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xbox one vs ps4 (1 Viewer)

any idea when i'll be able to just walk into a store and pick up an xbox one?
target had a bunch on the shelf yesterday in my area
says out of stock in all the stores by me. I don't care enough to go on a trip to find one.
You can check Amazon on occasion, and run to Best Buy this morning if you can. I think they got stock of both consoles for today's ad.

Many others have just been lucky to stumble upon them at various stores. Just luck in timing I guess.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Loan Sharks said:
I was just screwing around but I do take that one back. That was a cheap shot at those guys. I apologize.

I just have a problem when xguys say I am getting the xbone because other people are but when MOST people are getting a PS4 they who cares what other people are getting.

Also I am BLOWN AWAY that people will make a purchase this large and perhaps buy something they will use for years that is their second choice because their friends did. I have never had a friend make a $500 decision for me, ever. This is like buying a car you don't like because you would hate to not hang out with your buddies in the club that tricks out Honda Civics.
The reason that some people, like me, will choose whatever system their friends have is because they have literally no preference. I genuinely see no difference between the XB1 and PS4. I know there are slight technical differences and interface differences, but I see virtually no difference for my uses. I will find games I enjoy on either console.If you literally had no preference, none whatsoever, between two consoles, but all of your gaming buddies (real life friends and online friends together) were playing one console, and you're a frequent multiplayer gamer....wouldn't you get that console?
I really don't get this fanboyism/haterism at all. These systems only cost like $300...just buy them both and save yourself a lot of anger and mental anguish. I have always bought both Xbox and PS and will continue to do so. The only reason I got Xbone first is because I have more frends on Xbox. I would have picked up a PS4 by now as well, but they are hard to find and I don't want to pay extra for a bunch of crap I don't need.

Anyways, I don't think these posts by guys like loan sharks are really helping anyone, and I'm not sure why you keep feeding this troll. My thoughts right now are that the Xbone is a bit flawed out the gate and if you aren't in a rush to upgrade, stick with the 360 until they iron out the software issues. The online community is still small at the moment, which doesn't help. Graphics upgrades are nice but there is no wow factor for me, as I mostly play online multiplayer.
"Only cost like $300"? Your post sounds a bit ignorant of the fact that not everyone can just go out and buy both. And you're way off in price as well - The PS4 is $400 and the Xbox is $500. Those are the BASE prices - no games and only one controller with each.

I'm not getting the same vibe from Loan Sharks as you are. Also, your post seems a bit contradictory here. In one sentence you say you "dont' get this fanboy/haterism" and in the next you say you have an XBox and then imply that the PS4 is a "bunch of crap you don't need" (which, it seems, is also contradictory to your "just go out and buy both" statement).
Do you have a reading comprehension issue? Right now there is no way to get a ps4 unless you buy it in a bundle. That means I would have to pay for a bunch of extra crap that I don't need if i got one now. I will be getting a ps4 when they atr in stock non bundle.
 
Gamestop and Best Buy had both Xbone and PS4 in stock just chilling yesterday in northern California. I saw them as I was shopping for used games. About 8-10 of each as of noon.

 
Loan Sharks said:
I was just screwing around but I do take that one back. That was a cheap shot at those guys. I apologize.

I just have a problem when xguys say I am getting the xbone because other people are but when MOST people are getting a PS4 they who cares what other people are getting.

Also I am BLOWN AWAY that people will make a purchase this large and perhaps buy something they will use for years that is their second choice because their friends did. I have never had a friend make a $500 decision for me, ever. This is like buying a car you don't like because you would hate to not hang out with your buddies in the club that tricks out Honda Civics.
The reason that some people, like me, will choose whatever system their friends have is because they have literally no preference. I genuinely see no difference between the XB1 and PS4. I know there are slight technical differences and interface differences, but I see virtually no difference for my uses. I will find games I enjoy on either console.

If you literally had no preference, none whatsoever, between two consoles, but all of your gaming buddies (real life friends and online friends together) were playing one console, and you're a frequent multiplayer gamer....wouldn't you get that console?
I really don't get this fanboyism/haterism at all. These systems only cost like $300...just buy them both and save yourself a lot of anger and mental anguish. I have always bought both Xbox and PS and will continue to do so. The only reason I got Xbone first is because I have more frends on Xbox. I would have picked up a PS4 by now as well, but they are hard to find and I don't want to pay extra for a bunch of crap I don't need.

Anyways, I don't think these posts by guys like loan sharks are really helping anyone, and I'm not sure why you keep feeding this troll. My thoughts right now are that the Xbone is a bit flawed out the gate and if you aren't in a rush to upgrade, stick with the 360 until they iron out the software issues. The online community is still small at the moment, which doesn't help. Graphics upgrades are nice but there is no wow factor for me, as I mostly play online multiplayer.
"Only cost like $300"? Your post sounds a bit ignorant of the fact that not everyone can just go out and buy both. And you're way off in price as well - The PS4 is $400 and the Xbox is $500. Those are the BASE prices - no games and only one controller with each.

I'm not getting the same vibe from Loan Sharks as you are. Also, your post seems a bit contradictory here. In one sentence you say you "dont' get this fanboy/haterism" and in the next you say you have an XBox and then imply that the PS4 is a "bunch of crap you don't need" (which, it seems, is also contradictory to your "just go out and buy both" statement).
That is the problem with Xbox fans in general. Xboys have a real mob mentality and anyone who dares to suggest that they are buying a inferior product has to be shouted down as a troll.

When you try to have a rational discussion as to the differentiating aspects of the two consoles, they tend to resort to intangibles like all my friends, controller comfort, and rumors about online service.

I have posted a number of times the features I like about the xbone and asked some questions about why xboys think think it is a better buy, but look at the responses. There was a legit discussion on the importance of exclusives but other than that it is a trash fest on PS4.

It is my opinion that xbox fans are a little defensive because of all of the stunts M$ has tried to pull this time around and are going a little overboard defending their choice.

The console that has sold 2.1M units to 1.6 million xbones apparently has no redeeming qualities.

http://www.vgchartz.com/#This%20Generation

 
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Loan Sharks said:
I was just screwing around but I do take that one back. That was a cheap shot at those guys. I apologize.

