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WR Wan'Dale Robinson, NYG (2 Viewers)

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I did a search and didn't find a thread dedicated to just Robinson, so here it is.

As some of you know I'm a huge UK fan, so I love Robinson., but...........

He is listed at 5'11 185 and no way in hell he is that big. If he checks in at 5'8" or 5'7" I'm out. If he checks in at 5'9" 180 I'm still in, but not as much. If he checks in at 5'10" I would definitely take him in the 2nd round of a dynasty rookie draft. He's a dynamic playmaker and a very good WR, but I'm not drafting him if he's a runt. Just not.
 
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Kentucky is my team also.

Wan'Dale is awesome.  Can do it all over the field.  104 Receptions.  Home run hitter.  I don't see him as being one of the Elite receivers in this group.  But he had a lot of success against a very tough SEC conference.  If the measurables check out, I think he's a guy that can make it and be a useful piece to your dynasty squad.  

 
jm192 said:
Kentucky is my team also.

Wan'Dale is awesome.  Can do it all over the field.  104 Receptions.  Home run hitter.  I don't see him as being one of the Elite receivers in this group.  But he had a lot of success against a very tough SEC conference.  If the measurables check out, I think he's a guy that can make it and be a useful piece to your dynasty squad.  
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That's just it, I don't think his measurables will check out.  I think he's going to measure around 5'8, not the 5'11 he is listed at.

 
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Kentucky junior WR Wan’Dale Robinson has declared for the NFL Draft. 

Robinson (5'11"/185) had a breakout season once he transferred to Kentucky, catching 104 passes for 1334 yards and seven touchdowns in 2021. He was incredible for the Wildcats doing pretty much one thing, which was catching screens and turning them into chunk gains time and time again. There were multiple games this season where Robinson pretty much was the Kentucky offense, which was also the case in their bowl game. There's no doubting Robinson's speed and wiggle, and now he'll take those talents to the NFL. 

SOURCE: Wan'Dale Robinson on Twitter

Jan 5, 2022, 8:17 PM ET
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Faust said:
Kentucky junior WR Wan’Dale Robinson has declared for the NFL Draft. 

Robinson (5'11"/185) had a breakout season once he transferred to Kentucky, catching 104 passes for 1334 yards and seven touchdowns in 2021. 
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5'11 / 185 my butt.  Not a chance in hell he checks in at those measurements but I hope he comes close, because I love what he brings to the field.

 
JohnnyU said:
5'11 / 185 my butt.  Not a chance in hell he checks in at those measurements but I hope he comes close, because I love what he brings to the field.
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Neither Rondale Moore nor Tutu Atwell achieved their rookie hopes, and that will factor in for receivers like Wan'Dale Robinson and Calvin Austin III in this year's draft class.  (In this photo of 5'7" Rondale Moore and Wan'Dale Robinson, they look pretty similarly sized.)  I absolutely love watching both Wan'Dale Robinson and Calvin Austin III play.  I said the same about Rondale Moore last year (I have not given up on Moore, btw).  I have moved both Robinson and Austin down my draft board, for now, but their tremendous upsides will be hard to pass on.  It really comes down to what offense/QB they are united with in the Draft.

 
socrates said:
Neither Rondale Moore nor Tutu Atwell achieved their rookie hopes, and that will factor in for receivers like Wan'Dale Robinson and Calvin Austin III in this year's draft class.  (In this photo of 5'7" Rondale Moore and Wan'Dale Robinson, they look pretty similarly sized.)  I absolutely love watching both Wan'Dale Robinson and Calvin Austin III play.  I said the same about Rondale Moore last year (I have not given up on Moore, btw).  I have moved both Robinson and Austin down my draft board, for now, but their tremendous upsides will be hard to pass on.  It really comes down to what offense/QB they are united with in the Draft.
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Moore has Murray so there is more to it.

 
JohnnyU said:
I did a search and didn't find a thread dedicated to just Robinson, so here it is.

As some of you know I'm a huge UK fan, so I love Robinson., but...........

