xbox one vs ps4 (1 Viewer)

[Worm]

Sony wouldn't do that! They are the people's champion!

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Sony wouldn't do that! They are the people's champion!

Nope, they're a business. If they can successfully corral people into their own proprietary music service, they'll probably do so. The more the PS4 pulls away from the XO in terms of quality and especially sales, the more Sony is going to tempted to nickel and dime people like this.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Sony finally came clean on a few things that they'd been mum on.

• No youtube uploads, at least at launch
• All games require install (but you can play during install)
• No external storage support (can still replace internal HDD)
• No DLNA support at all
• No music visualizer
• No more dynamic themes
• No .mp3 playback

Really gotta say that the more and more I hear about Playstation 4, the more I know it's not what I was hoping for. Recent weeks have swayed me over to leaning Xbox One, although I won't be buying at launch or for a while after (if at all).

Whats the big deal with downloading a game if you can still play it?

The bolded...what are they?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Sony finally came clean on a few things that they'd been mum on.

• No youtube uploads, at least at launch
• All games require install (but you can play during install)
• No external storage support (can still replace internal HDD)
• No DLNA support at all
• No music visualizer
• No more dynamic themes
• No .mp3 playback

Really gotta say that the more and more I hear about Playstation 4, the more I know it's not what I was hoping for. Recent weeks have swayed me over to leaning Xbox One, although I won't be buying at launch or for a while after (if at all).

Whats the big deal with downloading a game if you can still play it?

The bolded...what are they?

Required installs are very mildly annoying because they eat up hard drive space. Lets say you have a 500 GB HD (I think that's what both consoles are shipping with -- not 100% sure). A lot of next-gen games seem to have installs approaching 50 GBs. That means that once you install 10 games -- really more like 9 because some of that HD space has to go to things like the OS and game saves -- you'll have to go back and delete stuff to make room. Not a big deal until you decide to go back and pick up an old game and have to re-install it and mess around with finding HD space.

DLNA is what allows you to stream music and videos to your console from your PC. Right now, I can open up my PS3 and view all the music files that I have stored on my PC (this requires a little tinkering to get it set up, but it's easy). I can play those files over my home wireless network, or I can also transfer them wirelessly if I want. The PS4 won't do that. I don't think the XO completely does that either. From what I understand, you can start a song on your PC and then pick it up on your XO, but you can't browse and initiate a stream from the XO. That's still more functionality than what Sony is offering at the moment though.

I don't know what a music visualizer is.

When you turn on your PS3 and you're sitting there in the "menu" section, you can choose a picture or theme to use as your background, like wallpaper for your computer. A "dynamic theme" has little moving pieces in the background, like a wallpaper with little goldfish swimming around. I guess for some reason those are going away on the PS4. I couldn't care less about that part.

 

[Apes with Guns]

Titanfall will only be released on XB1, 360, and PC

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/29/titanfall-xbox-one-360-pc-exclusive/

Titanfall will only be released on XB1, 360, and PC

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/29/titanfall-xbox-one-360-pc-exclusive/

but the sequel won't.

who knows

No one, for sure, but this article gave me some hope

http://kotaku.com/dont-expect-titanfall-2-to-be-a-microsoft-exclusive-1454392369

 

[Apes with Guns]

Sony finally came clean on a few things that they'd been mum on.

• No youtube uploads, at least at launch
• All games require install (but you can play during install)
• No external storage support (can still replace internal HDD)
• No DLNA support at all
• No music visualizer
• No more dynamic themes
• No .mp3 playback

Really gotta say that the more and more I hear about Playstation 4, the more I know it's not what I was hoping for. Recent weeks have swayed me over to leaning Xbox One, although I won't be buying at launch or for a while after (if at all).

but if you pay for the premium service, don't you get online saves?

 

[madshot31]

Sony finally came clean on a few things that they'd been mum on.

• No youtube uploads, at least at launch
• All games require install (but you can play during install)
• No external storage support (can still replace internal HDD)
• No DLNA support at all
• No music visualizer
• No more dynamic themes
• No .mp3 playback

Really gotta say that the more and more I hear about Playstation 4, the more I know it's not what I was hoping for. Recent weeks have swayed me over to leaning Xbox One, although I won't be buying at launch or for a while after (if at all).

This has been the general theme with all my friends and I. We all had pre orders of PS4 and now have canceled them and switched them to Xbox One or none until Titanfall.

 

[NCCommish]

Sony wouldn't do that! They are the people's champion!

Nope, they're a business. If they can successfully corral people into their own proprietary music service, they'll probably do so. The more the PS4 pulls away from the XO in terms of quality and especially sales, the more Sony is going to tempted to nickel and dime people like this.

For 32 months in a row Xbox outsold Sony in the US. It took a special bundle including the new GTA to dethrone them last month. I don't think it's at all clear there are significant differences in quality of the new consoles when we get to actual game play. And I don't think Sony is really killing MS sales wise. Especially given the fact that they are roughly neck and neck in pre-orders for the new consoles. Both are sitting around a million pre-orders right now.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Sony wouldn't do that! They are the people's champion!

Nope, they're a business. If they can successfully corral people into their own proprietary music service, they'll probably do so. The more the PS4 pulls away from the XO in terms of quality and especially sales, the more Sony is going to tempted to nickel and dime people like this.

For 32 months in a row Xbox outsold Sony in the US. It took a special bundle including the new GTA to dethrone them last month. I don't think it's at all clear there are significant differences in quality of the new consoles when we get to actual game play. And I don't think Sony is really killing MS sales wise. Especially given the fact that they are roughly neck and neck in pre-orders for the new consoles. Both are sitting around a million pre-orders right now.

Sales numbers at launch don't mean anything. Right now both firms are capacity-constrained and can literally sell as many consoles as they can produce.

