WR Terry McLaurin, WAS (3 Viewers)

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Yeah, that's what I said.

I swear to you that if you didn't post something valid but just a touch confusing in wording and presentation, then I wouldn't have gone and done all that. I was trying to make sense of your post. Then I slept for a few hours but woke up because of bad dreams, so I decided to look at what you'd said again and I couldn't for the life of me figure out where Terry had a 9.1 anything. So I began to look and figured I would teach myself a thing about WR stats like I did the other night, and also that I should learn how to be able to use tables in FBG's user interface (or whatever one calls it). So I did that and then I figured out you were talking about Nabers and not Terry, and it got easier from there.

I got rolling with Pro Football Reference and these players that the articles and you guys have been talking about having something in common with Terry. And they do have something in common. Besides Nabers and Evans, they have all played six years in total. They've all got almost exactly six full seasons of time under their belt. Ridley and Sutton lost a full year to injury and suspension because Sutton was hurt in the first game of 2020 and Ridley got knocked for gambling.

The striking thing in this was looking at Evans. I found out that he is light years beyond these guys career-wise and just stat-wise in general—he's at another level and he's a bad comparison other than for age, which I'm now thinking might be more intractable than we're giving it credit for, and that HSG might have a predictive point about Terry's contract. That said, I'm still thinking Terry gets the most out of all of them but DK, but it's not a slam dunk.

Anyway, thanks for making me think about it and do that chart. I hope people see it and that it is useful in some way, if nothing else than to bring clarity to the comparisons and the holdout.

 

[nittanylion]

It's pretty widely known that Evans gave the Buccs a hometown discount.

 

[Da Franchise]

Oh and a really good argument I heard today that I have to agree with- every team in his own division has a better WR1 and you could even argue he’s closer to a couple WR2s than those above him.

Lamb, AJB, Nabers, DeVonta, Pickens…

You can’t give Jefferson money for that. It’s insane.

Whoa whoa whoa slow down there Tiger

Lamb, AJB, Target Dependent, Hasn't Been, Not Yet Diva Potential Future AB.

No one will argue Lamb or AJB. I also get that people love those tasty underpants Olympics measurables, but Terry's per game metrics easily stack against those other jokers and none of them have been nearly as consistently productive as Terry.

And, even if you allow those last three as "better" the point that is clearly missing is there is no one close to any of those guys behind McLaurin in Washington and they're not going to find one of those guys on, or after, 8/1/25.

They need to give him his "three year, $90 mil" deal with an actual guarantee around $56 mil.

Every team in the league would take Nabers over Terry.

Sure, of course they would. He's 22 years old with a great college pedigree, I would probably take him over Terry.

It doesn't make him better.

I think he's the real deal but let's see who he turns into. He had a monster 1,200 yard season as a rookie but he had an insane 170 targets. His overall metrics were pretty mid.

I think better QB play will turn him into an All-Pro but Terry has had as bad a QB roster for his career as anyone and he never had a y/r below 12.7, Malik was at 11 last year, or a yards/target of 7.1 (Terry's average over six seasons is 8.8 with a low of 7.6) or an ADOT of 9.1 (12.3 avg & 9.7 low).

Again Terry has had as poor a roster of QBs throwing to him as anyone.

I must reiterate that I probably choose Nabers over McLaurin, but Terry is being terribly underrated by the world.

And, the bottom line is Washington has nothing close to him on the roster. They need to pay him if they want to vie for a championship while Daniels is on his rookie deal.

Oh so age matters? This is the difficulty in extending Terry. (Nevermind that Nabers is actually a freak and already better anyway)

I have been touting Terry as underrated for years. Since he was a rookie. He deserves to be paid top 5-10 even though he’s more like top 10-20 in reality. All of a sudden everyone realizes it to the point he’s now being overrated.

A lot of people seem to be missing the simple truth. Washington wants to pay him. They’re almost certainly willing to go to $28M and maybe even $30M but they can’t start there because they won’t have anything left to concede when the negotiations start. Terry’s starting at Jefferson money. He’s drunk. When he and his moron agent decide to sober up, he’ll get paid.

And, the *actual* bottom line is Terry is under contract for this year and can be tagged next year. He can either 1) play or 2) not play and lose tens of millions of dollars, not accrue a year toward free agency, only to have the same choice all over again next year for his reward.

And despite those facts, Washington still wants to give him a very generous payday anyway.

Step off your pedestal for a moment. I think most people who are wise about football have realized that Terry has been underrated for quite some time now. This isn’t some breaking news. He’s just easy to not talk about because he’s not one to make a scene. Why is it okay for the organization to not start there but an issue for him to do so? I think that “he and his moron agent” know that he’s not going to get Jefferson money but what’s the real harm of starting higher and working his way down at this point? He wants one more big payday. They realize that the Commanders are riding high after last season and that there’s no way they go into this season with Deebo and Ertz as the top options in their receiving game.

Aiyuk is a bit younger but I seem to remember quite a few people saying he was wrong to hold out for his extension last year and that 49ers would hang more in the 28 per range (maybe even lower? I can’t remember the exact details now) when all was said and done. And this is a team with CMc, Deebo, and Kittle on the roster already and knowing that their former rookie QB was going to need his first big payday soon. He still ended up getting a 4/120 contract.

Why can’t he start at $35m? For the same reason you can’t list your $1M house at $1.5M. It’s a non-starter. You have to be tethered to reality when beginning a negotiation. Washington would have to open insultingly low.

The point I was making about his agent is that he has very few other clients and Terry is the only one that is remotely high profile. He’s getting bad advice from someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing.

Aiyuk’s negotiation couldn’t be more different than this one.

Yes, Washington needs him this year. Good thing for them he’s under contract and either has to play or forfeit a ton of money. And they still want to pay him and get something done. If his side was being reasonable, this would already be finished. When he comes back to earth there’s about $60M waiting for him.

Do we know what advice he is getting? Have there been "leaks" other than the one to Schefter?

What is the bar for a holdout being bad advice or good advice? Is it dependent on an agents roster of clients? Is Parsons getting bad advice or good advice?

There have been enough reports from Schefter and beat guys like Keim and Standig that we can piece it together.

The bar is whether it’s realistic. If Parsons is being told he should get $50M AAV, that’s terrible advice because it’s 20% more than any other non-QB. If he’s being told he should get $42M, it’s solid because he legitimately deserves to be the top paid defensive player based on his age and production. You already knew this though.

 

[rockaction]

Oh and a really good argument I heard today that I have to agree with- every team in his own division has a better WR1 and you could even argue he’s closer to a couple WR2s than those above him.

Lamb, AJB, Nabers, DeVonta, Pickens…

You can’t give Jefferson money for that. It’s insane.

Whoa whoa whoa slow down there Tiger

Lamb, AJB, Target Dependent, Hasn't Been, Not Yet Diva Potential Future AB.

No one will argue Lamb or AJB. I also get that people love those tasty underpants Olympics measurables, but Terry's per game metrics easily stack against those other jokers and none of them have been nearly as consistently productive as Terry.

And, even if you allow those last three as "better" the point that is clearly missing is there is no one close to any of those guys behind McLaurin in Washington and they're not going to find one of those guys on, or after, 8/1/25.

They need to give him his "three year, $90 mil" deal with an actual guarantee around $56 mil.

Every team in the league would take Nabers over Terry.

Sure, of course they would. He's 22 years old with a great college pedigree, I would probably take him over Terry.

It doesn't make him better.

I think he's the real deal but let's see who he turns into. He had a monster 1,200 yard season as a rookie but he had an insane 170 targets. His overall metrics were pretty mid.

I think better QB play will turn him into an All-Pro but Terry has had as bad a QB roster for his career as anyone and he never had a y/r below 12.7, Malik was at 11 last year, or a yards/target of 7.1 (Terry's average over six seasons is 8.8 with a low of 7.6) or an ADOT of 9.1 (12.3 avg & 9.7 low).

Again Terry has had as poor a roster of QBs throwing to him as anyone.

I must reiterate that I probably choose Nabers over McLaurin, but Terry is being terribly underrated by the world.

And, the bottom line is Washington has nothing close to him on the roster. They need to pay him if they want to vie for a championship while Daniels is on his rookie deal.

Oh so age matters? This is the difficulty in extending Terry. (Nevermind that Nabers is actually a freak and already better anyway)

I have been touting Terry as underrated for years. Since he was a rookie. He deserves to be paid top 5-10 even though he’s more like top 10-20 in reality. All of a sudden everyone realizes it to the point he’s now being overrated.

A lot of people seem to be missing the simple truth. Washington wants to pay him. They’re almost certainly willing to go to $28M and maybe even $30M but they can’t start there because they won’t have anything left to concede when the negotiations start. Terry’s starting at Jefferson money. He’s drunk. When he and his moron agent decide to sober up, he’ll get paid.

And, the *actual* bottom line is Terry is under contract for this year and can be tagged next year. He can either 1) play or 2) not play and lose tens of millions of dollars, not accrue a year toward free agency, only to have the same choice all over again next year for his reward.

