Yet another Pitt Bull attack (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

When you answer, keep in mind that the follow up question is going to ask why you wouldn't just get another breed of dog. With so many breeds of dogs, especially so many that are great as family dogs, why would someone choose a pitbull to bring into their family with young kids? I get that neutering him and training him will make it much less risky, but when the result of being wrong is so devastating and those risks are obviously lower with other breeds, how does that decision come about without there being an obvious benefit to owning a pit bull over other breeds.

 

[Chaka]

Just curious and this is a serious question:What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

Is there any answer that will really satisfy you?I have never owned one but in my experience they are very affectionate, sometimes to the point of being needy actually, and they are loyal to a fault.

 

[gianmarco]

Just curious and this is a serious question:What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

I've fostered easily 100 dogs and dozens of pitbulls and they have to be the most loving and affectionate breed. The one's I typically get just want to be loved almost to a fault. They think they're 40lb lap dogs. Its really a site to see; if you're a dog lover that is. You have this absolute physical specimen that is just so goofy and submissive. And they can take some serious abuse from the kids without a peep. I've never heard of them mentioned as a great breed to own, but that's why I love them.

I can say the same about boxers and other dogs as well. They aren't the only "loving and affectionate breed". In fact, most dogs I've met in people's homes are "the most loving and affectionate" animal. So, anything else?

 

[AmosMoses]

Just curious and this is a serious question:What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable petes? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

I've fostered easily 100 dogs and dozens of pitbulls and they have to be the most loving and affectionate breed until they eat your first born child. The one's I typically get just want to be loved almost to a fault until they kill your neighbor while they were walking to their mailbox. They think they're 40lb lap dogs, because it's easier to chew your face off by standing on your lap. Its really a site to see; if you're a dog lover that is, if you still have your eyes. You have this absolute physical specimen that is just so goofy and submissive and murderous. And they can take some serious abuse from the kids without a peep until they kill them. I've never heard of them mentioned as a great breed to own, but that's why I love them, I hope they don't kill me in my sleep.

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[gianmarco]

Just curious and this is a serious question:What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

Is there any answer that will really satisfy you?I have never owned one but in my experience they are very affectionate, sometimes to the point of being needy actually, and they are loyal to a fault.

Again, I'm trying to understand what makes owning one so wonderful. If there's an answer to that, I'm absolutely willing to listen. This "they're so affectionate" is nonsense, though. There are LOTS of "affectionate" breeds of dogs that don't have the same number of humans killed assigned to them.

 

[gianmarco]

Just curious and this is a serious question:What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable petes? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

I've fostered easily 100 dogs and dozens of pitbulls and they have to be the most loving and affectionate breed until they eat your first born child. The one's I typically get just want to be loved almost to a fault until they kill your neighbor while they were walking to their mailbox. They think they're 40lb lap dogs, because it's easier to chew your face off by standing on your lap. Its really a site to see; if you're a dog lover that is, if you still have your eyes. You have this absolute physical specimen that is just so goofy and submissive and murderous. And they can take some serious abuse from the kids without a peep until they kill them. I've never heard of them mentioned as a great breed to own, but that's why I love them, I hope they don't kill me in my sleep.

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[Chaka]

When you answer, keep in mind that the follow up question is going to ask why you wouldn't just get another breed of dog. With so many breeds of dogs, especially so many that are great as family dogs, why would someone choose a pitbull to bring into their family with young kids? I get that neutering him and training him will make it much less risky, but when the result of being wrong is so devastating and those risks are obviously lower with other breeds, how does that decision come about without there being an obvious benefit to owning a pit bull over other breeds.

You can be wrong with any breed. We used to breed Dobermans, had maybe 100 overall and they were all great except one which bit my mother in the face. We put him down the next day but I would not indict the entire breed based upon that and neither would my mother.You can make your same argument about having children? Why would you want to when they could grow up to be a piece-of-####? And there are probably just as many piece-of-#### humans per capita as there are piece-of-#### pit bulls (more IMO). All we can do is make laws to discourage them from being pieces-of-####, or encourages people to be responsible pet owners.You can do everything right with pretty much anything and it might still go horribly wrong. Humans, dogs, guns, swimming pools, cars, drinking water, ice cream, recycling bins, etc.

 

[NutterButter]

Just curious and this is a serious question:What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

Is there any answer that will really satisfy you?I have never owned one but in my experience they are very affectionate, sometimes to the point of being needy actually, and they are loyal to a fault.

Again, I'm trying to understand what makes owning one so wonderful. If there's an answer to that, I'm absolutely willing to listen. This "they're so affectionate" is nonsense, though. There are LOTS of "affectionate" breeds of dogs that don't have the same number of humans killed assigned to them.

I answered your question. That's the paradox that is the pit bull. Capable of so much love, but capable of so much destruction if in the wrong hands. Like I said, I've had dozen of them and I've never once experienced any excessive aggressiveness beyond what you'd get from two dogs getting into a pissing contest. This leads me to believe that you really need to systematically train them to really get them to that point. I imagine that applies to a lot of breeds. Its there physical attributes that really separate them from the rest. They're the perfect combination of speed, agility, strength and toughness.