As for quality, that's been covered already. Xbox is spotting Playstation 50% more picture on BF (720 -> 900) and 125% more picture on COD (720 -> 1080). It's possible that that's just due to developers having a tougher time optimizing for the XO, in which case that gap may narrow or disappear down the road. Or it may be purely hardware-driven and it's going to be permanent, or somewhere in between. But it's still pretty amazing that there's that big a difference in terms of performance. To put it in perspective, the pixel gap between the PS4 and XO on COD is actually larger than the gap between the PS360 and the Wii.

Whether that translates into sales or not, who knows. None of us should be rooting for one firm to completely pull away. If it wasn't for competition from Microsoft and XBL, PS Plus probably wouldn't exist. If it wasn't for competition from Sony, every XO title would probably come packaged with DRM. Unless you own stock in one company or the other, you should prefer two healthy competitors to a monopoly.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

A big PS4 FAQ...

AQ covers Ultra HD, 3D, audio CDs, headsets, PS3 accessories, region locks and much more.

Sony has released a massive FAQ for the PS4, only some of which is included below. Some key notes include the lack of any kind of remote control for the PS4 at launch, only 4K "considered" video support, stereoscopic 3D supported, but no launch content, day-one update needed for Blu-ray and DVD playback, but some workaround options offered, regional lock system similar to PS3 (rare), forced automatic updates for all users for the system and for games, some backwards compatibility for fight sticks and wheels (game and developer specific), no game resume feature at launch, plus spotty support for PlayAsYouDownload, no YouTube Sharing support at launch, mandatory game installs, no media server support, controller headset can play game audio, and unlikely but possible Online Pass system.

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Get the Blu-ray November 5th


The full FAQ features specs, launch titles, titles in development and more. What's below are just highlights:

What comes in the PS4 box at launch?
You’ll get a PS4 system with a 500GB hard drive, a DUALSHOCK 4 wireless controller, a micro-USB cable for charging the DUALSHOCK 4 controller, a Mono-headset for voice chat, a power cable (1.5m), and an HDMI cable (2.0m).
Will PS4 support 4K content for video or gaming?


Support for high-resolution 4K output for still images and movie content is in consideration, but there are no further details to share at this time. PS4 does not currently support 4K output for games.

Do I need to “reset” my video settings if I change TVs, as on PS3?
This process will not be necessary for PS4.
Will PS4 support any 3D content, including stereoscopic 3D games?


Technically, PS4 supports 3D gameplay at launch in North America, though no launch titles are currently 3D compatible.

What are the benefits of PS4’s new Blu-ray Disc technology?
PS4’s Blu-ray Disc reader operates at a higher speed than the model featured in the PS3 system, and includes a range of Blu-ray Disc sizes.
When playing disc-based games on PS4, do I need to install data to the hard drive?
Yes, all PS4 Blu-ray Disc games must be cached to the hard drive to ensure a smooth gaming experience. However, certain titles may not require you to wait for the game data to be fully cached before starting gameplay. In order to start playing disc-based games, users will need to insert the game disc into PS4 just like on the PS3 system.
What if I’m not able to or don’t want to connect my PS4 system online?
PS4 owners in North America can contact SCEA Consumer Services at (800) 345-7669 to request a Blu-ray activation disc that will be distributed via mail.
Can I listen to audio CDs using PS4?
No, PS4 does not support audio CDs.
Will I be able to install system software update 1.50 via a USB drive?
Yes, you will be able to download the firmware to your PC and transfer it to PS4 using a USB memory stick. However, to use the USB method the first time you take PS4 out of the box and before installing system software update 1.50, you’ll need to enable safe mode. When PS4 is powered off, press and hold the Power Button for seven seconds to enter safe mode. Note: Users should only update using official files downloaded from PlayStation.com.
Which PS4 features will be available at launch in North America?
The majority of new features that have been announced will be available when PS4 launches. These features include background downloads, cross-game voice chat, transitioning to a network based on real-world friends, and live streaming gameplay footage via Ustream and Twitch. Additional PS4 features will be rolled out in phases – please read full details on what’s available following system software update 1.5, and follow PlayStation.Blog and PlayStation.com for further news.


What PS4 software features have been announced, but won’t be available at launch in North America?

Below is an overview of certain features that have been announced that will not be available when PS4 launches in North America.
Share controller via the internet to assist a friend
Suspend/Resume mode
Wireless Stereo Headsets support
Wireless Stereo Headset
Pulse Wired Stereo Headset
Pulse Wireless Stereo Headset Elite Edition
Is there a way to rename my Online ID on PS4?
No. But PS4 does give you the option of allowing your friends to see your real name in addition to your Online ID. You can also choose to import your Facebook photo to be used as your PSN profile picture if you wish.
Does PS4’s graphical user interface have a name like the PS3 system’s “Cross Media Bar”?
PS4’s GUI is called
PlayStation Dynamic Menu
. We developed the new GUI based on key development ideas for PS4: Simple, Immediate, Social, Integrated, and Personalized.
Will PS4 support media servers or DLNA support in order to stream videos or movies from a home PC?


The PS4 system does not support client functionality for media servers.

Will any PlayStation Store content purchased on PS3 or PS Vita systems be transferable to a PS4 system?
In some cases, yes. For example, a selection of popular digital titles including Flower, flOw, Escape Plan and Sound Shapes will be available to purchase on PS4 after launch. Gamers who purchased these titles for the PS3 or PS Vita systems (the PS Vita system only, in the case of Escape Plan) will be able to download the PS4 versions of these titles, some of which feature enhanced graphics or improved features, to their PS4 systems for no additional charge.
I heard I can “upgrade” certain PS3 games to work on a PS4 system? How does that work?
Yes, for a limited time and with a $9.99 upgrade fee, you can digitally “upgrade” your purchase of three currently supported games: Call of Duty: Ghosts, Assassin’s Creed IV Black Flag, and Battlefield 4 to its full PS4 version. Click here for further details.
Can PS4 and PS3 users play together online, cross-platform?
The functionality is technically possible and some developers may choose to support it for their titles.
Will PS4 allow me to suspend and resume my progress across different games?


