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WR Tee Higgins, CIN (2 Viewers)

Longerm Tee is interesting. People here seem sure he's getting resigned. A lot of the national fantasy people I hear are pretty sure the Bengals are cheap and will let him walk. Is being the #1 somewhere else good for him or is that going to expose him?
Definitely feels like a Juju type situation where the guy was a stud when he had a stud next to him but exposed when he's the #1. But maybe Tee pulls it off. Who knows.
History is twisting the narrative on JuJu without AB, the reason for his decline is a bum knee.
I know he's had injuries but I remember going all in on him that first season after AB and he was a dud. Just couldn't shake top coverage.
I believe because of his knee which was initially an issue in college and started creeping up on him the last year with AB. I know he started missing practice that year and Tomlin said it was minor and due to an old knee issue from college.

In week 15 in 2017, Juju's rookie season, AB got hurt 20 snaps into the game in week 15. At that point JuJu had not done much. He finished that game 6/114 and the next two games without AB playing went 6/75/1 and 9/143/1 and in both of those games had just one target he did not catch so not an issue he was just heavily targetted, was productive and hyper efficient.

Not the biggest sample size but he showed me he could perform without AB, then his knee issues started cropping up at the end of his massive 2018 season and I don't think he's ever been the same. Morphed into a pure possesion guy because of lack of explosion.
 
Longerm Tee is interesting. People here seem sure he's getting resigned. A lot of the national fantasy people I hear are pretty sure the Bengals are cheap and will let him walk. Is being the #1 somewhere else good for him or is that going to expose him?
Definitely feels like a Juju type situation where the guy was a stud when he had a stud next to him but exposed when he's the #1. But maybe Tee pulls it off. Who knows.
History is twisting the narrative on JuJu without AB, the reason for his decline is a bum knee.
I know he's had injuries but I remember going all in on him that first season after AB and he was a dud. Just couldn't shake top coverage.
I believe because of his knee which was initially an issue in college and started creeping up on him the last year with AB. I know he started missing practice that year and Tomlin said it was minor and due to an old knee issue from college.

In week 15 in 2017, Juju's rookie season, AB got hurt 20 snaps into the game in week 15. At that point JuJu had not done much. He finished that game 6/114 and the next two games without AB playing went 6/75/1 and 9/143/1 and in both of those games had just one target he did not catch so not an issue he was just heavily targetted, was productive and hyper efficient.

Not the biggest sample size but he showed me he could perform without AB, then his knee issues started cropping up at the end of his massive 2018 season and I don't think he's ever been the same. Morphed into a pure possesion guy because of lack of explosion.
Last year with AB though he had 111-1426-7 and played in all 16 games. I know he got injured the following year in November when he was the guy.
 
He will be offered the tag but someone may offer him a golladay type contract scaled to todays inflation
Definitely can see him getting a huge deal if he's not franchised, mainly because he's the top free agent option among a relatively shallow pool of good free agent WRs, and teams are throwing a lot of money at the position in today's pass heavy game.
 
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Joe Burrow: I expect Tee to be back. That’s the sentiment in the locker room. He’s what being a Bengal is all about.

Burrow said when he negotiated his contract they “made sure things were in place” for the team to keep players like Higgins.
 
He will be offered the tag but someone may offer him a golladay type contract scaled to todays inflation
Definitely can see him getting a huge deal if he's not franchised, mainly because he's the top free agent option among a relatively shallow pool of good free agent WRs, and teams are throwing a lot of money at the position in today's pass heavy game.
Right. I've been adamant around for awhile that he's not reaching UFA this off-season, but if he was free he'd get a heap of money even with his injury plagued down year.

The draft is deep at WR but since that's after FA and you don't know what you might get, especially if you are picking outside the top 10.

A team like Carolina in particular, which is a team with no first and a dire need, would throw the bag at him.
 
