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WR Terry McLaurin, WAS (2 Viewers)

I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.

It's not like he has NO leverage. If that was the case he'd already have signed something. The team certainly has MORE leverage, but ultimately he can hold out if he wants whether it's a good decision or not.

He isn't the first player to do this and end up "winning" and he won't be the last
Exactly. His leverage is the team isn't winning crap without him. They know it and he does too.

@Payne, your comment has some merit, but IMHO, in a different way, and I say that as one of the staunches supporters of this Team. I absolutely adore TMcL, and I'm very grateful for what he's brought to the WFT'skins over his time here, but JD is the straw that stirs the drink, and everything else flows from him. In relation to the back half of your first sentence, this Team is quite likely to regress in 2025, anyway, regardless of TMcL's presence or not, IMHO. While they are headed in the right direction, a # of factors are in play that make the probability of getting to, much less winning, a Super Bowl, during TMcL's 'window of usefulness' (the next 2 years, if he signs an extension) isn't likely. Again, IMHO.

Are they/do they have the potential, to be *better* with TMcL on the field? Of course they do!

...but I'm a big believer in Adam Peters, Dan Quinn and his disciple, Joe Whitt, and Kliff Kingsbury, Larry Izzo and the rest of the Coaching Staff, and that they will squeeze every inch of ability out of the hand they're playing, particularly out of Daniels, who is a unique Player with the skillset to help others play above the level they otherwise might acheive on their own...it's just that this Team, as it's currently constructed, and the development curves of the Eagles, and other competitive Teams in the NFC are in conflict with any Championship aspirations the WFT'skins might have in the short-term, which is TMcL's window (as in, he likely signs a 3-yr extension, but only plays here this season, and next before his ability fades and his time here is over).

Just so no one thinks I'm some kind of blind homer, I'll reiterate my reality/what I've been saying since 2024 ended: the 2024 Team overachieved, big time. They lucked into a number of victories, won others by smoke and mirrors, and while they deserve credit for the playoff road win v the Bucs, they played an absolutely toothless Lions Team in the Conference Semi's that might have lost to any other legitimate playoff contender, that day. While the Conference Championship Eagles game might have been close here and there, the reality is, they got soundly smoked, and deservedly so.

I think the brain trust is very aware of this reality, and that has something to do with speculatively questionable decisions already made on a relatively poor defense - letting all 3 of Jonathan Allen, Dorance Armstrong and Jeremy Chinn walk?

Even with TMcL in the mix, it's *very* likely this Team, even operating at peak performance, will win less games than last Season, and as long as the Eagles are a better Team, in their own window, and further along in it, the WFT'skins road to a Championship is overwhelmingly likely to be via road playoff games, which is a notoriously tough gauntlet to run. If I thought this Team at full strength was realistically able to win 5 out of 10 games vs the full-strength Eagles, I'd be all in on doing whatever it takes to sign TMcL, but IMHO, even with him on board, the Eagles are winning *at least* 7/10. They *are* that much better than we are now, IMHO. TMcL doesn't enhance the Team enough to change my opinionated math in that equation.

The WFT'skins football people are taking a correct, mature, big-picture, top-down, long-view approach to this Team, and I for one, am glad for it - after what I've endured for the 20-years prior to last Season? I'll gladly take success in small doses, one step at a time, with a plan in place for sustained winning over time, like the Team I had the privilege of growing up with.

Dorence Armstrong is still on the team. Chinn is represented by Terry’s agent and it’s quite likely that played a factor in him not returning.
 
I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.

It's not like he has NO leverage. If that was the case he'd already have signed something. The team certainly has MORE leverage, but ultimately he can hold out if he wants whether it's a good decision or not.

He isn't the first player to do this and end up "winning" and he won't be the last
Exactly. His leverage is the team isn't winning crap without him. They know it and he does too.

Except he’s not going to sit out the season and everyone knows it. He’ll get his extension as soon as he becomes realistic about the number.
If so, he has no reason to accept their best offer until it actually costs him money
 
Sure he does. Terry actually loves football and playing with his teammates. He’s spent his career playing for dumpster fire teams and he’s just going to refuse to play as they begin their most anticipated season of his career? No way. He's going through all the motions but this ends with him talked down to sane levels or choosing to play out the final year of his deal and hit free agency/get tagged. He will make more if he signs.
 