I just have a problem when xguys say I am getting the xbone because other people are but when MOST people are getting a PS4 they who cares what other people are getting.

Also I am BLOWN AWAY that people will make a purchase this large and perhaps buy something they will use for years that is their second choice because their friends did. I have never had a friend make a $500 decision for me, ever. This is like buying a car you don't like because you would hate to not hang out with your buddies in the club that tricks out Honda Civics.
The reason that some people, like me, will choose whatever system their friends have is because they have literally no preference. I genuinely see no difference between the XB1 and PS4. I know there are slight technical differences and interface differences, but I see virtually no difference for my uses. I will find games I enjoy on either console.If you literally had no preference, none whatsoever, between two consoles, but all of your gaming buddies (real life friends and online friends together) were playing one console, and you're a frequent multiplayer gamer....wouldn't you get that console?
I really don't get this fanboyism/haterism at all. These systems only cost like $300...just buy them both and save yourself a lot of anger and mental anguish. I have always bought both Xbox and PS and will continue to do so. The only reason I got Xbone first is because I have more frends on Xbox. I would have picked up a PS4 by now as well, but they are hard to find and I don't want to pay extra for a bunch of crap I don't need.

Anyways, I don't think these posts by guys like loan sharks are really helping anyone, and I'm not sure why you keep feeding this troll. My thoughts right now are that the Xbone is a bit flawed out the gate and if you aren't in a rush to upgrade, stick with the 360 until they iron out the software issues. The online community is still small at the moment, which doesn't help. Graphics upgrades are nice but there is no wow factor for me, as I mostly play online multiplayer.
"Only cost like $300"? Your post sounds a bit ignorant of the fact that not everyone can just go out and buy both. And you're way off in price as well - The PS4 is $400 and the Xbox is $500. Those are the BASE prices - no games and only one controller with each.

I'm not getting the same vibe from Loan Sharks as you are. Also, your post seems a bit contradictory here. In one sentence you say you "dont' get this fanboy/haterism" and in the next you say you have an XBox and then imply that the PS4 is a "bunch of crap you don't need" (which, it seems, is also contradictory to your "just go out and buy both" statement).
Do you have a reading comprehension issue? Right now there is no way to get a ps4 unless you buy it in a bundle. That means I would have to pay for a bunch of extra crap that I don't need if i got one now. I will be getting a ps4 when they atr in stock non bundle.
No where do you specify buying the bundled PS4 and I can't read your mind. I think you need to communicate your thoughts a little better when you're writing a post.

Besides, it appears price is not an issue with you so why not just buy the bundle since the consoles are so cheap?

 
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Well, the sheep will huddle together and decide collectively to pay more for a worse product. It's like women that pay thousands of dollars for a purse because other women have the same brand.

 
The best buy stores must have been hoarding them. I got my ticket this morning and he had a stack of probably 80 of them.
what time did you have to get there to get a ps4
The store opened at 10, I got there at 8 and they passed out tickets at 9. It was cold and wet but worth it, didn't have to buy a bundle or anything.
thanks, should have tried. around here they always seem short supply and i am lazy.
 
I don't think I want to buy a PS4 anymore if it means there's a chance I may play with any of the PS4 guys in this thread.

How are we a bunch of sheep if were interested in the system with the smaller install base?

If you wanna give your opinion on which is better and why that's fine, but you're not doing that , you're insulting folks who may have a different opinion and have different needs then you.

What exactly are these benefits you speak of ? The PS4 is more powerful on paper? Awesome , so just like last time? No ? What's that ? The ps3 was actually more powerful then the 360 by a wider margin then the ps4 to the xbox1 respectively? Oh.

The controller - personal preference but sony got the analog/dpad upside down.

Online - So Sony has improved theirs to playable but no longer free - headset is meh - XBOX1 - still works good but needs some tweeking to take advantage of the alleged benefits. I'll take your word on the online bring better and call this a wash.

Exclusives - early edge to xb1 again.

Intangibles- the xbox outclasses sonys eye and sony no longer has the blu ray player edge. Whether you like it or not- the kinect is a optional component that SOME people really like. Recording yourself playing a game then making a 5 minute vid with commentary is pretty fn cool. Accessing a wiki or YouTube walkthrough vid with picture in picture is pretty cool. Watching football or a movie while playing a game is pretty cool. So while this may not be your cup of yea. It's a bonus feature that your alleged far superior system doesn't have. Btw- saying the kinect is OmGForC3D !!!!! on you and the eye isn't is a laughable response. If this feature is somthing someone likes then it may be worth it to them.

So what makes the. PS4 so superior again ? I keep asking this question because believe it or not, I'll by either or both if there are games I like on them. I just haven't found a reason to buy the PS4 despite my most honest efforts.

 
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FWIW: I Woke up early to wait in line at Best Buy. They had separate XBox and PS4 lines. The first people got there at 11 last night.

When I arrived at 5:30 there were 20 people in the PS4 line and 1 in the XBox line. When the doors opened at 9:30 there were at least 100 in the PS4 line and 8 in the XBox line

As far as I know everyone got a system

 
Whats the latest on Sales figures? Sony will clean up IMO since they haven't launched in Japan yet where they are always huge.

 
FWIW: I Woke up early to wait in line at Best Buy. They had separate XBox and PS4 lines. The first people got there at 11 last night.

When I arrived at 5:30 there were 20 people in the PS4 line and 1 in the XBox line. When the doors opened at 9:30 there were at least 100 in the PS4 line and 8 in the XBox line

As far as I know everyone got a system
Aww. I half-way expected you to tell me about this epic battle between the Xbox buyers and the PS4 buyers.

As for the rest of the thread. :popcorn:

 
Well, this was a nice civil thread while for about 10 pages until the biggest gaming troll on the boards decided to show up. And now it's turned into the same flame war that he started in the old "360 vs ps3" thread.

 
Well, this was a nice civil thread while for about 10 pages until the biggest gaming troll on the boards decided to show up. And now it's turned into the same flame war that he started in the old "360 vs ps3" thread.
Yes, it makes for a lot of garbage to sift through. When someone is knowingly trolling, I wish people would just disregard it and move on with fruitful conversation.