This feature will not be available at launch.

Will any PS4 titles use an Online Pass?
First-party titles on PS4 (titles developed by Sony Computer Entertainment) will not use an Online Pass program. When it comes to third-party titles, PlayStation won’t dictate the strategy of publishers concerning Online Pass programs. However, most third parties have phased out the use of Online Pass systems, so they’re unlikely to appear on PS4.


Do PS4 games have regional locks?

In general, neither digital nor disc-based games will be region locked, but PlayStation recommends that all users purchase games at the region of their residence to guarantee the best overall experience and customer service. In certain instances, a software publisher may choose to region lock a game title for specific reasons, but Sony Computer Entertainment expects these instances to be uncommon.
Will PS4 be able to automatically download system software updates?


Yes, system software updates will be automatically downloaded for all users.

Will PS4 be able to automatically download game patches?
Yes, all PS4 users will be able to automatically download and install game patches to their PS4. In addition, PlayStation Plus members will enjoy the ability to have those automatic downloads happen while the system is in standby mode.
Will users have the option of setting the frequency and timings of auto detection, download, and installs?


No.

Can I continue playing on a PS4 while a game patch is being auto detected, downloaded, and installed?
Yes, you can continue playing on PS4 while the game’s patch is being auto detected and downloaded. But depending on the game, you not be able to access online features until all the update data is installed. To install any game patch, users must close the game.
Does PS4 have to be always turned on to automatically download game patches?
No, PlayStation Plus members can take advantage of this feature even when PS4 is in standby mode.
Will PS4 include a web browser?
Yes, the PS4 system comes with a web browser, which is based on webkit technology and is faster and more compatible than the browser that comes with PS3.
Can users switch the light bar off and on?
No. The light bar also serves as an indication of whether the DUALSHOCK 4 controller is turned on. Across different games, the color and brightness of the light bar on the DUALSHOCK 4 controller can be adjusted by game developers, but it cannot be completely switched off.
Will the DUALSHOCK 4 controller’s 3.5mm headset jack support other headsets or headphones?
The PS Vita system’s headset is fully supported. Some other third-party headsets may support basic audio and chat functionality on PS4, but Sony Computer Entertainment cannot guarantee it.
Is it possible to output all game audio through DUALSHOCK 4 controller’s 3.5mm headset jack?
Yes, you can select the Output to Headsets option to either ‘Chat Audio’ or “All Audio.”
Can PS3 and PS4 users voice chat, or video chat together?
PS3 and PS4 users will be able to communicate with each other use text messages, but not video or voice chat.
For cross-game Party Chat, how many players will PS4 support?
As with the PS Vita system, PS4 will support up to eight users for cross-game Party Chat. The Party Chat feature works across both PS4 and PS Vita platforms.


What accessories will be available at launch for PS4?

In addition to the DUALSHOCK 4 wireless controller and PlayStation Camera, North American accessories available at launch will include the PS4 vertical stand ($14.00 MSRP), which enable owners gamers to securely place the PS4 system in the vertical position, and the DUALSHOCK 4 charging cradle ($29.99 MSRP), which enables two controllers to be charged away from the PS4 system.
Will PS3 peripherals such as fighting sticks and steering wheels work with PS4?
Generally speaking, no. However, at launch, users will be able to use these controllers if a specific game title allows it to be used within the game. This decision is upon the game developer and will vary from game to game.
Will Wireless Stereo Headset and PULSE wireless stereo headset – Elite Edition, which are currently sold for PS3, work on PS4 at launch in North America? What about other wireless headsets?
PS4 will support the Pulse Wireless Stereo Headset and Pulse Wireless Stereo Headset – Elite Edition following an upcoming PS4 system software update. Existing wireless headsets from third-party companies that use a Bluetooth connection will not be supported on PS4, though most USB headsets will be supported following PS4 system software update 1.50.
Can I use the DUALSHOCK 3 controller on PS4?
No, PS4 does not support the DUALSHOCK 3 controller.
Can I use my PS3 Blu-ray remote control on PS4?


No, PS4 does not support the Blu-ray remote control for the PS3.

Does PS4 support the PlayStation Move motion controller?
Yes. Developers will be able to create PS4 titles that use the PS Move controller, with Octodad and Sports Friends being two upcoming examples. However, PS3 titles that use the PS Move controller will not be supported on PS4.
How does Remote Play using PS4 and PS Vita systems improve on the current system between PS3 and PS Vita systems?
Remote Play between PS4 and PS Vita systems leverages Gaikai’s proprietary game streaming technology. PS4 supports this technology on a system level in order to reduce the burden for developers. All activities performed during Remote Play will occur on the PS4 system, such as purchasing add-ons, earning Trophies, and saving game progress.
Are there any other cross-functional capabilities between PS Vita and PS4 users?
Players can voice chat or text chat between PS4 and PS Vita systems using the Party application, even during gameplay. Also, users can browse and compare each other’s Trophies. You can also send and receive text messages between PS Vita and PS4.
How many users can play online multiplayer modes on a single PS4 system set as “Primary” by a PS Plus member?
All users can play online multiplayer modes. Up to four users can log in simultaneously to a single PS4 system, and all will have access to multiplayer as long as PS4 is set as “Primary” by a PS Plus member.
How many local accounts does PS4 support?
PS4 supports up to 16 local accounts, in addition to temporary guest accounts.


What is PlayAsYouDownload? Will all PS4 games support this function?