I think there's some over-reacting to how good a job Adam Peters is doing because of how god-awful Washington's previous ownership and braintrust was for over 20 years. As in "I support him 100% because he's not Dan Snyder's GM". Personally I think Peters is very good but not infallible, and that right now Washington is terribly weak at wide receiver. Samuel may or may not be as good as he used to be. Noah Brown is out hurt, and on his best day he might be average. Luke McCaffrey is having a bad training camp, and it's not like he set the world on fire last year. Daniels is going to find his WR's covered most of the time, like they were blanketed during the Patriots game. And the passing game is going to take a big step back without McLaurin.

Washington will likely win fewer games than last year even with slightly better personnel, but that is no reason to diminish what they can do on offense by losing McLaurin. It's not like they're a hopeless 3-14 team. They expect another winning record and with a very talented young QB it's time to help him out, as they did with the offensive line this off season. Taking a hard line with their 2nd-most talented offensive player is the wrong move.

Peters watched the first exhibition game and subsequently made at least 6 player moves, including cutting a guy he drafted in the 5th round last year. He sees where they're falling short and isn't afraid to try to improve. Peters saw how non-helpful their WR's were during the Patriots game, and I'd guess that during the game he mentally got himself ready to raise his offer to McLaurin.

Don't blow a good opportunity here. Pay the man. He won't break the bank, and without him not too many Washington WR's will break the goal line.
 
Washington was 12-5 last year, and won 2 playoff games. What would their record have been without Terry McLaurin?
Terry McLaurin caught 13 TD's last year. How many of those TD's would have been scored without him?
 
Here’s a good summary of an interview with John Keim today. Tell me, which side sounds reasonable here?

Listened to Keim on Sheehan. The gist.

A. The team he guesses would compromise at 28
B. Doesn't think the team goes higher
C. Terry's side dismisses the age issue
D. Terry's side fixated to the Metcalf deal
E. Sheehan mentioned the story where FO people said they'd take Metcalf over Terry. Keim said he heard the same
F. Terry's side stresses a Terry tax to be compensated for what he endured. The FO isn't interested in paying Terry based on the past.
G. Keim asking around is finding other teams also don't value Terry contract wise the way Terry sees himself
 
I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.
I've been saying he has no leverage for several posts and for all the reasons you explain, agreed
Especially when they likely have to pay JD in about 18-24 months, you don't want to tie up a lot of dead cap in an older WR coming off a career year
He's set to make almost $20M anyways, don't see how he can afford to not cash those checks by holding out or faking an injury and forcing them to get in an ugly PR back and forth

I side with Washington and the new owner to not feel forced into a huge contract. And should he fake an injury, he's risking any further money, teams won't want to hear this.
And I'm a fan of McLaurin, great player for Washington, just happens to be 31 and in the last year of his deal that's still pretty lucrative
 
I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.
I've been saying he has no leverage for several posts and for all the reasons you explain, agreed
Especially when they likely have to pay JD in about 18-24 months, you don't want to tie up a lot of dead cap in an older WR coming off a career year
He's set to make almost $20M anyways, don't see how he can afford to not cash those checks by holding out or faking an injury and forcing them to get in an ugly PR back and forth

I side with Washington and the new owner to not feel forced into a huge contract. And should he fake an injury, he's risking any further money, teams won't want to hear this.
And I'm a fan of McLaurin, great player for Washington, just happens to be 31 and in the last year of his deal that's still pretty lucrative

Exactly right and the kicker is they want to give him a pretty generous deal for his age and production, even though they don’t have to.

I’m generally pro-player so long as they’re reasonable. Terry is still my favorite player not named Jayden and as long as he comes back to earth (he will), have no problem with him trying for more right now. But this idea of “pay the man” has limits. He will be 31 when the extension kicks in.
 
I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.
I've been saying he has no leverage for several posts and for all the reasons you explain, agreed
Especially when they likely have to pay JD in about 18-24 months, you don't want to tie up a lot of dead cap in an older WR coming off a career year
He's set to make almost $20M anyways, don't see how he can afford to not cash those checks by holding out or faking an injury and forcing them to get in an ugly PR back and forth

I side with Washington and the new owner to not feel forced into a huge contract. And should he fake an injury, he's risking any further money, teams won't want to hear this.
And I'm a fan of McLaurin, great player for Washington, just happens to be 31 and in the last year of his deal that's still pretty lucrative

Jayden Daniels is a 1st round pick. The modus operandi of GMs is to exercise the 5th year option before extending. So any Daniels extension won't hit the Washington books until the 2029 season. Even if they gave McLaurin the exact same deal as Metcalf, Daniels new deal wouldn't be a factor as McLaurin could be cut in 2029, and only account for $6M in dead money (for comparison sakes, that the same amount of dead money Jonathan Allen is on the books for this season).
 
