If Brady had Evans/Godwin level WR's back in the day there would be no such thing as a Welker/Edelman type. I'm a huge Tyler Johnson fan but this situation is a death knell. His only chance is that they can't afford to keep Godwin past his rookie deal.I think this dude could make a pretty good Wes Welker/Julian Edelman for Brady. He's pretty boss against the zone.
Welker went for 112-1175-8 the year Moss went for 98-1493-23...not directed towards Johnson but that Edelman and Welker are not legitIf Brady had Evans/Godwin level WR's back in the day there would be no such thing as a Welker/Edelman type. I'm a huge Tyler Johnson fan but this situation is a death knell. His only chance is that they can't afford to keep Godwin past his rookie deal.
So between those two you're just over Evans and Godwin output. Who was the next WR for the NEP that year? Stallworth 687/3 and Gafney with 449/5. Ben Watson 389/6 and Faulk 383/1 were the only others over 100. That's my point - he didn't have a second WR the stature of (whoever you want to call their 2nd best guy) to compete with.Welker went for 112-1175-8 the year Moss went for 98-1493-23...not directed towards Johnson but that Edelman and Welker are not legit
As stated I was not saying anything about Johnson (or how Tampa's O will be played) but the fact you dismissed Welker and Edelman types...it is not a fluke they had these type of WRs as it was a major part of how they have played offense during the BB/Brady era.So between those two you're just over Evans and Godwin output. Who was the next WR for the NEP that year? Stallworth 687/3 and Gafney with 449/5. Ben Watson 389/6 and Faulk 383/1 were the only others over 100. That's my point - he didn't have a second WR the stature of (whoever you want to call their 2nd best guy) to compete with.
Johnson still has to get by Gronk, Howard, and Brate as established targets, and there are still others lurking as well. Oh, and some RB's - Brady does kinda like throwing to those a bit more than 2007.
Its not unheard of with Bruce Arians either. Fitzgerald and Ward.Boston said:As stated I was not saying anything about Johnson (or how Tampa's O will be played) but the fact you dismissed Welker and Edelman types...it is not a fluke they had these type of WRs as it was a major part of how they have played offense during the BB/Brady era.
You play to your talent...those are two elite WRs...if Johnson shows he can play he will get a chance but Brady's track record with rookie/young WRs is not a good one.Its not unheard of with Bruce Arians either. Fitzgerald and Ward.
You're missing the point. Welker/Edelman are 40/450/3 guys if Brady had had Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald to throw to.Boston said:As stated I was not saying anything about Johnson (or how Tampa's O will be played) but the fact you dismissed Welker and Edelman types...it is not a fluke they had these type of WRs as it was a major part of how they have played offense during the BB/Brady era.
I am not missing the point...if you have two of the top 5 WRs in the history of the game then yes, their numbers would probably take a hit (but they would still have been very effective) as would almost every WR who has ever played in the NFL...the reality is outside of having a WR corps that would be a rarity in the history of the game the Pats built their offense around having Welker/Edelman type of WRs and did so very successfully...and yes, if Welker or Edelman were playing with Godwin and Evans Brady would still be targeting them a lot just like he did with Moss on 2007...his 20 year history in the NFL reflects that.You're missing the point. Welker/Edelman are 40/450/3 guys if Brady had had Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald to throw to.
See now if you're talking outside receiver, Justin Watson says hi. He's going to have to beat out receivers just as talented wherever he lines up.Godwin is in his walk year. You have to think Johnson was drafted to possibly replace him.
I expect Johnson to strictly be a slot player. Godwin ran the majority of his snaps from the slot in 2019. They may intend to move Godwin outside more this year?See now if you're talking outside receiver, Justin Watson says hi. He's going to have to beat out receivers just as talented wherever he lines up.
They will play him more slot, but if the go 2 TE that means less slot reps all around, plus Scotty Miller mans the slot normally and he's well liked by Arians. Johnson will probably do little this year (outside of an injury to another WR), then come on later in the season.I expect Johnson to strictly be a slot player. Godwin ran the majority of his snaps from the slot in 2019. They may intend to move Godwin outside more this year?
Never heard of himSee now if you're talking outside receiver, Justin Watson says hi. He's going to have to beat out receivers just as talented wherever he lines up.
Buccaneers signed fifth-round WR Tyler Johnson to a four-year contract.
Johnson (6’1/206) was a three-year starting slot receiver for the Gophers with nice hands and size. He posted back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons as a junior and senior and holds the Gophers’ career record for receiving yards (3,305) and touchdowns (33). On tape, he uses his hands very well and makes plays in traffic, but he isn't a natural separator and has below-average burst. Despite the record-breaking production, Johnson wasn’t invited to the Senior Bowl, a sign the NFL had little interest in him throughout the draft process. He was also dinged by scouts for not competing, by choice, at the NFL Combine. The Bucs are a great landing spot in that Johnson gets to learn from Tom Brady, but his early career path to targets is completely blocked by the prodigious talent in front of him.
