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WR Rashod Bateman, BAL (1 Viewer)
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Irrespective of diagnosis, am optimistic he will play well enough from October on this year and make GMs happy. The upside for dynasty GMs? Obtain a quality talent at a depressed price.
Sports Hernia or Groin can not be ruled out here.
Get well Kid!
Sports Hernia or Groin can not be ruled out here.
Get well Kid!
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Quick Update:
The Athletic reports Ravens first-round WR Rashod Bateman had been dealing with groin and abdominal soreness before departing Tuesday's practice.
https://theathletic.com/news/ravens-rashod-bateman-leaves-practice-injured/shbajOgTI5Tv
The Athletic reports Ravens first-round WR Rashod Bateman had been dealing with groin and abdominal soreness before departing Tuesday's practice.
https://theathletic.com/news/ravens-rashod-bateman-leaves-practice-injured/shbajOgTI5Tv
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is the weirdest description for what I just saw on video. I don’t know why he’s grabbing the back of his leg if it’s his groin or his abdomen.
weird. Maybe I’m way off.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He grabbed the back of his leg, where the hamstring is located.
as someone who just recently had groin surgery, I can tell you that’s not where the groin is.
Time will tell. I’m not invested either way - it just seems off to me.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
He grabs his balls for most of it. I interpreted it as him holding his leg to stabilize it with respect to the groin while he was moving it around. After his hand leaves his leg it goes straight to his crotch where it remains. I have held my leg like that because of groin pulls when I didn't think my leg would move safely on it's own. Also it was much higher up the leg (I thought) than where you would grab for a hammy, which would be just barely above the back of the knee. I don't know either but I definitely disagree about it being a hamstring.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
He grabbed very high on the back of the leg. It definitely didn't look good and you could be right. I do know where the groin muscles are.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Lower abdomen near the thigh. Like, bottom of the stomach, near the ####.
ETA: I guess I’ll say balls then; if the medical term is blocked.
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BobbyLayne
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Lower abdomen near the thigh. Like, bottom of the stomach, near the ####.
ETA: I guess I’ll say balls then; if the medical term is blocked.
how does this differ from sports hernia or core muscle strain? Is that more the abdominal region?
anyone?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
What I specifically had surgery for was a hernia. You can strain your groin without a hernia. The hernia is basically a sufficient enough tear that either abdominal wall fat, or intestinal tract can poke through the hole.
if it’s simply a groin strain, you would feel the soreness from your balls about halfway down the inside of your leg. This will (usually) heal on its own, whereas a hernia requires surgery.
ETA: I should say “often”, because some groin strains can be significant enough to require surgery even without a hernia.
and yes, and abdominal strain basically the same as a core muscle strain. Tons of baseball players are going down with this after a short season last year.
Groin strains can be tricky. I was a Jr HS soccer player. I had a groin strain that lingered for 3 months. After trying to come back 3x thinking it was 100%, I eventually just missed the season. Now I wasn't a highly conditioned pro athlete, but groin injuries are kind of notorious for lingering.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
FWIW, Rotoworld is calling it a leg injury.
“RASHOD BATEMANWR, BALTIMORE RAVENS
Ravens WR Rashod Bateman suffered an apparent leg injury during Tuesday's practice.
The Athletic's Jeff Zrebiec said Bateman "pulled up while running a slant ... and then fell immediately to ground." Bateman reportedly walked to the team facility "with pronounced limp," and Ravens general manager Eric DeCosta followed Bateman into the building. It's deeply concerning news for the Ravens, who beefed up their wide receiver room this offseason with Bateman -- a first round pick -- and Tylan Wallace, a fifth rounder. Marquise Brown missed a chunk of training camp with a hamstring injury; he was cleared for conditioning drills on Monday. An extra ended absence for Bateman could be a massive setback for the rookie, giving Wallace a shot at first-team reps.”
“RASHOD BATEMANWR, BALTIMORE RAVENS
Ravens WR Rashod Bateman suffered an apparent leg injury during Tuesday's practice.
