Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I'm not buying anything. I don't think he'll be what he was in his prime, but I can see a path where he could have some value in FF.
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WR Stefon Diggs, NE (5 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly. Target hog in an offense that should be playing from behind a lot.
If he’s healthy I’m in.
Blue Wave
Footballguy
Only cause you have to be. If you didn't own him you probably wouldn't say these things.
Blue Wave
Footballguy
Ya 36 isn't out of the question. Top 24 with upside for Top 12 WR seems just crazy:Chandler Bing Voice: Have you ever SEEN my predictions?
I'm horrible at them. And I haven't attempted any for 2025.
Just shooting from the hip here, but I don't think there's a big difference between WR40 (FBGs), WR44 (FPros), and Diggs ending up a few spots higher (your #36 above). I'm just saying that I can see him getting force-fed enough that a higher season-end doesn't seem crazy to me.
I would bet a nickel on it, but I'm also a horrible gambler
MIN
2015 - WR45 (WR4) as a rookie who missed the first 3 games, was actually WR31 (WR3) when he finally got on the field in week 4
2016 - WR30 (WR3) in 13 games played
2017 - WR19 (WR2) in 14 games played
2018 - WR11 (WR1) in 15 games played
2019 - WR21 (WR2) in 15 games played
BUF
2020 - WR3 (WR1) in 16 games played
2021 - WR7 (WR1) in 17 games played
2022 - WR4 (WR1) in 16 games played (BUF played only 16 games)
2023 - WR9 (WR1) in 17 games played
HOU
2024 - WR64 (WR6) in 8 games played, was WR8 (WR1) through the first 8 games of the season
You're not just buying a name with Diggs. He has been a WR1 when on the field for the last 5 years. Sure, he may suck balls in NE, but his age, plus his ACL, plus his diva-ness, plus his boat activity have made people quickly forget he is one of only a small handful to have 4 straight 100+ catch seasons. It's hard to imagine him dropping to FF bench fodder so quickly. I wouldn't draft him as a top 24 WR, but I have a feeling he's either going to be a decent WR2, or completely useless. I doubt there will be an in-between.
Actually, I like this little group. All with WR4 prices.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
This year more than ever will be difficult to put together projections for NE. I know a lot of people are high on Maye, but he only won 1 game that he started the entire game last year. As I have been discussing in the NE team thread, they have a lot of new faces on offense . . . but who knows how good those guys are and how they will fit together. This group will likely be better than last year's offense . . . but my initial read is it would be hard for them to be worse.
One thing I haven't seen discussed anywhere is the style of play Vrabel played in TEN. They were run heavy, played tough defense, and didn't take a lot of chances on offense. They only averaged 475 passing attempts per season (with an average of 484 rushing attempts). Had NE had that many passes last season, they would have ranked 31st in passing attempts. From the comments I have seen from Vrabel so far, I would conclude that they will try to play a similar style. If the defense is improved, they might be able to stick to that approach. Maye likely will have more designed runs and take off on scrambles than Tannehill did, so I could see the Pats with 450 passing attempts and 500 rushing attempts.
The point being, I don't see the Pats being a pass happy team, so there may not be a ton of targets for Diggs like some are suggesting. I also have heard that NE could go back to using their RBs out of the backfield a ton. Under McDaniels, they had a stretch with seasons of 126-121-121 total RB receptions in a row. It's conceivable they have twice as many total RB receptions this year than last year. That would leave even less on the plate for someone like Diggs.
As for Digg's resume, bear in mind that MIN-BUF-HOU predominantly had more firepower on offense than NE does. Most of those teams had 2 or 3 other experienced and capable receiving options (and threw the ball 100 more times a year). And that's not even getting into Diggs' situation at all (age / injury recovery / potential diva and off field issues). Not saying it is going to happen, but I can see Vrabel butting heads with Diggs at some point and Diggs getting sat down (whether that starts as the rest of a game or a full game). I know reports out of OTAs are that Diggs looks like he is running well, but nothing that they are doing really resembles real football. Hard to tell if he can go from running along the sideline now to playing in full pads and taking hard shots in 3 months and playing at the same level as pre-injury. I suppose it's possible, but most of the time, guys coming off knee surgery take half to a full year to get back to normal.