And despite those facts, Washington still wants to give him a very generous payday anyway.

Step off your pedestal for a moment. I think most people who are wise about football have realized that Terry has been underrated for quite some time now. This isn’t some breaking news. He’s just easy to not talk about because he’s not one to make a scene. Why is it okay for the organization to not start there but an issue for him to do so? I think that “he and his moron agent” know that he’s not going to get Jefferson money but what’s the real harm of starting higher and working his way down at this point? He wants one more big payday. They realize that the Commanders are riding high after last season and that there’s no way they go into this season with Deebo and Ertz as the top options in their receiving game.

Aiyuk is a bit younger but I seem to remember quite a few people saying he was wrong to hold out for his extension last year and that 49ers would hang more in the 28 per range (maybe even lower? I can’t remember the exact details now) when all was said and done. And this is a team with CMc, Deebo, and Kittle on the roster already and knowing that their former rookie QB was going to need his first big payday soon. He still ended up getting a 4/120 contract.

Why can’t he start at $35m? For the same reason you can’t list your $1M house at $1.5M. It’s a non-starter. You have to be tethered to reality when beginning a negotiation. Washington would have to open insultingly low.

The point I was making about his agent is that he has very few other clients and Terry is the only one that is remotely high profile. He’s getting bad advice from someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing.

Aiyuk’s negotiation couldn’t be more different than this one.

Yes, Washington needs him this year. Good thing for them he’s under contract and either has to play or forfeit a ton of money. And they still want to pay him and get something done. If his side was being reasonable, this would already be finished. When he comes back to earth there’s about $60M waiting for him.

Do we know what advice he is getting? Have there been "leaks" other than the one to Schefter?

What is the bar for a holdout being bad advice or good advice? Is it dependent on an agents roster of clients? Is Parsons getting bad advice or good advice?

There have been enough reports from Schefter and beat guys like Keim and Standig that we can piece it together.

The bar is whether it’s realistic. If Parsons is being told he should get $50M AAV, that’s terrible advice because it’s 20% more than any other non-QB. If he’s being told he should get $42M, it’s solid because he legitimately deserves to be the top paid defensive player based on his age and production. You already knew this though.

I disagree with you about Parsons. I have had him since he was a rookie in an IDP league. He's an excellent pass rusher with a lot of pressures, a great pressure rate, and a bunch of sacks. He's nearly always at least chipped by an RB and rarely does he get a one-on-one. It's also remarkable that he switched his position from MLB (where he would rove and tackle and cover) to purely a pass rushing DE, and he has done so. He preferred to play LB at first and I was thinking, "bad for my fantasy team, but good for your wallet, son." I wanted a 20-tackle a game LB and I got a very good top ten DE. Not the best trade-off in my league, which is tackle-heavy.

But there are a bunch of guys that can lay a claim to being the best DE and some of them are unheralded because they also do what Micah isn't asked to do and honestly can't do: and that is set an edge and play the run. I'm not an expert, but I will tell you that he gets washed out in the run game. I wish I had PFF grades, but he does—at least to these eyes. So maybe his pressures and pass rush make up for that, but he has flaws where you can quibble with him making $42M a year.

He and his agent are trying to grab the bag and I don't blame him using his pressure rate and sacks and double team rate to make a point, but he just doesn't seem to my eyes (or by tackle stats) that he's effective in that aspect. He's one dimensional right now and it has to do with a few things, some of which are beyond his control (Dan Quinn and now Mike Zimmer's deployment and usage of him on defense is one thing). But he's not a prototypically bigger guy for a DE and he pins his ears back to rush and never really sees the run well, in my opinion. I could be wrong. I'll eat humble pie if so, and this is another case of Dallas not locking a guy up before the market avalanches them and their cap. Stupid. Still incompetently run.

And that's all I got for ya.

 

[Chaka]

Oh and a really good argument I heard today that I have to agree with- every team in his own division has a better WR1 and you could even argue he’s closer to a couple WR2s than those above him.

Lamb, AJB, Nabers, DeVonta, Pickens…

You can’t give Jefferson money for that. It’s insane.

Whoa whoa whoa slow down there Tiger

Lamb, AJB, Target Dependent, Hasn't Been, Not Yet Diva Potential Future AB.

No one will argue Lamb or AJB. I also get that people love those tasty underpants Olympics measurables, but Terry's per game metrics easily stack against those other jokers and none of them have been nearly as consistently productive as Terry.

And, even if you allow those last three as "better" the point that is clearly missing is there is no one close to any of those guys behind McLaurin in Washington and they're not going to find one of those guys on, or after, 8/1/25.

They need to give him his "three year, $90 mil" deal with an actual guarantee around $56 mil.

Every team in the league would take Nabers over Terry.

Sure, of course they would. He's 22 years old with a great college pedigree, I would probably take him over Terry.

It doesn't make him better.

I think he's the real deal but let's see who he turns into. He had a monster 1,200 yard season as a rookie but he had an insane 170 targets. His overall metrics were pretty mid.

I think better QB play will turn him into an All-Pro but Terry has had as bad a QB roster for his career as anyone and he never had a y/r below 12.7, Malik was at 11 last year, or a yards/target of 7.1 (Terry's average over six seasons is 8.8 with a low of 7.6) or an ADOT of 9.1 (12.3 avg & 9.7 low).

Again Terry has had as poor a roster of QBs throwing to him as anyone.

I must reiterate that I probably choose Nabers over McLaurin, but Terry is being terribly underrated by the world.

And, the bottom line is Washington has nothing close to him on the roster. They need to pay him if they want to vie for a championship while Daniels is on his rookie deal.

Oh so age matters? This is the difficulty in extending Terry. (Nevermind that Nabers is actually a freak and already better anyway)

I have been touting Terry as underrated for years. Since he was a rookie. He deserves to be paid top 5-10 even though he’s more like top 10-20 in reality. All of a sudden everyone realizes it to the point he’s now being overrated.

A lot of people seem to be missing the simple truth. Washington wants to pay him. They’re almost certainly willing to go to $28M and maybe even $30M but they can’t start there because they won’t have anything left to concede when the negotiations start. Terry’s starting at Jefferson money. He’s drunk. When he and his moron agent decide to sober up, he’ll get paid.

And, the *actual* bottom line is Terry is under contract for this year and can be tagged next year. He can either 1) play or 2) not play and lose tens of millions of dollars, not accrue a year toward free agency, only to have the same choice all over again next year for his reward.

And despite those facts, Washington still wants to give him a very generous payday anyway.

Step off your pedestal for a moment. I think most people who are wise about football have realized that Terry has been underrated for quite some time now. This isn’t some breaking news. He’s just easy to not talk about because he’s not one to make a scene. Why is it okay for the organization to not start there but an issue for him to do so? I think that “he and his moron agent” know that he’s not going to get Jefferson money but what’s the real harm of starting higher and working his way down at this point? He wants one more big payday. They realize that the Commanders are riding high after last season and that there’s no way they go into this season with Deebo and Ertz as the top options in their receiving game.

Aiyuk is a bit younger but I seem to remember quite a few people saying he was wrong to hold out for his extension last year and that 49ers would hang more in the 28 per range (maybe even lower? I can’t remember the exact details now) when all was said and done. And this is a team with CMc, Deebo, and Kittle on the roster already and knowing that their former rookie QB was going to need his first big payday soon. He still ended up getting a 4/120 contract.

Why can’t he start at $35m? For the same reason you can’t list your $1M house at $1.5M. It’s a non-starter. You have to be tethered to reality when beginning a negotiation. Washington would have to open insultingly low.

The point I was making about his agent is that he has very few other clients and Terry is the only one that is remotely high profile. He’s getting bad advice from someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing.

Aiyuk’s negotiation couldn’t be more different than this one.

Yes, Washington needs him this year. Good thing for them he’s under contract and either has to play or forfeit a ton of money. And they still want to pay him and get something done. If his side was being reasonable, this would already be finished. When he comes back to earth there’s about $60M waiting for him.

Do we know what advice he is getting? Have there been "leaks" other than the one to Schefter?

What is the bar for a holdout being bad advice or good advice? Is it dependent on an agents roster of clients? Is Parsons getting bad advice or good advice?

There have been enough reports from Schefter and beat guys like Keim and Standig that we can piece it together.

The bar is whether it’s realistic. If Parsons is being told he should get $50M AAV, that’s terrible advice because it’s 20% more than any other non-QB. If he’s being told he should get $42M, it’s solid because he legitimately deserves to be the top paid defensive player based on his age and production. You already knew this though.

I put little stock in those reports. Schefter probably (definitely) got it from a team source and, my guess is any others are rereporting the same thing.

I do know that about Parsons and I also know that McLaurin is clearly underpaid for his current talent and production level. I know you agree with that. I am pretty sure you and I agree on what he should, and likely will, get.

If I learned anything about NFL WR contracts from this thread it's that DK is overpaid and his contract is ####### up the curve.

 

[Da Franchise]

Oh and a really good argument I heard today that I have to agree with- every team in his own division has a better WR1 and you could even argue he’s closer to a couple WR2s than those above him.

