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I don't understand this. I mean, I think it's likely to leak (or at least some crappy recording gets out), but why would you root for it to happen? If you make a product, shouldn't you be able to have a say in how it is distributed?I hope it leaks before it's sold.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the "leak" wound up being stage-managed, probably in the days leading up to the "sale". At least, that's what I'd do if I were marketing this bad boy. Probably make more money by "relenting" and putting it out somewhere for download at the time of maximum buzz than you would by pawning the original off on one guy anyway.Good idea. Won't work. It will leak.
I like Wu-Tang more than most present-day hip-hop, but this still made meI'd buy it. Then I would blast it to the moon to save earth the torture of having to listen to it. Maybe I'll keep the box.
What's the point of spending a boatload of money on this and then leaking a song?im sure whoever buys it will leak it., if anything they wont leak the entire album
if I had the money to spend on something like this and was a true wu fan.. id share it but i can see what you're saying.. all depends on the persons motivesWhat's the point of spending a boatload of money on this and then leaking a song?im sure whoever buys it will leak it., if anything they wont leak the entire album
Wouldn't you just rather sell each song?
Yeah, I also hate it when artists are honest and forthright. One thing that you find in all great art is a complete lack of integrity.If I was a fan of Wu-Tang, I would be irritated that they are so obvious about making music just for the money. At least pretend like you care about the fans like most bands do.
Excuse me because I didn't read the whole article but it sounds like you're saying you pay $20 to listen to the album once? Is that right?Not sure what to make of this...I certainly wont be buying the single copy, but Id throw down $20 to listen on headphones at the kind of thing theyre describing.
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It will leak no matter what they do. I think this is partly a reaction to that -- so they're going to get paid a fortune (initial estimates are low seven figures) up front. With no middle man.Good idea. Won't work. It will leak.
Yea, I think the intent is to have it travel around like a King Tut exhibit all across the world.Excuse me because I didn't read the whole article but it sounds like you're saying you pay $20 to listen to the album once? Is that right?Not sure what to make of this...I certainly wont be buying the single copy, but Id throw down $20 to listen on headphones at the kind of thing theyre describing.
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Maybe they liken their album to a painting. There is only one original, There could be many inferior copies.If I was a fan of Wu-Tang, I would be irritated that they are so obvious about making music just for the money. At least pretend like you care about the fans like most bands do.
Yeah, I haven't listened 36 chambers in a while but the one thing that has always stood out to me about their lyrics was the Wu's integrity.Yeah, I also hate it when artists are honest and forthright. One thing that you find in all great art is a complete lack of integrity.If I was a fan of Wu-Tang, I would be irritated that they are so obvious about making music just for the money. At least pretend like you care about the fans like most bands do.
Like McGarnicle, I cannot imagine paying $20 to listen to any album one time.Yeah, I haven't listened 36 chambers in a while but the one thing that has always stood out to me about their lyrics was the Wu's integrity.Yeah, I also hate it when artists are honest and forthright. One thing that you find in all great art is a complete lack of integrity.If I was a fan of Wu-Tang, I would be irritated that they are so obvious about making music just for the money. At least pretend like you care about the fans like most bands do.
Yeah, except there are millions of copies of true classic albums in circulation. This would have to be the finest collection of music ever recorded to warrant this treatment. Anything less and they look like idiots.Maybe they liken their album to a painting. There is only one original, There could be many inferior copies.If I was a fan of Wu-Tang, I would be irritated that they are so obvious about making music just for the money. At least pretend like you care about the fans like most bands do.
Kinda, yeah.It seems absurd to spend $20 to listen to an album once just because we're not accustomed to the idea. People pay almost that much to see a movie once. What if the Wu-Tang album was played in a movie theater while some old Kung-Fu movie was projected on the screen? Still absurd?
In that context, it would be something similar to a Pink Floyd laser show, or a movie theater viewing of The Wall. In other words, what you're describing has been done before, but the album itself is still available for separate purchase.It seems absurd to spend $20 to listen to an album once just because we're not accustomed to the idea. People pay almost that much to see a movie once. What if the Wu-Tang album was played in a movie theater while some old Kung-Fu movie was projected on the screen? Still absurd?
Isn't that why they put on concerts?It seems absurd to spend $20 to listen to an album once just because we're not accustomed to the idea. People pay almost that much to see a movie once. What if the Wu-Tang album was played in a movie theater while some old Kung-Fu movie was projected on the screen? Still absurd?
No, it's not absurd because we're not accustomed to it. It's just absurd. I can buy most albums digitally for around $10 and I can listen to it as often as I like. Why would I ever pay more for less?It seems absurd to spend $20 to listen to an album once just because we're not accustomed to the idea. People pay almost that much to see a movie once. What if the Wu-Tang album was played in a movie theater while some old Kung-Fu movie was projected on the screen? Still absurd?