One thing I haven't seen discussed anywhere is the style of play Vrabel played in TEN. They were run heavy, played tough defense, and didn't take a lot of chances on offense. They only averaged 475 passing attempts per season (with an average of 484 rushing attempts). Had NE had that many passes last season, they would have ranked 31st in passing attempts. From the comments I have seen from Vrabel so far, I would conclude that they will try to play a similar style. If the defense is improved, they might be able to stick to that approach. Maye likely will have more designed runs and take off on scrambles than Tannehill did, so I could see the Pats with 450 passing attempts and 500 rushing attempts.
The point being, I don't see the Pats being a pass happy team, so there may not be a ton of targets for Diggs like some are suggesting. I also have heard that NE could go back to using their RBs out of the backfield a ton. Under McDaniels, they had a stretch with seasons of 126-121-121 total RB receptions in a row. It's conceivable they have twice as many total RB receptions this year than last year. That would leave even less on the plate for someone like Diggs.
As for Digg's resume, bear in mind that MIN-BUF-HOU predominantly had more firepower on offense than NE does. Most of those teams had 2 or 3 other experienced and capable receiving options (and threw the ball 100 more times a year). And that's not even getting into Diggs' situation at all (age / injury recovery / potential diva and off field issues). Not saying it is going to happen, but I can see Vrabel butting heads with Diggs at some point and Diggs getting sat down (whether that starts as the rest of a game or a full game). I know reports out of OTAs are that Diggs looks like he is running well, but nothing that they are doing really resembles real football. Hard to tell if he can go from running along the sideline now to playing in full pads and taking hard shots in 3 months and playing at the same level as pre-injury. I suppose it's possible, but most of the time, guys coming off knee surgery take half to a full year to get back to normal.
Stop ruining a good thread with accusations like this. Keep it on topic and talk about where you see him projected, not trying to call other's crazy. TIA.
warpig33
Footballguy
I'm wondering if this Chism guy may rate his own thread very soon? He was a priority UDFA and the Pats had to outbid 6 other teams for his services. I believe Chism said he went with the Pats since he felt like they really wanted him (gave him a fat UDFA contract too). Lots of comps to Kupp. I picked him up in the 9th round of a 32 team league. Because at that point...why not?
socrates
Footballguy
If only we had the technology to test an individual for drugs.Actually no, we don’t.
I mean we might assume what it is, we might even be pretty sure of it.
But we don’t actually “know” anything.
If he’d been pulled over and caught with it, cops tested it & proved that it was cocaine or whatever, then we’d know.
Right now we have a photo or video. Which also doesn’t show Diggs using whatever it is. That’s also relevant.
Circumstantial at best. Proof of nothing. I’m just calling it like I see it. Players don’t catch suspensions for being suspected of stuff, they catch suspensions for doing stuff.
It’s a bad look. I’ll agree totally with that. I just don’t see it resulting in anything. If he pops positive on a drug test, he gone. Otherwise, it’s likely
Diggs is not necessarily guilty of any wrongdoing; however, there is enough suspicion to subject Diggs to a drug test.
I had been completely out on him, but he did really well in ESPN's advanced metrics last year. He will likely start slow because of teh ACL injury, but I could see him paying off late in the year. If the draft spot continues to fall, I will likely start taking him.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I assume any WR uses coke.
I do not assume any WR uses that pink stuff.
It's not the same as cocaine. It's some mixed up cocktail of wacky stuff.
There's a Vice video about it. Watch it. Ten minutes after you finish it, you'll be selling all your Diggs shares for pennies in the dollar
Does anyone know what it actually is?
I assume it’s Molly or K or coke or all three but have never seen or heard of it before.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I assumed that would happen shortly after the video surfaced, but then, Diggs is a union employee. There are very specific rules surrounding drug tests. I’m not familiar enough with them to be qualified to comment about whether or not his situation passes the threshold fir mandatory testing.If only we had the technology to test an individual for drugs.Actually no, we don’t.
I mean we might assume what it is, we might even be pretty sure of it.
But we don’t actually “know” anything.