 
I understand why first party games like MLB The Show or the Naughty Dog games from last generation are exclusive to one console, but I cant imagine for the life me why big AAA type games would enter into an agreement to go exclusive. GTA 5 sold something like 30+ MILLION games in the first month out. If they were still exclusive to Sony it would have sold at least 10M copies less just because so many people in the gaming market were on Xbox. So unless Sony was going to pay like a billion dollars to GTA to remain exclusive there was no way in hell they would have remained.

So I dont understand why the biggest Xbone exclusive Titanfall (owned by EA, from makers of COD 4) is not going multiplatform? The money would have to be astronomical to risk going just one platform.

This article did not clear up the reasons why its exclusive.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/19/ea-explains-titanfalls-exclusivity-on-xbox-and-pc

 
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I understand why first party games like MLB The Show or the Naughty Dog games from last generation are exclusive to one console, but I cant imagine for the life me why big AAA type games would enter into an agreement to go exclusive. GTA 5 sold something like 30+ MILLION games in the first month out. If they were still exclusive to Sony it would have sold at least 10M copies less just because so many people in the gaming market were on Xbox. So unless Sony was going to pay like a billion dollars to GTA to remain exclusive there was no way in hell they would have remained.

So I dont understand why the biggest Xbone exclusive Titanfall (owned by EA, from makers of COD 4) is not going multiplatform? The money would have to be astronomical to risk going just one platform.

This article did not clear up the reasons why its exclusive.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/19/ea-explains-titanfalls-exclusivity-on-xbox-and-pc
You state the reason. The article stated the reason. Microsoft cut a deal worth a lot of money to EA to make Titanfall an exclusive for Microsoft platforms (XB1, 360, Windows)

 
I understand why first party games like MLB The Show or the Naughty Dog games from last generation are exclusive to one console, but I cant imagine for the life me why big AAA type games would enter into an agreement to go exclusive. GTA 5 sold something like 30+ MILLION games in the first month out. If they were still exclusive to Sony it would have sold at least 10M copies less just because so many people in the gaming market were on Xbox. So unless Sony was going to pay like a billion dollars to GTA to remain exclusive there was no way in hell they would have remained.

So I dont understand why the biggest Xbone exclusive Titanfall (owned by EA, from makers of COD 4) is not going multiplatform? The money would have to be astronomical to risk going just one platform.

This article did not clear up the reasons why its exclusive.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/19/ea-explains-titanfalls-exclusivity-on-xbox-and-pc
You state the reason. The article stated the reason. Microsoft cut a deal worth a lot of money to EA to make Titanfall an exclusive for Microsoft platforms (XB1, 360, Windows)
I know they cut a deal, they dont release the figures of that agreement. I know they have competent people making these decisions to go exclusive but with the amount of money big games can make, I don't see a reason to go one party anymore. But, maybe Titanfall when they landed the agreement were no so sure it was going to be a super hit and just wanted some guaranteed coin from Microsoft and to be featured in a full marketing campaign. Just wanted to get some discussion going on something non fanboyish here.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
I don't think I want to buy a PS4 anymore if it means there's a chance I may play with any of the PS4 guys in this thread.

How are we a bunch of sheep if were interested in the system with the smaller install base?

If you wanna give your opinion on which is better and why that's fine, but you're not doing that , you're insulting folks who may have a different opinion and have different needs then you.

What exactly are these benefits you speak of ? The PS4 is more powerful on paper? Awesome , so just like last time? No ? What's that ? The ps3 was actually more powerful then the 360 by a wider margin then the ps4 to the xbox1 respectively? Oh.

The controller - personal preference but sony got the analog/dpad upside down.

Online - So Sony has improved theirs to playable but no longer free - headset is meh - XBOX1 - still works good but needs some tweeking to take advantage of the alleged benefits. I'll take your word on the online bring better and call this a wash.

Exclusives - early edge to xb1 again.

Intangibles- the xbox outclasses sonys eye and sony no longer has the blu ray player edge. Whether you like it or not- the kinect is a optional component that SOME people really like. Recording yourself playing a game then making a 5 minute vid with commentary is pretty fn cool. Accessing a wiki or YouTube walkthrough vid with picture in picture is pretty cool. Watching football or a movie while playing a game is pretty cool. So while this may not be your cup of yea. It's a bonus feature that your alleged far superior system doesn't have. Btw- saying the kinect is OmGForC3D !!!!! on you and the eye isn't is a laughable response. If this feature is somthing someone likes then it may be worth it to them.

So what makes the. PS4 so superior again ? I keep asking this question because believe it or not, I'll by either or both if there are games I like on them. I just haven't found a reason to buy the PS4 despite my most honest efforts.
Oh please, you were never ever going to purchase a PS4. You were just looking for reasons to justify owning an xbox. It's so hilariously obvious in every one of your posts, including/especially the one quoted above.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
I don't think I want to buy a PS4 anymore if it means there's a chance I may play with any of the PS4 guys in this thread.

How are we a bunch of sheep if were interested in the system with the smaller install base?

If you wanna give your opinion on which is better and why that's fine, but you're not doing that , you're insulting folks who may have a different opinion and have different needs then you.

What exactly are these benefits you speak of ? The PS4 is more powerful on paper? Awesome , so just like last time? No ? What's that ? The ps3 was actually more powerful then the 360 by a wider margin then the ps4 to the xbox1 respectively? Oh.

The controller - personal preference but sony got the analog/dpad upside down.

Online - So Sony has improved theirs to playable but no longer free - headset is meh - XBOX1 - still works good but needs some tweeking to take advantage of the alleged benefits. I'll take your word on the online bring better and call this a wash.

Exclusives - early edge to xb1 again.

Intangibles- the xbox outclasses sonys eye and sony no longer has the blu ray player edge. Whether you like it or not- the kinect is a optional component that SOME people really like. Recording yourself playing a game then making a 5 minute vid with commentary is pretty fn cool. Accessing a wiki or YouTube walkthrough vid with picture in picture is pretty cool. Watching football or a movie while playing a game is pretty cool. So while this may not be your cup of yea. It's a bonus feature that your alleged far superior system doesn't have. Btw- saying the kinect is OmGForC3D !!!!! on you and the eye isn't is a laughable response. If this feature is somthing someone likes then it may be worth it to them.

