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Breaking it down glass half empty verse glass half full helps me understand the response more. Bringing in other competition for targets could be just bolstering a weak WR group or they aren't sure what to expect from Bateman and need someone else there besides Andrews. I would be a buyer of Bateman for a 2024 2nd. I don't think the owners would sell for that though which is where I think some owners are valuing him to highly.
Yes, because he's a talent, he was a priority signing and he's actually in camp learning the system and developing rapport with Jackson. Even if we want to say Bateman is the better talent at this point, OBJ at the very least presents another mouth to be fed.
Yeah it’s absolutely a your-mileage-may-vary situation when considering how to value Bateman at this point. Kamara is near the end of his run going into his age 28 season but he has been consistent with racking up all-purpose yards and will give you a solid RB2 with a RB1 ceiling once he’s back in Week 4. He can help you right away. Trading him for a draft pick is like trading one mystery box for another because we still don’t have a large enough sample size to know what Bateman is yet. Go with your instincts I always say. Mine tell me I’ll regret it if I sell him now, though if someone is willing to pay ceiling price for him then I’d reconsider. I just don’t want to move him for pennies on the dollar. OBJ and Flowers could take from his target share, or they can open things up so Bateman can’t be double covered. Cream rises to the top and I’m a firm believer that Bateman is the most talented receiver they have. He just needs to stay off the trainer’s table.
From the perspective of 2023 and target distribution people shouldn't forget Isaiah Likely either. Apparently he's having a very strong camp.
My post was more along the line of dismissing Bateman as a long term asset because of the presence of a short term acquisition. OBJ will get his, they didn’t spend $15 million on him for nothing. But I’m not writing off Bateman as the long term WR1 for this team because of OBJ. And as I mentioned, he’s not exactly the poster boy for health either. Agholor is a JAG but he was brought in as well as because depth is needed and they don’t want a repeat of last year.
Agreed. Flowers is the guy we should be concerned with in that regard.
No reason they can’t coexist. Both are two differently built receivers (one a traditional X, the other a modern undersized do it all receiver). Both are highly talented and skilled at getting open. It’s anyone’s guess who gets the larger piece, or if it’ll even matter as long as Andrews remains. My money’s on Bateman and sounds like your’s is on Flowers. I can respect that.
Honestly I don't think we know this about either of them ATM.
I think I've seen enough from Bateman to know that he "belongs" and will not just flame out, health withstanding. I also think both Bateman and Flowers can co-exist since they win in different ways. I'm afraid there may be a reason (Lamar) that Bal used such a run heavy script though.
OBJ left practice yesterday after attempting a diving catch.
Flowers isn’t built for the same role Bateman is though.
I think it’s important to make a distinction between dynasty and redraft for some of these comments.
There’s a lot of college film on Bateman though that shows the quality of his game. Great route runner, speed, big physical receiver with good hands.
Sure - my league has deep rosters and it's not like you can really trade him for value. If he suffers through another injury plagued season though his value will be null and at some point you either drop him or let him clog your roster.
That's another thing - he's not as big as he was listed in college. He's only 6'1" and 200 pounds. That's pretty average.
Compared to Flowers though?
Is that the standard? Sure, Flower is small (but he plays strong).
Likely/Andrews are tight ends.
College was 100 years ago in NFL terms.
You think I didn't know that
Sorry, I have a knack for stating the glaringly obvious.You think I didn't know that
The hype on Flowers is out of control for sure but, ATM it seems like he is built to catch a lot of passes.
I can't agree more. There's a lot of panic and overreaction in this thread. I'll take a spin on the Bateman train for a late 2nd or the equivalent value.
Don't really disagree with any of that.
He also isn't getting lit TF up by a safety across the middle ATM. I'm eager to see how he holds up in the NFL
Is it? Flowers is going at the backend of the 1st in all my rookie superflex drafts. Hype is if he jumps JSN, Addison, and Johnston.
According to PFR Bateman has Beckham Jr by 3" and 12 lbs.
No doubt. I think we all are.
Redraft or dynasty? In redraft I may take Flowers over any of those guys.
PFF has him at 6’2, 210
Oh my goodness not only is he injury prone, he's shrinking!!!
Ravens gave him 6’, 200 which looks about right.
So you're telling me Bryce Young Syndrome is a communicable disease ... Great, how many games will have to be rescheduled this year due to BYS-23 protocols? Get the jab! Stop the Shrink!
I’m not feeling peachy about him, as stated, but I wouldn’t sell for a late second now. At this point I’d rather see if he’s healthy and productive after a few weeks.
That’s the prudent move.
You are the official conductor of the Flowers train. I'm on board!
Careful, he drove the Josh Gordon train to the end of the line.
I respect the conviction!Careful, he drove the Josh Gordon train to the end of the line.
