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I think WR's are going to go earlier than people think this year and it may even be the start of a long term trend now that it costs so much to retain your vets.
You're trying to solve something at the heart of the problem of collective bargaining in all industries; that is, the workers already entrenched are trusted to bargain for those who aren't able to provide a voice for themselves in the process. Rookies already stuck into a slot aren't bargaining for slots to be removed or for a return to the old style of paying rookies market value-plus. They're bargaining for benefits for themselves because careers are so short for the majority of these guys that they're arguing for more money to be paid out of the pie. The owners can take a longer-term look at what benefits each side in any zero-sum game part of negotiations and act accordingly.
Overall I can empathize with your argument but don't you think the veterans kind of set this up in a way? Vets wanted a much bigger piece of the pie than next years rookie class, and year after that, and the year after that, etc so they were fine with making things much worse for future draft classes. Now, a few select superstars still on rookie contracts are risking a great deal to play out the end of their rookie contract. There is always the possibility they will get "Mayfield-ed" and will play hurt near the end of their rookie deal and then the negotiations start with..... "Lat year you really took a step back". Mayfield seems like a punk to me, but I also though he got a raw deal in CLE.
I'm all in on, "He finally had a good season". If you look at his career he really wants to get paid based on the fact last season was the norm for his career.
I know their recent history w/ WR’s has been to let them walk but I would think this would be an exception considering Trub’s & whatever near-future QB’s they draft will be relatively cheap.
Because that was always a big difference. Players who can no longer play, can’t be traded or cut when guaranteed contracts meet salary caps. In the NFL once the player has lost it they are replaced, but that will change with guaranteed contracts. Obviously my view, not fact yet.
Baker is one of the most fascinating stories in sports history with the walk on to Heisman, then turning around the Browns when everyone failed for years and now he's an afterthought. Almost everything is unbelievable with him.
I hear what you are saying about the great round 2 WRs in recent years. The round 2 WRs have been better than the round 1 WRs. I wonder if NFL teams are also noticing this and we see more WRs drafted in round 1 than in the past. That would be my assumption. Those guys like Tee Higgins, AJ Brown and DK would now be going late 1st.BoltBacker said:
I can't help but wonder if it also has to do with the high coaching turnover in the NFL. A WR gets drafted because he fits one system, and then there is a new system. Or a QB prefers to throw to a certain type of WR, and then the QB moves on, or retires, or turns out to be a bust. All rookies are situational but maybe WR most of all because they need so much to go right before they even get a chance to impress. If you are a deep threat on a team with a terrible OL, or a QB that doesn't have arm strength, or absolutely no running game so two S's can play deep all game you are more or less doomed. Similarly, if you are a short precision route runner playing with inaccurate aggressive QB with a cannon for an arm you are also pretty much doomed.
Fair enough. Seems like the narrative goes to the Jags for many people, but the narrative is often wrong.
There is scuttle that scheme seems to be part of the reason he wants out. It helped him put up stats, but how much more of it can he do before he breaks down? I don’t know if it’s legit but some commentators think he could be labeled a RB, which gets franchised for less than WR.
Let me just say those that have done it well for 6+ years should earn more than up and comers. Earn your way on the payment Train and respect those who have been killing it for more years than college kids who just showed up knowing how to make a really good ramen on a hot plate. Talent will win out. Money will come. Respect those who sweated and laid the golden road before you. As it's always been.
So for example you think it’s fair that Allen Robinson makes about 4x what DK Metcalf makes because he’s older? Not to mention, most people won’t play 6+ years period. Anyway my main point is good players should get paid for the expected value they provide regardless of their tenure.
Fair is subjective. Is it fair to catch a ball and make Millions? It is a rite of passage to make less than those before. You must achieve more than your older peers doing great work while on a rookie contract. This generation may just kill the fatted calf. One can only take so much of I'm the best (Fill in the blank) in the world pay me like Davante Davis ( as an example)!! I deserve it! While leaving year/years on a contract that was agreed to just a couple years prior.
I thought the MVS deal was the worst of any of the WRs. He's a bad WR. He should be getting close to the league minimum in my opinion. All those other guys at least are decent to great.
Is it fair to make millions to catch a ball? Yes, that’s what the market says. Is it fair for billionaires to determine a player’s wages for 4/5 years before they can actually be paid competitively for their skill sets? They only agree to those original contracts because they have no real option otherwise.
And there is your answer. I'm really done with this. I see you point/ you don't see mine. it's ok to differ on things.
I do see your point, and it’s not invalid. I just don’t see any reason for any fans to begrudge any player trying to get their fair compensation. Enjoy your Saturday night.
According to labor law, yes. According to the law, the fairness is inherent in the collective bargaining process. It's the procedure itself that grants the fairness and there are probably hundreds of law review papers about bargaining vis a vis people not in the industry yet. It's an intractable problem that isn't going way. But for the past seventy or eighty years, it's been considered fair for those already in the industry to bargain for newcomers' contacts.
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Kyler Murray got $189M guaranteed of his $235M, that's a much higher percentage than what we've seen previous to Watson's deal.