I think he'll hit free agency.
They were upset they lost Bates to Atlanta and overspent on tackles.
I don't think overpaying a WR is a good response

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#Bengals exec Duke Tobin, to
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, on WR Tee Higgins, who is scheduled to be a free agent in March: “I want Tee Higgins back. Everyone on our team would like Tee Higgins back. There’s a pie and there are things we can do and can’t do because of it. We’ll see.”
 
I think that's how you slowly break it to fans that they can't afford him
I see it as setting up that possibility, but Tee may want to stay.

It’s possible he likes playing with Burrow, and believes in the Bengals.

It’s also possible he wants to test the market & they’ll be unable to retain him (they also have Boyd to deal with IIRC. and they have Charlie Jones & Iosivas as quality depth if he can’t be retained)

Never can tell. I’d give it a coin flip at this point.
 
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It’s also possible he wants to test the market & they’ll be unable to retain him (they also have Boyd to deal with IIRC. and they have Charlie Jones & Iosivas as quality depth if he can’t be retained)
I don’t think Boyd is a priority by any stretch. Either some other team will overpay him or he’ll come back on a cheap deal. The bigger issue is that they’re going to have to deal with Chase after next year - paying up for Higgins on top of Burrow and Chase would be a ton of cap space dedicated to just those three.
 
It’s also possible he wants to test the market & they’ll be unable to retain him (they also have Boyd to deal with IIRC. and they have Charlie Jones & Iosivas as quality depth if he can’t be retained)
I don’t think Boyd is a priority by any stretch. Either some other team will overpay him or he’ll come back on a cheap deal. The bigger issue is that they’re going to have to deal with Chase after next year - paying up for Higgins on top of Burrow and Chase would be a ton of cap space dedicated to just those three.
I didn’t say Boyd was a priority. I just said they also have to deal with him.
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It’s also possible he wants to test the market & they’ll be unable to retain him (they also have Boyd to deal with IIRC. and they have Charlie Jones & Iosivas as quality depth if he can’t be retained)
I don’t think Boyd is a priority by any stretch. Either some other team will overpay him or he’ll come back on a cheap deal. The bigger issue is that they’re going to have to deal with Chase after next year - paying up for Higgins on top of Burrow and Chase would be a ton of cap space dedicated to just those three.
I didn’t say Boyd was a priority. I just said they also have to deal with him.
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Right - my bad. I don’t think they’ll deal with him though.
 
Right - my bad. I don’t think they’ll deal with him though
I am inclined to agree - as I mentioned, they have some depth there.

That said, after yet another injury marred season from Higgins, Boyd came up big in replacement & likely did earn a payday with another team. With Iosivas & Jones waiting in the wings I doubt they’ll match an offer.

Higgins will be interesting. If he gives them a discount I could definitely see them keeping the trio together. They could easily restructure some players to do it.

But there’s also the possibility that a team backs up the brinks truck to make Higgins their WR1.

If anything, his tender hammies might have helped the Bengals retain him.
 
I'm a pro Tee Higgins guy. I've just always felt he has the tools to be a true #1 wr somewhere. I'm starting to wonder if maybe he is just destined to be that really really good #2 guy? Who knows. Gonna be interesting what they do with him. Burrow is a stud. No question. I will say, having Higgins and Chase to throw to each year definitely helps.
 
Here in Cincinnati, it feels like a foregone conclusion that Boyd is gone. A lot are even saying he goes back to his hometown of Pittsburgh. As for Tee Higgins, a lot are thinking we Franchise him then sign him long term, but I do think a lot of fans are warming up to the idea of trading him after they see what AJ Brown or Marquise Brown has fetched in years past. I'm not saying he is AJ Brown status, but he is closer to him than to Marquise imo. If they can get a 1st + 4th/5th by trading him, I think it is a no brainer for the cap restraints we will be seeing in the near future. I hope they end up trading him, but I think they will only Franchise him and keep him on the team this coming year. Please don't trade him to an AFC team.
 