The Athletic's Jeff Zrebiec said Bateman "pulled up while running a slant ... and then fell immediately to ground." Bateman reportedly walked to the team facility "with pronounced limp," and Ravens general manager Eric DeCosta followed Bateman into the building. It's deeply concerning news for the Ravens, who beefed up their wide receiver room this offseason with Bateman -- a first round pick -- and Tylan Wallace, a fifth rounder. Marquise Brown missed a chunk of training camp with a hamstring injury; he was cleared for conditioning drills on Monday. An extra ended absence for Bateman could be a massive setback for the rookie, giving Wallace a shot at first-team reps.”
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JoeSteeler
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JeneBramel/status/1425156178229739522
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If imaging and further reports confirm a core muscle injury, rehab is difficult and surgery may be likely. 4-8 week recovery & players often need time to work back into shape after physical recovery. Hopefully, that's not the case. But don't expect to see Bateman back soon.
He missed a few practices with an "abdominal" injury / muscle tightness last week. Shortly after cleared to return, he suffered a groin injury that's causing concern. That's suspicious for core muscle injury and longer rehab.
@JeneBramel
If imaging and further reports confirm a core muscle injury, rehab is difficult and surgery may be likely. 4-8 week recovery & players often need time to work back into shape after physical recovery. Hopefully, that's not the case. But don't expect to see Bateman back soon.
He missed a few practices with an "abdominal" injury / muscle tightness last week. Shortly after cleared to return, he suffered a groin injury that's causing concern. That's suspicious for core muscle injury and longer rehab.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It almost sounds like he had those other two issues going on; and then suffered this new thing.
What a bummer.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I hate it so much when a rookie starts with an injury in camp. I know it's likely nothing, but I just think most people are better wired to succeed when things break their way early on as opposed to immediately having to face some adversity. Hopefully this is minor because he could be really good this season.
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Ilov80s
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Yeah, I have no statistics to point out the odds or anything and I agree that every time a rookie WR gets hurt, I think to myself about OBJ. But I just feel like that was an outlier outcome.
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Ilov80s
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Yes and many athletes are wired a little differently because of how much praise they have received and how much confidence that as built in them. However, players still are human beings and rookies are both young and taking a major step up.I think this is a great analogy. When we get something new, we get extremely anxious when there are issues with an item fresh out of the box.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hopefully the Ravens paid for the extended warrantee.I think this is a great analogy. When we get something new, we get extremely anxious when there are issues with an item fresh out of the box.
Leroy Hoard
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barackdhouse
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well there ya go.
IMO that's a little worse than hamstring. Hammys can be somewhat predictable. MRI determines grade/severity, there's a known time-table for recovery.
From my experience & understanding, groin strains/tears are difficult to predict, can be slow to recover, and are a funny injury in that it feels recovered before it actually is.
I won't speculate on a time-table, but I doubt it'll be soon.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Not all groin strains are of the same severity, but this sounds vaguely similar to what happened to CB Jeff Okudah. He actually first got hurt at the end of his last year at tOSU. Reinjured in the fall but pushed through it. #3 pick of last year’s draft had one of the worst PFF grades. Had surgery immediately after the season and is looking great in TC.
This mat have no relevance to Bateman at all. Just saying these groin injuries, abdominal strains, & core muscle issues are all very difficult to predict recovery time or when the athlete is actually, fully healed.
Huge bummer. Bateman looked great in OTAs and early TC reports had him tracking toward a significant role right away.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah - it's a wide range of outcomes depending on severity, which is why I didn't speculate on return. It could be anything from rest to surgery.
But consider this - Curtis Samuel hasn't practiced or worked out once this year due to what was called a "minor" groin "issue" by the coach. IIRC he's been dealing with it since OTAs.
He went on the COVID list, then came off, and the groin is still bothering him. He's still not practicing & they have no timetable for his return.
And this one looks/sounds much worse than that. If it's a core muscle in conjunction with a groin issue, man - it could be a while before he's right again. Agree it's a huge bummer. This is a critical time for a rookie receiver to gel with the offense.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Seems possible he's back by Week 1 now.