Lamb, AJB, Nabers, DeVonta, Pickens…

You can’t give Jefferson money for that. It’s insane.

Whoa whoa whoa slow down there Tiger

Lamb, AJB, Target Dependent, Hasn't Been, Not Yet Diva Potential Future AB.

No one will argue Lamb or AJB. I also get that people love those tasty underpants Olympics measurables, but Terry's per game metrics easily stack against those other jokers and none of them have been nearly as consistently productive as Terry.

And, even if you allow those last three as "better" the point that is clearly missing is there is no one close to any of those guys behind McLaurin in Washington and they're not going to find one of those guys on, or after, 8/1/25.

They need to give him his "three year, $90 mil" deal with an actual guarantee around $56 mil.

Every team in the league would take Nabers over Terry.

Sure, of course they would. He's 22 years old with a great college pedigree, I would probably take him over Terry.

It doesn't make him better.

I think he's the real deal but let's see who he turns into. He had a monster 1,200 yard season as a rookie but he had an insane 170 targets. His overall metrics were pretty mid.

I think better QB play will turn him into an All-Pro but Terry has had as bad a QB roster for his career as anyone and he never had a y/r below 12.7, Malik was at 11 last year, or a yards/target of 7.1 (Terry's average over six seasons is 8.8 with a low of 7.6) or an ADOT of 9.1 (12.3 avg & 9.7 low).

Again Terry has had as poor a roster of QBs throwing to him as anyone.

I must reiterate that I probably choose Nabers over McLaurin, but Terry is being terribly underrated by the world.

And, the bottom line is Washington has nothing close to him on the roster. They need to pay him if they want to vie for a championship while Daniels is on his rookie deal.

Oh so age matters? This is the difficulty in extending Terry. (Nevermind that Nabers is actually a freak and already better anyway)

I have been touting Terry as underrated for years. Since he was a rookie. He deserves to be paid top 5-10 even though he’s more like top 10-20 in reality. All of a sudden everyone realizes it to the point he’s now being overrated.

A lot of people seem to be missing the simple truth. Washington wants to pay him. They’re almost certainly willing to go to $28M and maybe even $30M but they can’t start there because they won’t have anything left to concede when the negotiations start. Terry’s starting at Jefferson money. He’s drunk. When he and his moron agent decide to sober up, he’ll get paid.

And, the *actual* bottom line is Terry is under contract for this year and can be tagged next year. He can either 1) play or 2) not play and lose tens of millions of dollars, not accrue a year toward free agency, only to have the same choice all over again next year for his reward.

And despite those facts, Washington still wants to give him a very generous payday anyway.

Step off your pedestal for a moment. I think most people who are wise about football have realized that Terry has been underrated for quite some time now. This isn’t some breaking news. He’s just easy to not talk about because he’s not one to make a scene. Why is it okay for the organization to not start there but an issue for him to do so? I think that “he and his moron agent” know that he’s not going to get Jefferson money but what’s the real harm of starting higher and working his way down at this point? He wants one more big payday. They realize that the Commanders are riding high after last season and that there’s no way they go into this season with Deebo and Ertz as the top options in their receiving game.

Aiyuk is a bit younger but I seem to remember quite a few people saying he was wrong to hold out for his extension last year and that 49ers would hang more in the 28 per range (maybe even lower? I can’t remember the exact details now) when all was said and done. And this is a team with CMc, Deebo, and Kittle on the roster already and knowing that their former rookie QB was going to need his first big payday soon. He still ended up getting a 4/120 contract.

Why can’t he start at $35m? For the same reason you can’t list your $1M house at $1.5M. It’s a non-starter. You have to be tethered to reality when beginning a negotiation. Washington would have to open insultingly low.

The point I was making about his agent is that he has very few other clients and Terry is the only one that is remotely high profile. He’s getting bad advice from someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing.

Aiyuk’s negotiation couldn’t be more different than this one.

Yes, Washington needs him this year. Good thing for them he’s under contract and either has to play or forfeit a ton of money. And they still want to pay him and get something done. If his side was being reasonable, this would already be finished. When he comes back to earth there’s about $60M waiting for him.

Do we know what advice he is getting? Have there been "leaks" other than the one to Schefter?

What is the bar for a holdout being bad advice or good advice? Is it dependent on an agents roster of clients? Is Parsons getting bad advice or good advice?

There have been enough reports from Schefter and beat guys like Keim and Standig that we can piece it together.

The bar is whether it’s realistic. If Parsons is being told he should get $50M AAV, that’s terrible advice because it’s 20% more than any other non-QB. If he’s being told he should get $42M, it’s solid because he legitimately deserves to be the top paid defensive player based on his age and production. You already knew this though.

I disagree with you about Parsons. I have had him since he was a rookie in an IDP league. He's an excellent pass rusher with a lot of pressures, a great pressure rate, and a bunch of sacks. He's nearly always at least chipped by an RB and rarely does he get a one-on-one. It's also remarkable that he switched his position from MLB (where he would rove and tackle and cover) to purely a pass rushing DE, and he has done so. He preferred to play LB at first and I was thinking, "bad for my fantasy team, but good for your wallet, son." I wanted a 20-tackle a game LB and I got a very good top ten DE. Not the best trade-off in my league, which is tackle-heavy.

But there are a bunch of guys that can lay a claim to being the best DE and some of them are unheralded because they also do what Micah isn't asked to do and honestly can't do: and that is set an edge and play the run. I'm not an expert, but I will tell you that he gets washed out in the run game. I wish I had PFF grades, but he does—at least to these eyes. So maybe his pressures and pass rush make up for that, but he has flaws where you can quibble with him making $42M a year.

He and his agent are trying to grab the bag and I don't blame him using his pressure rate and sacks and double team rate to make a point, but he just doesn't seem to my eyes (or by tackle stats) that he's effective in that aspect. He's one dimensional right now and it has to do with a few things, some of which are beyond his control (Dan Quinn and now Mike Zimmer's deployment and usage of him on defense is one thing). But he's not a prototypically bigger guy for a DE and he pins his ears back to rush and never really sees the run well, in my opinion. I could be wrong. I'll eat humble pie if so, and this is another case of Dallas not locking a guy up before the market avalanches them and their cap. Stupid. Still incompetently run.

And that's all I got for ya.

There’s a pretty well established order of things for players of Parsons caliber and it’s “whoever’s turn it is gets paid more than the last guy”. You can split hairs if you want but he has pedigree, production, and is in his prime. He's elite and it’s his turn. And I say that as someone who can’t stand the guy.

 

[Da Franchise]

You're an AI, right?

:wink

Oh and a really good argument I heard today that I have to agree with- every team in his own division has a better WR1 and you could even argue he’s closer to a couple WR2s than those above him.

Lamb, AJB, Nabers, DeVonta, Pickens…

You can’t give Jefferson money for that. It’s insane.

Whoa whoa whoa slow down there Tiger

Lamb, AJB, Target Dependent, Hasn't Been, Not Yet Diva Potential Future AB.

No one will argue Lamb or AJB. I also get that people love those tasty underpants Olympics measurables, but Terry's per game metrics easily stack against those other jokers and none of them have been nearly as consistently productive as Terry.

And, even if you allow those last three as "better" the point that is clearly missing is there is no one close to any of those guys behind McLaurin in Washington and they're not going to find one of those guys on, or after, 8/1/25.

They need to give him his "three year, $90 mil" deal with an actual guarantee around $56 mil.

Every team in the league would take Nabers over Terry.

Sure, of course they would. He's 22 years old with a great college pedigree, I would probably take him over Terry.

It doesn't make him better.

I think he's the real deal but let's see who he turns into. He had a monster 1,200 yard season as a rookie but he had an insane 170 targets. His overall metrics were pretty mid.

I think better QB play will turn him into an All-Pro but Terry has had as bad a QB roster for his career as anyone and he never had a y/r below 12.7, Malik was at 11 last year, or a yards/target of 7.1 (Terry's average over six seasons is 8.8 with a low of 7.6) or an ADOT of 9.1 (12.3 avg & 9.7 low).

Again Terry has had as poor a roster of QBs throwing to him as anyone.

I must reiterate that I probably choose Nabers over McLaurin, but Terry is being terribly underrated by the world.

And, the bottom line is Washington has nothing close to him on the roster. They need to pay him if they want to vie for a championship while Daniels is on his rookie deal.

Oh so age matters? This is the difficulty in extending Terry. (Nevermind that Nabers is actually a freak and already better anyway)

I have been touting Terry as underrated for years. Since he was a rookie. He deserves to be paid top 5-10 even though he’s more like top 10-20 in reality. All of a sudden everyone realizes it to the point he’s now being overrated.

A lot of people seem to be missing the simple truth. Washington wants to pay him. They’re almost certainly willing to go to $28M and maybe even $30M but they can’t start there because they won’t have anything left to concede when the negotiations start. Terry’s starting at Jefferson money. He’s drunk. When he and his moron agent decide to sober up, he’ll get paid.

