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WR Sammy Watkins, BAL (2 Viewers)
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ShamrockPride
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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Perfect! Don't like production on my bench but was prepared for it in the interest of Watkins getting his legs back under him for the stretch.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
3 for 80 final stat line in his return, including a demonstration of his deep threat ability on a 50 yarder down the sideline. I am satisfied.
JoeSteeler
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BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Chaka
Footballguy
Not sure why. It is very common for teams to give some players an extra day off from practice.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
DNP, foot is sore. Wow, I would feel psychic if this wasn't so predictable. I wonder if he'll play again this season.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not for a guy who's practiced twice in 11 weeks. This dude needs the reps to get up to game speed and conditioning. His coaches and he have been saying this. He's not the "vet who's been working hard for 12 weeks on the field and needs a day off" - there's absolutely nothing good nor typical about Watkins missing practice today.
As such, I also find your comment amusing.
Hot Sauce Guy
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massraider
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He's been resting for a while, and sid he felt as good as he had in a long time. Gets pulled from practice with soreness. I'm not thinking that's a good thing.
Braktastic
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Don't be obtuse, Chaka. There's no way to spin today's news as good given Watkins injury history this season. The only way I'd have him in my lineups this week is if he returned to practice tomorrow and made it through the remainder of the week without setbacks.
In my mind, there's something much larger at play going on. Watkins already came back to practice with the caveat "I'm not going to go out there unhealthy". I think he knows he's not 100% and isn't going to be this season maybe ever.
Chaka
Footballguy
It could be a bad thing that he is missing practice if the report is true that this was not a scheduled rest day and he was pulled from practice early with foot soreness.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am not spinning it as good or bad. Frankly I am shocked at this response. Does everyone panic every time a player misses a Wednesday practice?
Sammy came back and looked good. He made a game breaking play and showed the talent and connection with Tyrod Taylor that had so many people in the WW threads over the past few weeks saying that he should be rostered in all formats.
Missing a practice could be a bad thing, particularly if the reports about the why of it are true. But it could also be much ado about nothing.
Missing a Thursday practice would be far more concerning so IMO everyone needs to take a deep breath and wait a full 24 hours before hitting the shiny red button.
MattFancy
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I think it's because he was supposed to put in a limited practice, but was instead held out because his foot was sore.
Sammy Watkins (foot) was limited on Wednesday.
He's fine. The Bills are just easing him back into a normal workload. Watkins played 45 percent of the offensive snaps in his Week 12 return. Expect him to play over 75 percent of the plays this week against the Raiders. Nov 30 - 12:15 PM
Updating a previous item, Sammy Watkins did not practice Wednesday after feeling soreness in his foot.
Wonderful. Watkins was fully expected to be a limited participant in practice, but the Bills held him out entirely. Watkins played 45 percent of the snaps last week in his return from I.R. He was expected to see an increase in playing time in Week 13. That's difficult to see happening at this point. Nov 30 - 2:21 PM
Sammy Watkins (foot) was limited on Wednesday.
He's fine. The Bills are just easing him back into a normal workload. Watkins played 45 percent of the offensive snaps in his Week 12 return. Expect him to play over 75 percent of the plays this week against the Raiders. Nov 30 - 12:15 PM
Updating a previous item, Sammy Watkins did not practice Wednesday after feeling soreness in his foot.
Wonderful. Watkins was fully expected to be a limited participant in practice, but the Bills held him out entirely. Watkins played 45 percent of the snaps last week in his return from I.R. He was expected to see an increase in playing time in Week 13. That's difficult to see happening at this point. Nov 30 - 2:21 PM
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Hot Sauce Guy
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It didn't say that. It said he was expected to be limited in practice. Instead he was DNP - that's a significant downgrade.
Braktastic
Footballguy
I'm shocked you're shocked!
We're talking about Sammy Watkins foot and you're wondering why people are alarmed? This isn't a player getting a scheduled rest day. This isn't even a player with a run-of-the-mill injury getting a scheduled rest day. According to Rotoworld he wasn't scheduled to have a rest day: "Watkins was fully expected to be a limited participant in practice, but the Bills held him out entirely" "...after feeling soreness in his foot" A foot that's kept him out for 8 of 12 weeks this season!So, yeah, if I owned Watkins I'd be very worried and looking for other options.
Stompin' Tom Connors
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Wait, is that he is experiencing foot soreness or the team is giving him rest as a preventative measure? The former is actually worrisome news in terms of Sammy ramping back up and getting off a snap count. The latter, not so much.
Link?
Chaka
Footballguy
Twitter report said he was scheduled to be a limited participant but when practice started they decided to hold him out after he said the foot felt sore.
ETA: Please be sure to take your "Freak Out" factor to 11 when composing any responses in this thread.
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heckmanm
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Cowboysfan8
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Damnit
Grigs Allmoon
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I'm with you. I'm not going to get too worked up over "soreness". I'm sure it's expected to be sore. Now, if he doesn't practice the rest of the week... Then I might start to worry.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
How is that not someone's handle by now?Braktastic said:I'm shocked you're shocked!