He is listed at 5'11 185 and no way in hell he is that big.  If he checks in at 5'8" or 5'7" I'm out.  If he checks in at 5'9" 180 I'm still in, but not as much.  If he checks in at 5'10" I would definitely take him in the 2nd round of a dynasty rookie draft.  He's a dynamic playmaker and a very good WR, but I'm not drafting him if he's a runt.   Just not.
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I am right there with you.  To put this into perspective:  Over the past five seasons, no receiver under 5'10" has finished as a top 20 fantasy WR, and only once has such a receiver finished as a top 25 fantasy wideout (Marquise Brown, 5'9", 2021, WR21).  Statistically, you are looking at less than 1% of fantasy WR2s measuring in under 5'10, and 0% of WR1s.  Those are not odds I want to play.  I have Robinson very tentatively as my WR9 on my early board, but he will be descending my rankings if he checks in under 5'10", as I suspect he will.

 
socrates said:
I am right there with you.  To put this into perspective:  Over the past five seasons, no receiver under 5'10" has finished as a top 20 fantasy WR, and only once has such a receiver finished as a top 25 fantasy wideout (Marquise Brown, 5'9", 2021, WR21).  Statistically, you are looking at less than 1% of fantasy WR2s measuring in under 5'10, and 0% of WR1s.  Those are not odds I want to play.  I have Robinson very tentatively as my WR9 on my early board, but he will be descending my rankings if he checks in under 5'10", as I suspect he will.
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Wasn't Carolina Steve Smith 5'9" and he had some good season?   His 2004 Season 103 Rec 1563 yards 12 TD had to be Top 12

Close with his 2008 Season 78-1421-6 (14 games)?  But I get your point...  5'9" is an EXCEPTION to WR1 play. 

 
Birdie048 said:
Wasn't Carolina Steve Smith 5'9" and he had some good season?   His 2004 Season 103 Rec 1563 yards 12 TD had to be Top 12

Close with his 2008 Season 78-1421-6 (14 games)?  But I get your point...  5'9" is an EXCEPTION to WR1 play. 
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Steve Smith and Wes Welker come to mind as wideouts who measured in at 5'9" and put up some excellent seasons in the past.  I am drawing a blank for a receiver under 5'9".  

EDIT TO ADD:  Cole Beasley at 5'8" is the best example of a sub 5-9 receiver who finished as a top 20 PPR wideout (2012 and 2013)

 
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Antonio Brown isn’t taller than 5’9” whatever his listings may claim. 

 
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Birdie048 said:
Wasn't Carolina Steve Smith 5'9" and he had some good season?   His 2004 Season 103 Rec 1563 yards 12 TD had to be Top 12

Close with his 2008 Season 78-1421-6 (14 games)?  But I get your point...  5'9" is an EXCEPTION to WR1 play. 
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Steve Smith was tough as nails.  I said if he is 5'9" I'm still in, but just not as much.  If he is less than that then I'm not, or at least not until later in rookie drafts (3rd rd or later).

 
ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay says that Kentucky WR Wan'Dale Robinson has some Deebo Samuel to his game.

While he didn't make a direct 1:1 comparison, this is high praise for Robinson (5'11/185) who had a spectacular season for the Wildcats. McShay did say that he has that play-style in him where he's electric in the open field and averaged 16 yards per carry. Robinson is far from the same player as Deebo, but the appeal to use him in similar ways to the first-team all-pro. The suddenness and shifty style that he has is another element to his game that McShay spoke highly of. With a deep receiver class, Robinson appears to be one of the gems.

SOURCE: Todd McShay

Feb 14, 2022, 11:45 PM ET
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Kentucky WR Wan'Dale Robinson reigned king on deep ball reception in 2021.

No player in the Southeastern Conference outdid Robinson (5'11/185) on deep ball reception in 2021. According to Pro Football Focus, Robinson had the most catches on 20+ yard throws last season, totaling 16. That put him ahead of Treylon Burks on Arkansas (13) and Jameson Williams of Alabama (12). He'll certainly be a name to watch in the 2022 NFL Draft.

Feb 25, 2022, 1:38 PM ET
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Kent Lee Platte @MathBomb

Wan'Dale Robinson coming in three whole inches shorter than he was listed is...not awesome.

5'8" with 27 5/8" arms is not ideal length.
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https://twitter.com/mathbomb/status/1499432285174706180?s=21

Scott Barrett @ScottBarrettDFB

All WRs listed at 5-8 or shorter to record multiple seasons with at least 650 receiving yards (since 1990):

1. Cole Beasley

/the end
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https://twitter.com/scottbarrettdfb/status/1499433265953923078?s=21

JJ Zachariason @LateRoundQB

Wan'Dale Robinson being 5'8'' isn't the end of the world. It does, however, bring more ambiguity to his profile, which is not a good thing. The best hit (and arguably only hit) at that height or lower is basically Jamison Crowder.
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https://twitter.com/lateroundqb/status/1499427656806420484?s=21
 

JJ Zachariason @LateRoundQB

(That was a tweet about fantasy football, for the record.) He has special traits, and I'm not automatically out on him because of it. I'm merely introducing the idea of it being a red flag. There are absolutely more important things to worry about with a wide receiver profile.
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https://twitter.com/lateroundqb/status/1499428094955900933?s=21

 
Didn't realize he was getting listed at 5'11" -- was pretty obvious at Nebraska that he was much shorter than that.