Here in Cincinnati, it feels like a foregone conclusion that Boyd is gone. A lot are even saying he goes back to his hometown of Pittsburgh. As for Tee Higgins, a lot are thinking we Franchise him then sign him long term, but I do think a lot of fans are warming up to the idea of trading him after they see what AJ Brown or Marquise Brown has fetched in years past. I'm not saying he is AJ Brown status, but he is closer to him than to Marquise imo. If they can get a 1st + 4th/5th by trading him, I think it is a no brainer for the cap restraints we will be seeing in the near future. I hope they end up trading him, but I think they will only Franchise him and keep him on the team this coming year. Please don't trade him to an AFC team.
I really like Higgins but as you say he isn't AJB and I just don't see any team giving up a first round pick let alone a second pick (even if it is later). If CIN can't afford him a team will just wait to sign him if he walks. This WR class is deep and a team could just sign a great WR prospect with their first round pick and get the player on a rookie contract for 5 years. Doesn't make sense trading a first for Higgins and then having to pay him big $ too.

Speaking of cash, think Higgins would agree and sign the franchise tag for 1 year? These franchise tags are not great for the player as they take on so much injury risk these days. The teams/owners just take advantage of players and the franchise tag is probably one of the worst things for players. I don't know what the answer is but if I was player I wouldn't be signing them.
 
Here in Cincinnati, it feels like a foregone conclusion that Boyd is gone. A lot are even saying he goes back to his hometown of Pittsburgh.
Agree it should be viewed as a foregone conclusion and I'd look at Pittsburgh as the second most likely spot he might land, but I'd put Tennesse first.


As for Tee Higgins, a lot are thinking we Franchise him then sign him long term,
I've been adamant he won't reach the open market here and in other threads but for sure I never have been adamant he'll be with Cincy next year. If I was a Cincy fan I'd want what is probably the same thing you want, tag him and trade him. Extending him would be tough with Chase's deal coming up but they have money to tag him this year and work it out later one way or the other.
 
Here in Cincinnati, it feels like a foregone conclusion that Boyd is gone. A lot are even saying he goes back to his hometown of Pittsburgh. As for Tee Higgins, a lot are thinking we Franchise him then sign him long term, but I do think a lot of fans are warming up to the idea of trading him after they see what AJ Brown or Marquise Brown has fetched in years past. I'm not saying he is AJ Brown status, but he is closer to him than to Marquise imo. If they can get a 1st + 4th/5th by trading him, I think it is a no brainer for the cap restraints we will be seeing in the near future. I hope they end up trading him, but I think they will only Franchise him and keep him on the team this coming year. Please don't trade him to an AFC team.
I really like Higgins but as you say he isn't AJB and I just don't see any team giving up a first round pick let alone a second pick (even if it is later). If CIN can't afford him a team will just wait to sign him if he walks. This WR class is deep and a team could just sign a great WR prospect with their first round pick and get the player on a rookie contract for 5 years. Doesn't make sense trading a first for Higgins and then having to pay him big $ too.

Speaking of cash, think Higgins would agree and sign the franchise tag for 1 year? These franchise tags are not great for the player as they take on so much injury risk these days. The teams/owners just take advantage of players and the franchise tag is probably one of the worst things for players. I don't know what the answer is but if I was player I wouldn't be signing them.

I do think Higgins will sign the franchise tag, mainly because he didn't have that good of a year and was often injured. Not to mention Burrow being injured most of the year. This will give him a nice prove it type year to go get a big deal. Plus he genuinely loves it here in Cincinnati and loves his teammates. Him and Chase are boys and they both love playing with Burrow. On top of that, yes the Franchise deals aren't the best for the players in regards to the injury risk, but in Higgins case, he would be going from making ~3 million this past year to close to ~20 million in one year. That is more than his entire rookie contract, so it isn't all bad.