And, the *actual* bottom line is Terry is under contract for this year and can be tagged next year. He can either 1) play or 2) not play and lose tens of millions of dollars, not accrue a year toward free agency, only to have the same choice all over again next year for his reward.

And despite those facts, Washington still wants to give him a very generous payday anyway.

Step off your pedestal for a moment. I think most people who are wise about football have realized that Terry has been underrated for quite some time now. This isn’t some breaking news. He’s just easy to not talk about because he’s not one to make a scene. Why is it okay for the organization to not start there but an issue for him to do so? I think that “he and his moron agent” know that he’s not going to get Jefferson money but what’s the real harm of starting higher and working his way down at this point? He wants one more big payday. They realize that the Commanders are riding high after last season and that there’s no way they go into this season with Deebo and Ertz as the top options in their receiving game.

Aiyuk is a bit younger but I seem to remember quite a few people saying he was wrong to hold out for his extension last year and that 49ers would hang more in the 28 per range (maybe even lower? I can’t remember the exact details now) when all was said and done. And this is a team with CMc, Deebo, and Kittle on the roster already and knowing that their former rookie QB was going to need his first big payday soon. He still ended up getting a 4/120 contract.

Why can’t he start at $35m? For the same reason you can’t list your $1M house at $1.5M. It’s a non-starter. You have to be tethered to reality when beginning a negotiation. Washington would have to open insultingly low.

The point I was making about his agent is that he has very few other clients and Terry is the only one that is remotely high profile. He’s getting bad advice from someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing.

Aiyuk’s negotiation couldn’t be more different than this one.

Yes, Washington needs him this year. Good thing for them he’s under contract and either has to play or forfeit a ton of money. And they still want to pay him and get something done. If his side was being reasonable, this would already be finished. When he comes back to earth there’s about $60M waiting for him.

Do we know what advice he is getting? Have there been "leaks" other than the one to Schefter?

What is the bar for a holdout being bad advice or good advice? Is it dependent on an agents roster of clients? Is Parsons getting bad advice or good advice?

There have been enough reports from Schefter and beat guys like Keim and Standig that we can piece it together.

The bar is whether it’s realistic. If Parsons is being told he should get $50M AAV, that’s terrible advice because it’s 20% more than any other non-QB. If he’s being told he should get $42M, it’s solid because he legitimately deserves to be the top paid defensive player based on his age and production. You already knew this though.

I put little stock in those reports. Schefter probably (definitely) got it from a team source and, my guess is any others are rereporting the same thing.

I do know that about Parsons and I also know that McLaurin is clearly underpaid for his current talent and production level. I know you agree with that. I am pretty sure you and I agree on what he should, and likely will, get.

If I learned anything about NFL WR contracts from this thread it's that DK is overpaid and his contract is ####### up the curve.

Keim is as reliable as any writer that’s ever walked a beat. He's mostly adding color to Schefter’s report but you can take what he says to the bank. These are the first leaks this front office has given under the Harris regime. Everything has been incredibly tight-lipped. The only reason they’re happening now is because Terry is so out of bounds they have to get their side out in public a bit so fans know what’s going on. And it’s working because the fan sentiment in the area recognizes this for what’s actually happening. Terry has been beloved his whole career and was the only thing worth embracing during some dark times, but even his strongest supporters (myself included) recognize where the lines are. His reputation has taken some hits beginning with his public appearance a couple weeks ago where he talked about it for 30 minutes. That was exhibit A in bad agent advice.

When he signs and is back in the fold, almost all will be forgotten.

 

[darksideofoz]

Oh and a really good argument I heard today that I have to agree with- every team in his own division has a better WR1 and you could even argue he’s closer to a couple WR2s than those above him.

Lamb, AJB, Nabers, DeVonta, Pickens…

You can’t give Jefferson money for that. It’s insane.

Whoa whoa whoa slow down there Tiger

Lamb, AJB, Target Dependent, Hasn't Been, Not Yet Diva Potential Future AB.

No one will argue Lamb or AJB. I also get that people love those tasty underpants Olympics measurables, but Terry's per game metrics easily stack against those other jokers and none of them have been nearly as consistently productive as Terry.

And, even if you allow those last three as "better" the point that is clearly missing is there is no one close to any of those guys behind McLaurin in Washington and they're not going to find one of those guys on, or after, 8/1/25.

They need to give him his "three year, $90 mil" deal with an actual guarantee around $56 mil.

Every team in the league would take Nabers over Terry.

Sure, of course they would. He's 22 years old with a great college pedigree, I would probably take him over Terry.

It doesn't make him better.

I think he's the real deal but let's see who he turns into. He had a monster 1,200 yard season as a rookie but he had an insane 170 targets. His overall metrics were pretty mid.

I think better QB play will turn him into an All-Pro but Terry has had as bad a QB roster for his career as anyone and he never had a y/r below 12.7, Malik was at 11 last year, or a yards/target of 7.1 (Terry's average over six seasons is 8.8 with a low of 7.6) or an ADOT of 9.1 (12.3 avg & 9.7 low).

Again Terry has had as poor a roster of QBs throwing to him as anyone.

I must reiterate that I probably choose Nabers over McLaurin, but Terry is being terribly underrated by the world.

And, the bottom line is Washington has nothing close to him on the roster. They need to pay him if they want to vie for a championship while Daniels is on his rookie deal.

Oh so age matters? This is the difficulty in extending Terry. (Nevermind that Nabers is actually a freak and already better anyway)

I have been touting Terry as underrated for years. Since he was a rookie. He deserves to be paid top 5-10 even though he’s more like top 10-20 in reality. All of a sudden everyone realizes it to the point he’s now being overrated.

A lot of people seem to be missing the simple truth. Washington wants to pay him. They’re almost certainly willing to go to $28M and maybe even $30M but they can’t start there because they won’t have anything left to concede when the negotiations start. Terry’s starting at Jefferson money. He’s drunk. When he and his moron agent decide to sober up, he’ll get paid.

And, the *actual* bottom line is Terry is under contract for this year and can be tagged next year. He can either 1) play or 2) not play and lose tens of millions of dollars, not accrue a year toward free agency, only to have the same choice all over again next year for his reward.

And despite those facts, Washington still wants to give him a very generous payday anyway.

Step off your pedestal for a moment. I think most people who are wise about football have realized that Terry has been underrated for quite some time now. This isn’t some breaking news. He’s just easy to not talk about because he’s not one to make a scene. Why is it okay for the organization to not start there but an issue for him to do so? I think that “he and his moron agent” know that he’s not going to get Jefferson money but what’s the real harm of starting higher and working his way down at this point? He wants one more big payday. They realize that the Commanders are riding high after last season and that there’s no way they go into this season with Deebo and Ertz as the top options in their receiving game.

Aiyuk is a bit younger but I seem to remember quite a few people saying he was wrong to hold out for his extension last year and that 49ers would hang more in the 28 per range (maybe even lower? I can’t remember the exact details now) when all was said and done. And this is a team with CMc, Deebo, and Kittle on the roster already and knowing that their former rookie QB was going to need his first big payday soon. He still ended up getting a 4/120 contract.

Why can’t he start at $35m? For the same reason you can’t list your $1M house at $1.5M. It’s a non-starter. You have to be tethered to reality when beginning a negotiation. Washington would have to open insultingly low.

The point I was making about his agent is that he has very few other clients and Terry is the only one that is remotely high profile. He’s getting bad advice from someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing.

Aiyuk’s negotiation couldn’t be more different than this one.

Yes, Washington needs him this year. Good thing for them he’s under contract and either has to play or forfeit a ton of money. And they still want to pay him and get something done. If his side was being reasonable, this would already be finished. When he comes back to earth there’s about $60M waiting for him.

Do we know what advice he is getting? Have there been "leaks" other than the one to Schefter?

What is the bar for a holdout being bad advice or good advice? Is it dependent on an agents roster of clients? Is Parsons getting bad advice or good advice?

There have been enough reports from Schefter and beat guys like Keim and Standig that we can piece it together.

The bar is whether it’s realistic. If Parsons is being told he should get $50M AAV, that’s terrible advice because it’s 20% more than any other non-QB. If he’s being told he should get $42M, it’s solid because he legitimately deserves to be the top paid defensive player based on his age and production. You already knew this though.

I disagree with you about Parsons. I have had him since he was a rookie in an IDP league. He's an excellent pass rusher with a lot of pressures, a great pressure rate, and a bunch of sacks. He's nearly always at least chipped by an RB and rarely does he get a one-on-one. It's also remarkable that he switched his position from MLB (where he would rove and tackle and cover) to purely a pass rushing DE, and he has done so. He preferred to play LB at first and I was thinking, "bad for my fantasy team, but good for your wallet, son." I wanted a 20-tackle a game LB and I got a very good top ten DE. Not the best trade-off in my league, which is tackle-heavy.

But there are a bunch of guys that can lay a claim to being the best DE and some of them are unheralded because they also do what Micah isn't asked to do and honestly can't do: and that is set an edge and play the run. I'm not an expert, but I will tell you that he gets washed out in the run game. I wish I had PFF grades, but he does—at least to these eyes. So maybe his pressures and pass rush make up for that, but he has flaws where you can quibble with him making $42M a year.