PlayAsYouDownload is a new feature for the PS4 system that speeds access to games downloaded from PlayStation Store. Supported titles will be playable after users download a portion of the data, while the rest of the game is downloaded in the background during actual gameplay. All titles are compatible this function, but certain titles may not support it at launch in North America.
How much will I need to download before I can start playing with PlayAsYouDownload?
The portion of a game that must be downloaded before gameplay begins will vary title by title, as will the time that it takes to download that initial portion. Users will be able to see when they are able to start playing by an indicator on the download progress meter. Certain titles, such as Killzone: Shadow Fall, will enable you to pick which mode to start downloading first, such as single-player or multiplayer.
Am I able to buy PlayStation Store content from other regions?


We recommend that people buy from the PlayStation Store in the region in which they signed up in order to ensure the best experience and customer support.

What is PlayStation App?
This new application from Sony Computer Entertainment will enable iOS and many Android-based devices to become second screens. Once installed on these devices, users can purchase PS4 games while away from home and download it directly to their home PS4. Depending on the device’s operating system, version, or other conditions, some users may not be able to use the application.
Are users able to record, distribute or stream any gameplay video?
No. Users may not be able to record certain areas within the game. Developers can select the area of restriction, and what will be restricted will depend on game titles. In these cases, recording will be temporarily suspended during the scene.
Can I share my game videos on YouTube?
No. At launch, PS4 users will be able to use the Share button on the DUALSHOCK 4 controller to upload gameplay videos to their Facebook account, or to stream live gameplay to Ustream or Twitch. PS4 owners can follow PlayStation.Blog and PlayStation.com for further news on other services to come after launch.
Does PS4 support external HDMI-based game capture devices?
PS4 will allow the use of external HDMI-based capture devices following an upcoming system software update — please follow PlayStation.Blog and PlayStation.com for news following the launch of PS4.

 

[NCCommish]

Sony wouldn't do that! They are the people's champion!

Nope, they're a business. If they can successfully corral people into their own proprietary music service, they'll probably do so. The more the PS4 pulls away from the XO in terms of quality and especially sales, the more Sony is going to tempted to nickel and dime people like this.

For 32 months in a row Xbox outsold Sony in the US. It took a special bundle including the new GTA to dethrone them last month. I don't think it's at all clear there are significant differences in quality of the new consoles when we get to actual game play. And I don't think Sony is really killing MS sales wise. Especially given the fact that they are roughly neck and neck in pre-orders for the new consoles. Both are sitting around a million pre-orders right now.

Sales numbers at launch don't mean anything. Right now both firms are capacity-constrained and can literally sell as many consoles as they can produce.

As for quality, that's been covered already. Xbox is spotting Playstation 50% more picture on BF (720 -> 900) and 125% more picture on COD (720 -> 1080). It's possible that that's just due to developers having a tougher time optimizing for the XO, in which case that gap may narrow or disappear down the road. Or it may be purely hardware-driven and it's going to be permanent, or somewhere in between. But it's still pretty amazing that there's that big a difference in terms of performance. To put it in perspective, the pixel game between the PS4 and XO on COD is actually larger than the gap between the PS360 and the Wii.

Whether that translates into sales or not, who knows. None of us should be rooting for one firm to completely pull away. If it wasn't for competition from Microsoft and XBL, PS Plus probably wouldn't exist. If it wasn't for competition from Sony, every XO title would probably come packaged with DRM. Unless you own stock in one company or the other, you should prefer two healthy competitors to a monopoly.

Yeah I am glad there are two, the competition has been good for consumers as you point out. As I have said many times buy whichever one plays the games you want and rock on. My nit to pick is I have looked at the comparison videos and I don't see this huge pixel difference. I don't think the average user will either. I also don't see the huge sales difference in Sony's favor that you seem to take as a foregone conclusion in your post. Those were my issues.

 

[Herc]

been reading a ton about both of these consoles and some people in this thread are spinning things to fit their narrative. Both consoles will not support DNLA or MP3. sony want people to use their music player app and MS wants people to use thier music player app.

For those stating Xbox optimization will improve, that is true but dont forget PS4 is also going to get better so its not like only 1 of the 2 will improve.

Its way to early to call one or the other a winner. I have more to say but work beckons I'll add more in a bit.

 

[Jobber]

been reading a ton about both of these consoles and some people in this thread are spinning things to fit their narrative. Both consoles will not support DNLA or MP3. sony want people to use their music player app and MS wants people to use thier music player app.

For those stating Xbox optimization will improve, that is true but dont forget PS4 is also going to get better so its not like only 1 of the 2 will improve.

Its way to early to call one or the other a winner. I have more to say but work beckons I'll add more in a bit.

Neither console "wins", they'll both sell similar numbers over their lives just like last gen.

 

[One]

With XB1, will I have to keep Kinect plugged in?

My Audio/Video setup is in a media closet down the hallway. I can't have some long cord running into the living room.

 

[Sand]

With XB1, will I have to keep Kinect plugged in?

My Audio/Video setup is in a media closet down the hallway. I can't have some long cord running into the living room.

You are supposed to be able to disable Kinect.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

So if you have 2 XBox/PS4's in the house do you have to pay 2 online fees? Or just 1?

 

[Herc]

So if you have 2 XBox/PS4's in the house do you have to pay 2 online fees? Or just 1?

2 I believe, but both consoles will allow other users to use your Gold/PSN+ if the main account has it.

Example I have Gold/PSN+ and my son accesses his account on my console he will have Gold/PSN+ access even without an account while on my machine.

 

[Brony]

No DNLA support nor MP3 support are speedbumps on the PS4, but I can't imagine they would keep these unsupported for long. It's just dumb. (and yes, I get they want people to buy music through them, but even Apple figured out that proprietary formats were dumb)

 

[Herc]

Target is running a B2G1 free the week PS4 drops. This offer is on all games not just PS4.

 

[SlaX]

Sony finally came clean on a few things that they'd been mum on.