 
JohnnyU said:
Steve Smith was tough as nails.  I said if he is 5'9" I'm still in, but just not as much.  If he is less than that then I'm not, or at least not until later in rookie drafts (3rd rd or later).
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I'm a UK fan and based on this post I guess I'm out if he's 5'8".

 
He's 5'8 and ran a 4.38.  The UK fan in me wants to be all over him for Fantasy Football.  

Tutu Atwell is 5'8 and 7/8ths and ran a 4.39.  I was so out on Tutu last year.  

He's the 2022 Tutu Atwell.  I'm out.  *Sad Emoji*

 
jm192 said:
He's 5'8 and ran a 4.38.  The UK fan in me wants to be all over him for Fantasy Football.  

Tutu Atwell is 5'8 and 7/8ths and ran a 4.39.  I was so out on Tutu last year.  

He's the 2022 Tutu Atwell.  I'm out.  *Sad Emoji*
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When I say I'm out on him because he's 5'8", that doesn't mean I won't draft him in the 3rd or 4th round of rookie drafts.  I won't waste a 2nd on him however.

 
jm192 said:
He's 5'8 and ran a 4.38.  The UK fan in me wants to be all over him for Fantasy Football.  

Tutu Atwell is 5'8 and 7/8ths and ran a 4.39.  I was so out on Tutu last year.  

He's the 2022 Tutu Atwell.  I'm out.  *Sad Emoji*
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I thought the bigger issue with Tutu was he weighed less than an average eighth grader. 

 
JohnnyU said:
When I say I'm out on him because he's 5'8", that doesn't mean I won't draft him in the 3rd or 4th round of rookie drafts.  I won't waste a 2nd on him however.
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Sure.  Same.  I'd throw a dart in the 4th, maybe the 3rd.

 
Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline reports that the Detroit Lions have shown "a lot of interest" in former Kentucky WR Wan'Dale Robinson.

Robinson (5'8/178) measured three inches shorter than his listed height at Kentucky, which will undoubtedly knock him down some draft boards. However, his body of work at Kentucky and a solid 4.44 40-time will keep teams interested. Detroit appears to be one of those teams who are still interested according to Pauline. Last season, Robinson went for 104-1334-7 with Kentucky after seeing minimal work at Nebraska the previous two seasons.

SOURCE: Pro Football Network

Mar 9, 2022, 6:15 PM ET
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Kentucky WR Wan'Dale Robinson was a key deep target in 2021.

Robinson (5'8/178) was one of the best wide receivers in the SEC last season and is now an NFL draft target to watch ahead of April. Robinson was as good as anyone could have asked for in 2021 on receptions that went deep, reeling in 31 targets of 20 yards or more without a drop according to Pro Football Focus. That was the best in the nation, also per PFF.

SOURCE: PFF

Mar 17, 2022, 3:01 PM ET
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Kentucky WR Wan'Dale Robinson turned in a strong pro day performance on Friday.

Robinson (5'8/178) ran a 4.44 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine, but didn't participate in the bench press or three-cone. At Kentucky's pro day, Robinson put up 19 reps on the bench press, and turned in a 6.79 three-cone, which would have ranked third amongst WRs at the combine. Robinson doesn't bring a lot of size to the NFL, but is an explosive playmaker. Once Robinson is drafted, it will be interesting to see how a team deploys somebody with his size and skillset.

SOURCE: BBN Tonight on Twitter

Apr 1, 2022, 3:40 PM ET
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Giants selected Kentucky WR Wan'Dale Robinson with the No. 43 overall pick in the 2022 NFL Draft. 

The pint-sized Robinson (5'8/178) is joining a receiver corps with more targets for the taking than you might assume at first glance. The 21-year-old declared for the draft after his junior season, his only at Kentucky. He began his career at Nebraska as a hybrid RB/WR, logging a 134-580-4 rushing line and a 91-914-3 receiving line in 18 games. He transferred to UK after his sophomore season and operated as an underneath receiver. Robinson recorded just eight carries while posting a 102-1,334-6 receiving line, accounting for 45% of Kentucky's receiving yards. Robinson disappointed at the Combine by measuring just 5-foot-8, 178 pounds, as well as posting ho-hum athleticism with a 4.44 40, a 34.5-inch vertical, and a 118-inch broad jump. He ultimately profiles as a gadgety slot receiver in the mold of Isaiah McKenzie, though the second round draft capital obviously hints at the possibility for more. 