He and his agent are trying to grab the bag and I don't blame him using his pressure rate and sacks and double team rate to make a point, but he just doesn't seem to my eyes (or by tackle stats) that he's effective in that aspect. He's one dimensional right now and it has to do with a few things, some of which are beyond his control (Dan Quinn and now Mike Zimmer's deployment and usage of him on defense is one thing). But he's not a prototypically bigger guy for a DE and he pins his ears back to rush and never really sees the run well, in my opinion. I could be wrong. I'll eat humble pie if so, and this is another case of Dallas not locking a guy up before the market avalanches them and their cap. Stupid. Still incompetently run.

And that's all I got for ya.

Using fantasy aspects as an argument against him deserving his next contract isn't a surprise on a fantasy board.

As an NFL player he deserves to be the highest paid defender. He is that disruptive and special.

 

[rockaction]

Oh and a really good argument I heard today that I have to agree with- every team in his own division has a better WR1 and you could even argue he’s closer to a couple WR2s than those above him.

Lamb, AJB, Nabers, DeVonta, Pickens…

You can’t give Jefferson money for that. It’s insane.

Whoa whoa whoa slow down there Tiger

Lamb, AJB, Target Dependent, Hasn't Been, Not Yet Diva Potential Future AB.

No one will argue Lamb or AJB. I also get that people love those tasty underpants Olympics measurables, but Terry's per game metrics easily stack against those other jokers and none of them have been nearly as consistently productive as Terry.

And, even if you allow those last three as "better" the point that is clearly missing is there is no one close to any of those guys behind McLaurin in Washington and they're not going to find one of those guys on, or after, 8/1/25.

They need to give him his "three year, $90 mil" deal with an actual guarantee around $56 mil.

Every team in the league would take Nabers over Terry.

Sure, of course they would. He's 22 years old with a great college pedigree, I would probably take him over Terry.

It doesn't make him better.

I think he's the real deal but let's see who he turns into. He had a monster 1,200 yard season as a rookie but he had an insane 170 targets. His overall metrics were pretty mid.

I think better QB play will turn him into an All-Pro but Terry has had as bad a QB roster for his career as anyone and he never had a y/r below 12.7, Malik was at 11 last year, or a yards/target of 7.1 (Terry's average over six seasons is 8.8 with a low of 7.6) or an ADOT of 9.1 (12.3 avg & 9.7 low).

Again Terry has had as poor a roster of QBs throwing to him as anyone.

I must reiterate that I probably choose Nabers over McLaurin, but Terry is being terribly underrated by the world.

And, the bottom line is Washington has nothing close to him on the roster. They need to pay him if they want to vie for a championship while Daniels is on his rookie deal.

Oh so age matters? This is the difficulty in extending Terry. (Nevermind that Nabers is actually a freak and already better anyway)

I have been touting Terry as underrated for years. Since he was a rookie. He deserves to be paid top 5-10 even though he’s more like top 10-20 in reality. All of a sudden everyone realizes it to the point he’s now being overrated.

A lot of people seem to be missing the simple truth. Washington wants to pay him. They’re almost certainly willing to go to $28M and maybe even $30M but they can’t start there because they won’t have anything left to concede when the negotiations start. Terry’s starting at Jefferson money. He’s drunk. When he and his moron agent decide to sober up, he’ll get paid.

And, the *actual* bottom line is Terry is under contract for this year and can be tagged next year. He can either 1) play or 2) not play and lose tens of millions of dollars, not accrue a year toward free agency, only to have the same choice all over again next year for his reward.

And despite those facts, Washington still wants to give him a very generous payday anyway.

Step off your pedestal for a moment. I think most people who are wise about football have realized that Terry has been underrated for quite some time now. This isn’t some breaking news. He’s just easy to not talk about because he’s not one to make a scene. Why is it okay for the organization to not start there but an issue for him to do so? I think that “he and his moron agent” know that he’s not going to get Jefferson money but what’s the real harm of starting higher and working his way down at this point? He wants one more big payday. They realize that the Commanders are riding high after last season and that there’s no way they go into this season with Deebo and Ertz as the top options in their receiving game.

Aiyuk is a bit younger but I seem to remember quite a few people saying he was wrong to hold out for his extension last year and that 49ers would hang more in the 28 per range (maybe even lower? I can’t remember the exact details now) when all was said and done. And this is a team with CMc, Deebo, and Kittle on the roster already and knowing that their former rookie QB was going to need his first big payday soon. He still ended up getting a 4/120 contract.

Why can’t he start at $35m? For the same reason you can’t list your $1M house at $1.5M. It’s a non-starter. You have to be tethered to reality when beginning a negotiation. Washington would have to open insultingly low.

The point I was making about his agent is that he has very few other clients and Terry is the only one that is remotely high profile. He’s getting bad advice from someone who doesn’t kno

Using fantasy aspects as an argument against him deserving his next contract isn't a surprise on a fantasy board.

As an NFL player he deserves to be the highest paid defender. He is that disruptive and special.

No, and I specifically avoided any fantasy arguments that are irrelevant to his special production. He probably will be the highest paid defensive player in the league and Dallas will still suck against the run because he's probably only above-average at doing anything about it from the DE or DI positioning (wherever they have him).

To dismiss my argument as fantasy-based is to have not read the argument or to have misunderstood it. It was clear that when I'm talking about total pressures, pressures rates, and double teams that I am not looking at fantasy stats but at advanced stats that correlate with good defense. You get no points for any of those in fantasy and I went on at length about them and how he is good at them. There should have been no confusion if you made the obvious inferential leap from my painstaking way of putting of it. I said it as a parenthetical aside and if I wasn't in a really reasonable mood I'd think you were arguing in bad faith. I pointed out these things in his favor that earn you no points. But they're in his favor for getting paid, so how am I only considering fantasy?

Here were his positives or limiting conditions why he should get paid, in my estimation

pressures
pressure rates
double teams and chips
Dan Quinn and Mike Zimmer's deployment of him
his switch from LB to DE

And then the negatives that aren't fantasy-based, either (except for the tackle aside as evidence of him not being great against the run.

my eyes seeing him not be good in the run game (and then the aside was a fantasy stat as only partial evidence to one claim)
he pins his ears back and rushes so he's not as effective against the run
guys that "set an edge" better than him

I mean, how much more not-fantasy could I get with that whole post? I praise him for everything that he does well and say those are reasons to get paid.

Maybe you're the one bringing preconceived notions to the actual post.

 

[darksideofoz]

Oh and a really good argument I heard today that I have to agree with- every team in his own division has a better WR1 and you could even argue he’s closer to a couple WR2s than those above him.

Lamb, AJB, Nabers, DeVonta, Pickens…

You can’t give Jefferson money for that. It’s insane.

Whoa whoa whoa slow down there Tiger

Lamb, AJB, Target Dependent, Hasn't Been, Not Yet Diva Potential Future AB.

No one will argue Lamb or AJB. I also get that people love those tasty underpants Olympics measurables, but Terry's per game metrics easily stack against those other jokers and none of them have been nearly as consistently productive as Terry.

And, even if you allow those last three as "better" the point that is clearly missing is there is no one close to any of those guys behind McLaurin in Washington and they're not going to find one of those guys on, or after, 8/1/25.

They need to give him his "three year, $90 mil" deal with an actual guarantee around $56 mil.

Every team in the league would take Nabers over Terry.

Sure, of course they would. He's 22 years old with a great college pedigree, I would probably take him over Terry.

It doesn't make him better.

I think he's the real deal but let's see who he turns into. He had a monster 1,200 yard season as a rookie but he had an insane 170 targets. His overall metrics were pretty mid.

I think better QB play will turn him into an All-Pro but Terry has had as bad a QB roster for his career as anyone and he never had a y/r below 12.7, Malik was at 11 last year, or a yards/target of 7.1 (Terry's average over six seasons is 8.8 with a low of 7.6) or an ADOT of 9.1 (12.3 avg & 9.7 low).

Again Terry has had as poor a roster of QBs throwing to him as anyone.

I must reiterate that I probably choose Nabers over McLaurin, but Terry is being terribly underrated by the world.

And, the bottom line is Washington has nothing close to him on the roster. They need to pay him if they want to vie for a championship while Daniels is on his rookie deal.

Oh so age matters? This is the difficulty in extending Terry. (Nevermind that Nabers is actually a freak and already better anyway)

I have been touting Terry as underrated for years. Since he was a rookie. He deserves to be paid top 5-10 even though he’s more like top 10-20 in reality. All of a sudden everyone realizes it to the point he’s now being overrated.

A lot of people seem to be missing the simple truth. Washington wants to pay him. They’re almost certainly willing to go to $28M and maybe even $30M but they can’t start there because they won’t have anything left to concede when the negotiations start. Terry’s starting at Jefferson money. He’s drunk. When he and his moron agent decide to sober up, he’ll get paid.