 

[eoMMan]

Just curious and this is a serious question:What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

Is there any answer that will really satisfy you?I have never owned one but in my experience they are very affectionate, sometimes to the point of being needy actually, and they are loyal to a fault.

Also, some people just like the way a dog looks. Pitbulls are cool looking dogs. I think that's a big reason why bulldogs are so popular. Yeah, they have awesome temperaments but they very cool looking dogs. People are around their dogs a lot...why subject yourself to something ugly?

 

[AmosMoses]

When you answer, keep in mind that the follow up question is going to ask why you wouldn't just get another breed of dog. With so many breeds of dogs, especially so many that are great as family dogs, why would someone choose a pitbull to bring into their family with young kids? I get that neutering him and training him will make it much less risky, but when the result of being wrong is so devastating and those risks are obviously lower with other breeds, how does that decision come about without there being an obvious benefit to owning a pit bull over other breeds.

You can be wrong with any breed. We used to breed Dobermans, had maybe 100 overall and they were all great except one which bit my mother in the face. We put him down the next day but I would not indict the entire breed based upon that and neither would my mother.You can make your same argument about having children? Why would you want to when they could grow up to be a piece-of-####? And there are probably just as many piece-of-#### humans per capita as there are piece-of-#### pit bulls (more IMO). All we can do is make laws to discourage them from being pieces-of-####, or encourages people to be responsible pet owners.You can do everything right with pretty much anything and it might still go horribly wrong. Humans, dogs, guns, swimming pools, cars, drinking water, ice cream, recycling bins, etc.

Throughout this thread you've asked for statistics. I thought you'd be the last person to make them up. I guess it just depends on which side you are on.

 

[Chaka]

Just curious and this is a serious question:What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

Is there any answer that will really satisfy you?I have never owned one but in my experience they are very affectionate, sometimes to the point of being needy actually, and they are loyal to a fault.

Again, I'm trying to understand what makes owning one so wonderful. If there's an answer to that, I'm absolutely willing to listen. This "they're so affectionate" is nonsense, though. There are LOTS of "affectionate" breeds of dogs that don't have the same number of humans killed assigned to them.

Well I really didn't want to get into breed conformation but that is also a big reason (if not the biggest) people gravitate to certain breeds. They simply like the way they look.You don't like the answer but it's still true. The American Staffordshire Terrier was the number one companion dog in this country for generations because of their loyalty, affection and fearlessness. You might think it is easy to find those characteristics in any breed but your opinion on that is just as subjective as the people who love the breed and swear by their distinction in those characteristics.Personally our family loves Dobermans, which were every bit as vilified in the public eye back in the 70s & 80s. We find them to be loyal, affectionate and supremely intelligent but one of the real distinctions you see from a well bred Dobie compared to a Pit Bull is Dobies are generally aloof to humans that are not part of their pack. A pit generally just wants to be pet and loved by everyone (they're not too bright either IMO) and will approach anyone to get that affection. And if the humans don't give that affection the pit eats them.

 

[NutterButter]

Just curious and this is a serious question:What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

I've fostered easily 100 dogs and dozens of pitbulls and they have to be the most loving and affectionate breed. The one's I typically get just want to be loved almost to a fault. They think they're 40lb lap dogs. Its really a site to see; if you're a dog lover that is. You have this absolute physical specimen that is just so goofy and submissive. And they can take some serious abuse from the kids without a peep. I've never heard of them mentioned as a great breed to own, but that's why I love them.

I can say the same about boxers and other dogs as well. They aren't the only "loving and affectionate breed". In fact, most dogs I've met in people's homes are "the most loving and affectionate" animal. So, anything else?

yeah, but boxers are absolute nuts. a boxer is much more likely to knock my kid halfway across the room or jump up on my kid. pit bulls are so much more subdued. that's my biggest problem with my non-pitbull fosters is that they're so energetic. they get an acre of property to run on and then they come in the house and they're still bouncing off the walls. like most things, you really have to experience the level of affection to understand what I'm saying. I'm not trying to convince you. Nor do I have any type of agenda. I love pit bulls and it would sadden me if they were banned, but things like puppy mills and the millions of dogs that are euthanized every year sadden me even more.

 

[eoMMan]

Warning...the following link has a messed up pic of the kid healing...

3 year old Boy left horrific face injuries from LABRADOR.

 

[Chaka]

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<br>When you answer, keep in mind that the follow up question is going to ask why you wouldn't just get another breed of dog.  With so many breeds of dogs, especially so many that are great as family dogs, why would someone choose a pitbull to bring into their family with young kids?  I get that neutering him and training him will make it much less risky, but when the result of being wrong is so devastating and those risks are obviously lower with other breeds, how does that decision come about without there being an obvious benefit to owning a pit bull over other breeds.<br>

You can be wrong with any breed.  We used to breed Dobermans, had maybe 100 overall and they were all great except one which bit my mother in the face.  We put him down the next day but I would not indict the entire breed based upon that and neither would my mother.<br><br>You can make your same argument about having children?  Why would you want to when they could grow up to be a piece-of-####?  And there are <font size="4"><b>probably</b></font> just as many piece-of-#### humans per capita as there are piece-of-#### pit bulls (more <font size="4"><b>IMO</b></font&gt.  All we can do is make laws to discourage them from being pieces-of-####, or encourages people to be responsible pet owners.<br><br>You can do everything right with pretty much anything and it might still go horribly wrong.  Humans, dogs, guns, swimming pools, cars, drinking water, ice cream, recycling bins, etc.<br>

<br>Throughout this thread you've asked for statistics.  I thought you'd be the last person to make them up.  I guess it just depends on which side you are on.<br>

What in the world are you talking about?  What statistics did I provide or claim to provide?