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Oh, he'll play. I'm not concerned about that, but I am concerned that the removal of a snap count won't happen if he continues to be sore.Grigs Allmoon said:
I wish I had this confidence. If he doesn't practice tomorrow, my freak-out factor will be an 11, with concern that they just shut him down. If the report is true, that he was supposed to practice, and didn't due to foot soreness, there is no way to put a positive spin on this. He sat all these weeks just due to soreness, don't forget. There was no further damage to his foot, he was supposedly healed... just sore. Last week, the claim was that his foot was 100%, he just needed to re-condition. I would think any renewed soreness is horrible news.
Chaka
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I wish I was as confident as you that he will play. But I am less concerned about the snap count. He did a lot of damage on 25 snaps last week
Nice catch
This is why Watkins is so difficult to bench. Taylor throws a great deep ball, and Sammy makes it look like an even better throw than it was by slowing down just a tad to get right under the ball. If Taylor puts it two yards further downfield and Sammy probably has the TD there. I am not sure that there are many QB-WR tandems in the NFL that I would want to rely on more than these two to make connections like that.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Shhh, you're draining my half-full glass.
Actually, I totally agree. I just think MIA can't afford not to have him out there, even at <100% (which he clearly is).
This is a team that has won their last 6 putting them in a solid shot of a wildcard spot. They can't afford not to have him in unless he truly can't play.
That's what I'm sticking with, anyway.
Chaka
Footballguy
It can't really be viewed as anything other than concerning. The question is "to what degree?"
Maybe he was physically unable practice because of the soreness, which would obviously be of serious concern. Then again a coach may have said "Hey Sammy, how's the foot?" and he replied "A little sore, no big deal." and the team decided to give him the extra rest day that a lot of players get.
I don't think we should show any real concern about him until after tomorrow's practice report comes out.
Chaka
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
No. He's a bust because he was a high draft pick who has not contributed to fantasy success and made it more difficult for those who drafted him to make the playoffs.
However just because he is a bust through 12 weeks doesn't mean that he can't be a guy who carries teams to fantasy championships.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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Really? That seems strange to me -- that if you think he plays, he will get full complement of snaps that he did when he was 100%.
And bench him they did, last game when he was on a snap count and apparently not feeling sore and being 100%. Not sure that snap count can't be a factor now that he's experiencing soreness anew.
I get what you are saying about the opportunity Sammy has, but if he can do that damage on a snap count, why wouldn't they continue to be cautious if soreness continues to be an issue?
Dizzy
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Chaka
Footballguy
Not sure I am reading this correctly so forgive me if I talk past you a little bit. I certainly did not consider him to be 100% last week, if he was 100% he wouldn't have been on a snap count.
Either way I believe that if Sammy plays then you have to start him, even if he is only scheduled for 25 snaps (or whatever they decide). He is coming off a strong first game back, is the only legitimate receiving threat the Bills have coupled with a QB who throws a great deep ball, in a game that should involve lots of scoring. Seems like a great flex play, who has a reasonable chance to finish with better numbers than your WR1 &/or WR2.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
OK, good point, 100% isn't the best framing. Let's call it "Sammy Ready" -- he won't be truly 100%, but able to practice without additional soreness/complications. This was the bar he was at before last week's game. And in that game, they put him on a snap count.
Going into this game, he's less than Sammy Ready -- apparently experiencing more soreness, past the point of his normal soreness he has been experiencing to the point that he is sitting out of practice.
If the team put him on a snap count when he was Sammy Ready last week, why wouldn't they put him on a similar snap count when he is less than Sammy Ready this week?
All this to say, not sure I agree that if he plays, he won't be on a snap count again. If anything it might be as likely (if not moreso given the new level of soreness).
Regardless of how many snaps he has, agree that he can torch CBs on any given play, as he did last week. But he's less likely to do it on less snaps.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
the topic title needs to be changed to "Sammy Watkins is the new Lee Evans"
always teasing, always with the optimism that "he can burn any DB on any play!", always the caveat of "if he can just stay healthy he could be a top X WR"
been there, done that. Sammy Watkins= fool's gold.
Foot injuries + speedster WRs = fantasy hell.
Not saying he won't ever get healthy - maybe he will. Maybe even this season.
It won't be my headache.
always teasing, always with the optimism that "he can burn any DB on any play!", always the caveat of "if he can just stay healthy he could be a top X WR"
been there, done that. Sammy Watkins= fool's gold.
Foot injuries + speedster WRs = fantasy hell.
Not saying he won't ever get healthy - maybe he will. Maybe even this season.
It won't be my headache.
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Chaka
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I think we all need to wait until tomorrow's practice report comes out before we conclude that he is worse this week than he was going into last week.
And I think he will be on a snap count regardless of him being same/better/worse than last week but that doesn't concern me for reasons I have stated above.