And, the *actual* bottom line is Terry is under contract for this year and can be tagged next year. He can either 1) play or 2) not play and lose tens of millions of dollars, not accrue a year toward free agency, only to have the same choice all over again next year for his reward.

And despite those facts, Washington still wants to give him a very generous payday anyway.

Step off your pedestal for a moment. I think most people who are wise about football have realized that Terry has been underrated for quite some time now. This isn’t some breaking news. He’s just easy to not talk about because he’s not one to make a scene. Why is it okay for the organization to not start there but an issue for him to do so? I think that “he and his moron agent” know that he’s not going to get Jefferson money but what’s the real harm of starting higher and working his way down at this point? He wants one more big payday. They realize that the Commanders are riding high after last season and that there’s no way they go into this season with Deebo and Ertz as the top options in their receiving game.

Aiyuk is a bit younger but I seem to remember quite a few people saying he was wrong to hold out for his extension last year and that 49ers would hang more in the 28 per range (maybe even lower? I can’t remember the exact details now) when all was said and done. And this is a team with CMc, Deebo, and Kittle on the roster already and knowing that their former rookie QB was going to need his first big payday soon. He still ended up getting a 4/120 contract.

Why can’t he start at $35m? For the same reason you can’t list your $1M house at $1.5M. It’s a non-starter. You have to be tethered to reality when beginning a negotiation. Washington would have to open insultingly low.

The point I was making about his agent is that he has very few other clients and Terry is the only one that is remotely high profile. He’s getting bad advice from someone who doesn’t kno

Using fantasy aspects as an argument against him deserving his next contract isn't a surprise on a fantasy board.

As an NFL player he deserves to be the highest paid defender. He is that disruptive and special.

No, and I specifically avoided any fantasy arguments that are irrelevant to his special production. He probably will be the highest paid defensive player in the league and Dallas will still suck against the run because he's probably only above-average at doing anything about it from the DE or DI positioning (wherever they have him).

To dismiss my argument as fantasy-based is to have not read the argument or to have misunderstood it. It was clear that when I'm talking about total pressures, pressures rates, and double teams that I am not looking at fantasy stats but at advanced stats that correlate with good defense. You get no points for any of those in fantasy and I went on at length about them and how he is good at them. There should have been no confusion if you made the obvious inferential leap from my painstaking way of putting of it. I said it as a parenthetical aside and if I wasn't in a really reasonable mood I'd think you were arguing in bad faith. I pointed out these things in his favor that earn you no points. But they're in his favor for getting paid, so how am I only considering fantasy?

Here were his positives or limiting conditions why he should get paid, in my estimation

pressures
pressure rates
double teams and chips
Dan Quinn and Mike Zimmer's deployment of him
his switch from LB to DE

And then the negatives that aren't fantasy-based, either (except for the tackle aside as evidence of him not being great against the run.

my eyes seeing him not be good in the run game (and then the aside was a fantasy stat as only partial evidence to one claim)
he pins his ears back and rushes so he's not as effective against the run
guys that "set an edge" better than him

I mean, how much more not-fantasy could I get with that whole post? I praise him for everything that he does well and say those are reasons to get paid.

Maybe you're the one bringing preconceived notions to the actual post.

nope. you started your spiel talking about how you've owned him in fantasy and proceeded to rattle off the same types of stats that fantasy managers pay attention to.

 

[rockaction]

I had responded to the above comment but it's long and distracting to the thread. If anybody thinks I am doing what he accuses me of, please read my whole post. There is fantasy mentioned only to bolster my broader point about Micah's run defense. That's it. I discussed how he might get paid and then my counter-argument to everybody that he shouldn't be the highest paid defender in the NFL. He just isn't good enough against the run, part of which is coaching and a position switch so those aren't even his fault. I dunno. I did not depend on fantasy to make that judgment.

 

[fatness]

Keim is as reliable as any writer that’s ever walked a beat. He's mostly adding color to Schefter’s report but you can take what he says to the bank.

I just want to back up this assessment of John Keim. He's a solid, honest beat reporter and has been for years.

 

[fatness]

Washington’s owner and GM are just trying not to overpay for a player, getting close to the end.

I don't agree that Terry McLaurin is close to the end.

 

[ffmail4me]

Washington’s owner and GM are just trying not to overpay for a player, getting close to the end.

I don't agree that Terry McLaurin is close to the end.

He is in the Cris Carter/Jerry Rice trajectory, he takes great care of his body and I believe will be a great p,Ayer until his mid 30s or longer.

 

[rzrback77]

Should have said “supposedly close to the end”. I agree he appears to me to be good for several more seasons, but the team’s words suggest that.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Washington’s owner and GM are just trying not to overpay for a player, getting close to the end.

I don't agree that Terry McLaurin is close to the end.

He is in the Cris Carter/Jerry Rice trajectory, he takes great care of his body and I believe will be a great p,Ayer until his mid 30s or longer.

Link?…not that I disagree…just have never seen anything out of the ordinary that he does…

 

[Chaka]

Keim is as reliable as any writer that’s ever walked a beat. He's mostly adding color to Schefter’s report but you can take what he says to the bank.

I just want to back up this assessment of John Keim. He's a solid, honest beat reporter and has been for years.

I'm sure he's great. It doesn't mean he isn't taking the team perspective. Generally speaking if beat guys want to stay in the loop they tow the party line.

 

[Chaka]

Washington’s owner and GM are just trying not to overpay for a player, getting close to the end.

I don't agree that Terry McLaurin is close to the end.

He is in the Cris Carter/Jerry Rice trajectory, he takes great care of his body and I believe will be a great p,Ayer until his mid 30s or longer.

He had sub 4.4 speed coming into the NFL but his game is closer to ARSB, rather ARSB's is closer to McLaurin's. He runs great routes, reads the QB amazingly well on broken plays and is one of the top contested catch guys in the league. He's got three years in him easily.

 

[Chaka]

Should have said “supposedly close to the end”. I agree he appears to me to be good for several more seasons, but the team’s words suggest that.

Appreciate the clarification. Also, the team is trying to save money.

 

[nittanylion]

Keim is as reliable as any writer that’s ever walked a beat. He's mostly adding color to Schefter’s report but you can take what he says to the bank.

I just want to back up this assessment of John Keim. He's a solid, honest beat reporter and has been for years.

I'm sure he's great. It doesn't mean he isn't taking the team perspective. Generally speaking if beat guys want to stay in the loop they tow the party line.

@Chaka - Google John Keim, he's not just some wet-behind-the-ears beat reporter who needs to curry favor with the Team. He's an actual, really-o, truly-0 journalist, who's been perfecting his craft for a very long time, and who, when new Owners, Team Admin, Players, whoever, enter the DMV and join our Teams, either right out of school or in trade/free agency from another organization, are instructed that he is as legit an OG as they come. He has unfettered access to everyone and everything: WFT'skins, Capitals, Bullets, Nationals.

As a WFT'skins supporter who was indoctrinated from the time I left my Mother's womb in 1968, whose family has held season tickets since the Team moved here from Boston in 1937, who has more than casually socialized with various members of Management, Team and media for most of my adult life, due to my occupation, and who has lived 95% of their entire life in the DMV, I'd put my knowledge of the Team and the media that covers it, up against anyones.

You can do with it whatever you want, but I will tell you with full confidence that John Keim is a journalist, a straight-shooter, and a gentleman who's body of work is more than sufficient, that he's reliably one whose integrity is beyond reproach. He sees both sides, and tries, without causing harm to anyone involved, portray as accurate of a picture to the public as he's able.

 

[Chaka]

Keim is as reliable as any writer that’s ever walked a beat. He's mostly adding color to Schefter’s report but you can take what he says to the bank.

I just want to back up this assessment of John Keim. He's a solid, honest beat reporter and has been for years.

I'm sure he's great. It doesn't mean he isn't taking the team perspective. Generally speaking if beat guys want to stay in the loop they tow the party line.

@Chaka - Google John Keim, he's not just some wet-behind-the-ears beat reporter who needs to curry favor with the Team. He's an actual, really-o, truly-0 journalist, who's been perfecting his craft for a very long time, and who, when new Owners, Team Admin, Players, whoever, enter the DMV and join our Teams, either right out of school or in trade/free agency from another organization, are instructed that he is as legit an OG as they come. He has unfettered access to everyone and everything: WFT'skins, Capitals, Bullets, Nationals.

As a WFT'skins supporter who was indoctrinated from the time I left my Mother's womb in 1968, whose family has held season tickets since the Team moved here from Boston in 1937, who has more than casually socialized with various members of Management, Team and media for most of my adult life, due to my occupation, and who has lived 95% of their entire life in the DMV, I'd put my knowledge of the Team and the media that covers it, up against anyones.

You can do with it whatever you want, but I will tell you with full confidence that John Keim is a journalist, a straight-shooter, and a gentleman who's body of work is more than sufficient, that he's reliably one whose integrity is beyond reproach. He sees both sides, and tries, without causing harm to anyone involved, portray as accurate of a picture to the public as he's able.

Okay. I really wasn't questioning Keim. So, where do you think Keim got his $33 mil number from?