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

The American Staffordshire Terrier was the number one companion dog in this country for generations...

Really?

 

[gianmarco]

When you answer, keep in mind that the follow up question is going to ask why you wouldn't just get another breed of dog. With so many breeds of dogs, especially so many that are great as family dogs, why would someone choose a pitbull to bring into their family with young kids? I get that neutering him and training him will make it much less risky, but when the result of being wrong is so devastating and those risks are obviously lower with other breeds, how does that decision come about without there being an obvious benefit to owning a pit bull over other breeds.

You can be wrong with any breed. We used to breed Dobermans, had maybe 100 overall and they were all great except one which bit my mother in the face. We put him down the next day but I would not indict the entire breed based upon that and neither would my mother.You can make your same argument about having children? Why would you want to when they could grow up to be a piece-of-####? And there are probably just as many piece-of-#### humans per capita as there are piece-of-#### pit bulls (more IMO). All we can do is make laws to discourage them from being pieces-of-####, or encourages people to be responsible pet owners.You can do everything right with pretty much anything and it might still go horribly wrong. Humans, dogs, guns, swimming pools, cars, drinking water, ice cream, recycling bins, etc.

That's exactly my point. I'd rather be "wrong" with a breed that isn't as likely to cause serious injury/death. So when the positives are similar and the negatives, even if very unlikely, can be so catastrophic, I don't understand why someone would choose to bring a pit bull into a family with children. FWIW, I'm in no way in favor of eliminating the breed. I completely understand that the vast majority of pit bulls are very good dogs. I understand that well-trained dogs are even more unlikely to cause a problem. But, I also know that they are still animals and that any animal, no matter how well trained, can potentially snap. Even ignoring the issue of behavior and training, a sick dog may unknowingly attack. But, when pitbulls attack, they absolutely cause far more damage than when other dogs do in general. So, when you consider that, I couldn't imagine putting my kids at risk when there are so many comparable alternatives without that downside. If you're an adult without kids, own as many pitbulls as you want. Personally, I think the consequences of a pitbull attack should be pretty harsh. If someone is willing to accept that risk, then go for it. Sure, there are lots of activities that my son goes through on a daily basis that are more dangerous. Swimming, driving in a car, etc. But there are clear benefits to lots of those activities and often there aren't comparable substitutes. When discussing pit bulls, I can list 20 comparable "affectionate" dogs that make great pets, are easily trained, and in the event they decide to attack, are far less likely to do the same amount of damage a pitbull would. Call me crazy but I just don't see that as a necessary risk to take with my own kid

 

[AmosMoses]

Warning...the following link has a messed up pic of the kid healing...

3 year old Boy left horrific face injuries from LABRADOR.

icon is about 30000000000 news articles ahead of you. I think he can take 2012 off and that would still be the case. GLWT though

 

[gianmarco]

Just curious and this is a serious question:What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

Is there any answer that will really satisfy you?I have never owned one but in my experience they are very affectionate, sometimes to the point of being needy actually, and they are loyal to a fault.

Also, some people just like the way a dog looks. Pitbulls are cool looking dogs. I think that's a big reason why bulldogs are so popular. Yeah, they have awesome temperaments but they very cool looking dogs. People are around their dogs a lot...why subject yourself to something ugly?

You know, I buy that answer much more than because of the affectionate nature of the dog.

 

[AmosMoses]

When you answer, keep in mind that the follow up question is going to ask why you wouldn't just get another breed of dog. With so many breeds of dogs, especially so many that are great as family dogs, why would someone choose a pitbull to bring into their family with young kids? I get that neutering him and training him will make it much less risky, but when the result of being wrong is so devastating and those risks are obviously lower with other breeds, how does that decision come about without there being an obvious benefit to owning a pit bull over other breeds.

You can be wrong with any breed. We used to breed Dobermans, had maybe 100 overall and they were all great except one which bit my mother in the face. We put him down the next day but I would not indict the entire breed based upon that and neither would my mother.You can make your same argument about having children? Why would you want to when they could grow up to be a piece-of-####? And there are probably just as many piece-of-#### humans per capita as there are piece-of-#### pit bulls (more IMO). All we can do is make laws to discourage them from being pieces-of-####, or encourages people to be responsible pet owners.

You can do everything right with pretty much anything and it might still go horribly wrong. Humans, dogs, guns, swimming pools, cars, drinking water, ice cream, recycling bins, etc.

Throughout this thread you've asked for statistics. I thought you'd be the last person to make them up. I guess it just depends on which side you are on.