• No youtube uploads, at least at launch
• All games require install (but you can play during install)
• No external storage support (can still replace internal HDD)
• No DLNA support at all
• No music visualizer
• No more dynamic themes
• No .mp3 playback

Really gotta say that the more and more I hear about Playstation 4, the more I know it's not what I was hoping for. Recent weeks have swayed me over to leaning Xbox One, although I won't be buying at launch or for a while after (if at all).

Whats the big deal with downloading a game if you can still play it?

The bolded...what are they?

The downloads isn't an issue I'm concerned with. The others are. Well, not dynamic themes or the music visualizer. I like to use custom soundtracks in games and I generally stream them from my PC. This is something XBox 360 and One can do.

There have been other minor things announced over the last few weeks that haven't looked good for Sony. This just adds to it. It really looks like I'm skipping this generation from a console side. At least until someone comes out with something to pull me back in. Until then, I have my next gen goodness in my new PC.

 

[Jobber]

Target is running a B2G1 free the week PS4 drops. This offer is on all games not just PS4.

All? That's awesome, thanks for the heads up. I had intended on going 100% digital this generation, but I don't know if I can pass it up.

 

[AcerFC]

After reading just the last page, I have come to realize I have been under utilizing my PS3. I just put the game in and play. Maybe Ill watch netflix. I have no idea about any of the other stuff you guys are talking about

 

[Herc]

to follow up my previous post. What I have been reading is the eSRAM on the xboxone is causing the display differences. The reason is its bottlenecking at that point. The CPU and GPU are not the reason the xbox is struggling right now, both CPU/GPU are on pretty even footing.

The biggest problem is the way things are rendered. I am not a tech person so I dont recall the exact name of the type of rendering, but a MS developer(CBOAT/Crazy buttocks on a train) has stated this will be a problem going forward. Forza will run at 1080p because it doesnt use this type of rendering maybe one of the tech guys in here will chime in.

I will look for some of the info I have read and post it when I do find it.

 

[Jobber]

to follow up my previous post. What I have been reading is the eSRAM on the xboxone is causing the display differences. The reason is its bottlenecking at that point. The CPU and GPU are not the reason the xbox is struggling right now, both CPU/GPU are on pretty even footing.

The biggest problem is the way things are rendered. I am not a tech person so I dont recall the exact name of the type of rendering, but a MS developer(CBOAT/Crazy buttocks on a train) has stated this will be a problem going forward. Forza will run at 1080p because it doesnt use this type of rendering maybe one of the tech guys in here will chime in.

I will look for some of the info I have read and post it when I do find it.

CBOAT is not a developer,and he's frequently wrong, regardless of what some on Neogaf think. It's not the esram, it's that (I hear) it's a little harder to develop for and most devs haven't gotten used to it or the tools yet.

Regardless, the hands down best looking game at launch is RYSE on the Xbox One.

 

[Brady Marino]

Preordered a PS4 and will sell it the day after launch for a tidy profit.

Because of this.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

After reading just the last page, I have come to realize I have been under utilizing my PS3. I just put the game in and play. Maybe Ill watch netflix. I have no idea about any of the other stuff you guys are talking about

 

[NCCommish]

Preordered a PS4 and will sell it the day after launch for a tidy profit.

Because of this.

I agree with the cartoon

 

[Herc]

to follow up my previous post. What I have been reading is the eSRAM on the xboxone is causing the display differences. The reason is its bottlenecking at that point. The CPU and GPU are not the reason the xbox is struggling right now, both CPU/GPU are on pretty even footing.

The biggest problem is the way things are rendered. I am not a tech person so I dont recall the exact name of the type of rendering, but a MS developer(CBOAT/Crazy buttocks on a train) has stated this will be a problem going forward. Forza will run at 1080p because it doesnt use this type of rendering maybe one of the tech guys in here will chime in.

I will look for some of the info I have read and post it when I do find it.

CBOAT is not a developer,and he's frequently wrong, regardless of what some on Neogaf think. It's not the esram, it's that (I hear) it's a little harder to develop for and most devs haven't gotten used to it or the tools yet.

Regardless, the hands down best looking game at launch is RYSE on the Xbox One.

Well if you want to be technical then the developer kits that were sent out first for xbox were crap which is part of why they are harder to develop for since they have been rushed. The developer kits have been buggy and things have had to be redone and resubmitted for certification after new developer kits were sent out.

As for CBOAT he has been 100% correct about everything this generation. He may have been wrong in the past but he has nailed the always on DRM must have kinect etc.

PS you are correct hes not a developer he just works at MS and is an insider who may or may not know anything.

PSS what resolution is ryse running at native? Answer 900 upscaled to 1080p

 

[Jobber]

to follow up my previous post. What I have been reading is the eSRAM on the xboxone is causing the display differences. The reason is its bottlenecking at that point. The CPU and GPU are not the reason the xbox is struggling right now, both CPU/GPU are on pretty even footing.

The biggest problem is the way things are rendered. I am not a tech person so I dont recall the exact name of the type of rendering, but a MS developer(CBOAT/Crazy buttocks on a train) has stated this will be a problem going forward. Forza will run at 1080p because it doesnt use this type of rendering maybe one of the tech guys in here will chime in.

I will look for some of the info I have read and post it when I do find it.

CBOAT is not a developer,and he's frequently wrong, regardless of what some on Neogaf think. It's not the esram, it's that (I hear) it's a little harder to develop for and most devs haven't gotten used to it or the tools yet.

Regardless, the hands down best looking game at launch is RYSE on the Xbox One.

Well if you want to be technical then the developer kits that were sent out first for xbox were crap which is part of why they are harder to develop for since they have been rushed. The developer kits have been buggy and things have had to be redone and resubmitted for certification after new developer kits were sent out.

As for CBOAT he has been 100% correct about everything this generation. He may have been wrong in the past but he has nailed the always on DRM must have kinect etc.