So what makes the. PS4 so superior again ? I keep asking this question because believe it or not, I'll by either or both if there are games I like on them. I just haven't found a reason to buy the PS4 despite my most honest efforts.
Oh please, you were never ever going to purchase a PS4. You were just looking for reasons to justify owning an xbox. It's so hilariously obvious in every one of your posts, including/especially the one quoted above.
I owned a PS1, PS2 and at one point owned a PS3. I'll likely buy a PS4 too.Please feel free to continue to add nothing to this thread, as evidence by your inability to refute any of my post.

 
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Well, this was a nice civil thread while for about 10 pages until the biggest gaming troll on the boards decided to show up. And now it's turned into the same flame war that he started in the old "360 vs ps3" thread.
Yes, it makes for a lot of garbage to sift through. When someone is knowingly trolling, I wish people would just disregard it and move on with fruitful conversation.
My bad, I fell for it hook line and sinker.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
I don't think I want to buy a PS4 anymore if it means there's a chance I may play with any of the PS4 guys in this thread.

How are we a bunch of sheep if were interested in the system with the smaller install base?

If you wanna give your opinion on which is better and why that's fine, but you're not doing that , you're insulting folks who may have a different opinion and have different needs then you.

What exactly are these benefits you speak of ? The PS4 is more powerful on paper? Awesome , so just like last time? No ? What's that ? The ps3 was actually more powerful then the 360 by a wider margin then the ps4 to the xbox1 respectively? Oh.

The controller - personal preference but sony got the analog/dpad upside down.

Online - So Sony has improved theirs to playable but no longer free - headset is meh - XBOX1 - still works good but needs some tweeking to take advantage of the alleged benefits. I'll take your word on the online bring better and call this a wash.

Exclusives - early edge to xb1 again.

Intangibles- the xbox outclasses sonys eye and sony no longer has the blu ray player edge. Whether you like it or not- the kinect is a optional component that SOME people really like. Recording yourself playing a game then making a 5 minute vid with commentary is pretty fn cool. Accessing a wiki or YouTube walkthrough vid with picture in picture is pretty cool. Watching football or a movie while playing a game is pretty cool. So while this may not be your cup of yea. It's a bonus feature that your alleged far superior system doesn't have. Btw- saying the kinect is OmGForC3D !!!!! on you and the eye isn't is a laughable response. If this feature is somthing someone likes then it may be worth it to them.

So what makes the. PS4 so superior again ? I keep asking this question because believe it or not, I'll by either or both if there are games I like on them. I just haven't found a reason to buy the PS4 despite my most honest efforts.
I wouldn't necessarily use the term "superior" because -- as you said-- there are quite a few features of the Xbox that the PS4 does worse or doesn't do at all. (Media support, television play-through, Skype integration, etc). And if somebody prefers the Xbox controller or the Xbox's exclusives or has a bunch of a friends on Xbox, those are all things that might tip a reasonable person to that console.

For me personally, I was mostly attracted to the PS4 because I like the kind of exclusives that Sony tends to make. But that's obviously just personal preference. Sony tends to make a lot of SP games (Uncharted, God of War, inFamous, The Last of Us, etc) whereas Microsoft tends to focus more on multiplayer titles (Gears, Halo, Titanfall, etc.) Let's say for the sake of argument that you give Microsoft the edge in this category, because otherwise we wouldn't even be having this discussion. I see the PS4 as having two main selling points:

1. Better third-party games. This isn't like last gen where the PS3 was technically more powerful but was also notoriously hard to develop for. This time around, Son'sy machine is both a lot more powerful and easier to work on. We've seen the results of that right out of the gate, with games like COD and Battlefield (and I think AC but I could be wrong on that one) that run at higher resolutions on the PS4 with the same or better framerate, same textures, same AI, etc. Back in July, it was okay to speculate about how third-party developers might enforce console parity or how power differences might not translate into improved performance, but that debate is over now that games are actually out. There are several third-party games that run clearly and objectively better on the PS4 than they do on the Xbox, and none that go the other way. That's not a coincidence, and that hardware gap is going to be there for the entire generation.

2. PS+. One issue that I think nobody has brought up yet is that PS+ has historically been pretty generous with its free games. Nobody really knows if that trend will necessarily hold up this time around because there's no backlog of next-gen games that Sony can easily give away, and it's conceivable that Microsoft could step up in this area, but PS+ has made "Games with Gold" -- or whatever the MS version is called -- look pretty silly so far. For the record, PS+ is not exactly setting the world on fire with its launch games. Contrast is eminently meh and while Resogun is awesome it's still a $15 arcade title. Driveclub would have driven this point home better, but the Plus version of that one is going to be at least somewhat stripped down.

Honestly, that's about it, which is I why I don't find the "console wars" quite as interesting this time around. Last time, both consoles were pretty similar and competed on stuff like their game libraries, the online experience, and things like that. This time, one console is very clearly the better gaming system while the other is very clearly the better all-around media system. For people who are undecided otherwise, it really just comes down to whether they want a machine that does one thing really well or whether they'd rather have a more versatile jack-of-all-trades machine. That's not very interesting to argue about.

 
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I understand why first party games like MLB The Show or the Naughty Dog games from last generation are exclusive to one console, but I cant imagine for the life me why big AAA type games would enter into an agreement to go exclusive. GTA 5 sold something like 30+ MILLION games in the first month out. If they were still exclusive to Sony it would have sold at least 10M copies less just because so many people in the gaming market were on Xbox. So unless Sony was going to pay like a billion dollars to GTA to remain exclusive there was no way in hell they would have remained.

So I dont understand why the biggest Xbone exclusive Titanfall (owned by EA, from makers of COD 4) is not going multiplatform? The money would have to be astronomical to risk going just one platform.