What in the world are you talking about? What statistics did I provide in this post?

Good work counselor. Make sure you tell us to use the word allegedly as well.

 

[gianmarco]

Just curious and this is a serious question:

What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

I've fostered easily 100 dogs and dozens of pitbulls and they have to be the most loving and affectionate breed. The one's I typically get just want to be loved almost to a fault. They think they're 40lb lap dogs. Its really a site to see; if you're a dog lover that is. You have this absolute physical specimen that is just so goofy and submissive. And they can take some serious abuse from the kids without a peep. I've never heard of them mentioned as a great breed to own, but that's why I love them.

I can say the same about boxers and other dogs as well. They aren't the only "loving and affectionate breed". In fact, most dogs I've met in people's homes are "the most loving and affectionate" animal. So, anything else?

yeah, but boxers are absolute nuts. a boxer is much more likely to knock my kid halfway across the room or jump up on my kid. pit bulls are so much more subdued. that's my biggest problem with my non-pitbull fosters is that they're so energetic. they get an acre of property to run on and then they come in the house and they're still bouncing off the walls. like most things, you really have to experience the level of affection to understand what I'm saying. I'm not trying to convince you. Nor do I have any type of agenda. I love pit bulls and it would sadden me if they were banned, but things like puppy mills and the millions of dogs that are euthanized every year sadden me even more.

Not if they are trained well . You know, the kind of training that pit bull owners say they give to their own dogs to ensure they don't decide to become murderers.

Considering that boxers are amongst the most popular and recommended family dogs, if they were truly knocking kids halfway across rooms, you'd think we'd be hearing about it and their popularity would die down.

 

[Charlie Frown]

Warning...the following link has a messed up pic of the kid healing...

3 year old Boy left horrific face injuries from LABRADOR.

Chicks dig scars and he's got a dandy.

 

[eoMMan]

Warning...the following link has a messed up pic of the kid healing...

3 year old Boy left horrific face injuries from LABRADOR.

icon is about 30000000000 news articles ahead of you. I think he can take 2012 off and that would still be the case. GLWT though

Yes, and they will continue to lead because of POS owners.

 

[jomar]

Warning...the following link has a messed up pic of the kid healing...

3 year old Boy left horrific face injuries from LABRADOR.

looks like a Lab-Pit mix to me

 

[Captain Quinoa]

jomar, you are fighting a good fight but it doesn't matter what articles/research/studies you post, it won't matter. Icon and the others will never change their opinion on this.

I know. another slow day at work.....maybe there's somebody else out there reading who might think twice about their stance on this issue.

Let's hope so. It would be a travesty to have fewer pit bull owners.

 

[AmosMoses]

Warning...the following link has a messed up pic of the kid healing...

3 year old Boy left horrific face injuries from LABRADOR.

icon is about 30000000000 news articles ahead of you. I think he can take 2012 off and that would still be the case. GLWT though

Yes, and they will continue to lead because of POS ownersthey are murderdogs.

fixedYou guys really go heavy with the misinformation.

 

[Chaka]

The American Staffordshire Terrier was the number one companion dog in this country for generations...

Really?

Yes. In the late 19th and early 20th century.Petey, Buster Brown, Teddy Roosevelt, war propaganda posters for both WWs. They were incredibly popular.Would you be better with it if I said "one of the top"? Although it is difficult to think of another breed that would have surpassed their popularity at least until Rin Tin Tin came around and even then I am not so sure.

 

[eoMMan]

Just curious and this is a serious question:

What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

I've fostered easily 100 dogs and dozens of pitbulls and they have to be the most loving and affectionate breed. The one's I typically get just want to be loved almost to a fault. They think they're 40lb lap dogs. Its really a site to see; if you're a dog lover that is. You have this absolute physical specimen that is just so goofy and submissive. And they can take some serious abuse from the kids without a peep. I've never heard of them mentioned as a great breed to own, but that's why I love them.

I can say the same about boxers and other dogs as well. They aren't the only "loving and affectionate breed". In fact, most dogs I've met in people's homes are "the most loving and affectionate" animal. So, anything else?

yeah, but boxers are absolute nuts. a boxer is much more likely to knock my kid halfway across the room or jump up on my kid. pit bulls are so much more subdued. that's my biggest problem with my non-pitbull fosters is that they're so energetic. they get an acre of property to run on and then they come in the house and they're still bouncing off the walls. like most things, you really have to experience the level of affection to understand what I'm saying. I'm not trying to convince you. Nor do I have any type of agenda. I love pit bulls and it would sadden me if they were banned, but things like puppy mills and the millions of dogs that are euthanized every year sadden me even more.

Not if they are trained well . You know, the kind of training that pit bull owners say they give to their own dogs to ensure they don't decide to become murderers.

Considering that boxers are amongst the most popular and recommended family dogs, if they were truly knocking kids halfway across rooms, you'd think we'd be hearing about it and their popularity would die down.

Boxer kills 4 year old girl.Some family dog, huh?

 

[eoMMan]

Warning...the following link has a messed up pic of the kid healing...

3 year old Boy left horrific face injuries from LABRADOR.

looks like a Lab-Pit mix to me

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

I look at pitbull owners like this.