I'm going to say this again:

Barring a total collapse by the Eagles, the WFT'skins are *not* winning the NFCE, with, or without TMcL in 2025.

If I'm figuring this out, Adam Peters figured it out long before I did.

Working your way through the playoffs as a WC is an arduous journey that almost never results in a Super Bowl appearance.

The WFT'skins lucked their way into a 12-win season and NFC Champ game appearance in 2024.

JD5 is a gamechanging QB. Given the state of the NFC, I strongly feel the Team is a wild-card contender with or without TMcL. It's just somewhat less likely.

If your best hope in 2025 is a wild card berth, and likely no more than 2 playoff wins, why would you mortgage the future over one Player, and one who's likely end is closer than his peak.

...and I love Terry.

...and not sentimental when it comes to business. Unemotional. It's all about the present, and the future when it comes down to biz.

I see no value in overpaying TMcL.
 
I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.
I've been saying he has no leverage for several posts and for all the reasons you explain, agreed
Especially when they likely have to pay JD in about 18-24 months, you don't want to tie up a lot of dead cap in an older WR coming off a career year
He's set to make almost $20M anyways, don't see how he can afford to not cash those checks by holding out or faking an injury and forcing them to get in an ugly PR back and forth

I side with Washington and the new owner to not feel forced into a huge contract. And should he fake an injury, he's risking any further money, teams won't want to hear this.
And I'm a fan of McLaurin, great player for Washington, just happens to be 31 and in the last year of his deal that's still pretty lucrative

Jayden Daniels is a 1st round pick. The modus operandi of GMs is to exercise the 5th year option before extending. So any Daniels extension won't hit the Washington books until the 2029 season. Even if they gave McLaurin the exact same deal as Metcalf, Daniels new deal wouldn't be a factor as McLaurin could be cut in 2029, and only account for $6M in dead money (for comparison sakes, that the same amount of dead money Jonathan Allen is on the books for this season).
They can be extended after 36 months and a day
Some get theirs between years 3 and 4 including Herbert, Hurts, Burrow, they all got extensions except Tua who had to wait until after Year 4
Hurts was a 2nd round pick and had no 5th year option so Philly might have been slightly more motivated to extend him when they did
Jordan Love pulled this switch, Kyler Murray similar when he wanted his extension.
Most 1st round QBs that are likely to see a 2nd contract and get these early extensions, that signing bonus gets deposited into their bank account the day they sign and extend
That bonus gets spread over however many years
Yes they do have to play for their 4th year salary so the bigger salaries do not kick in until year 5.

Yes teams exercise the 5th year option but then quickly get the extension worked out which overrides that 5th year, that disappears unless the player and team cannot agree, Christian WIlkins -DT for Miami played out his 5th year option and then jumped to Vegas. Different positions but the same rules apply, most of he early extensions seem to be QB or maybe WR
 
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It’s not all about Jayden either. Tunsil is going to need a new deal. Sainristil is pacing to be costly. Maybe Newton. Perhaps they want to keep Deebo around. Flexibility for a big free agent or trade target. General fiscal responsibility.

Whatever deal Terry accepts is already going to reset the market for aging WRs. He’s asking for like 15% more than that.
 
I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.
I've been saying he has no leverage for several posts and for all the reasons you explain, agreed
Especially when they likely have to pay JD in about 18-24 months, you don't want to tie up a lot of dead cap in an older WR coming off a career year
He's set to make almost $20M anyways, don't see how he can afford to not cash those checks by holding out or faking an injury and forcing them to get in an ugly PR back and forth

I side with Washington and the new owner to not feel forced into a huge contract. And should he fake an injury, he's risking any further money, teams won't want to hear this.
And I'm a fan of McLaurin, great player for Washington, just happens to be 31 and in the last year of his deal that's still pretty lucrative