This article did not clear up the reasons why its exclusive.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/19/ea-explains-titanfalls-exclusivity-on-xbox-and-pc
You state the reason. The article stated the reason. Microsoft cut a deal worth a lot of money to EA to make Titanfall an exclusive for Microsoft platforms (XB1, 360, Windows)
I know they cut a deal, they dont release the figures of that agreement. I know they have competent people making these decisions to go exclusive but with the amount of money big games can make, I don't see a reason to go one party anymore. But, maybe Titanfall when they landed the agreement were no so sure it was going to be a super hit and just wanted some guaranteed coin from Microsoft and to be featured in a full marketing campaign. Just wanted to get some discussion going on something non fanboyish here.
I don't know any of the details but I agree that this is probably what was going through the minds of the decisionmakers at EA/Respawn. When you think about EA's optimal use of capital, it makes sense from a risk reward perspective to get committed funding and marketing from a third party on a title that, while looking quite attractive, is completely unproven. Sure Titanfall could be a massive hit and they would be passing up on billions, but if that upside scenario is achieve they will still make a lot of money and can capitalize on this success across platforms with Titanfall 2. But if Titanfall is a bust, like the majority of games that are produced, they would have drastically limited their losses while still giving the game ample opportunity to succeed.

 
I understand why first party games like MLB The Show or the Naughty Dog games from last generation are exclusive to one console, but I cant imagine for the life me why big AAA type games would enter into an agreement to go exclusive. GTA 5 sold something like 30+ MILLION games in the first month out. If they were still exclusive to Sony it would have sold at least 10M copies less just because so many people in the gaming market were on Xbox. So unless Sony was going to pay like a billion dollars to GTA to remain exclusive there was no way in hell they would have remained.

So I dont understand why the biggest Xbone exclusive Titanfall (owned by EA, from makers of COD 4) is not going multiplatform? The money would have to be astronomical to risk going just one platform.

This article did not clear up the reasons why its exclusive.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/19/ea-explains-titanfalls-exclusivity-on-xbox-and-pc
You state the reason. The article stated the reason. Microsoft cut a deal worth a lot of money to EA to make Titanfall an exclusive for Microsoft platforms (XB1, 360, Windows)
I know they cut a deal, they dont release the figures of that agreement. I know they have competent people making these decisions to go exclusive but with the amount of money big games can make, I don't see a reason to go one party anymore. But, maybe Titanfall when they landed the agreement were no so sure it was going to be a super hit and just wanted some guaranteed coin from Microsoft and to be featured in a full marketing campaign. Just wanted to get some discussion going on something non fanboyish here.
I don't know any of the details but I agree that this is probably what was going through the minds of the decisionmakers at EA/Respawn. When you think about EA's optimal use of capital, it makes sense from a risk reward perspective to get committed funding and marketing from a third party on a title that, while looking quite attractive, is completely unproven. Sure Titanfall could be a massive hit and they would be passing up on billions, but if that upside scenario is achieve they will still make a lot of money and can capitalize on this success across platforms with Titanfall 2. But if Titanfall is a bust, like the majority of games that are produced, they would have drastically limited their losses while still giving the game ample opportunity to succeed.
That's how I look at this too. EA is almost certainly getting a very big check from Microsoft to keep this game off the PS4. Yes, it loses some sales as a result, but that check also removes some of the inherent risk that comes along with a new IP. It can also count on Microsoft marketing the hell out of this game, which further increases the value of the franchise. Then when Titanfall 2 comes around, EA is in a stronger position to negotiate an even jucier exclusivity deal or cash in by going multiplatform.

It's hard to evaluate how good a deal this was for EA without knowing the exact terms, but I can definitely see the logic behind agreeing to this.

 
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Yet another reason to skip the XBOX1:

Revealed: spy agencies' covert push to infiltrate virtual world of online games

NSA and GCHQ collect gamers' chats and deploy real-life agents into World of Warcraft and Second Life
World of Warcraft: the NSA described games communities as a 'target-rich network' where potential terrorists could 'hide in plain sight'.
To the National Security Agency analyst writing a briefing to his superiors, the situation was clear: their current surveillance efforts were lacking something. The agency's impressive arsenal of cable taps and sophisticated hacking attacks was not enough. What it really needed was a horde of undercover Orcs.

That vision of spycraft sparked a concerted drive by the NSA and its UK sister agency GCHQ to infiltrate the massive communities playing online games, according to secret documents disclosed by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

The files were obtained by the Guardian and are being published on Monday in partnership with the New York Times and ProPublica.

The agencies, the documents show, have built mass-collection capabilities against the Xbox Live console network, which boasts more than 48 million players. Real-life agents have been deployed into virtual realms, from those Orc hordes in World of Warcraft to the human avatars of Second Life. There were attempts, too, to recruit potential informants from the games' tech-friendly users.

Online gaming is big business, attracting tens of millions of users world wide who inhabit their digital worlds as make-believe characters, living and competing with the avatars of other players. What the intelligence agencies feared, however, was that among these clans of innocent elves and goblins, terrorists were lurking.

The NSA document, written in 2008 and titled Exploiting Terrorist Use of Games & Virtual Environments, stressed the risk of leaving games communities under-monitored, describing them as a "target-rich communications network" where intelligence targets could "hide in plain sight".

Games, the analyst wrote "are an opportunity!". According to the briefing notes, so many different US intelligence agents were conducting operations inside games that a "deconfliction" group was required to ensure they weren't spying on, or interfering with, each other.

If properly exploited, games could produce vast amounts of intelligence, according to the the NSA document. They could be used as a window for hacking attacks, to build pictures of people's social networks through "buddylists and interaction", to make approaches by undercover agents, and to obtain target identifiers (such as profile photos), geolocation, and collection of communications.

The ability to extract communications from talk channels in games would be necessary, the NSA paper argued, because of the potential for them to be used to communicate anonymously: Second Life was enabling anonymous texts and planning to introduce voice calls, while game noticeboards could, it states, be used to share information on the web addresses of terrorism forums.

Given that gaming consoles often include voice headsets, video cameras, and other identifiers, the potential for joining together biometric information with activities was also an exciting one.

But the documents contain no indication that the surveillance ever foiled any terrorism plots, nor is there any clear evidence that terror groups were using the virtual communities to communicate as the intelligence agencies confidently predicted.