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Ilov80s said:
Yeah he’s super small. I’m not vaulting him up my ranks but he was somebody I went from zero interest in to having some level of interest.
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I'm a huge UK fan and saw every Robinson game so I would probably throw a dart in the 3rd round, but if someone I like was better in the 2nd I wouldn't select Robinson.

 
I think his size has created an excellent buying opportunity. He checks every other box and based on early rookie draft returns his market is kinda cold despite this offensive draft class already being underwhelming. 

 
MAC_32 said:
I think his size has created an excellent buying opportunity. He checks every other box and based on early rookie draft returns his market is kinda cold despite this offensive draft class already being underwhelming. 
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I agree, he should be cheap, but I can see Rondale Moore drafters having second thoughts.

 
MAC_32 said:
I think his size has created an excellent buying opportunity. He checks every other box and based on early rookie draft returns his market is kinda cold despite this offensive draft class already being underwhelming. 
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Yeah - I drafted him at 4.07 in a Zealots draft. I was not going in looking to draft him, but hard to resist the draft capital compared to what else is left in the 4th round in rookie drafts.

 
Tutu Atwell part 2?  As long as Toney is there, I just don't see a path to fantasy relevance.

 
I thought Robinson was the worst pick in the draft. Rounds higher than he should have gone. 

He's so small, and he's not a good enough athlete to make up for it. He's only got average speed and slightly above average quickness. About 35% of his production was on screen passes. He's nowhere near the caliber of prospect Rondale Moore was. This is Jakeem Grant with 2nd round draft capital. Among this type of player, Calvin Austin is a better prospect, and is arguably in a better situation. 

I've got Robinson 34th on my rookie board. 

 
travdogg said:
I thought Robinson was the worst pick in the draft. Rounds higher than he should have gone. 

He's so small, and he's not a good enough athlete to make up for it. He's only got average speed and slightly above average quickness. About 35% of his production was on screen passes. He's nowhere near the caliber of prospect Rondale Moore was. This is Jakeem Grant with 2nd round draft capital. Among this type of player, Calvin Austin is a better prospect, and is arguably in a better situation. 

I've got Robinson 34th on my rookie board. 
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Also, the NYG are a team with a lot of holes...gotta believe they could have done a lot more with a 2nd round pick.

 
Boston said:
Tutu Atwell part 2?  As long as Toney is there, I just don't see a path to fantasy relevance.
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Don't disagree, but between the pre-draft Toney leaks and the Giants trading down twice before picking Wan'Dale it isn't hard to see Toney no longer being on the team this time next year. 

 
14 team ppr league, I have 3.01, 3.02, 3.03, 3.06. If he's already taken that's fine but I have to admit he'd be somebody I'd take a shot on in that range. 

His ADP in the MFL report has him at #28 at the moment. 

https://www54.myfantasyleague.com/2022/reports?R=ADP&POS=Coach%2BQB%2BTMQB%2BTMRB%2BRB%2BFB%2BWR%2BTMWR%2BTE%2BTMTE%2BWR%2BTE%2BRB%2BWR%2BTE%2BKR%2BPK%2BTMPK%2BPN%2BTMPN%2BDef%2BST%2BOff&ROOKIES=0&INJURED=0&CUTOFF=5&FCOUNT=0&IS_PPR=3&IS_KEEPER=R&IS_MOCK=1&PERIOD=DRAFT

Side note, how are we supposed to take ADP reports seriously when some knucklehead is taking Hassan Haskins/Pierre Strong/ Davis Price #8 overall. What are people doing out there?

Early days for me as a dynasty manager but the height/weight stuff is intriguing as a data filter.

 
Don Quixote said:
Yeah - I drafted him at 4.07 in a Zealots draft. I was not going in looking to draft him, but hard to resist the draft capital compared to what else is left in the 4th round in rookie drafts.
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Going into my 4.02 pick he was on my short list (pun intended) but had decided to go with Metchie at that pick.  Then I got sniped with Metchie going at 4.01.  I also really needed a DL so I decided to pull the trigger on Jermaine Johnson instead of going WR.  I also have Toney so I wasn't sure if hedging that slot was good or bad.  Overall the small stature deterred me from pulling the trigger.  I ended up getting Justyn Ross at 5.07 for the WR spot and I think I like the potential upside better for him...even if the downside is he never plays due to health concerns.  Heck in the 5th round it's a hope and a prayer anyway.

 
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