Jayden Daniels is a 1st round pick. The modus operandi of GMs is to exercise the 5th year option before extending. So any Daniels extension won't hit the Washington books until the 2029 season. Even if they gave McLaurin the exact same deal as Metcalf, Daniels new deal wouldn't be a factor as McLaurin could be cut in 2029, and only account for $6M in dead money (for comparison sakes, that the same amount of dead money Jonathan Allen is on the books for this season).
They can be extended after 36 months and a day
Some get theirs between years 3 and 4 including Herbert, Hurts, Burrow, they all got extensions except Tua who had to wait until after Year 4
Hurts was a 2nd round pick and had no 5th year option so Philly might have been slightly more motivated to extend him when they did
Jordan Love pulled this switch, Kyler Murray similar when he wanted his extension.
Most 1st round QBs that are likely to see a 2nd contract and get these early extensions, that signing bonus gets deposited into their bank account and that bonus gets spread over however many years, Yes they do have to play for their 4th year salary so the bigger salaries do not kick in until year 5.

Yes teams exercise the 5th year option but then quickly get the extension worked out which overrides that 5th year, that disappears unless the player and team cannot agree, Christian WIlkins -RT for Miami played out his 5th year option and then jumped to Vegas. Different positions but the same rules apply, most of he early extensions seem to be QB or maybe WR

Hurts was a second round pick so he didn't have a 5th year option.

The Chargers exercised Justin Herbert's 5th year option for 2024 and then signed him to a 5 year extension which kicks in this year and goes to 2029.

The Bengals exercised Joe Burrow's 5th year option for 2024 and then signed him to a 5 year extension which kicks in this year and goes to 2029.

For Daniels, his 5th year option will be 2028, so any extension won't kick in until 2029.

I don't think any QB picked in the first round that got an extension didn't play on a 5th year option. When you sign the extension, your cap hit for the extension doesn't start until AFTER the 5th year option is played.

EDIT: Tua, 5th year option . . . yes. Kyler, 5th year option . . . yes. The Packers didn't exercise Love's 5th year, instead they signed a 1 year extension for same cap hit as the option but paid him $2M more.
 
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And unused cap space can be rolled over. It doesn’t matter when Jayden’s money hits.

The point is they want to keep the cap clean and not do things like pay a 32 year old receiver $30M when he’s in decline and puts up like 600-700 yards. Peters is trying to set the table for Jayden’s entire career. Paying Terry big money in 2028 is almost certainly going to be a really bad investment relative to his performance at that point in time. We’re trying to build a very talented and deep roster one good decision at a time.
 
I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.
I've been saying he has no leverage for several posts and for all the reasons you explain, agreed
Especially when they likely have to pay JD in about 18-24 months, you don't want to tie up a lot of dead cap in an older WR coming off a career year
He's set to make almost $20M anyways, don't see how he can afford to not cash those checks by holding out or faking an injury and forcing them to get in an ugly PR back and forth

I side with Washington and the new owner to not feel forced into a huge contract. And should he fake an injury, he's risking any further money, teams won't want to hear this.
And I'm a fan of McLaurin, great player for Washington, just happens to be 31 and in the last year of his deal that's still pretty lucrative

Jayden Daniels is a 1st round pick. The modus operandi of GMs is to exercise the 5th year option before extending. So any Daniels extension won't hit the Washington books until the 2029 season. Even if they gave McLaurin the exact same deal as Metcalf, Daniels new deal wouldn't be a factor as McLaurin could be cut in 2029, and only account for $6M in dead money (for comparison sakes, that the same amount of dead money Jonathan Allen is on the books for this season).
They can be extended after 36 months and a day
Some get theirs between years 3 and 4 including Herbert, Hurts, Burrow, they all got extensions except Tua who had to wait until after Year 4
Hurts was a 2nd round pick and had no 5th year option so Philly might have been slightly more motivated to extend him when they did
Jordan Love pulled this switch, Kyler Murray similar when he wanted his extension.
Most 1st round QBs that are likely to see a 2nd contract and get these early extensions, that signing bonus gets deposited into their bank account and that bonus gets spread over however many years, Yes they do have to play for their 4th year salary so the bigger salaries do not kick in until year 5.

Yes teams exercise the 5th year option but then quickly get the extension worked out which overrides that 5th year, that disappears unless the player and team cannot agree, Christian WIlkins -RT for Miami played out his 5th year option and then jumped to Vegas. Different positions but the same rules apply, most of he early extensions seem to be QB or maybe WR

Hurts was a second round pick so he didn't have a 5th year option.

The Chargers exercised Justin Herbert's 5th year option for 2024 and then signed him to a 5 year extension which kicks in this year and goes to 2029.