PS you are correct hes not a developer he just works at MS and is an insider who may or may not know anything.

PSS what resolution is ryse running at native? Answer 900 upscaled to 1080p

Yep. And it looks better than any other 1080p native game on either console.

 

[Barry]

been reading a ton about both of these consoles and some people in this thread are spinning things to fit their narrative.

how grown men can even have a narrative on this topic is funny.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

to follow up my previous post. What I have been reading is the eSRAM on the xboxone is causing the display differences. The reason is its bottlenecking at that point. The CPU and GPU are not the reason the xbox is struggling right now, both CPU/GPU are on pretty even footing.

The biggest problem is the way things are rendered. I am not a tech person so I dont recall the exact name of the type of rendering, but a MS developer(CBOAT/Crazy buttocks on a train) has stated this will be a problem going forward. Forza will run at 1080p because it doesnt use this type of rendering maybe one of the tech guys in here will chime in.

I will look for some of the info I have read and post it when I do find it.

CBOAT is not a developer,and he's frequently wrong, regardless of what some on Neogaf think. It's not the esram, it's that (I hear) it's a little harder to develop for and most devs haven't gotten used to it or the tools yet.

Regardless, the hands down best looking game at launch is RYSE on the Xbox One.

Well if you want to be technical then the developer kits that were sent out first for xbox were crap which is part of why they are harder to develop for since they have been rushed. The developer kits have been buggy and things have had to be redone and resubmitted for certification after new developer kits were sent out.

As for CBOAT he has been 100% correct about everything this generation. He may have been wrong in the past but he has nailed the always on DRM must have kinect etc.

PS you are correct hes not a developer he just works at MS and is an insider who may or may not know anything.

PSS what resolution is ryse running at native? Answer 900 upscaled to 1080p

It doesn't have to be either/or. It's quite possible that Xbox One launch titles are being held back by both poor developer tools (which will clearly get better over time) and weaker hardware (which obviously won't). Honestly, I find it extremely difficult to imagine that the issue with COD is really hardware-related. That game isn't trying to push any graphical boundaries and it's hard to believe that the XO is actually incapable of running it at 1080/60. I understand Battlefield, but the disparity for COD just doesn't make any sense unless it's on the developer end.

 

[Herc]

to follow up my previous post. What I have been reading is the eSRAM on the xboxone is causing the display differences. The reason is its bottlenecking at that point. The CPU and GPU are not the reason the xbox is struggling right now, both CPU/GPU are on pretty even footing.

The biggest problem is the way things are rendered. I am not a tech person so I dont recall the exact name of the type of rendering, but a MS developer(CBOAT/Crazy buttocks on a train) has stated this will be a problem going forward. Forza will run at 1080p because it doesnt use this type of rendering maybe one of the tech guys in here will chime in.

I will look for some of the info I have read and post it when I do find it.

CBOAT is not a developer,and he's frequently wrong, regardless of what some on Neogaf think. It's not the esram, it's that (I hear) it's a little harder to develop for and most devs haven't gotten used to it or the tools yet.

Regardless, the hands down best looking game at launch is RYSE on the Xbox One.

Well if you want to be technical then the developer kits that were sent out first for xbox were crap which is part of why they are harder to develop for since they have been rushed. The developer kits have been buggy and things have had to be redone and resubmitted for certification after new developer kits were sent out.

As for CBOAT he has been 100% correct about everything this generation. He may have been wrong in the past but he has nailed the always on DRM must have kinect etc.

PS you are correct hes not a developer he just works at MS and is an insider who may or may not know anything.

PSS what resolution is ryse running at native? Answer 900 upscaled to 1080p

Yep. And it looks better than any other 1080p native game on either console.

oh 1 release title is what they whole next gen is about right? what if the game play sucks? oh its the best looking...whatever The same applies to Sony also thats why graphics are not everything.

I am done with this topic I was providing unbiased unspun info since I dont work for MS or Sony. I have done some digging trying to figure out whats best for me and my family. Others seem to be SonyPonies or Xbots.

 

[Herc]

to follow up my previous post. What I have been reading is the eSRAM on the xboxone is causing the display differences. The reason is its bottlenecking at that point. The CPU and GPU are not the reason the xbox is struggling right now, both CPU/GPU are on pretty even footing.

The biggest problem is the way things are rendered. I am not a tech person so I dont recall the exact name of the type of rendering, but a MS developer(CBOAT/Crazy buttocks on a train) has stated this will be a problem going forward. Forza will run at 1080p because it doesnt use this type of rendering maybe one of the tech guys in here will chime in.

I will look for some of the info I have read and post it when I do find it.

CBOAT is not a developer,and he's frequently wrong, regardless of what some on Neogaf think. It's not the esram, it's that (I hear) it's a little harder to develop for and most devs haven't gotten used to it or the tools yet.

Regardless, the hands down best looking game at launch is RYSE on the Xbox One.

Well if you want to be technical then the developer kits that were sent out first for xbox were crap which is part of why they are harder to develop for since they have been rushed. The developer kits have been buggy and things have had to be redone and resubmitted for certification after new developer kits were sent out.

As for CBOAT he has been 100% correct about everything this generation. He may have been wrong in the past but he has nailed the always on DRM must have kinect etc.

PS you are correct hes not a developer he just works at MS and is an insider who may or may not know anything.

PSS what resolution is ryse running at native? Answer 900 upscaled to 1080p

It doesn't have to be either/or. It's quite possible that Xbox One launch titles are being held back by both poor developer tools (which will clearly get better over time) and weaker hardware (which obviously won't). Honestly, I find it extremely difficult to imagine that the issue with COD is really hardware-related. That game isn't trying to push any graphical boundaries and it's hard to believe that the XO is actually incapable of running it at 1080/60. I understand Battlefield, but the disparity for COD just doesn't make any sense unless it's on the developer end.