BobbyLayne
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Dr. Octopus
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Nothing personal. Possible, for sure, but it if it's a grade 2 groin strain, that's a significant injury, usually 6-8 weeks.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I didn't take it personal. I just reported the "news". No one knows the extent yet.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No worries - it's been reported as a grade 2 strain.
Then again, it was also reported as a "leg injury" so who the hell knows what's accurate. I imagine an MRI is in the cards, and we will have a more realistic timeline after that.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It hasn't been reported as that. Some PFF guy said he "believes the injury could be a Grade 2 groin injury". We don't know yet.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I mean, that's reporting. If I looked outside and then posted "feels like 80 degrees", I reported it.
As I said in my post, I expect an MRI will happen, then we'll know for sure.
Weird semantical debate here. reporting is reporting. It was absolutely "reported" as a grade 2 strain. It has not yet been confirmed as such.
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Even if they didn't I am sure they will get a call soon about their warranty expiring and seeing if they want to extend it.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
yeah I agree. groins are not an easy thing to work around. they need time to heal and you never really feel right until you do. and even then it may not be.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This last part is the major concern. They can be nagging, and they can feel good enough to run back out there just long enough to tweak it again & limp back off.
I'd also like to know what's up with the core muscle, and if that gets validated.
The problem with any muscle pull is that you can feel good when you are just freely running around. Unfortunately when you have guys flying at you and you must turn something on to cut or accelerate it puts a different stress on the muscle and there it goes again. The unplanned reactive twitch is the beeyotch.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I'm not enthused one bit. He had issues already apparently and then did whatever he did the other day. I thought there was at least a chance he might be usable in redraft but I'm very skeptical he gets back soon and whether he will be effective. He was already a bit of a reach anyway with that offense. But I was hoping he would really open things up for Andrews and Lamar. My biggest question with them is whether they really mix up their playcalling this year. The biggest reason for their slump last year, IMO, was the playcalling and RB rotation. I think they learned their lessons on the playcalling and I think Dobbins will simply command a larger share than what last year's rotation would have allowed. If they can do that then they can overcome an injury like this and still be stronger than most expect in the passing game. But I have no choice to bump all these guys down a notch, except Dobbins who I now think should be bumped up just a tad. I don't expect Watkins or Brown to install any fear whatsoever in defenses the way Bateman might. So I expect more keys on Andrews. The proper counter response IMO is to feature Dobbins more. Hoping for the best on Bateman but not really expecting it. Maybe Tylan Wallace will blow the doors off. Ha.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
When they signed Watkins, I felt like it was a sharp move for the short-to-intermediate stuff, while Hollywood stretched the field. And that it would take some coverage off of MB at the same time.
With Bateman in the mix, it could have really opened things up for Baltimore's passing game. Without Bateman it feels like they have 2 short-to-intermediate guys in Andrews & Watkins, and then MB. They still need that x-factor WR to keep defenses honest.
Agree about bumping Dobbins. Also agree it's hard to know if the playcalling will ultimately cap all Baltimore's receivers upside.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/AKinkhabwala/status/1425475824703127562?s=20
excerpt from tweet (NFL Network reporter FWIW)
**coach said the rookie WR has a soft tissue issue and that it’s “going to be weeks” before his return. When pressed about Week One, Harbaugh said he’s “still hopeful.”**
excerpt from tweet (NFL Network reporter FWIW)
**coach said the rookie WR has a soft tissue issue and that it’s “going to be weeks” before his return. When pressed about Week One, Harbaugh said he’s “still hopeful.”**
rockaction
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
https://vault.si.com/vault/1993/05/24/everybody-knows-his-name-cheers-for-sam-malone-the-ex-bosox-reliever-who-served-em-up-both-on-and-off-the-field
Apparently that man went 16-30 in 207 G (1 GS) with a 4.01 ERA in 312 2/3 IP with 109 BB and 40 SO.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I haven't been able to read about a groin injury without hearing that ever since that episode aired.
"Gr-gr-groooiiiinnnn in-jur-y"