The Bengals exercised Joe Burrow's 5th year option for 2024 and then signed him to a 5 year extension which kicks in this year and goes to 2029.

For Daniels, his 5th year option will be 2028, so any extension won't kick in until 2029.

I don't think any QB picked in the first round that got an extension didn't play on a 5th year option. When you sign the extension, your cap hit for the extension doesn't start until AFTER the 5th year option is played.

EDIT: Tua, 5th year option . . . yes. Kyler, 5th year option . . . yes. The Packers didn't exercise Love's 5th year, instead they signed a 1 year extension for same cap hit as the option but paid him $2M more.
2020- Herbert
4 yrs/$26M, yes they exercise the 5th year option after Year 3...follow me because Herbert got $17M of that $26M his rookie year
In 2023, his 4th season, he receives over $17M in cash, you can see that...$16M signing bonus went right to him.
In 2024-Last year, Herbert 5th season, $56M in cash he made, $60M in 2025

Its right there under the history tab, I'm just sharing the facts, i'm not trying to have a tug of war with you, trying to help
 
The Commanders rely heavily on analytics, and the numbers aren't kind to receivers at that age. According to ESPN Research, over the past five seasons only three receivers 31 years or older have played at least 10 games and averaged 70-plus receiving yards per game; six have averaged 60-plus. A handful of notable receivers saw a drop-off in the season after turning 31. Julio Jones went from 96.2 yards per game to 39.5; DeAndre Hopkins from 77.9 to 50.5, A.J. Green from 80.2 to 34.2 and Andre Johnson from 79.1 to 63.8.
McLaurin's counter to the age concern is that he is entering only his seventh season and didn't play a lot during his first two years at Ohio State. Jones (ninth year), Hopkins (10th), Johnson (ninth) and Green (eighth) all deeper into their careers, so the mileage on McLaurin's legs isn't as heavy. He has also been durable, playing in 73 straight NFL games, including the postseason, since 2020 and has never had a major surgery.
"I'm not dismissing [age] completely," McLaurin said last month. "There are data points to support that but how come it's not OK to say this may be a different case, and based on what he's proven, showing no signs of deterioration, I feel that should be acknowledged as well. People [are] making it seem like I need to start getting fitted for a walker and a cane."
 
Paying Terry big money in 2028 is almost certainly going to be a really bad investment

How about just agreeing to guarantee him big money in 2025 and 2026? I don't think anyone here is arguing for him to be secured for any longer than that.

I just don’t know how else to say we are actually trying to do that.
"We"?

I can feel the passion! I always say "we" these days when I talk about one of my teams. I used to ridicule that.
 
I'm going to say this again:

Barring a total collapse by the Eagles, the WFT'skins are *not* winning the NFCE, with, or without TMcL in 2025.

If I'm figuring this out, Adam Peters figured it out long before I did.

Working your way through the playoffs as a WC is an arduous journey that almost never results in a Super Bowl appearance.

The WFT'skins lucked their way into a 12-win season and NFC Champ game appearance in 2024.

JD5 is a gamechanging QB. Given the state of the NFC, I strongly feel the Team is a wild-card contender with or without TMcL. It's just somewhat less likely.

If your best hope in 2025 is a wild card berth, and likely no more than 2 playoff wins, why would you mortgage the future over one Player, and one who's likely end is closer than his peak.

...and I love Terry.

...and not sentimental when it comes to business. Unemotional. It's all about the present, and the future when it comes down to biz.

I see no value in overpaying TMcL.
Washington came in way ahead of the total talent they had top to bottom, I definitely think they take a step back this year, even a WC playoff spot might be a reach
And I loved watching Daniels play, I hope they continue to surround him with talent. Not much upgrade at RB, a dynamic one would take some burden off him and the passing game

Washington was a veteran team last year, many were on one year deals or at the end, not sure who they kept but I don't recall them having a big off season.
Deebo was their big acquisition and many doubt what he will bring to their offense.
 
I'm going to say this again:

Barring a total collapse by the Eagles, the WFT'skins are *not* winning the NFCE, with, or without TMcL in 2025.

If I'm figuring this out, Adam Peters figured it out long before I did.

Working your way through the playoffs as a WC is an arduous journey that almost never results in a Super Bowl appearance.

The WFT'skins lucked their way into a 12-win season and NFC Champ game appearance in 2024.

JD5 is a gamechanging QB. Given the state of the NFC, I strongly feel the Team is a wild-card contender with or without TMcL. It's just somewhat less likely.

