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WR Sammy Watkins, BAL (1 Viewer)

He gets nicked up a lot and he's not the type of receiver you can throw it up to and he can go get it. So he's much more dependent on good QB play. He will never be that great in this offense with the type of QB play he's getting but if you put Evans in this offense he's still a WR1 because he can bail out his QB.

He just got smashed by Revis but that's not all that terrible. Revis does that to a lot of great WR. He was open a little but again he needs the QB to deliver the ball on time. Perfect example was when they threw it up to him in the endzone and Revis subtly muscled him out of bounds. He's not that great of a jumper so he has no shot at 50/50 balls like that.

If I owned him in dynasty I would put up a message stating first future 1st round pick gets him and trade him right now.

 
matuski said:
VaTerp said:
Watkins was coming off an injury, playing with a QB who was also injured, and he was shadowed by THE premiere CB of the last decade.

He created a lot of separation on several occasions and simply didnt capitalize on those opportunities. But I liked what he saw. As stated up thread, he just needs to stay healthy and get more game reps. His situation is not ideal for FF production but the talent is undeniable.

People saying he sucks and comparing him to Decker are clueless.
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Decker doesn't suck in the least.

Certainly a more apt comparison (while still generous imo.. he hasn't produced on Decker's level yet) than Andre Johnson and Antonio Brown.
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To say "he has some improving to do to get on Decker's level" is laughable. He is definitely as good as Decker. It's nice to play opposite Demaryius Thomas and Brandon Marshall (and not for the Bills with Manuel and Tyrod).

Awful comparison all the way around. Decker can't move like that. The only thing in common is that they both drop balls.

 
Milkman said:
He gets nicked up a lot and he's not the type of receiver you can throw it up to and he can go get it. So he's much more dependent on good QB play. He will never be that great in this offense with the type of QB play he's getting but if you put Evans in this offense he's still a WR1 because he can bail out his QB.

He just got smashed by Revis but that's not all that terrible. Revis does that to a lot of great WR. He was open a little but again he needs the QB to deliver the ball on time. Perfect example was when they threw it up to him in the endzone and Revis subtly muscled him out of bounds. He's not that great of a jumper so he has no shot at 50/50 balls like that.

If I owned him in dynasty I would put up a message stating first future 1st round pick gets him and trade him right now.
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Huh? Evans isn't a WR1 now, in a better offense with a better QB, and you're saying he'd be a WR1 in Buffalo? He's dropping way too many passes right now, and is inconsistent play to play. Currently WR35 in PPR due to inconsistency week to week (has had 0, 6, 7, 8, 17, 22, 30 fantasy points this season).

 
Traded him before last night's game for Lynch. While Lynch has not been lighting it up yet, I feel I got a deal cashing in on Sammy's big game last week (on my bench BTW).

 
kOOk said:
matuski said:
VaTerp said:
Watkins was coming off an injury, playing with a QB who was also injured, and he was shadowed by THE premiere CB of the last decade.

He created a lot of separation on several occasions and simply didnt capitalize on those opportunities. But I liked what he saw. As stated up thread, he just needs to stay healthy and get more game reps. His situation is not ideal for FF production but the talent is undeniable.

People saying he sucks and comparing him to Decker are clueless.
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Decker doesn't suck in the least.

Certainly a more apt comparison (while still generous imo.. he hasn't produced on Decker's level yet) than Andre Johnson and Antonio Brown.
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To say "he has some improving to do to get on Decker's level" is laughable. He is definitely as good as Decker. It's nice to play opposite Demaryius Thomas and Brandon Marshall (and not for the Bills with Manuel and Tyrod).

Awful comparison all the way around. Decker can't move like that. The only thing in common is that they both drop balls.
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The comparison was clearly laid out as based on production, not physical attributes.

Definitely as good as Decker? Because he got drafted higher? Decker is on his way to his 3rd 1000+ yard, double digit TD season. He will do it this year with Fitzgerald as his QB.

When Watkins produces, these arguments about how awesome he is can be had. Physically gifted athletes that never live up to their potential are a dime a dozen.

As it stands, Watkins is fighting to stay in the conversation for top 8 WRs in his own draft class... sliding in somewhere just behind Allen Hurns.

 
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LususV said:
Milkman said:
He gets nicked up a lot and he's not the type of receiver you can throw it up to and he can go get it. So he's much more dependent on good QB play. He will never be that great in this offense with the type of QB play he's getting but if you put Evans in this offense he's still a WR1 because he can bail out his QB.

He just got smashed by Revis but that's not all that terrible. Revis does that to a lot of great WR. He was open a little but again he needs the QB to deliver the ball on time. Perfect example was when they threw it up to him in the endzone and Revis subtly muscled him out of bounds. He's not that great of a jumper so he has no shot at 50/50 balls like that.

