Yet another Pitt Bull attack (1 Viewer)

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Today's first Pit Bull Mauling Report:

4 pit bull dogs maul Seattle man, firefighters expect he'll recover from puncture wounds

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/8a05b373f1844a898038b0500e47d4a9/WA--Pit-Bull-Attack/

SEATTLE — The fire department says a south Seattle man suffered multiple puncture wounds when he was mauled by four pit bull dogs.

Spokesman Kyle Moore told The Seattle Times (http://is.gd/52Cyxz ) the man has extensive injuries to his head, arm, neck, and an ear but is expected to recover.

Moore says the dog's owners heard the attack Wednesday night, ran out to rescue the man, put him on a wooden pallet and dragged him from the yard to a Jack in the Box restaurant for help.

Moore says the dog's owners heard the attack Wednesday night, ran out to rescue the man, put him on a wooden pallet and dragged him from the yard to a Jack in the Box restaurant for help.

Thankfully this guy will survive.

Guess you conveniently left out the trespassing on their property. Sounds like the dogs were doing what they're supposed to do. Protect property from an invading stranger.

I didn't LEAVE anything out. The story has recently updated at other sources to include details about the guy being on thier property. In that case I don't fault the Pits for attacking.

 

[The Captain]

Honey, we should get a dog for the kids!

How about a pit bull!

But Pit Bulls killed 33 people last year!

But that's not much out of the entire population. I think it's worth the risk!

I wonder how many people drowned in swimming pools last year. I hope you don't let anyone you care about go swimming or, (gasp!) put a pool in their backyard. that certainly can't be worth the risk.

Don't come to my house. I have a pool AND a Pit Bull...:burnmeatthestake:

 

[3C's]

Today's first Pit Bull Mauling Report:

4 pit bull dogs maul Seattle man, firefighters expect he'll recover from puncture wounds

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/8a05b373f1844a898038b0500e47d4a9/WA--Pit-Bull-Attack/

SEATTLE — The fire department says a south Seattle man suffered multiple puncture wounds when he was mauled by four pit bull dogs.

Spokesman Kyle Moore told The Seattle Times (http://is.gd/52Cyxz ) the man has extensive injuries to his head, arm, neck, and an ear but is expected to recover.

Moore says the dog's owners heard the attack Wednesday night, ran out to rescue the man, put him on a wooden pallet and dragged him from the yard to a Jack in the Box restaurant for help.

Moore says the dog's owners heard the attack Wednesday night, ran out to rescue the man, put him on a wooden pallet and dragged him from the yard to a Jack in the Box restaurant for help.

Thankfully this guy will survive.

Guess you conveniently left out the trespassing on their property. Sounds like the dogs were doing what they're supposed to do. Protect property from an invading stranger.

I didn't LEAVE anything out. The story has recently updated at other sources to include details about the guy being on thier property. In that case I don't fault the Pits for attacking.

Sure you did. If you click on the link in your article it takes you to the source article. For whatever reason you chose not to do that and post an article which "supported" your position.

 

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Sure you did. If you click on the link in your article it takes you to the source article. For whatever reason you chose not to do that and post an article which "supported" your position.

ZOMG CONSPIRASEES! Why would i need to cut/paste a second article that said the same thing? I am simply doing a google news search, and posting links. I didn't notice the other articles until you said something. Feel free to poke holes in any of the stories I'm posting but if you think I'm going to go inspector Clousseau all on up every story I link you've lost your mind.

 

[jomar]

for lack of a better place to show this, here's a pic of my Rottweiler with almost 2 year old boy. the dog is trying to eat, but my son is insisting on feeding him with his baby spoon. stuff like this doesn't happen by accident. from the time I got him as an 8 week old pup, all of my kids have had their hands in his food while he eats. its part of his training so that he is not food aggressive. anybody that is in my house can walk up to this dog and take anything that's in his mouth (assuming he hasn't already dropped it when you tell him to). every single day he gets training, exercise and affection. I wonder how many of these dogs who attack other people or dogs receive these things.

he is such a great dog, my second rott, after having 2 German Shephards and a Doberman in the past, not a single problem with any of them even growling at another friendly person or dog.

My link

Good thinking. Putting your child in a cage with a Rottweiler right next to its food dish is the right call.

this has to be schtick, right? or are you really that clueless when it comes to dogs?