 

[nittanylion]

Keim talks to everyone, and everyone talks to Keim. He's a trusted confidante who is careful about what he disseminates.

Ben Standig, also enjoys the same well-earned access, as do, maybe to a lesser degree, Chris Russell and J.P. Finlay.

These are the only ones I fully trust for accurate takes regarding the WFT'skins.

They don't go to Schefter for info, they have closer access to what's really going on with the Team...I'd speculate he either goes to them, or runs whatever he gets himself or through his people, to verify for accuracy.

There's a chance I might run into Finlay tomorrow. If so, I'll ask him.

 

[fatness]

Keim is as reliable as any writer that’s ever walked a beat. He's mostly adding color to Schefter’s report but you can take what he says to the bank.

I just want to back up this assessment of John Keim. He's a solid, honest beat reporter and has been for years.

I'm sure he's great. It doesn't mean he isn't taking the team perspective. Generally speaking if beat guys want to stay in the loop they tow the party line.

Part of what was included in my characterization of him as "honest" is "doesn't pick or play sides".
John Keim is always a solid reporter. That's the reason he's often not the FIRST with breaking news scoops --- he checks and tries to verify them before reporting.
Standig is also a reliable honest reporter.

 

[fatness]

Terry McLaurin’s absence was a blinking neon sign. Since the wide receiver began his contract standoff with the Commanders, it often has been repeated that he has little to no leverage. That’s true from a business perspective, for all the reasons that also have been frequently repeated: The Commanders could use the franchise tag on him next year; he would be entering free agency entering his age-31 season; he needs to play to be eligible for either outcome.

In joint practice, Terry McLaurin’s absence is felt, but Jayden Daniels is still sharp

On the field, though, Wednesday’s practice provided a reminder that the Commanders need McLaurin as much as he needs a new contract. Other than Deebo Samuel, Washington’s wideouts were smothered by Patriots defensive backs with both first-team units on the field. Quarterback Jayden Daniels relied heavily on tight end Zach Ertz and threw scant completions, if any, to anyone other than Ertz, Samuel and running back Austin Ekeler.

 

[barackdhouse]

It doesn't actually matter if he is close to being done or not. What matters is whether the Commanders think he is close to done or not, or willing to admit as such. They're obviously going to take the position that he is close to done whether they believe it or not. It's super unfortunate.

I don't think he is close to done but I just don't think that the point is relevant in negotiations because it simply can't be proven except on the field. We all know what he has done but as far as what he will do, they can *always* point to his age and say nah, dog, sorry but go ahead and pound sand. I just don't see this working out for him.

I think he gets paid but far less than what he was hoping. I don't see the Commanders caving. I think trading him might actually be more likely (and I don't see that either).

 

[fatness]

Paying Terry McLaurin is risky. Not paying him is even riskier.
archived if you hit a paywall: https://archive.ph/LkRTO

The situation isn’t Jerry Jones vs. Micah Parsons. There’s plenty of hope, yet it’s still a fragile time because negotiations can turn emotional. Of course, Peters should want to continue the admirable work he has done to keep the team’s cap sheet clean. He has taken a few chances — rolling the dice mostly with 30-somethings, interestingly enough — but the team has no potentially crippling contracts. Peters has made no shortsighted moves. Yet the house is still very much under construction, so giving McLaurin top-five-receiver money would feel like the first giant risk of his tenure. But it would be a greater risk not to take a chance. When a team finds a quarterback the caliber of Daniels, it can’t contemplate taking weapons from him. Now is the time to stock the room. With Daniels on his rookie contract, the Commanders have a star making low-end-starter money. Washington doesn’t have to pay him until after the 2027 season. Until then, he’ll never have a cap number higher than $12 million.

 

[Faust]

With the Commanders and Terry McLaurin far apart on an extension, a Jayden Daniels clock is ticking

 

[Ministry of Pain]

With the Commanders and Terry McLaurin far apart on an extension, a Jayden Daniels clock is ticking

DK Metcalf 4/$132M and $60M guaranteed
Court Sutton 4/$92M and $40M guaranteed

That's what they are working with and obviously Terry thinks he deserves the top end
He's scheduled to make close to $19M-$20M this season, he's not going to sit out on those game checks of over $1M each week
I still think Washington has the leverage and Terry will be playing for the '26 off season...Washington has their star player at QB, the rest is fluid overt he next 2-3 years

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

With the Commanders and Terry McLaurin far apart on an extension, a Jayden Daniels clock is ticking

DK Metcalf 4/$132M and $60M guaranteed
Court Sutton 4/$92M and $40M guaranteed

That's what they are working with and obviously Terry thinks he deserves the top end
He's scheduled to make close to $19M-$20M this season, he's not going to sit out on th`se game checks of over $1M each week
I still think Washington has the leverage and Terry will be playing for the '26 off season...Washington has their star player at QB, the rest is fluid overt he next 2-3 years

Washington has very little leverage. Terry can show up and immediately report to the training rom with a sore hamstring and collect his game checks. I drafted him recently at a 2 round discount in an FFPC league and am still nervous.

 

[Desert_Power]

Seems like this should be easier to get done than it is proving. Newish owners and a star 2nd year QB....get it done.

 

[ffmail4me]

Yeah I thought this would be done by now…starting to get a tad concerned. The easiest part of our schedule is the first 4-5 games and we can’t afford to come out rusty or flat. We need to go 4-1 or 5-0 with the opening of our schedule. I’d feel a lot better if Terry was practicing and playing with the team.

 

[zed2283]

My guess at this point (with no evidence whatsoever) is that McLaurin and (most likely) his agent are being unreasonable in their contract demands because of perceived leverage due to the QB's and team's success last year. This is their absolute best time to strike. I think it takes some shine off of Terry's "dedicated, suffering in silence, team-first" persona, but also makes sense from a business standpoint.

 

[Desert_Power]

Yeah I thought this would be done by now…starting to get a tad concerned. The easiest part of our schedule is the first 4-5 games and we can’t afford to come out rusty or flat. We need to go 4-1 or 5-0 with the opening of our schedule. I’d feel a lot better if Terry was practicing and playing with the team.

I think Washington is a prime regression target too, so this isn't really a headwind they need.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

With the Commanders and Terry McLaurin far apart on an extension, a Jayden Daniels clock is ticking

DK Metcalf 4/$132M and $60M guaranteed
Court Sutton 4/$92M and $40M guaranteed

That's what they are working with and obviously Terry thinks he deserves the top end
He's scheduled to make close to $19M-$20M this season, he's not going to sit out on th`se game checks of over $1M each week
I still think Washington has the leverage and Terry will be playing for the '26 off season...Washington has their star player at QB, the rest is fluid overt he next 2-3 years

Washington has very little leverage. Terry can show up and immediately report to the training rom with a sore hamstring and collect his game checks. I drafted him recently at a 2 round discount in an FFPC league and am still nervous.

When has that story ever led to a big contract for the player?
Word would get out and he'd be flagged and no team would give him what he wants
Let's go back to an 8 figure salary that's close to $20M that he agreed to play for 2 years ago when he signed the extension
He can't expect a lot more than Sutton got, no way he should be paid like a 27 year old WR getting his 1st extension
Just my opinion

 

[menobrown]

When has that story ever led to a big contract for the player?
Word would get out and he'd be flagged and no team would give him what he wants

I wish it was true, that it would blow up in their face because to me it's fraud/theft and I hate to see anyone get rewarded for it but off the top of my head I think it's likely we saw Jonathan Taylor and Jalen Ramsey successfully use this strategy to achieve their goals.

Teams can file grievances but obviously difficult to prove someone is not impacted by an injury if they say they are.

 

[ghostguy123]

Terry is on PUP??

 

[OnTheReg]

Terry is on PUP??

Where are you seeing that??

 

[ghostguy123]

My FFPC lineup, lol

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Terry McLaurin’s camp exchange has Commanders fans buzzing for one reason

There is renewed hope, and the optics have changed completely.

riggosrag.com

 

[Desert_Power]

Going to need to start requiring links to some of this.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

With the Commanders and Terry McLaurin far apart on an extension, a Jayden Daniels clock is ticking

DK Metcalf 4/$132M and $60M guaranteed
Court Sutton 4/$92M and $40M guaranteed

That's what they are working with and obviously Terry thinks he deserves the top end
He's scheduled to make close to $19M-$20M this season, he's not going to sit out on th`se game checks of over $1M each week
I still think Washington has the leverage and Terry will be playing for the '26 off season...Washington has their star player at QB, the rest is fluid overt he next 2-3 years

Washington has very little leverage. Terry can show up and immediately report to the training rom with a sore hamstring and collect his game checks. I drafted him recently at a 2 round discount in an FFPC league and am still nervous.

When has that story ever led to a big contract for the player?
Word would get out and he'd be flagged and no team would give him what he wants
Let's go back to an 8 figure salary that's close to $20M that he agreed to play for 2 years ago when he signed the extension
He can't expect a lot more than Sutton got, no way he should be paid like a 27 year old WR getting his 1st extension
Just my opinion

If Sutton got 4/92, give Terry, what, 4/100 with similar guaranteed money?