If I owned him in dynasty I would put up a message stating first future 1st round pick gets him and trade him right now.
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Huh? Evans isn't a WR1 now, in a better offense with a better QB, and you're saying he'd be a WR1 in Buffalo? He's dropping way too many passes right now, and is inconsistent play to play. Currently WR35 in PPR due to inconsistency week to week (has had 0, 6, 7, 8, 17, 22, 30 fantasy points this season).
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Last 4 weeks Evans is WR12 on a per game average in my league and he's going to be heavily targeted the rest of the year. Winston sucks but Evans makes him better because he can just chuck and let Evans make a play on the ball.

In a dynasty start up Evans is a lock to be one of the top 12 WR drafted. I'd take him top 5 but I imagine that's not a popular opinion but yeah he's a WR1.

 
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The hate for Watkins by some people in this thread is ridiculous.

People claiming Decker's stats are superior in productivity at this stage are missing the point.

Laughing at how in the world could I ever compare him to some of the best WR's in the league again are looking at it through a narrow lens.

How about you take a closer look at what can happen with a player as talented as Watkins and what some of the other WR's being mentioned in this thread had done in their first few years.

Andre Johnson the player I compared him to had his first 3 seasons look like this: 976 yards, 1142 yards, and 688 yards. After 3 full seasons in the NFL Andre Johnson had a grand total of 12 td's Sammy Watkins already has 9 td's and had a better rookie year than Johnson with 982 yards.

Antonio Brown never had more than 5 tds or 69 catches in a year till his 4th year in the league.

Hall of fame player Marvin Harrison a first round pick with high expectations never had his first 1000 yard plus season till his 4th year in the league.

Saying Watkins won't be elite based on 22 games and 160 NFL targets need to show a little more patience and foresight.

Watkins is just 22 years of age and his talent is undeniable. People saying he won't be coming down with a ton of 50/50 jump balls is just dumb. He is not that type of a player but that does not mean he can't be elite. His speed, quickness, and route running can help him gain separation better than most WR's even now in the NFL and he is still learning the position. He had a good rookie year and most of it was with a qb who joined the team late and retired at the end of the year. This year he has been hurt and is playing with a running qb who is in his 5th year in the league and has made his first 6 starts as a pro.

People can laugh all they want, but way way too early to be writing off a player with as much upside as Watkins.

 
He needs a QB and more than 5.5 targets a game. There is no reason to believe in this offense he's going to get them either. They just hired this coach. He's going to be up and down next year as well.

 
Milkman said:
Last 4 weeks Evans is WR12 on a per game average in my league and he's going to be heavily targeted the rest of the year. Winston sucks but Evans makes him better because he can just chuck and let Evans make a play on the ball.

In a dynasty start up Evans is a lock to be one of the top 12 WR drafted. I'd take him top 5 but I imagine that's not a popular opinion but yeah he's a WR1.
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WTF are you talking about? Winston has been outstanding and Evans is hurting him far more than he is hurting Evans. Evans has the 2nd highest drops in the NFL and a 9.6% drop rate. TB as a team has the 5th highest drop rate.
 
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To continue the Decker narrative: Decker had 962 yards and 5 TDs with Geno Smith throwing the ball and Rex Ryan coaching him.

Just sayin'.

 
Chaka said:
To continue the Decker narrative: Decker had 962 yards and 5 TDs with Geno Smith throwing the ball and Rex Ryan coaching him.

Just sayin'.
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Yep, Decker is underrated. Watkins appears to be more talented, but if he can't stay healthy and on the field and produce, it doesn't really matter.

 
jurb26 said:
Milkman said:
Last 4 weeks Evans is WR12 on a per game average in my league and he's going to be heavily targeted the rest of the year. Winston sucks but Evans makes him better because he can just chuck and let Evans make a play on the ball.

In a dynasty start up Evans is a lock to be one of the top 12 WR drafted. I'd take him top 5 but I imagine that's not a popular opinion but yeah he's a WR1.
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WTF are you talking about? Winston has been outstanding and Evans is hurting him far more than he is hurting Evans. Evans has the 2nd highest drops in the NFL and a 9.6% drop rate. TB as a team has the 5th highest drop rate.
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Hmmm interesting. I see a QB that can't throw the ball very well but since he got Evans back his stats have improved. I guess if you think Winston is making Evans better.....well that's just your opinion man. Funny that Winston's three best games of the year coincide with Evans finally being healthy though.

 
Chaka said:
To continue the Decker narrative: Decker had 962 yards and 5 TDs with Geno Smith throwing the ball and Rex Ryan coaching him.