Agreed with the strong rookie WR class, but one thing the Bengals have going for them with Higgins, is he is considered to be the best available FA WR out there with all things considered (Production, Age, etc) and a lot of people in the league consider him a WR1. Michael Pittman might be the closest thing to him right now in FA. Evans is definitely a WR1 but is getting up there in age, that I don't know if a team would be willing to commit to more than a 2-3 year deal for him.

A lot to unfold with this situation and a lot of moving pieces. Historically the Bengals normally take care of their own and don't bring in the big time free agents, both of which would make me lean towards the Bengals getting a deal done with Higgins. If the Bengals aren't signing the big free agent deals with outside players, they have more money to spend for Higgins.
 
Here in Cincinnati, it feels like a foregone conclusion that Boyd is gone. A lot are even saying he goes back to his hometown of Pittsburgh.
Agree it should be viewed as a foregone conclusion and I'd look at Pittsburgh as the second most likely spot he might land, but I'd put Tennesse first.


As for Tee Higgins, a lot are thinking we Franchise him then sign him long term,
I've been adamant he won't reach the open market here and in other threads but for sure I never have been adamant he'll be with Cincy next year. If I was a Cincy fan I'd want what is probably the same thing you want, tag him and trade him. Extending him would be tough with Chase's deal coming up but they have money to tag him this year and work it out later one way or the other.

I could see Boyd going to Tennessee as well. The need is there and Callahan getting hired there only helps the situation. I could actually see either/both of Boyd and Higgins possibly being in play for the Titans this offseason. I would love for Brian Callahan to pull a Hue Jackson and offer some ridiculous trade for Higgins like Hue did for Carson Palmer.

Priority #1 this offseason for the Bengals should be signing Chase to an extension. From there the other dominoes can fall. If the allotted salary cap amount at WR is available to sign Higgins, great, if not sign and trade is preferred.
 
Now the question becomes: Is this a tag & trade situation?
The Bengals are near the most cap space available. 72 mil.
Suppose 50 now
40 with drafted rookies paid with the ten.

Their tackle spot they don't seem happy with yet at the same time the rest of the league sees 3-4 tackles and thinks they're lucky. Regardless how ya view it, there's a decision to be made on Jonah Williams and a potential free agent replacement. That's another ten mil.

30 mil left.
Most fans say re-sign Chase but they won't do that early.

That 30 mil is probably for "who do we NOT want the Titans to steal from us" and a decision on Mixon. They don't appear to have all these big loss free agents either.

I don't see the urge to trade Higgins. Everything is workable as is.

The issue, as I see it, comes back to Chase. He does need to be signed soon and they are pushing Tee off a year with the tag. It'll be pretty tough to afford both in the same year during negotiations. If Tee wants 15 Chase will want 20. If Tee wants 20 Chase will want 25 etc.

I think their goal isn't to trade Tee but to get him to sign a deal and lose the tag
 
Now the question becomes: Is this a tag & trade situation?
The Bengals are near the most cap space available. 72 mil.
Suppose 50 now
40 with drafted rookies paid with the ten.

Their tackle spot they don't seem happy with yet at the same time the rest of the league sees 3-4 tackles and thinks they're lucky. Regardless how ya view it, there's a decision to be made on Jonah Williams and a potential free agent replacement. That's another ten mil.

30 mil left.
Most fans say re-sign Chase but they won't do that early.

That 30 mil is probably for "who do we NOT want the Titans to steal from us" and a decision on Mixon. They don't appear to have all these big loss free agents either.

I don't see the urge to trade Higgins. Everything is workable as is.

The issue, as I see it, comes back to Chase. He does need to be signed soon and they are pushing Tee off a year with the tag. It'll be pretty tough to afford both in the same year during negotiations. If Tee wants 15 Chase will want 20. If Tee wants 20 Chase will want 25 etc.

I think their goal isn't to trade Tee but to get him to sign a deal and lose the tag
Cap has been updated on OTC and about right, got about $51M after after Tee's tag, would ballpark $42-43M after rookie allocation.

They'll likely address OT in the all-time OT draft, don't see a major FA splurge.