If he’d been pulled over and caught with it, cops tested it & proved that it was cocaine or whatever, then we’d know.
Right now we have a photo or video. Which also doesn’t show Diggs using whatever it is. That’s also relevant.
Circumstantial at best. Proof of nothing. I’m just calling it like I see it. Players don’t catch suspensions for being suspected of stuff, they catch suspensions for doing stuff.
It’s a bad look. I’ll agree totally with that. I just don’t see it resulting in anything. If he pops positive on a drug test, he gone. Otherwise, it’s likely
Diggs is not necessarily guilty of any wrongdoing; however, there is enough suspicion to subject Diggs to a drug test.
Also, for all we know it’s already come and gone. Pretty sure that’s not public information unless he fails & is suspended. Which likely also would have happened by now.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I sure hope so - I managed to claim him in one league where he went undrafted.
Major
Footballguy
I assume any WR uses coke.
I do not assume any WR uses that pink stuff.
It's not the same as cocaine. It's some mixed up cocktail of wacky stuff.
There's a Vice video about it. Watch it. Ten minutes after you finish it, you'll be selling all your Diggs shares for pennies in the dollar
Does anyone know what it actually is?
I assume it’s Molly or K or coke or all three but have never seen or heard of it before.
It's likely a drug called Tuci aka Pink Cocaine which has been very popular in Colombia for a while now. It's a concoction of drugs depending on the purveyor but mostly molly, ketamine and meth. It was only a matter of time before it made it's way to Miami.
efactor
Footballguy
My shocked face
I would want videos of me passing out party drugs to ugly women kept personal too
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Never ceases to amaze me how so many internet heroes are so successful with the ladies. I understand this is not fantasy football conversation but the twitter comments about how unattractive the women in the video are.. and to see posters here parroting lame jokes. Just a bad look IMO. I feel relatively confident that most of these comments are coming from gentlemen who. If presented with an opportunity for the seggs with said ‘ugly’ women would believe they won the lottery that day. Not saying you’re in your mom’s basement for sure but that’s definitely the vibe I get.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I think the surprise is the level of fame and the fact that they are mid level attractive, not that people on here wouldn’t be into them.
I think there is some level of scrutiny that is fair to be subjected to when chasing the clout/fame, did it go overboard with people calling them ugly…probably.
efactor
Footballguy
Fair. Ugly might have been harsh. But mid level attractive is being kind.
It just struck me as funny that he posted about wanting to keep his personal life personal in this situation. Well, yeah, most people prefer negative things kept personal.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Absolutely funny that he said that since there is video of him with high likelihood of drugs in his hands.
Also, wasn’t singling you out. Just in general the extremes when discussing the women.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
“So everything else is everything else” is a quote for the ages.
efactor
Footballguy
Technically, he's not wrong“So everything else is everything else” is a quote for the ages.
darksideofoz
Footballguy
it is what it is“So everything else is everything else” is a quote for the ages.
darksideofoz
Footballguy
or as was said in Pulp Fiction, "what we find pleasing to the touch and pleasing to the eye is seldom the same."The higher you are, the prettier they get.
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
Admittedly I haven't read the whole thread.
Has it been proven that Diggs was not holding pink Himalayan salt whilst informing the young women of his preference for it, as it has additional health benefits over traditional table salt?
Has it been proven that Diggs was not holding pink Himalayan salt whilst informing the young women of his preference for it, as it has additional health benefits over traditional table salt?
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
A handful of 7's that treat you as their 10 is more fun than a 10 that that is 70% a headache
https://youtube.com/shorts/3G07NZs2v18?si=k-DpW9fUKdrg5HC1
https://youtube.com/shorts/3G07NZs2v18?si=k-DpW9fUKdrg5HC1
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
George Carlin said it best.
“I never [explative]’d a 10, but one night I [explative]’d five 2s.”
“I never [explative]’d a 10, but one night I [explative]’d five 2s.”
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I believe it was Benadryl.
It has been suggested that it’s pink Himalayan sea salt.
There have been other creative suggestions.
It has not been established that
1. It was his
2. It was drugs
3. He consumed any
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
Or the nfl was already aware of Diggs' ability to bring attention in an otherwise slow time 
efactor
Footballguy
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
Sounds like Diggs has settled down with Cardi B. Will we being seeing a more mature Stefon this season?