It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

 

[jomar]

Call me crazy but I just don't see that as a necessary risk to take with my own kid

what are 'necessary risks'? does your kid eat only healthy food? will you let him play football or make him stick to golf or bowling? will he have to wear a bicycle helmet until he is 18? where do you draw the line? all of this assuming a greater risk of .0001 that a Pitbull will eat your kid than a Lab. Note: I'm not buying a Pit from the thug down the street who decided to breed his prized fighting dog and make a little money at $300/pup, then chain the dog up in my backyard. I'm talking a well-bred, well-raised Pit Bull. the risk is in your head.

 

[Chaka]

When you answer, keep in mind that the follow up question is going to ask why you wouldn't just get another breed of dog. With so many breeds of dogs, especially so many that are great as family dogs, why would someone choose a pitbull to bring into their family with young kids? I get that neutering him and training him will make it much less risky, but when the result of being wrong is so devastating and those risks are obviously lower with other breeds, how does that decision come about without there being an obvious benefit to owning a pit bull over other breeds.

You can be wrong with any breed. We used to breed Dobermans, had maybe 100 overall and they were all great except one which bit my mother in the face. We put him down the next day but I would not indict the entire breed based upon that and neither would my mother.You can make your same argument about having children? Why would you want to when they could grow up to be a piece-of-####? And there are probably just as many piece-of-#### humans per capita as there are piece-of-#### pit bulls (more IMO). All we can do is make laws to discourage them from being pieces-of-####, or encourages people to be responsible pet owners.

You can do everything right with pretty much anything and it might still go horribly wrong. Humans, dogs, guns, swimming pools, cars, drinking water, ice cream, recycling bins, etc.

Throughout this thread you've asked for statistics. I thought you'd be the last person to make them up. I guess it just depends on which side you are on.

What in the world are you talking about? What statistics did I provide in this post?

Good work counselor. Make sure you tell us to use the word allegedly as well.

Apology accepted.Now do you dispute my contention? In your opinion are there fewer piece-of-#### humans per capita than pit bulls on the planet? Which ones do more harm per capita in your opinion?

 

[gianmarco]

Just curious and this is a serious question:

What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

I've fostered easily 100 dogs and dozens of pitbulls and they have to be the most loving and affectionate breed. The one's I typically get just want to be loved almost to a fault. They think they're 40lb lap dogs. Its really a site to see; if you're a dog lover that is. You have this absolute physical specimen that is just so goofy and submissive. And they can take some serious abuse from the kids without a peep. I've never heard of them mentioned as a great breed to own, but that's why I love them.

I can say the same about boxers and other dogs as well. They aren't the only "loving and affectionate breed". In fact, most dogs I've met in people's homes are "the most loving and affectionate" animal. So, anything else?

yeah, but boxers are absolute nuts. a boxer is much more likely to knock my kid halfway across the room or jump up on my kid. pit bulls are so much more subdued. that's my biggest problem with my non-pitbull fosters is that they're so energetic. they get an acre of property to run on and then they come in the house and they're still bouncing off the walls. like most things, you really have to experience the level of affection to understand what I'm saying. I'm not trying to convince you. Nor do I have any type of agenda. I love pit bulls and it would sadden me if they were banned, but things like puppy mills and the millions of dogs that are euthanized every year sadden me even more.

Not if they are trained well . You know, the kind of training that pit bull owners say they give to their own dogs to ensure they don't decide to become murderers.

Considering that boxers are amongst the most popular and recommended family dogs, if they were truly knocking kids halfway across rooms, you'd think we'd be hearing about it and their popularity would die down.

Boxer kills 4 year old girl.Some family dog, huh?

You want to go there? I'm quite sure that I can top the numbers for boxers by at least 10 fold with similar pit bull stuff.

Again, virtually every breed of dog (including a chihuahua) has killed a human at some point. Pit bulls have done so far more than any other breed of dog. AINEC.

 

[AmosMoses]

When you answer, keep in mind that the follow up question is going to ask why you wouldn't just get another breed of dog. With so many breeds of dogs, especially so many that are great as family dogs, why would someone choose a pitbull to bring into their family with young kids? I get that neutering him and training him will make it much less risky, but when the result of being wrong is so devastating and those risks are obviously lower with other breeds, how does that decision come about without there being an obvious benefit to owning a pit bull over other breeds.

You can be wrong with any breed. We used to breed Dobermans, had maybe 100 overall and they were all great except one which bit my mother in the face. We put him down the next day but I would not indict the entire breed based upon that and neither would my mother.You can make your same argument about having children? Why would you want to when they could grow up to be a piece-of-####? And there are probably just as many piece-of-#### humans per capita as there are piece-of-#### pit bulls (more IMO). All we can do is make laws to discourage them from being pieces-of-####, or encourages people to be responsible pet owners.

You can do everything right with pretty much anything and it might still go horribly wrong. Humans, dogs, guns, swimming pools, cars, drinking water, ice cream, recycling bins, etc.

Throughout this thread you've asked for statistics. I thought you'd be the last person to make them up. I guess it just depends on which side you are on.