I agree I feel its a combination of things and its too early to really tell.

 

[zDragon]

been reading a ton about both of these consoles and some people in this thread are spinning things to fit their narrative. Both consoles will not support DNLA or MP3. sony want people to use their music player app and MS wants people to use thier music player app.

For those stating Xbox optimization will improve, that is true but dont forget PS4 is also going to get better so its not like only 1 of the 2 will improve.

Its way to early to call one or the other a winner. I have more to say but work beckons I'll add more in a bit.

Link to Xbox One not supporting MP3 or DLNA?

 

[culdeus]

been reading a ton about both of these consoles and some people in this thread are spinning things to fit their narrative.

how grown men can even have a narrative on this topic is funny.

It's not like you can't have both platforms. These things aren't like 10 grand. I ultimately plan to have both like last time. Worst case they are extremely expensive roku or BRD players part-time.

Some people get WAY too invested in this stuff. If the platform wars kill off one or the other you will see a dark era like the late 90s where everything went sideways and back to the PC market, and nobody wants the PC market to thrive, those people are dorks and we hate dorks.

 

[NCCommish]

to follow up my previous post. What I have been reading is the eSRAM on the xboxone is causing the display differences. The reason is its bottlenecking at that point. The CPU and GPU are not the reason the xbox is struggling right now, both CPU/GPU are on pretty even footing.

The biggest problem is the way things are rendered. I am not a tech person so I dont recall the exact name of the type of rendering, but a MS developer(CBOAT/Crazy buttocks on a train) has stated this will be a problem going forward. Forza will run at 1080p because it doesnt use this type of rendering maybe one of the tech guys in here will chime in.

I will look for some of the info I have read and post it when I do find it.

CBOAT is not a developer,and he's frequently wrong, regardless of what some on Neogaf think. It's not the esram, it's that (I hear) it's a little harder to develop for and most devs haven't gotten used to it or the tools yet.

Regardless, the hands down best looking game at launch is RYSE on the Xbox One.

Well if you want to be technical then the developer kits that were sent out first for xbox were crap which is part of why they are harder to develop for since they have been rushed. The developer kits have been buggy and things have had to be redone and resubmitted for certification after new developer kits were sent out.

As for CBOAT he has been 100% correct about everything this generation. He may have been wrong in the past but he has nailed the always on DRM must have kinect etc.

PS you are correct hes not a developer he just works at MS and is an insider who may or may not know anything.

PSS what resolution is ryse running at native? Answer 900 upscaled to 1080p

Yep. And it looks better than any other 1080p native game on either console.

oh 1 release title is what they whole next gen is about right? what if the game play sucks? oh its the best looking...whatever The same applies to Sony also thats why graphics are not everything.

I am done with this topic I was providing unbiased unspun info since I dont work for MS or Sony. I have done some digging trying to figure out whats best for me and my family. Others seem to be SonyPonies or Xbots.

Seemed like he was agreeing with you. Might want to cut back on the caffeine.

 

[Herc]

to follow up my previous post. What I have been reading is the eSRAM on the xboxone is causing the display differences. The reason is its bottlenecking at that point. The CPU and GPU are not the reason the xbox is struggling right now, both CPU/GPU are on pretty even footing.

The biggest problem is the way things are rendered. I am not a tech person so I dont recall the exact name of the type of rendering, but a MS developer(CBOAT/Crazy buttocks on a train) has stated this will be a problem going forward. Forza will run at 1080p because it doesnt use this type of rendering maybe one of the tech guys in here will chime in.

I will look for some of the info I have read and post it when I do find it.

CBOAT is not a developer,and he's frequently wrong, regardless of what some on Neogaf think. It's not the esram, it's that (I hear) it's a little harder to develop for and most devs haven't gotten used to it or the tools yet.

Regardless, the hands down best looking game at launch is RYSE on the Xbox One.

Well if you want to be technical then the developer kits that were sent out first for xbox were crap which is part of why they are harder to develop for since they have been rushed. The developer kits have been buggy and things have had to be redone and resubmitted for certification after new developer kits were sent out.

As for CBOAT he has been 100% correct about everything this generation. He may have been wrong in the past but he has nailed the always on DRM must have kinect etc.

PS you are correct hes not a developer he just works at MS and is an insider who may or may not know anything.

PSS what resolution is ryse running at native? Answer 900 upscaled to 1080p

Yep. And it looks better than any other 1080p native game on either console.

oh 1 release title is what they whole next gen is about right? what if the game play sucks? oh its the best looking...whatever The same applies to Sony also thats why graphics are not everything.

I am done with this topic I was providing unbiased unspun info since I dont work for MS or Sony. I have done some digging trying to figure out whats best for me and my family. Others seem to be SonyPonies or Xbots.

Seemed like he was agreeing with you. Might want to cut back on the caffeine.

After rereading it yeah maybe I was a little harsh. I had been trying to do research and everything I was reading and finding was being spun one way or another. Its really frustrating when your trying to find real legit info and you have to cut through all the crap.

 

[Herc]

been reading a ton about both of these consoles and some people in this thread are spinning things to fit their narrative. Both consoles will not support DNLA or MP3. sony want people to use their music player app and MS wants people to use thier music player app.

For those stating Xbox optimization will improve, that is true but dont forget PS4 is also going to get better so its not like only 1 of the 2 will improve.

Its way to early to call one or the other a winner. I have more to say but work beckons I'll add more in a bit.

Link to Xbox One not supporting MP3 or DLNA?

Quickest most up to date link I could find

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/yes-the-xbox-one-can-play-cds-and-will-support-dlna-streaming

http://www.polygon.com/2013/11/1/5056280/xbox-one-supports-dlna-compatibility-audio-cd-playback-microsoft

So its only half true today. no MP3's but it does stream DLNA. It is not a media extender like the 360 was off of your computer.