Right, the question is whether there's something inherent about music and film that makes this true, or whether it's just due to our ingrained expectations from many years of having it be this way. I don't really know, but it's sort of an interesting thought experiment.I think the difference from the standpoint of consumer demand is that lots of people are completely happy to see a particular movie once and once only, whereas those same people want the ability to listen to an album over and over again.
I'd buy it. Then I would blast it to the moon to save earth the torture of having to listen to it. Maybe I'll keep the box.
I assume because you really want to listen to this particular album and it is not being made available through normal channels.No, it's not absurd because we're not accustomed to it. It's just absurd. I can buy most albums digitally for around $10 and I can listen to it as often as I like. Why would I ever pay more for less?It seems absurd to spend $20 to listen to an album once just because we're not accustomed to the idea. People pay almost that much to see a movie once. What if the Wu-Tang album was played in a movie theater while some old Kung-Fu movie was projected on the screen? Still absurd?
Music is consumed differently than other mediums. But yeah, I don't go to museums to look at art very much either...by that I mean never.I assume because you really want to listen to this particular album and it is not being made available through normal channels.No, it's not absurd because we're not accustomed to it. It's just absurd. I can buy most albums digitally for around $10 and I can listen to it as often as I like. Why would I ever pay more for less?It seems absurd to spend $20 to listen to an album once just because we're not accustomed to the idea. People pay almost that much to see a movie once. What if the Wu-Tang album was played in a movie theater while some old Kung-Fu movie was projected on the screen? Still absurd?
"I can go look at free paintings pretty much any time I want at art galleries. Why would I pay to go to an art museum?"
They might be idiots. Still this may be what they are striving for.Yeah, except there are millions of copies of true classic albums in circulation. This would have to be the finest collection of music ever recorded to warrant this treatment. Anything less and they look like idiots.Maybe they liken their album to a painting. There is only one original, There could be many inferior copies.If I was a fan of Wu-Tang, I would be irritated that they are so obvious about making music just for the money. At least pretend like you care about the fans like most bands do.
Who says theyre doing the bolded?If my favorite band gave me the option of paying millions for the single copy of their new album, or pay an admission fee to listen once on headphones, they wouldn't be my favorite band anymore.
the articleWho says theyre doing the bolded?If my favorite band gave me the option of paying millions for the single copy of their new album, or pay an admission fee to listen once on headphones, they wouldn't be my favorite band anymore.
According to RZA and the album’s main producer Tarik “Cilvaringz” Azzougarh, a Morocco-based part of Wu-Tang’s extended family, the plan is to first take Once Upon A Time In Shaolin on a “tour” through museums, galleries, festivals and the like. Just like a high-profile exhibit at a major institution, there will be a cost to attend, likely in the $30-$50 range.
I agree with your particular point of view on this subject.Dumb.
http://scluzay.com/History demonstrates that great musicians such as Beethoven, Mozart and Bach are held in the same high esteem as figures like Picasso, Michelangelo and Van Gogh. However, the creative output of today’s artists such as The RZA, Kanye West or Dr. Dre, is not valued equally to that of artists like Andy Warhol, Damien Hirst or Jean-Michel Basquiat.
Is exclusivity versus mass replication really the 50 million dollar difference between a microphone and a paintbrush? Is contemporary art overvalued in an exclusive market, or are musicians undervalued in a profoundly saturated market? By adopting a 400 year old Renaissance-style approach to music, offering it as a commissioned commodity and allowing it to take a similar trajectory from creation to exhibition to sale, as any other contemporary art piece, we hope to inspire and intensify urgent debates about the future of music. We hope to steer those debates toward more radical solutions and provoke questions about the value and perception of music as a work of art in today’s world.
While we fully embrace the advancements in music technology, we feel it has contributed to the devaluation of music as an art form. By taking this step, we hope to re-enforce the weight that music once carried alongside a painting or a sculpture. The album will be put on listening display in renowned galleries, museums, venues and exhibition spaces around the world for only the most dedicated to experience before it disappears into the private collection of a buyer. The public will know that what they will hear will be a once in a life time experience.
A notable few have explored original and creative economic models. Prince, Radiohead and more recently Jay Z and Beyonce have all introduced new financial and distribution models and challenged the industry structure. In 1993, the Wu-Tang Clan introduced the revolutionary ‘Wu-Tang deal’ which allowed the group to sign with one record label as an entity, but sign separate deals with other major labels for solo releases. It was an approach adopted by many groups that followed. Now 21 years later a new approach is introduced, one where the pride and joy of sharing music with the masses is sacrificed for the benefit of reviving music as a valuable art and inspiring debate about its future among musicians, fans and the industry that drives it. Simultaneously, it launches the private music branch as a new luxury business model for those able to commission musicians to create songs or albums for private collections. It is a fascinating melting pot of art, luxury, revolution and inspiration. It’s welcoming people to an old world.“
-Cilvaringz & The RZA