What in the world are you talking about? What statistics did I provide in this post?

Good work counselor. Make sure you tell us to use the word allegedly as well.

Apology accepted.Now do you dispute my contention? In your opinion are there fewer piece-of-#### humans per capita than pit bulls on the planet? Which ones do more harm per capita in your opinion?

There is probably a 100% chance of you getting eaten by a pitbull. I'm just talkin probably here, mind you.

 

[gianmarco]

Call me crazy but I just don't see that as a necessary risk to take with my own kid

what are 'necessary risks'? does your kid eat only healthy food? will you let him play football or make him stick to golf or bowling? will he have to wear a bicycle helmet until he is 18? where do you draw the line? all of this assuming a greater risk of .0001 that a Pitbull will eat your kid than a Lab. Note: I'm not buying a Pit from the thug down the street who decided to breed his prized fighting dog and make a little money at $300/pup, then chain the dog up in my backyard. I'm talking a well-bred, well-raised Pit Bull. the risk is in your head.

When someone gives me a good enough reason to get a Pit over any of 100 other breed of dogs, I'd gladly take the risk. I'm not saying the risk of owning a Pit Bull is so high that I wouldn't consider owning one. I'm saying that risk, when compared other dogs, doesn't make sense, even if incredibly minimal.

 

[eoMMan]

Just curious and this is a serious question:

What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

I've fostered easily 100 dogs and dozens of pitbulls and they have to be the most loving and affectionate breed. The one's I typically get just want to be loved almost to a fault. They think they're 40lb lap dogs. Its really a site to see; if you're a dog lover that is. You have this absolute physical specimen that is just so goofy and submissive. And they can take some serious abuse from the kids without a peep. I've never heard of them mentioned as a great breed to own, but that's why I love them.

I can say the same about boxers and other dogs as well. They aren't the only "loving and affectionate breed". In fact, most dogs I've met in people's homes are "the most loving and affectionate" animal. So, anything else?

yeah, but boxers are absolute nuts. a boxer is much more likely to knock my kid halfway across the room or jump up on my kid. pit bulls are so much more subdued. that's my biggest problem with my non-pitbull fosters is that they're so energetic. they get an acre of property to run on and then they come in the house and they're still bouncing off the walls. like most things, you really have to experience the level of affection to understand what I'm saying. I'm not trying to convince you. Nor do I have any type of agenda. I love pit bulls and it would sadden me if they were banned, but things like puppy mills and the millions of dogs that are euthanized every year sadden me even more.

Not if they are trained well . You know, the kind of training that pit bull owners say they give to their own dogs to ensure they don't decide to become murderers.

Considering that boxers are amongst the most popular and recommended family dogs, if they were truly knocking kids halfway across rooms, you'd think we'd be hearing about it and their popularity would die down.

Boxer kills 4 year old girl.Some family dog, huh?

You want to go there? I'm quite sure that I can top the numbers for boxers by at least 10 fold with similar pit bull stuff.

Again, virtually every breed of dog (including a chihuahua) has killed a human at some point. Pit bulls have done so far more than any other breed of dog. AINEC.

That's not the point and don't change the subject...This is what you said:

Considering that boxers are amongst the most popular and recommended family dogs, if they were truly knocking kids halfway across rooms, you'd think we'd be hearing about it and their popularity would die down.

Why would such a highly recommended family dog kill a little girl?

 

[eoMMan]

Call me crazy but I just don't see that as a necessary risk to take with my own kid

what are 'necessary risks'? does your kid eat only healthy food? will you let him play football or make him stick to golf or bowling? will he have to wear a bicycle helmet until he is 18? where do you draw the line? all of this assuming a greater risk of .0001 that a Pitbull will eat your kid than a Lab. Note: I'm not buying a Pit from the thug down the street who decided to breed his prized fighting dog and make a little money at $300/pup, then chain the dog up in my backyard. I'm talking a well-bred, well-raised Pit Bull. the risk is in your head.

When someone gives me a good enough reason to get a Pit over any of 100 other breed of dogs, I'd gladly take the risk. I'm not saying the risk of owning a Pit Bull is so high that I wouldn't consider owning one. I'm saying that risk, when compared other dogs, doesn't make sense, even if incredibly minimal.

That's why I've decided to never drive on roads that go through woods. You know, all the deer caused auto accidents and all (much higher death rate than pitbull attacks).

 

[Sweet Love]

Just silly that this breed is allowed to procreate. I am just a notch down in my liberalism from Timscochet, yet even I, realize this dog has been bred over generations to a point where it is not safe for humans to be around. I am not saying extermintate them, but even true and mixed bullie, should be required to be spayed or neutered and over the course of the next 30 years, just let the breed go the way of the do-do. If Pits are found over the years during this time; again, it would be inhumane to kill them, but they and their spawn should be neutered/spayed immediately, or else the own surrender them.Reality is, we do not let tigers and gorillas roll around the suburbs, so why should we have this particular breed of dog do so either? It is not the "breed's" fault that they are like this...thug life has turned this animal into a killing machine.

Keep your head in the sand.

The dog which was a national treasure 100 years ago is now some kind of villain.