So it doesn't seem like there is going to be a way to simply import your music files, but you will be able to stream the content you already own,

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While Xbox One supports audio CD playback, it does not support CD ripping, a spokesperson said, a feature of the Xbox 360. It also doesn't support MP3 or AAC playback from devices like the iPod, iPhone, Zune or Windows Phone over USB.

 

[Jobber]

Too bad. I really would like to play mp3s right from the console. Not so sure about streaming from my pc. Hopefully they make it simple.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Too bad. I really would like to play mp3s right from the console. Not so sure about streaming from my pc. Hopefully they make it simple.

Keep in mind that this is the sort of thing that can be patched in if people make a stink about it, as they should. There's just no excuse for consoles not supporting mp3 playback and media hubs. Those features were 100% standard last gen. Removing them is just a money-grab. (Both consoles).

 

[Herc]

I agree both will be patched in. Xbox may or may not have DLNA at launch if you read the articles its submitted for certification. I think both consoles are just being pushed out incomplete and these minor nuisances will be implemented. Too little time with too many grand ambitions for both companies. I think its very strange that Sony doesn't support DLNA out of the gate when they helped create it.

 

[LittleLarry]

I'm going from Xbox360 to PS4 because of one big reason, and that's backward compatability, or more specficially the lack thereof.

I have a ton of games that I bought on Live Arcade. These games will not port to XBox One.

Could you please provide a link confirming this?

I've spent hundreds of dollars on Live Arcade, and can't believe I won't be able to continue to play these games if I purchase an Xbox One.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I'm going from Xbox360 to PS4 because of one big reason, and that's backward compatability, or more specficially the lack thereof.

I have a ton of games that I bought on Live Arcade. These games will not port to XBox One.

Could you please provide a link confirming this?

I've spent hundreds of dollars on Live Arcade, and can't believe I won't be able to continue to play these games if I purchase an Xbox One.

Here you go.

 

[NewlyRetired]

The dlna issue is a big one for me. My ps3 is the main streaming device for my massive digital storage. I expected the ps4 to provide this basic capability.

Luckily, in following the Sony tweets, they are already getting bombarded with complaints and are saying they are discussing the issue internally with the development team.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Sony just changed their PS4 FAQ on DLNA to add this *

Time to keep letting them know if you want this feature.

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Will PS4 support media servers or DLNA support in order to stream videos or movies from a home PC?

The PS4 system does not support client functionality* for media servers.

*We appreciate your feedback and are exploring possibilities.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm going from Xbox360 to PS4 because of one big reason, and that's backward compatability, or more specficially the lack thereof.

I have a ton of games that I bought on Live Arcade. These games will not port to XBox One.

Could you please provide a link confirming this?

I've spent hundreds of dollars on Live Arcade, and can't believe I won't be able to continue to play these games if I purchase an Xbox One.

Neither console features any kind of backwards compatibility, at least for now. This isn't anything nefarious on the part of either manufacturer. The Xbox One does not have the same architecture as the 360 did. Same for PS3 --> PS4. Current gen games would require a port to be able to run on next gen consoles.

 

[Brady Marino]

Sony just changed their PS4 FAQ on DLNA to add this *

Time to keep letting them know if you want this feature.

======================================

Will PS4 support media servers or DLNA support in order to stream videos or movies from a home PC?

The PS4 system does not support client functionality* for media servers.

*We appreciate your feedback and are exploring possibilities.

I really have a feeling those who buy their console at launch will get royally shafted by future "upgraded" versions.

Hopefully I am just being cynical and this is something that can be fixed in a patch.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Sony just changed their PS4 FAQ on DLNA to add this *

Time to keep letting them know if you want this feature.

======================================

Will PS4 support media servers or DLNA support in order to stream videos or movies from a home PC?

The PS4 system does not support client functionality* for media servers.

*We appreciate your feedback and are exploring possibilities.

I really have a feeling those who buy their console at launch will get royally shafted by future "upgraded" versions.

Hopefully I am just being cynical and this is something that can be fixed in a patch.

Yep. NO WAY am I buying a new console for at least a year.

Besides not knowing who will be king or which system fits my needs best - There is just no real good reason (for me) to buy a launch system.

 

[LittleLarry]

I'm going from Xbox360 to PS4 because of one big reason, and that's backward compatability, or more specficially the lack thereof.

I have a ton of games that I bought on Live Arcade. These games will not port to XBox One.

Could you please provide a link confirming this?

I've spent hundreds of dollars on Live Arcade, and can't believe I won't be able to continue to play these games if I purchase an Xbox One.

Neither console features any kind of backwards compatibility, at least for now. This isn't anything nefarious on the part of either manufacturer. The Xbox One does not have the same architecture as the 360 did. Same for PS3 --> PS4. Current gen games would require a port to be able to run on next gen consoles.

I guess when I was thinking about backwards compatibility, I was thinking about game discs.

I wasn't thinking about games I purchased ONLINE and played ONLINE.

M$N can bite me. Do I have to repurchase Dig Dug now?

 

[Gator Shawn]

The dlna issue is a big one for me. My ps3 is the main streaming device for my massive digital storage. I expected the ps4 to provide this basic capability.

Luckily, in following the Sony tweets, they are already getting bombarded with complaints and are saying they are discussing the issue internally with the development team.

Until this announcement, we were leaning about 80/20 towards the PS4, but the DLNA is a big issue for me too. I don't want to purchase one purely for DLNA, so I will probably end up waiting a few months, much to my kid's chagrin. My boys want a Playstation, we've always been Wii or XBOX, so at this point we might just get a PS3 and hold out for a few months to see how it goes.

I like the XBOX One because I think Kinect has SO much potential for cool gameplay. Think about the arcade games where you duck behind cover. Playing a first person shooter that requires lots of physical extertion would be awesome.