JohnnyU
Footballguy
Perhaps more than 1 target? I agree in general about rookie WRs and no one preaches this more than me, but looking forward I simply don't like Jackson as a throwing QB and he favors Andrews and Brown, especially Andrews.
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WR Rashod Bateman, BAL (1 Viewer)
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Blick
Footballguy
Jackson is what he is, an average at best passer. He's not going to support three pass catchers.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
From day 1 when he came into the league I was saying he couldn't hit the ocean if it was 2 feet from him, but that changed after hiS MVP season. He got better as a passer and of course ran all over the league. But he still isn't a great passer no matter how you slice it. In my mind he is a better fantasy player than real football player. Kind of a super charged Jalen Hurts.
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Blick
Footballguy
I sorted the data incorrectly. His QBR is actually quite good. Very low volume though.
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Yeah, I feel largely the same. I targeted him in dynasties because he was usually the best player available at my pick. I think guys like Jefferson and Chase have skewed our expectations for rookie WRs, and if a guy hasn't broken out by now, people get antsy. I've seen some good stuff out of Bateman, and I'm still optimistic. The Ravens offense is using scrap-heap RBs, and Bateman missed a good deal of time early in the year.
Dizzy
Footballguy
This offense is not going to support 3 pass catchers (very few would).
Ravens are super run heavy... Andrews is #1 target, Marquise Brown is #2... and then it's Bateman vs Watkins for the scraps.
BAL wins (or is leading) the majority of their games with a run-heavy scheme which means pass attempts are minimized and the game is shortened. Even if Jackson is a great passer... what does that leave for the Bateman/Watkins/other guy on a weekly average basis?
Bateman may be the greatest WR since sliced bread, but completely over-hyped in his situation... especially for 2021 with all else going on.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
There is no precedence for that. Andrews is Jackson's #1 target and I don't see that changing in 2022 and Brown is his buddy and #2. I love Bateman, but let's face the facts here. Jackson is a sh***y throwing QB who is in love with Andrews and Brown. How is that going to chaNGE?
Dizzy
Footballguy
You mean, Bateman will become the #1 receiving option on a team that wants to run the ball predominantly after they get their RBs back in 2022? OK.
I don't believe Bateman will ever be much of anything on the Ravens. Mark Andrews seems to be in no hurry to surrender that target share and Hollywood Brown isn't going anywhere either.
Bateman's fantasy outlook for 2022 at this point is that he probably replaces Sammy Watkins and picks up all his production in addition to his own. What's that good for... WR 35-40?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
hold the breaks here. Yes, I made the statement about Jackson being a sh***y throwing QB who is in love with Andrews and Brown, but let's not forget a lot of things can change in one year in fantasy football. Having said that, unless Bateman replaces Brown as the go to guy as a WR, then it doesn't bode well for Bateman. If he does, then he can compete with Andrews as a top target in this wannabee run offense. If the latter is true, then there is hope for Bateman. If not, then not so much.
Dizzy
Footballguy
My guess is that he'll be the next BAL-drafted WR that pops up on another team after his rookie contract is up and we've all forgotten about him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The one week I needed him at flex he was targeted once for a goose egg.
fortunately I won by 5.5
(whew)
fortunately I won by 5.5
(whew)
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
He switched agents a few days ago.
http://sportsagentblog.com/2021/12/06/on-to-the-next-one-rashod-bateman/
I guess that rumors of him not being happy and deleting Raven material from his social media popped up but a quick check proved that false so I'm assuming that was just the Internet on spin cycle.
http://sportsagentblog.com/2021/12/06/on-to-the-next-one-rashod-bateman/
I guess that rumors of him not being happy and deleting Raven material from his social media popped up but a quick check proved that false so I'm assuming that was just the Internet on spin cycle.
yeah those were impressive
not sure he'll be fantasy reliable but potentially next season
I think he takes a step forward this season. I think 2023’ will be his big breakout, though.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yep Bateman is now their top WR and will see a lot of those 145 targets that Brown leaves behind.
massraider
Footballguy
Let me tell you about the dynasty roster that has Bateman and Hollywood on it.
I think he’s good too. I was a big fan of his coming out last year, he was my WR2 pre-draft. Got behind the 8-ball with his early injury and missed a lot of key time during the summer and training camp and then missed (I believe) the first 5 games of the season. I projected above when I still thought Hollywood would be on the roster this year that I’d take a step this season but I thought his true breakout would be 2023. I think it can happen this year, now. I don’t think 1100/8 is out of the question.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Must draft next year at his adp
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
He already had better catch rate and yards per target than Brown did last season.
So if the volume does end up being similar that could mean better production.
I am seeing Clay has him getting 116 targets which is a 23% share of projected attempts. Still not as many as Andrews but close and he does have Jackson increasing his pass attempts by a significant margin to 498 in 16 games.
Jackson averaged 31.8 PA last season over 12 games which would be 541 over 17 games, so there is a little upside there.