This has been their plan with Tee since last season and it's been obvious to see and they've had cap space carved out to make it work and that was before they got the unexpected bonus of the cap coming in over $10M more then estimates.

I will very much disagree with you that their plan has been to tag and extend Tee. I mean sure if the takes a cheap deal but he's not doing that. The cap space they have now, the way Burrow did his contract, it was always designed this way to put the tag on him and give them another year. In 2025 Burrow's cap hit will go up $17m from this season and Chase's extension or 5th year option will start hogging up a lot more cap.

They'd love to resign Chase today but Jefferson is probably going to hold up the entire upper end WR market up until he signs. Lamb and Chase in particular probably can't wait for him to sign.

I'm not even sure Mixon's roster spot has as much to do with the cap as in if they just want a more explosive runner. They can trim a few million with a pay cut , but I'll again reference the cap increase over expecation which will of course result in higher salaries for everyone but they can keep Mixon if they really wanted to, not sure they want to, not sure how much Joe might interject if he wants him to stay. I just think Mixon's roster status has more to do with then money, but taking less will help his chances.

I do believe the Bengals will trade Tee if the right opportunity comes along. Unlike last season, their GM-Tobin, did not rule it out. I don't think it will happen but it's possible especially if things get acrimonous, though the Bengals can be about as stubborn as it gets. What could he get? Based on trade value charts Tyreek and Davante returned somewhere in the pick 10-12 kind of range, AJ Brown just a hair off but both Tyreek and AJB had fairly cheap(really cheap in AJB's case) one year left on their deals. My guess is Tee would not return a first, perhaps a future first which is devalued over a current, I'm thinking if you look at trade charts the cumulative of what they'd get back would be something in the mid to high second. I'm not so sure the Bengals want to do that vs trying to make a run this year with all 3 but it's possible.

Candidates of interest to trade for him would be your Titans in desperate need of some good young WR's and with $78M in cap space. The Patriots who need almost everything on offense, have $77M in cap space, and a whopping $190m projected space in 2025 which is about $30M more then anyone else. And of course the Panthers who have "just" $34M in cap space, but are probably the most desperate team to get a #1 type WR and don't have a first.
 
Now the question becomes: Is this a tag & trade situation?
Possible, but it’s a pretty crowded FA market.

With the cap ceiling lifted higher than expected, I don’t see why they’d deal him.

Guess it depends how teams feel about Ridley. Evans is a short term option. Higgins should be the most coveted asset.
I don’t see why they’d pay Ridley or Evans more than the guy they already know who knows the offense.
 
Now the question becomes: Is this a tag & trade situation?
The Bengals are near the most cap space available. 72 mil.
Suppose 50 now
40 with drafted rookies paid with the ten.

Their tackle spot they don't seem happy with yet at the same time the rest of the league sees 3-4 tackles and thinks they're lucky. Regardless how ya view it, there's a decision to be made on Jonah Williams and a potential free agent replacement. That's another ten mil.

30 mil left.
Most fans say re-sign Chase but they won't do that early.

That 30 mil is probably for "who do we NOT want the Titans to steal from us" and a decision on Mixon. They don't appear to have all these big loss free agents either.

I don't see the urge to trade Higgins. Everything is workable as is.

The issue, as I see it, comes back to Chase. He does need to be signed soon and they are pushing Tee off a year with the tag. It'll be pretty tough to afford both in the same year during negotiations. If Tee wants 15 Chase will want 20. If Tee wants 20 Chase will want 25 etc.

I think their goal isn't to trade Tee but to get him to sign a deal and lose the tag
Cap has been updated on OTC and about right, got about $51M after after Tee's tag, would ballpark $42-43M after rookie allocation.

They'll likely address OT in the all-time OT draft, don't see a major FA splurge.

This has been their plan with Tee since last season and it's been obvious to see and they've had cap space carved out to make it work and that was before they got the unexpected bonus of the cap coming in over $10M more then estimates.