The operations raise concerns about the privacy of gamers. It is unclear how the agencies accessed their data, or how many communications were collected. Nor is it clear how the NSA ensured that it was not monitoring innocent Americans whose identity and nationality may have been concealed behind their virtual avatar.

The California-based producer of World of Warcraft said neither the NSA nor GCHQ had sought its permission to gather intelligence inside the game. "We are unaware of any surveillance taking place," said a spokesman for Blizzard Entertainment. "If it was, it would have been done without our knowledge or permission."

Microsoft declined to comment on the latest revelations, as did Philip Rosedale, the founder of Second Life and former CEO of Linden Lab, the game's operator. The company's executives did not respond to requests for comment.

The NSA declined to comment on the surveillance of games. A spokesman for GCHQ said the agency did not "confirm or deny" the revelations but added: "All GCHQ's work is carried out in accordance with a strict legal and policy framework which ensures that its activities are authorised, necessary and proportionate, and there is rigorous oversight, including from the secretary of state, the interception and intelligence services commissioners and the Intelligence and Security Committee."

Though the spy agencies might have been relatively late to virtual worlds and the communities forming there, once the idea had been mooted, they joined in enthusiastically.

In May 2007, the then-chief operating officer of Second Life gave a "brown bag lunch" address at the NSA explaining how his game gave the government "the opportunity to understand the motivation, context and consequent behaviours of non-Americans through observation, without leaving US soil".

One problem the paper's unnamed author and others in the agency faced in making their case – and avoiding suspicion their goal was merely trying to play computer games at work without getting fired – was the difficulty of proving terrorists were even thinking about using games to communicate.

A 2007 invitation to a secret internal briefing noted "terrorists use online games – but perhaps not for their amusement. They are suspected of using them to communicate secretly and to transfer funds." But the agencies had yet to find any evidence to support their suspicions.

The same still seemed to hold true a year later, albeit with a measure of progress: games data that had been found in connection with IPs, email addresses and similar information linked to terrorist groups.

"Al-Qaida terrorist target selectors and … have been found associated with XboxLive, Second Life, World of Warcraft, and other GVEs [Games and Virtual Environments]," the document notes. "Other targets include Chinese hackers, an Iranian nuclear scientist, Hizballah, and Hamas members."

However, that information wasn not enough to show terrorists are hiding out as pixels to discuss their next plot. Such data could merely mean someone else in an internet café was gaming, or a shared computer had previously been used to play games.

That lack of knowledge of whether terrorists were actually plotting online emerges in the document's recommendations: "The amount of GVEs in the world is growing but the specific ones that CT [counter-terrorism] needs to be methodically discovered and validated," it stated. "Only then can we find evidence that GVEs are being used for operational uses."

Not actually knowing whether terrorists were playing games was not enough to keep the intelligence agencies out of them, however. According to the document, GCHQ – the UK's equivalent to the NSA – already had a "vigorous effort" to exploit games, including "exploitation modules" against Xbox Live and World of Warcraft.

That NSA effort, based in the agency's New Mission Development Centre in the Menwith Hill UK air force base in North Yorkshire, was already paying dividends by May 2008.

At the request of GCHQ, the NSA had begun a deliberate effort to extract World of Warcraft metadata from their troves of intelligence, and trying to link "accounts, characters and guilds" to Islamic extremism and arms dealing efforts. A later memo noted that among the game's active subscribers were "telecom engineers, embassy drivers, scientists, the military and other intelligence agencies".

The UK agency did not stop at World of Warcraft, though: by September a memo noted GCHQ had "successfully been able to get the discussions between different game players on Xbox Live".

Meanwhile, the FBI, CIA, and the Defense Humint Service were all running human intelligence operations – undercover agents – within the virtual world of Second Life. In fact, so crowded were the virtual worlds with staff from the different agencies, that there was a need to try to "deconflict" their efforts – or, in other words, to make sure each agency wasn't just duplicating what the others were doing.

By the end of 2008, such human intelligence efforts had produced at least one usable piece of intelligence, according to the documents: following the successful takedown of a website used to trade stolen credit card details, the fraudsters moved to Second Life – and GCHQ followed, having gained their first "operational deployment" into the virtual world. This, they noted, put them in touch with an "avatar [game character] who helpfully volunteered information on the target group's latest activities".

Second Life continued to occupy the intelligence agencies' thoughts throughout 2009. One memo noted the game's economy was "essentially unregulated" and so "will almost certainly be used as a venue for terrorist laundering and will, with certainty, be used for terrorist propaganda and recruitment".

In reality, Second Life's surreal and uneven virtual world failed to attract or maintain the promised mass-audience, and attention (and its userbase) waned, though the game lives on.

The agencies had other concerns about games, beyond their potential use by terrorists to communicate. Much like the pressure groups that worry about the effect of computer games on the minds of children, the NSA expressed concerns that games could be used to "reinforce prejudices and cultural stereotypes", noting that Hezbollah had produced a game called Special Forces 2.

According to the document, Hezbollah's "press section acknowledges [the game] is used for recruitment and training", serving as a "radicalising medium" with the ultimate goal of becoming a "suicide martyr". Despite the game's disturbing connotations, the "fun factor" of the game cannot be discounted, it states. As Special Forces 2 retails for $10, it concludes, the game also serves to "fund terrorist operations".

Hezbollah is not, however, the only organizsation to have considered using games for recruiting. As the NSA document acknowledges: they got the idea from the US army.

"America's Army is a US army-produced game that is free [to] download from its recruitment page," says the NSA, noting the game is "acknowledged to be so good at this the army no longer needs to use it for recruitment, they use it for training".

http://www.theguardi...life?CMP=twt_gu
 
Earlier in this travesty of a thread, I posted that I was experiencing diminished picture quality when running a DirecTV receiver through the Xbox One. It was noticeable and unacceptable to me.

Turns out you must use the Xbox supplied HDMI cable to run from the xbox out to the TV to AVR. Counterintuitively, that flimsy looking xbox cable performs perfectly. Picture quality is just as good as running the DTV box straight to the TV.