If your best hope in 2025 is a wild card berth, and likely no more than 2 playoff wins, why would you mortgage the future over one Player, and one who's likely end is closer than his peak.

...and I love Terry.

...and not sentimental when it comes to business. Unemotional. It's all about the present, and the future when it comes down to biz.

I see no value in overpaying TMcL.
Washington came in way ahead of the total talent they had top to bottom, I definitely think they take a step back this year, even a WC playoff spot might be a reach
And I loved watching Daniels play, I hope they continue to surround him with talent. Not much upgrade at RB, a dynamic one would take some burden off him and the passing game

Washington was a veteran team last year, many were on one year deals or at the end, not sure who they kept but I don't recall them having a big off season.
Deebo was their big acquisition and many doubt what he will bring to their offense.
Who doubts what Deebo will bring to that offense? He's just a monster of a football player. He's an intense, physical, explosive receiver that would make ANY offense better. Pick one of the 32, put Deebo on their offense, they get better. I'm talking real football, not fantasy. At the least, teams need to gameplan for him and account for him on every play. He can play WR or RB. Will he ever again be a great FANTASY player, the player he was in 2021? I have many doubts. Will he make Washington a better team? I have no doubt. Can he replace Terry's production out wide? No way, he proven he's not that type of player.

On topic, this team needs to find a way to get Terry participating now if they want a chance to repeat or improve on their 2024 season. Terry's production and route running are vital to this team's near term success. He's also extremely important to Daniels' development as a passer. I don't see Terry's future replacement on the roster, and I certainly don't see anyone that can match his route running ability. This staring contest won't end well for either party IMO.
 
Who doubts what Deebo will bring to that offense? He's just a monster of a football player.

If he stays healthy, agreed 100%. Deebo is a near perfect complement for McLauren. Oddly enough when you factor in per-target efficiency and injury risk from potential overuse, I think they each have higher expected fantasy outcomes playing together on this team than if either is absent.

Get McL on the field already! WFT? More like WTF!!
 
He’s been activated from the PUP and will ramp up to start practicing. This was always going to end with him capitulating and being ready for week 1. He’ll get a deal soon but it’s going to be a lot less than the insane money he was asking for.
Never underestimate players willingness to sit out. Especially an older player who’s already made a bunch of money.
 
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He’s been activated from the PUP and will ramp up to start practicing. This was always going to end with him capitulating and being ready for week 1. He’ll get a deal soon but it’s going to be a lot less than the insane money he was asking for.
Never underestimate players bullying us to sit out. Especially an older player who’s already made a bunch of money.

It will cost him $861K per game that he misses. Or, he can take a substantial raise that is on the table.
 
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He’s been activated from the PUP and will ramp up to start practicing. This was always going to end with him capitulating and being ready for week 1. He’ll get a deal soon but it’s going to be a lot less than the insane money he was asking for.
Never underestimate players bullying us to sit out. Especially an older player who’s already made a bunch of money.

It will cost him $861K per game that he misses. Or, he can take a substantial raise that is on the table.
What's on the table?
 
I did say usually. His hit rate is about 80%. I don’t have his track record but he called Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith correctly recently. But yeah I remember what you are talking about and he went away for a while.

Looks like he also nailed the broncos DL player, George K. From the chiefs.

He has some sort of insider connection.
 
He has some sort of insider connection
That’s the rumor.

I don’t think he’s 80%. Again, the schtick is to throw out 100 predictions & delete the 99 incorrect ones. When I was still on Twitter someone did a thread full of screen caps of his deleted tweets & called him out on it.

But whatever. It’s not a hill I need to die on. Suffice to say i don’t find him credible, so I’m not putting weight into this.

He also just happens to be throwing out the exact $ that McLauren has reportedly been seeking, so if it does come to pass I’m still not giving him credit for it - others have been throwing that number around for months.
 
Why do people prefer bad info to no info?

Can I just buy some followers, have a pig in a baseball cap as my avatar, call myself Ugly Rickky, then start tweeting?

MY SOURCES ARE TELLING ME MICAH PARSON DEAL WILL BE DONE BEFORE THE SEASON. I'M EXCLUSIVELY HEARING THE NEW DEAL WILL MAKE HIM THE HIGHEST PAID NON-QB EVER!!!

I scrolled through this latest Rickey account. Bunch of logical contract predictions that didn't happen.

Donkey. Clown. He's laughing at you
 

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