 

[LawFitz]

Going to need to start requiring links to some of this.

Sleeper showing him on PUP as well. Can't they come off PUP at any time during preseason?

 

[dblock05]

With the Commanders and Terry McLaurin far apart on an extension, a Jayden Daniels clock is ticking

DK Metcalf 4/$132M and $60M guaranteed
Court Sutton 4/$92M and $40M guaranteed

That's what they are working with and obviously Terry thinks he deserves the top end
He's scheduled to make close to $19M-$20M this season, he's not going to sit out on th`se game checks of over $1M each week
I still think Washington has the leverage and Terry will be playing for the '26 off season...Washington has their star player at QB, the rest is fluid overt he next 2-3 years

Washington has very little leverage. Terry can show up and immediately report to the training rom with a sore hamstring and collect his game checks. I drafted him recently at a 2 round discount in an FFPC league and am still nervous.

When has that story ever led to a big contract for the player?
Word would get out and he'd be flagged and no team would give him what he wants
Let's go back to an 8 figure salary that's close to $20M that he agreed to play for 2 years ago when he signed the extension
He can't expect a lot more than Sutton got, no way he should be paid like a 27 year old WR getting his 1st extension
Just my opinion

If Sutton got 4/92, give Terry, what, 4/100 with similar guaranteed money?

Let’s leave out all the fluff…Sutton is currently on a 2 year/40 mil deal.

It is going to take DK Metcalf money to get this done and I don’t think Terry is being unreasonable asking for that IMO. I think with this player empowerment, they will figure out a way to miss games while still getting those game checks.

 

[menobrown]

Terry is on PUP??

Where are you seeing that??

He was put on the PUP list when he checked into camp citing reason as ankle.

 

[LawFitz]

With the Commanders and Terry McLaurin far apart on an extension, a Jayden Daniels clock is ticking

DK Metcalf 4/$132M and $60M guaranteed
Court Sutton 4/$92M and $40M guaranteed

That's what they are working with and obviously Terry thinks he deserves the top end
He's scheduled to make close to $19M-$20M this season, he's not going to sit out on th`se game checks of over $1M each week
I still think Washington has the leverage and Terry will be playing for the '26 off season...Washington has their star player at QB, the rest is fluid overt he next 2-3 years

Washington has very little leverage. Terry can show up and immediately report to the training rom with a sore hamstring and collect his game checks. I drafted him recently at a 2 round discount in an FFPC league and am still nervous.

When has that story ever led to a big contract for the player?
Word would get out and he'd be flagged and no team would give him what he wants
Let's go back to an 8 figure salary that's close to $20M that he agreed to play for 2 years ago when he signed the extension
He can't expect a lot more than Sutton got, no way he should be paid like a 27 year old WR getting his 1st extension
Just my opinion

If Sutton got 4/92, give Terry, what, 4/100 with similar guaranteed money?

Let’s leave out all the fluff…Sutton is currently on a 2 year/40 mil deal.

It is going to take DK Metcalf money to get this done and I don’t think Terry is being unreasonable asking for that IMO. I think with this player empowerment, they will figure out a way to miss games while still getting those game checks.

Without the fluff, DK is on a two year $60 MM deal. I agree it seems reasonable for Terry to ask for something in that neighborhood - if the Deadskins are trying to push him down to Sutton's block, this thing could drag and get (more) ugly. They have Daniels on the cheap for at least the next two years - seems like a good time to overpay for his #1 WR.

 

[Da Franchise]

I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.

 

[ghostguy123]

I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.

It's not like he has NO leverage. If that was the case he'd already have signed something. The team certainly has MORE leverage, but ultimately he can hold out if he wants whether it's a good decision or not.

He isn't the first player to do this and end up "winning" and he won't be the last

 

[Payne]

I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.

It's not like he has NO leverage. If that was the case he'd already have signed something. The team certainly has MORE leverage, but ultimately he can hold out if he wants whether it's a good decision or not.

He isn't the first player to do this and end up "winning" and he won't be the last

Exactly. His leverage is the team isn't winning crap without him. They know it and he does too.

 

[Da Franchise]

I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.

It's not like he has NO leverage. If that was the case he'd already have signed something. The team certainly has MORE leverage, but ultimately he can hold out if he wants whether it's a good decision or not.

He isn't the first player to do this and end up "winning" and he won't be the last

Exactly. His leverage is the team isn't winning crap without him. They know it and he does too.

Except he’s not going to sit out the season and everyone knows it. He’ll get his extension as soon as he becomes realistic about the number.

 

[nittanylion]

I’m sorry but there are some absolutely terrible takes in here. I’m in DC living and breathing it every day.

The team has all the leverage. He’s under contract for this year and can be franchised next year and that totals about $48M.

He’s on PUP with a pretend ankle injury. There is some real debate about whether he can collect game checks during the season by continuing to pretend but whether he could or couldn’t, it’s going to cost him an assload of money if he does. What team is going to pay a 31 year old WR huge money next year after he pulled that kind of stunt? He loses this game 100/100 times.

He wants to be here. He’s meeting up with Daniels at 6am every morning in the bubble to run routes/throws.

The team wants to pay him but his ask is so ridiculously high they can’t begin to negotiate. He has to come down first. And then again to meet them.

This idea of paying him money no other same aged receiver comes close to sniffing is insane. You don’t just throw it away because JD is on a rookie contract. Cap space rolls over and it sets precedent for the new regime in negotiations.

We’ve heard some things about AAV for a potential extension but zippy about guarantees.

He’s going to acquiesce. He has no choice.

My best guess? A deal will get done in the next 2 weeks and It will be closer to Sutton’s deal than Metcalf’s. The team will be able to move on for a reasonable cost after 2026.

Does any of this affect his performance this year? Not after the first couple weeks. Treat it like a two game suspension with the sore left open for zero impact.

It's not like he has NO leverage. If that was the case he'd already have signed something. The team certainly has MORE leverage, but ultimately he can hold out if he wants whether it's a good decision or not.

He isn't the first player to do this and end up "winning" and he won't be the last

Exactly. His leverage is the team isn't winning crap without him. They know it and he does too.

@Payne, your comment has some merit, but IMHO, in a different way, and I say that as one of the staunches supporters of this Team. I absolutely adore TMcL, and I'm very grateful for what he's brought to the WFT'skins over his time here, but JD is the straw that stirs the drink, and everything else flows from him. In relation to the back half of your first sentence, this Team is quite likely to regress in 2025, anyway, regardless of TMcL's presence or not, IMHO. While they are headed in the right direction, a # of factors are in play that make the probability of getting to, much less winning, a Super Bowl, during TMcL's 'window of usefulness' (the next 2 years, if he signs an extension) isn't likely. Again, IMHO.

Are they/do they have the potential, to be *better* with TMcL on the field? Of course they do!

...but I'm a big believer in Adam Peters, Dan Quinn and his disciple, Joe Whitt, and Kliff Kingsbury, Larry Izzo and the rest of the Coaching Staff, and that they will squeeze every inch of ability out of the hand they're playing, particularly out of Daniels, who is a unique Player with the skillset to help others play above the level they otherwise might acheive on their own...it's just that this Team, as it's currently constructed, and the development curves of the Eagles, and other competitive Teams in the NFC are in conflict with any Championship aspirations the WFT'skins might have in the short-term, which is TMcL's window (as in, he likely signs a 3-yr extension, but only plays here this season, and next before his ability fades and his time here is over).

Just so no one thinks I'm some kind of blind homer, I'll reiterate my reality/what I've been saying since 2024 ended: the 2024 Team overachieved, big time. They lucked into a number of victories, won others by smoke and mirrors, and while they deserve credit for the playoff road win v the Bucs, they played an absolutely toothless Lions Team in the Conference Semi's that might have lost to any other legitimate playoff contender, that day. While the Conference Championship Eagles game might have been close here and there, the reality is, they got soundly smoked, and deservedly so.

I think the brain trust is very aware of this reality, and that has something to do with speculatively questionable decisions already made on a relatively poor defense - letting all 3 of Jonathan Allen, Dorance Armstrong and Jeremy Chinn walk?

Even with TMcL in the mix, it's *very* likely this Team, even operating at peak performance, will win less games than last Season, and as long as the Eagles are a better Team, in their own window, and further along in it, the WFT'skins road to a Championship is overwhelmingly likely to be via road playoff games, which is a notoriously tough gauntlet to run. If I thought this Team at full strength was realistically able to win 5 out of 10 games vs the full-strength Eagles, I'd be all in on doing whatever it takes to sign TMcL, but IMHO, even with him on board, the Eagles are winning *at least* 7/10. They *are* that much better than we are now, IMHO. TMcL doesn't enhance the Team enough to change my opinionated math in that equation.

The WFT'skins football people are taking a correct, mature, big-picture, top-down, long-view approach to this Team, and I for one, am glad for it - after what I've endured for the 20-years prior to last Season? I'll gladly take success in small doses, one step at a time, with a plan in place for sustained winning over time, like the Team I had the privilege of growing up with.