I was able to take advantage of the pass through features which I really like. Switching back & forth between games, TV, Netflix, etc is well done, especially when playing a game and while keeping an eye on the football games in the corner.

The smartglass app on the iphone and ipad is pretty convenient also. I can use either iOS device as a full remote control, running the whole dashboard without the need to turn a controller on. It can also control volume, channel and power of my TV and AV receiver.

With only a DTV remote and my phone or ipad nearby, my coffee table is way less cluttered without having to buy a harmony remote.

I'm not a fan of talking to my TV, but I can just say "Xbox On" and it turns on the xbox, DVR, TV and receiver. My wife and kid really like this.

All that considered, I am much happier with the system than I was last week.

 
Earlier in this travesty of a thread, I posted that I was experiencing diminished picture quality when running a DirecTV receiver through the Xbox One. It was noticeable and unacceptable to me.

Turns out you must use the Xbox supplied HDMI cable to run from the xbox out to the TV to AVR. Counterintuitively, that flimsy looking xbox cable performs perfectly. Picture quality is just as good as running the DTV box straight to the TV.

I was able to take advantage of the pass through features which I really like. Switching back & forth between games, TV, Netflix, etc is well done, especially when playing a game and while keeping an eye on the football games in the corner.

The smartglass app on the iphone and ipad is pretty convenient also. I can use either iOS device as a full remote control, running the whole dashboard without the need to turn a controller on. It can also control volume, channel and power of my TV and AV receiver.

With only a DTV remote and my phone or ipad nearby, my coffee table is way less cluttered without having to buy a harmony remote.

I'm not a fan of talking to my TV, but I can just say "Xbox On" and it turns on the xbox, DVR, TV and receiver. My wife and kid really like this.

All that considered, I am much happier with the system than I was last week.
Damn, that makes two extension cables I'll need to purchase. One for the Kinect, one for the TV. Not to mention, my controller disconnects every 15 minutes and they want me to mail it back on my dime. No bueno.

Does anyone know... if I were to switch to PS4, would MS credit or transfer the 1 year of XB Live to a friend? I'm already in the hole for a hard copy of Madden, but talks with support have net'd free copies of Ryse and Forza. I was a PS3 guy, but the free games, tie to XBL and the TV function is keeping me here with XB1. IMO the PS4 guys can't say their console has the most hardware upside just because they have slightly higher specs on paper. We said the same with the PS3, but never saw a real difference. Microsoft actually aimed higher with the HDMI passthrough. I can't begin to tell you how great it's been seamlessly shifting from gaming to TV these last few weeks. I find myself gaming more since I can play at commercials or play while a college football game is in the corner. It's awesome. No lag, smooth as silk.

 
Earlier in this travesty of a thread, I posted that I was experiencing diminished picture quality when running a DirecTV receiver through the Xbox One. It was noticeable and unacceptable to me.

Turns out you must use the Xbox supplied HDMI cable to run from the xbox out to the TV to AVR. Counterintuitively, that flimsy looking xbox cable performs perfectly. Picture quality is just as good as running the DTV box straight to the TV.

I was able to take advantage of the pass through features which I really like. Switching back & forth between games, TV, Netflix, etc is well done, especially when playing a game and while keeping an eye on the football games in the corner.

The smartglass app on the iphone and ipad is pretty convenient also. I can use either iOS device as a full remote control, running the whole dashboard without the need to turn a controller on. It can also control volume, channel and power of my TV and AV receiver.

With only a DTV remote and my phone or ipad nearby, my coffee table is way less cluttered without having to buy a harmony remote.

I'm not a fan of talking to my TV, but I can just say "Xbox On" and it turns on the xbox, DVR, TV and receiver. My wife and kid really like this.

All that considered, I am much happier with the system than I was last week.
Damn, that makes two extension cables I'll need to purchase. One for the Kinect, one for the TV. Not to mention, my controller disconnects every 15 minutes and they want me to mail it back on my dime. No bueno.

Does anyone know... if I were to switch to PS4, would MS credit or transfer the 1 year of XB Live to a friend? I'm already in the hole for a hard copy of Madden, but talks with support have net'd free copies of Ryse and Forza. I was a PS3 guy, but the free games, tie to XBL and the TV function is keeping me here with XB1. IMO the PS4 guys can't say their console has the most hardware upside just because they have slightly higher specs on paper. We said the same with the PS3, but never saw a real difference. Microsoft actually aimed higher with the HDMI passthrough. I can't begin to tell you how great it's been seamlessly shifting from gaming to TV these last few weeks. I find myself gaming more since I can play at commercials or play while a college football game is in the corner. It's awesome. No lag, smooth as silk.
That was last gen. This is the current gen. We already know that developers aren't shooting for console parity and that one console in particular is going to consistently benefit as a result.

 
Earlier in this travesty of a thread, I posted that I was experiencing diminished picture quality when running a DirecTV receiver through the Xbox One. It was noticeable and unacceptable to me.

Turns out you must use the Xbox supplied HDMI cable to run from the xbox out to the TV to AVR. Counterintuitively, that flimsy looking xbox cable performs perfectly. Picture quality is just as good as running the DTV box straight to the TV.

I was able to take advantage of the pass through features which I really like. Switching back & forth between games, TV, Netflix, etc is well done, especially when playing a game and while keeping an eye on the football games in the corner.

The smartglass app on the iphone and ipad is pretty convenient also. I can use either iOS device as a full remote control, running the whole dashboard without the need to turn a controller on. It can also control volume, channel and power of my TV and AV receiver.

With only a DTV remote and my phone or ipad nearby, my coffee table is way less cluttered without having to buy a harmony remote.

I'm not a fan of talking to my TV, but I can just say "Xbox On" and it turns on the xbox, DVR, TV and receiver. My wife and kid really like this.

All that considered, I am much happier with the system than I was last week.
Have you used the fantasy football app at all. The fantasy football app looked interesting but I didn't know if it was going to be the same as a website dashboard or if you could modify it for your league.