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
Cardi B reportedly had bad BBL smell... like a "trash bag in July"
Diggs still searching for love.
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
Who here can realistically see themselves drafting a WR dealing with stank BBL this year?
Was reading a piece earlier today on Diggs from a Patriots beat writer who was trying to make the point, more the once, that one major plus for Diggs was his familiarity with Josh McDaniels scheme. What am I missing? Is the trying to say the Daboll scheme in Buffalo is the same as McDaniels?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Daboll was an assistant in NE under McDaniels a couple of times. I'm not sure Daboll copied the scheme, as he was a WR 02-06 and TE coach 13-16. IMO, that's not the same as Diggs having some great advantage of the system. Hollins and Bourne, yes. Diggs probably not. Daboll may have used some similar concepts, but probably there's not a ton that's apples to apples.
Thanks and I feel the same way as you.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
so something like 95/800/7?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d absolutely take that
Probably more like 80/800/6 if I’m being realistic. He could start slow. Or Maye could have a sophomore slump. Or they could run more than we expect & defense improves.
Lots of ways for Diggs season to be lackluster without the injury.
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Big Nate
Footballguy
In dynasty I'm tempted to package him up and ship him off for a younger WR. New team, coming off significant injury and I feel a younger more stable WR might be better.
No doubt in his prime his route running was unbelievable but he's getting old and might have a slow start to the season. Only issue is value - that is a tough one.
Need more hype pieces....
No doubt in his prime his route running was unbelievable but he's getting old and might have a slow start to the season. Only issue is value - that is a tough one.
Need more hype pieces....
Boston
Footballguy
I think it is easy to see how he can put up quality #'s this year but I don't see anyone in Dynasty giving up a solid young WR for the opportunity to take that chance...maybe after abot 8-9 games that might be a possibility with a contending team but I still don't see much coming back in a trade for him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m with you, but I’m waiting for a good game & selling on the dead cat bounce.
His value is at a major low right now and I don’t think you’ll get any player with his even modest 2025 upside selling right now. After the injury, after the baggie of “crushed Benadryl” - once he shows he can play and has a 7-8 reception game, then you could probably package him for a younger asset worth rostering.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just typed about the same - I shoulda read your comments 1st.
I agree. I do believe he could command a 2nd or 3rd in the scenario you describe under the right circumstances. Contending team takes a hit at WR - Diggs had 6-7 starts with 5-7 receptions per, couple TDs?
Otherwise better riding him to the end and putting him out to pasture.
Boston
Footballguy
In some ways the best time to try to grab him is right now...his Owner is probably looking to move on from him and you can probably get him for pennies on the dollar...if you have an extra roster spot, he's not a bad stash if you have a contending Dynasty team with plenty of youth already on it...his path to good #'s is far from a definite but it is very easy to see how it can happen.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Completely agree.
Now is the best time to buy Diggs & the worst time to sell Diggs.
Personally I need the marginal BYE-week
depth more than I need draft picks. But that could change.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I'm still not buying everything on Diggs. Beat guys said he looked great running on the sidelines. But that's not football. He still hasn't passed a physical, he hasn't been activated, and NE could still pull the rug out from under him if they wanted. From what I could tell, they would only have paid him $4M if they wanted to run him out of town. Not saying that's where we are headed. but that is an outcome still on the table. How he is actually doing in his recovery is pure guesswork. There's a huge difference in running on the sideline and planting, cutting, and getting hit by a Mack truck. The return timetable has ranged from no delays or setbacks and active Week 1 . . . to potentially going on short-term IR or PUP and missing the first 4 weeks of the season. The boat episode may be gone but not forgotten. Ignoring all of that, my key things to consider are a soon to be 32-year-old WR returning from a serious knee injury on an offense that couldn't get out of its own way the past two seasons. I also am concerned the Pats have new faces on offense, but it remains to be seen if they actually got much better. And the McDaniel's system without Brady has been . . . not great. It's ranked in the 20s on average in points and yards without TB12. That's how things look through my lens, but others may see things differently.