Again, I am not saying it is the animal's fault, but do you deny that there is a reason that pitbulls specifically are bred for fighting? Guy next door to me has a ####zhu, but for some reason, I don't remember hearing about "the carnage of the shihtzu" anywhere. Reality is, they have a "top 3" rating in bite psi among dog breeds...no question about that. They also are largest percentage breed-wise to be abandoned...literally (according to the link below) 1 in 600 pits will find a "forever home". http://www.the-proper-pitbull.com/pit-bull-rescues.htmlThink about that for a minute...again, not the breed's fault, but they have spun so out-of-control, there is no denying they are are suck on the rescue dog industry (though no rescuers will admit it), and that many dogs with that power to maim on and off the streets is an accident waiting to happen. I am not saying kill the one living (I would NEVER do that...and the shelters are forced to kill thousands a year), but I do think they need to get under control. Do you not think that? Is there a better way to deal with the maiming they are doing??

 

[NutterButter]

Call me crazy but I just don't see that as a necessary risk to take with my own kid

what are 'necessary risks'? does your kid eat only healthy food? will you let him play football or make him stick to golf or bowling? will he have to wear a bicycle helmet until he is 18? where do you draw the line? all of this assuming a greater risk of .0001 that a Pitbull will eat your kid than a Lab. Note: I'm not buying a Pit from the thug down the street who decided to breed his prized fighting dog and make a little money at $300/pup, then chain the dog up in my backyard. I'm talking a well-bred, well-raised Pit Bull. the risk is in your head.

Don't let your kid swim. ~700 kids die each year from drowning. I also have a hard time buying the notion that a dog goes from an absolutely loyal, loving pet with no signs of aggression towards people and then one day just snapping and ripping a kid apart. Again, I base this on my personal experiences (not googling stories) with dozens of pitbull fosters around my own kids. Never once did I ever see the slightest bit of aggression towards a person and my kids are downright abusive. My suspicion is that in a lot of cases, those signs were pretty apparent. If a dog (especially a pit bull b/c of their physical capabilities) ever acted aggressively toward my kids, they'd be gone in an instant.

 

[Chaka]

There is probably a 100% chance of you getting eaten by a pitbull. I'm just talkin probably here, mind you.

So what you're saying is that you got nothing.

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

The American Staffordshire Terrier was the number one companion dog in this country for generations...

Really?

Still waiting

 

[Chaka]

Call me crazy but I just don't see that as a necessary risk to take with my own kid

what are 'necessary risks'? does your kid eat only healthy food? will you let him play football or make him stick to golf or bowling? will he have to wear a bicycle helmet until he is 18? where do you draw the line? all of this assuming a greater risk of .0001 that a Pitbull will eat your kid than a Lab. Note: I'm not buying a Pit from the thug down the street who decided to breed his prized fighting dog and make a little money at $300/pup, then chain the dog up in my backyard. I'm talking a well-bred, well-raised Pit Bull. the risk is in your head.

When someone gives me a good enough reason to get a Pit over any of 100 other breed of dogs, I'd gladly take the risk. I'm not saying the risk of owning a Pit Bull is so high that I wouldn't consider owning one. I'm saying that risk, when compared other dogs, doesn't make sense, even if incredibly minimal.

These are the risks people choose to assume. You have a different threshold.Some people just like the breed, that is the best answer you can give for anything. You can argue why Mac is better than PC or chocolate more than vanilla but people will still choose the one they like. The only way you will change your mind is to start getting to know people with pit bulls and formulate your own opinion.

 

[Chaka]

The American Staffordshire Terrier was the number one companion dog in this country for generations...

Really?

Still waiting

For?

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

The American Staffordshire Terrier was the number one companion dog in this country for generations...

Really?

Still waiting

For?

Citation?

 

[AmosMoses]

There is probably a 100% chance of you getting eaten by a pitbull. I'm just talkin probably here, mind you.

So what you're saying is that you got nothing.

I've got plenty. I probably don't talk with any kind of seriousness when people probably pull a pseudofact out of your bum think they are probably making a point, all the while ask for real documentable facts. So pick a style and go with it.

 

[Chaka]

The American Staffordshire Terrier was the number one companion dog in this country for generations...

Really?

Still waiting

For?

Citation?

You want dog breed statistics from the late 19th and early 20th century? Sorry man, all I have is anecdotal evidence, which I mentioned above. I even offered to change my statement to "on of the most popular breeds" to avoid this exact silliness.

 

[Sweet Love]

Call me crazy but I just don't see that as a necessary risk to take with my own kid

what are 'necessary risks'? does your kid eat only healthy food? will you let him play football or make him stick to golf or bowling? will he have to wear a bicycle helmet until he is 18? where do you draw the line? all of this assuming a greater risk of .0001 that a Pitbull will eat your kid than a Lab. Note: I'm not buying a Pit from the thug down the street who decided to breed his prized fighting dog and make a little money at $300/pup, then chain the dog up in my backyard. I'm talking a well-bred, well-raised Pit Bull. the risk is in your head.