 
I understand why first party games like MLB The Show or the Naughty Dog games from last generation are exclusive to one console, but I cant imagine for the life me why big AAA type games would enter into an agreement to go exclusive. GTA 5 sold something like 30+ MILLION games in the first month out. If they were still exclusive to Sony it would have sold at least 10M copies less just because so many people in the gaming market were on Xbox. So unless Sony was going to pay like a billion dollars to GTA to remain exclusive there was no way in hell they would have remained.

So I dont understand why the biggest Xbone exclusive Titanfall (owned by EA, from makers of COD 4) is not going multiplatform? The money would have to be astronomical to risk going just one platform.

This article did not clear up the reasons why its exclusive.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/19/ea-explains-titanfalls-exclusivity-on-xbox-and-pc
You state the reason. The article stated the reason. Microsoft cut a deal worth a lot of money to EA to make Titanfall an exclusive for Microsoft platforms (XB1, 360, Windows)
I know they cut a deal, they dont release the figures of that agreement. I know they have competent people making these decisions to go exclusive but with the amount of money big games can make, I don't see a reason to go one party anymore. But, maybe Titanfall when they landed the agreement were no so sure it was going to be a super hit and just wanted some guaranteed coin from Microsoft and to be featured in a full marketing campaign. Just wanted to get some discussion going on something non fanboyish here.
I don't know any of the details but I agree that this is probably what was going through the minds of the decisionmakers at EA/Respawn. When you think about EA's optimal use of capital, it makes sense from a risk reward perspective to get committed funding and marketing from a third party on a title that, while looking quite attractive, is completely unproven. Sure Titanfall could be a massive hit and they would be passing up on billions, but if that upside scenario is achieve they will still make a lot of money and can capitalize on this success across platforms with Titanfall 2. But if Titanfall is a bust, like the majority of games that are produced, they would have drastically limited their losses while still giving the game ample opportunity to succeed.
I remember reading a article about this. Basically MS was kinda mad that the guys that made Halo were making Destiny and refused to make it a MS exclusive. There was some bad blood and the Destiny guys offered the exclusive content for Destiny to Sony. MS with the loss of the Halo guys were going to continue with Halo but went looking for another signature exclusive series and settled on Titanfall and made the appropriate arrangements.

 
Reviews have been stating that the graphics on multiplatform games look better on PS4 but the frame rates have been worse. That's one of the things I'm interested in seeing play out over the next 6-12 months. It may be that the PS4 is objectively superior in every way, but I think it's too early to close up shop and declare total victory on the graphics.

 
Earlier in this travesty of a thread, I posted that I was experiencing diminished picture quality when running a DirecTV receiver through the Xbox One. It was noticeable and unacceptable to me.

Turns out you must use the Xbox supplied HDMI cable to run from the xbox out to the TV to AVR. Counterintuitively, that flimsy looking xbox cable performs perfectly. Picture quality is just as good as running the DTV box straight to the TV.

I was able to take advantage of the pass through features which I really like. Switching back & forth between games, TV, Netflix, etc is well done, especially when playing a game and while keeping an eye on the football games in the corner.

The smartglass app on the iphone and ipad is pretty convenient also. I can use either iOS device as a full remote control, running the whole dashboard without the need to turn a controller on. It can also control volume, channel and power of my TV and AV receiver.

With only a DTV remote and my phone or ipad nearby, my coffee table is way less cluttered without having to buy a harmony remote.

I'm not a fan of talking to my TV, but I can just say "Xbox On" and it turns on the xbox, DVR, TV and receiver. My wife and kid really like this.

All that considered, I am much happier with the system than I was last week.
Have you used the fantasy football app at all. The fantasy football app looked interesting but I didn't know if it was going to be the same as a website dashboard or if you could modify it for your league.
Sorry. I don't play magic football

 
Earlier in this travesty of a thread, I posted that I was experiencing diminished picture quality when running a DirecTV receiver through the Xbox One. It was noticeable and unacceptable to me.

Turns out you must use the Xbox supplied HDMI cable to run from the xbox out to the TV to AVR. Counterintuitively, that flimsy looking xbox cable performs perfectly. Picture quality is just as good as running the DTV box straight to the TV.

I was able to take advantage of the pass through features which I really like. Switching back & forth between games, TV, Netflix, etc is well done, especially when playing a game and while keeping an eye on the football games in the corner.

The smartglass app on the iphone and ipad is pretty convenient also. I can use either iOS device as a full remote control, running the whole dashboard without the need to turn a controller on. It can also control volume, channel and power of my TV and AV receiver.

With only a DTV remote and my phone or ipad nearby, my coffee table is way less cluttered without having to buy a harmony remote.

I'm not a fan of talking to my TV, but I can just say "Xbox On" and it turns on the xbox, DVR, TV and receiver. My wife and kid really like this.

All that considered, I am much happier with the system than I was last week.
Have you used the fantasy football app at all. The fantasy football app looked interesting but I didn't know if it was going to be the same as a website dashboard or if you could modify it for your league.
Sorry. I don't play magic football
Really? How did you end up on a fantasy football website?

 
Reviews have been stating that the graphics on multiplatform games look better on PS4 but the frame rates have been worse. That's one of the things I'm interested in seeing play out over the next 6-12 months. It may be that the PS4 is objectively superior in every way, but I think it's too early to close up shop and declare total victory on the graphics.
Here is what was weird about that. At launch it was widely reported that there was a slight judder on xbox when the frame rate when it sometimes dropped to 50 FPS and that the PS4 had a frame rate drop that would slow the video to a crawl.

As it turns out it was not a frame rate drop but the PS4 was spiking the frame rate to over the 60FPS and the video is restricted to 60 FPS. It appears to have been a Call of Duty bug that has been patched and was also less prominent in the free to play Warframe.

Personally I was relieved that the issue was the system was "overpowered" and they were able to tone it down to 60 FPS than underpowered and dropping to 50 FPS like the xbox version.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/11/call-of-duty-ghosts-frame-rate-on-playstation-4-is-too-high/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-whats-fixed-and-whats-not-in-the-cod-ghosts-ps4-patch

http://www.psu.com/a021730/

http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/call_of_duty_ghosts/news/call_of_duty_ghosts_ps4_judder_caused_by_frame_rate_exceeding_60fps.html

 

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