Just sayin'.
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I like Decker and think he is underrated, but Watkins has a ceiling that is higher. That is not taking anything away from Decker or anything he has done. if I did have to guess, I think Watkins will have a more decorated career than that of Decker.

 
As long as Watkins is in Buffalo, he will always be limited by the offense. 0 targets in nearly two quarters. Frustrating.

 
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As long as Watkins is in Buffalo, he will always be limited by the offense. 0 targets in nearly two quarters. Frustrating.
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Targets? Hell, they've only looked at his side of the field once in the first half. As soon as Taylor drops back to pass, his eyes immediately go to the opposite side of the field. It's baffling.

 
I know the offense is working against him but he was never a transcendent talent. He needs an accurate QB like all the other good not great WR in the league.

 
NREC34 said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Milkman said:
I know the offense is working against him but he was never a transcendent talent. He needs an accurate QB like all the other good not great WR in the league.
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Stop. He gets open nearly at will, that's all it takes. He gets no targets.
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Seems really well blanketed on the targets downfield I'm seeing him getting.
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Look again and in the NFL he has a step if not a couple on those throws. At least give him a shot to make a play. Still entering the 4th q you have thrown 2 times at a player as good as Watkins. Nightmare.

 
NREC34 said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Milkman said:
I know the offense is working against him but he was never a transcendent talent. He needs an accurate QB like all the other good not great WR in the league.
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Stop. He gets open nearly at will, that's all it takes. He gets no targets.
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Seems really well blanketed on the targets downfield I'm seeing him getting.
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If anyone on that team could throw a deep ball, he'd pull away to get the separation when the balls in the air, that's what the best guys do when their QB can lead them. He's open constantly.

 
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There was no separation on that play and the refs called a PI on the wrong guy.
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I honestly think you have no concept of what separation is in the NFL. NFL WR's get separation while the ball is in the air most of the time...you know, unless it's a bad throw, and they hate to wait for the ball and it ends up being contested. But it's rare that a guy blows completely open and THEN the ball is thrown...a decent QB leads his WR open and that's when the WR turns it up and separates.

 
Milkman said:
And no I'm not trolling. I mean it never gets called but it certainly wasn't defensive PI.
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I dont know what is funnier. That you didnt think that was PI or that you said you werent trolling. Good stuff there. Why else are you here in a thread about a player you hate?

 
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There was no separation on that play and the refs called a PI on the wrong guy.
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I honestly think you have no concept of what separation is in the NFL. NFL WR's get separation while the ball is in the air most of the time...you know, unless it's a bad throw, and they hate to wait for the ball and it ends up being contested. But it's rare that a guy blows completely open and THEN the ball is thrown...a decent QB leads his WR open and that's when the WR turns it up and separates.
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This is spoken like someone who watches football and understands the game.

 
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Aaaaaaaand he's hurt again. What a complete bust.
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He missed one play.

The more frustrating part are the 3 targets he is sitting at. 2 badly under thrown balls, and then he had to make a spectacular 1 handed catch for his lone catch and 15 yards he is currently sitting at.

That is some infuriating game plan right there.

 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
fred_1_15301 said:
Aaaaaaaand he's hurt again. What a complete bust.
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He missed one play.The more frustrating part are the 3 targets he is sitting at. 2 badly under thrown balls, and then he had to make a spectacular 1 handed catch for his lone catch and 15 yards he is currently sitting at.

That is some infuriating game plan right there.
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Yeah the bust comment was strictly referring to his "fantasy" output this year. He has given us fantasy owners a few teases here and there but mostly just disappointment.

 
He was praised coming out of college as a transcendent talent. A WR that excelled at making catches in traffic with elite speed. One of the reasons he's not going to go up and get it is pretty simple really. He is not that great of a jumper and he's not that big. I still see a WR with elite acceleration (not elite speed) who gets out of his breaks well but he does very little to make things easier for his QB.

I put the odds of him ever living up to expectations, which at the time that he was drafted was perennial top 5 WR, at whatever the odds are the Bills get an elite QB. He could still be a solid WR2 with a league average QB and a different offensive scheme. Are the Bills firing this coaching staff after this year? Are the Bills favorites to have a better QB next year? Probably not right? So next year is likely to be much of the same.

The situation Watkins is in now with the QB he's playing with he's going to lose you as many games as he's going to win you.

Cheers!

 
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I just don't understand the routes they were having him run. Seemed like he was going long every play. How about get him the ball underneath every once in a while and try to get him in space?

 
Shrugs said:
I just don't understand the routes they were having him run. Seemed like he was going long every play. How about get him the ball underneath every once in a while and try to get him in space?
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He ran plenty of underneath and intermediate routes.

 
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