I will very much disagree with you that their plan has been to tag and extend Tee. I mean sure if the takes a cheap deal but he's not doing that. The cap space they have now, the way Burrow did his contract, it was always designed this way to put the tag on him and give them another year. In 2025 Burrow's cap hit will go up $17m from this season and Chase's extension or 5th year option will start hogging up a lot more cap.

They'd love to resign Chase today but Jefferson is probably going to hold up the entire upper end WR market up until he signs. Lamb and Chase in particular probably can't wait for him to sign.

I'm not even sure Mixon's roster spot has as much to do with the cap as in if they just want a more explosive runner. They can trim a few million with a pay cut , but I'll again reference the cap increase over expecation which will of course result in higher salaries for everyone but they can keep Mixon if they really wanted to, not sure they want to, not sure how much Joe might interject if he wants him to stay. I just think Mixon's roster status has more to do with then money, but taking less will help his chances.

I do believe the Bengals will trade Tee if the right opportunity comes along. Unlike last season, their GM-Tobin, did not rule it out. I don't think it will happen but it's possible especially if things get acrimonous, though the Bengals can be about as stubborn as it gets. What could he get? Based on trade value charts Tyreek and Davante returned somewhere in the pick 10-12 kind of range, AJ Brown just a hair off but both Tyreek and AJB had fairly cheap(really cheap in AJB's case) one year left on their deals. My guess is Tee would not return a first, perhaps a future first which is devalued over a current, I'm thinking if you look at trade charts the cumulative of what they'd get back would be something in the mid to high second. I'm not so sure the Bengals want to do that vs trying to make a run this year with all 3 but it's possible.

Candidates of interest to trade for him would be your Titans in desperate need of some good young WR's and with $78M in cap space. The Patriots who need almost everything on offense, have $77M in cap space, and a whopping $190m projected space in 2025 which is about $30M more then anyone else. And of course the Panthers who have "just" $34M in cap space, but are probably the most desperate team to get a #1 type WR and don't have a first.
(I appreciate the detailed reply)
I think the concept of tagging someone and planning to only have them one year is a shark move I'd totally respect.
But I guess the GM wants the contract/years freedom to apply the cap hit however he wants- like money is good this year so let's sign Tee to a three year deal and eat a lot this year. When he's gotta re-sign Chase, then he'd want Tee's number to be lower etc.

What do you think their ideal plan is with Tee?
 
What do you think their ideal plan is with Tee?

Thanks for response.

I can't say what their ideal plan is out of the following options.

I would think one ideal plan would be to extend him on a contract where they've got an out after 2 seasons on the notion the first year Chase is playing under his extension, which would be 2025, the cap hit is generally lower and they can could afford to absorb Burrows cap increase along with both WR's extension and then be able to move on from Tee after the 2025 season with expectatoin the extension given to Chase takes a huge hike in 2026. The expected tag number for Tee in 2025 would mean that the Bengals would need to commit at absolute bare minimum $24m a year to Tee for the next two seasons and bare minimum of $48M guaranteed. I stress these are bare minimums and the mere fact they put the franchise tag on him so quickly suggests to me they are not close. I would also mention the NFL funding rule about escrowing guarantees and I do wonder if this option could be an issue for one of the lower cash flow teams, especialy again with the commitment to Burrow and one likely coming with Chase. So perhaps this is not an ideal plan for the Bengals.

So I'm left thinking the most ideal plan for them is just putting him on the tag for this season, bringing the band back to make a SB run and then re-assessing how things look after the season. Tagging him a second time may be possible, and if not they let him walk for a 2026 comp pick. In the meantime I do think if they'd be open to trade him if the right offer came along but I don't think they tagged him to shop him so much as tagged him to make a SB run but unlike last year they will at least talk to any team if they call asking about acquring him in a trade.
 
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I hope they figure something out. Feels inevitable he'll wind up elsewhere. I just hope it's not to a terrible offense.

Maybe this is a move to put pressure on the Bengals to get something done.
 

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