When someone gives me a good enough reason to get a Pit over any of 100 other breed of dogs, I'd gladly take the risk. I'm not saying the risk of owning a Pit Bull is so high that I wouldn't consider owning one. I'm saying that risk, when compared other dogs, doesn't make sense, even if incredibly minimal.

These are the risks people choose to assume. You have a different threshold.Some people just like the breed, that is the best answer you can give for anything. You can argue why Mac is better than PC or chocolate more than vanilla but people will still choose the one they like. The only way you will change your mind is to start getting to know people with pit bulls and formulate your own opinion.

This is well put 9and frankly the truth), but is it not a problem that the choice of breed among seedy people is the pitbull? I like chocolate over vanilla, but my decision on flavor has zero impact on anyone else. If I get a pitbull, treat it wrong, and then it gets out of my yard, is it fair that I chose that particular breed in regards to the impact on my neighbors?? If I chose a "chi-poo" or some crap like that...it would be just an annoying flea running around that may "nip" someone...

 

[Chaka]

There is probably a 100% chance of you getting eaten by a pitbull. I'm just talkin probably here, mind you.

So what you're saying is that you got nothing.

I've got plenty. I probably don't talk with any kind of seriousness when people probably pull a pseudofact out of your bum think they are probably making a point, all the while ask for real documentable facts. So pick a style and go with it.

I offered an opinion and stated it as such. I am not sure why you have such a problem with that.Do you disagree with my opinion? Are there a higher percentage of bad pit bulls than bad humans in your opinion?

 

[Captain Quinoa]

The American Staffordshire Terrier was the number one companion dog in this country for generations...

Really?

Still waiting

For?

Citation?

Petey[1][1]Little Rascals

 

[Chaka]

Call me crazy but I just don't see that as a necessary risk to take with my own kid

what are 'necessary risks'? does your kid eat only healthy food? will you let him play football or make him stick to golf or bowling? will he have to wear a bicycle helmet until he is 18? where do you draw the line? all of this assuming a greater risk of .0001 that a Pitbull will eat your kid than a Lab. Note: I'm not buying a Pit from the thug down the street who decided to breed his prized fighting dog and make a little money at $300/pup, then chain the dog up in my backyard. I'm talking a well-bred, well-raised Pit Bull. the risk is in your head.

When someone gives me a good enough reason to get a Pit over any of 100 other breed of dogs, I'd gladly take the risk. I'm not saying the risk of owning a Pit Bull is so high that I wouldn't consider owning one. I'm saying that risk, when compared other dogs, doesn't make sense, even if incredibly minimal.

These are the risks people choose to assume. You have a different threshold.Some people just like the breed, that is the best answer you can give for anything. You can argue why Mac is better than PC or chocolate more than vanilla but people will still choose the one they like. The only way you will change your mind is to start getting to know people with pit bulls and formulate your own opinion.

This is well put 9and frankly the truth), but is it not a problem that the choice of breed among seedy people is the pitbull? I like chocolate over vanilla, but my decision on flavor has zero impact on anyone else. If I get a pitbull, treat it wrong, and then it gets out of my yard, is it fair that I chose that particular breed in regards to the impact on my neighbors?? If I chose a "chi-poo" or some crap like that...it would be just an annoying flea running around that may "nip" someone...

I am completely on board with the fact that the breed attracts the wrong type of owner. Like many people in here (even the ones on the anti pit bull side) I recognize that eliminating pit bulls, by any means, will not solve that problem.

 

[Sweet Love]

Call me crazy but I just don't see that as a necessary risk to take with my own kid

what are 'necessary risks'? does your kid eat only healthy food? will you let him play football or make him stick to golf or bowling? will he have to wear a bicycle helmet until he is 18? where do you draw the line? all of this assuming a greater risk of .0001 that a Pitbull will eat your kid than a Lab. Note: I'm not buying a Pit from the thug down the street who decided to breed his prized fighting dog and make a little money at $300/pup, then chain the dog up in my backyard. I'm talking a well-bred, well-raised Pit Bull. the risk is in your head.

When someone gives me a good enough reason to get a Pit over any of 100 other breed of dogs, I'd gladly take the risk. I'm not saying the risk of owning a Pit Bull is so high that I wouldn't consider owning one. I'm saying that risk, when compared other dogs, doesn't make sense, even if incredibly minimal.

These are the risks people choose to assume. You have a different threshold.Some people just like the breed, that is the best answer you can give for anything. You can argue why Mac is better than PC or chocolate more than vanilla but people will still choose the one they like. The only way you will change your mind is to start getting to know people with pit bulls and formulate your own opinion.

This is well put 9and frankly the truth), but is it not a problem that the choice of breed among seedy people is the pitbull? I like chocolate over vanilla, but my decision on flavor has zero impact on anyone else. If I get a pitbull, treat it wrong, and then it gets out of my yard, is it fair that I chose that particular breed in regards to the impact on my neighbors?? If I chose a "chi-poo" or some crap like that...it would be just an annoying flea running around that may "nip" someone...

I am completely on board with the fact that the breed attracts the wrong type of owner. Like many people in here (even the ones on the anti pit bull side) I recognize that eliminating pit bulls, by any means, will not solve that problem.

Not being a jerk here, but why?