That is still unprecedented for Jackson so far in his career however and with improved defense/running game maybe overly optimistic.
Jackson has averaged 28 PA per game over the last 3 seasons, so that would be 476 over 17 games. If I used that number for the PA then 23% would be 110 targets 73 receptions 833 yards based on Batemans catch rate and YPT last season.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Didn't Batemans best game come when the backup was playing QB?
I remember a couple of terrific over the shoulder sideline catches.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
He's also going to be facing bracketed coverage and top DBs every week.
He was set for more targets but losing that deep threat Brown provided isn't good.
No stats to back this but the eye test says Ravens wrs are tough to bracket because of the attention Lamar draws running the ball and the attention Andrews gets over the middle. Hollywood seemed to get open deep a ton. I’d assume a lot of zone is played to keep eyes on Lamar as a runner as well meaning it’s harder for a top corner to travel with a wr.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
In addition to that, Devin Duvernay isn't the player that Brown is but he is a burner who I'm excited to see in a larger role. He is probably capable of stretching the field and keeping defenses honest.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
They are looking at WRs.
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Ravens reportedly doing 'due diligence' on WR options
Of course they are. I don’t think anyone is foolish enough to believe they’re rolling into the season with that depth chart at WR. But I’m not sure there’s any FA WR that should prevent Bateman from still being the number 1 option.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Harmon likes him.
Matt has made successful calls on breakout WRs in the past.
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Matt Harmon@MattHarmon_BYB
The most obvious breakout WR of 2022. All the potential to be a true No. 1 WR. A #ReceptionPerception profile that reminds me of Keenan Allen or Justin Jefferson. An archetype of WR the Ravens haven't had in years. All the hype for Rashod Bateman.
Matt has made successful calls on breakout WRs in the past.
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Matt Harmon@MattHarmon_BYB
The most obvious breakout WR of 2022. All the potential to be a true No. 1 WR. A #ReceptionPerception profile that reminds me of Keenan Allen or Justin Jefferson. An archetype of WR the Ravens haven't had in years. All the hype for Rashod Bateman.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Getting excited about any receiver tied to Lamar is tough. I think this team goes increasingly towards running the ball and makes it hard to root for a pass catcher outside of Andrews.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Even before the entire secondary got hurt last year, there was a deliberate and public philosophy shift that the Ravens wanted to throw the ball more. Will they be top 10 in attempts like last year? Probably not, but I would say they are more toward the middle than bottom 5. I don't think Bateman will get the volume to be a consistent WR1 but he has the upside of a high-end WR2, which is still valuable in fantasy.
Even if the Ravens wanted to run the ball 50 times a game. Have you seen the rest of the AFC? They are going to need to pass to keep up.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
While they may have intentionally passed more than previous seasons it also was because their top 2 RB were injured that forced them to do that.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
My point was that even before the injuries to their RBs and secondary, this team wanted to pass more. There is a narrative that the ONLY reason they passed more was because of injuries, and without injuries they will return to '19/20 passing volume levels. I'm arguing that's not true and we should see a more balanced offense this year even with healthy RBs and corners.
I could certainly be wrong, but I think people are overcorrecting when projecting the passing attempts going down.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I also don't believe the Ravens will pass as much in 2022. 2021 was an outlier. Unless you are the unquestioned number one option on a team that isn't one of the better passing offenses, there will be risk. Mark Andrews is the #1 option in that passing offense. Also, Bateman won't play the same role as Hollywood Brown, Duvernay will. Bateman will play the same role as last year, but just more of it (hopefully). A good comparison of target share will be Devonta Smith. Both are on teams we don't view as a great passing offenses, both have an unquestioned #1 option, and both teams have good TEs.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Pass unless best ball 
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Current Underdog ADP is 5.10.
Godwin-Gabe Davis-JuJu-Bateman-Cooks-Mooney-- all going in the same range.
tough choices...
Godwin-Gabe Davis-JuJu-Bateman-Cooks-Mooney-- all going in the same range.
tough choices...
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
But in Baltimore those are both the same player - so while Smith would be battling for targets against AJ Brown and Goedert, Batemen is only dealing with Andrews.
I get this is likely not a high volume passing attack - but it's not like they'll not pass at all. Bateman should see the most targets outside of Andrews and it's not outlandish to think he'll lead the team in targets if the offense opens up a bit.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I love me some Bateman. I think he has great talent, but I'll temper my expectations with that passing offense. Also, don't be surprised if Duvernay steals some of Bateman's thunder.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't believe anyone thinks only Andrews and Batemen will see targets - of course Duverny will see some targets, likely on deeper routes.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm missing your point I guess.
Did they target Brown because he was running the deep routes or was he their best WR available? I fully understand that Duvernay will see targets, and sure there may be less overall targets here, but every team in the league throws the ball to other recievers than their top guy.
Duvernay has 106 receptions for 978 yards in three seasons - we're not talking about Tyreek Hill joining the team here.