SOURCE: Greg Auman on Twitter
Jul 20, 2020, 11:32 AM ET
Bucs fifth-round WR Tyler Johnson is sitting out training camp with a “soft-tissue” injury.
This likely ends Johnson’s chances of beating out Scotty Miller for the No .3 role. Johnson was hyped by the Bucs this offseason after a prolific career playing out of the slot. There’s time for him to return before Week 1, but he’s missing valuable reps.
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SOURCE: Tampa Bay Times
Aug 14, 2020, 6:02 PM ET
https://twitter.com/gregauman/status/1296434499539144706?s=21Greg Auman @gregauman
Nice contested catch in traffic for Bucs rookie receiver Tyler Johnson, making up for lost time in his second practice ...
Bucs WR Tyler Johnson returned to practice.
Coach Bruce Arians said Johnson "missed a ton" while sitting out with a soft-tissue injury. Johnson had been hyped as a sleeper for slot targets before going down. He now looks destined to open the year behind Scotty Miller and Justin Watson.
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Aug 21, 2020, 6:08 PM ET
I don’t think you can expect anything in redraft. Unless there’s a major injury or 2. He’s a dynasty play. Pray that Godwin signs elsewhere after the year.Before I get excited, what's the best case for this guy realistically? With their talent at TE you'd have to think TB runs a lot of 12 personnel or lines Gronk up in the slot.
https://twitter.com/pewterreport/status/1301913033896271875?s=21Pewter Report @PewterReport
#Bucs WILL be keeping WR Tyler Johnson, the team's 5th-round pick, on the 53. Johnson had missed a lot of camp with a soft tissue injury, but returned to practice this week and has looked good – just in time. Bucs loved his game tape from Minnesota.
https://twitter.com/nflstroud/status/1308108537646718976?s=21Rick Stroud @NFLSTROUD
Wondering whether #Bucs WR Tyler Johnson may help? "You know, it will depend strictly on how these other guys play. Justin Watson had such a great camp. Scotty has had such a great camp. It’s really missing that much time, it’s going to be hard to break in there,'' Arians said.
Here’s the full quote from Arians:Godwin is out a few weeks and Miller missed practice today (though doesn’t necessarily sound like he’s out Sunday). They had been using Godwin heavily out of the slot with Miller out wide. Does that now continue with Johnson getting a chance in the slot?
Arians says Tyler Johnson could be counted on a little more
"It's the 'next man up' at that position," Buccaneers coach Bruce Arians said. "We've got guys. Tyler [Johnson] got his first action last week, he's had a couple good weeks of practice. We've got Justin [Watson] back, who's had a heck of a camp. It's not like we're empty. So we've got enough guys -- [Jaydon] Mickens, [Cyril] Grayson -- we've got enough guys to fill the void at wide receiver. I'm not as concerned with that as I would be if we lost one more."
Really odd considering he didn’t have a single official target per any box score or stats I’ve seen.Johnson had one target against Denver. Hit him directly in the hands and was dropped.
Maybe the play was called back due to penalty or something?Really odd considering he didn’t have a single official target per any box score or stats I’ve seen.
Will take a lot for Brady to make a rookie with limited camp one of his top reads.Really odd considering he didn’t have a single official target per any box score or stats I’ve seen.
There was a holding penalty on the play. Brady looked unpleased after it clanked off his hands.Really odd considering he didn’t have a single official target per any box score or stats I’ve seen.
While I agree Johnson was a good contested catch WR for the Gophers the main thing he did for them was move the chains by executing unstoppable slant routes which should be right in Bradys wheel house.Johnson's specialty in college was winning 50/50 balls. Tom Brady isn't super keen on throwing 50/50 balls. Ask Mike Evans.
True. With Godwin out and Watson a little dinged he may be able to steal some slot snaps.While I agree Johnson was a good contested catch WR for the Gophers the main thing he did for them was move the chains by executing unstoppable slant routes which should be right in Bradys wheel house.
Tyler Johnson caught 4-of-6 targets for 61 yards in the Bucs' Week 5 loss to the Bears.
The No. 161 overall pick of the draft, Johnson had yet to be targeted this season. He was thrust into action because of Chris Godwin and Justin Watson's absences, while Mike Evans and Scotty Miller were both playing at less than 100 percent. A record-setting producer at the University of Minnesota, Johnson was not regarded as a high-end athlete in this year's draft. Johnson probably doesn't have much of a Dynasty league future.
- Rotoworld