Is it really worth the risk? Huh? In the end is it really worth it? Apparently so.

is what really worth the risk?I'll indulge you for a minute here. this dog has had kids and people's hands in and around his food and toys his entire life. he knows no different. he has been trained to think that this is how it works. if we want his food or his bowl, we get it and he lets us have it. no growling, no showing teeth, no barking, nothing. if one of us wants it, its ours. this is how it works. he is low man on the totem pole and he has been trained so that he knows this.

if you think this pic is bad, you should see some of the vids I have of this kid crawling all over the dog while he is knawing on a bone. baby takes the bone out of his mouth, puts it back in, takes it back out, all while sitting on top of the dog. kids face is trying to get a kiss from the dog while doing this. all he does is sit there and wait for the bone while licking the kid. he's been conditioned that its not the end of the world to have something taken from his mouth or his food taken and handfed to him.

avoiding the possible problem and keeping everyone away from the dog while he eats leads to the exact problems you think you are avoiding. there will come a time when a neighbor kid or some visiting relative will walk by him when he has a bone and then he won't know how to react. a growl or bite will be the consequence. if he has trained that its ok for someone to be near him while he eats, it becomes no big deal for the dog. you think you're doing the right thing by separating the dog while he does certain things when you are actually contributing to a possible problem in the future. then it'll be the dog's fault that he doesn't know how to react.

 

[jomar]

I have have had people tell me that they are confident that their dog would never harm their child.

Sorry but you are a fool if you trust a dog 100% with your children's safety at stake.

dogs should never be left alone with kids. not inside, not outside.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Sure you did. If you click on the link in your article it takes you to the source article. For whatever reason you chose not to do that and post an article which "supported" your position.

ZOMG CONSPIRASEES! Why would i need to cut/paste a second article that said the same thing? I am simply doing a google news search, and posting links. I didn't notice the other articles until you said something. Feel free to poke holes in any of the stories I'm posting but if you think I'm going to go inspector Clousseau all on up every story I link you've lost your mind.

Good work, Jim11.

 

[3C's]

Sure you did. If you click on the link in your article it takes you to the source article. For whatever reason you chose not to do that and post an article which "supported" your position.

ZOMG CONSPIRASEES! Why would i need to cut/paste a second article that said the same thing? I am simply doing a google news search, and posting links. I didn't notice the other articles until you said something. Feel free to poke holes in any of the stories I'm posting but if you think I'm going to go inspector Clousseau all on up every story I link you've lost your mind.

Good work, Jim11.

Oh lord, er Tebow, first compared to hucks and now jim11. A sign that someone needs to take a step away from the google for a bit.

 

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Sure you did. If you click on the link in your article it takes you to the source article. For whatever reason you chose not to do that and post an article which "supported" your position.

ZOMG CONSPIRASEES! Why would i need to cut/paste a second article that said the same thing? I am simply doing a google news search, and posting links. I didn't notice the other articles until you said something. Feel free to poke holes in any of the stories I'm posting but if you think I'm going to go inspector Clousseau all on up every story I link you've lost your mind.

Good work, Jim11.

Thanks Cliff.

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

for lack of a better place to show this, here's a pic of my Rottweiler with almost 2 year old boy. the dog is trying to eat, but my son is insisting on feeding him with his baby spoon. stuff like this doesn't happen by accident. from the time I got him as an 8 week old pup, all of my kids have had their hands in his food while he eats. its part of his training so that he is not food aggressive. anybody that is in my house can walk up to this dog and take anything that's in his mouth (assuming he hasn't already dropped it when you tell him to). every single day he gets training, exercise and affection. I wonder how many of these dogs who attack other people or dogs receive these things.

he is such a great dog, my second rott, after having 2 German Shephards and a Doberman in the past, not a single problem with any of them even growling at another friendly person or dog.

My link

Good thinking. Putting your child in a cage with a Rottweiler right next to its food dish is the right call.

this has to be schtick, right? or are you really that clueless when it comes to dogs?

Is it really worth the risk? Huh? In the end is it really worth it? Apparently so.

is what really worth the risk?I'll indulge you for a minute here. this dog has had kids and people's hands in and around his food and toys his entire life. he knows no different. he has been trained to think that this is how it works. if we want his food or his bowl, we get it and he lets us have it. no growling, no showing teeth, no barking, nothing. if one of us wants it, its ours. this is how it works. he is low man on the totem pole and he has been trained so that he knows this.

if you think this pic is bad, you should see some of the vids I have of this kid crawling all over the dog while he is knawing on a bone. baby takes the bone out of his mouth, puts it back in, takes it back out, all while sitting on top of the dog. kids face is trying to get a kiss from the dog while doing this. all he does is sit there and wait for the bone while licking the kid. he's been conditioned that its not the end of the world to have something taken from his mouth or his food taken and handfed to him.

avoiding the possible problem and keeping everyone away from the dog while he eats leads to the exact problems you think you are avoiding. there will come a time when a neighbor kid or some visiting relative will walk by him when he has a bone and then he won't know how to react. a growl or bite will be the consequence. if he has trained that its ok for someone to be near him while he eats, it becomes no big deal for the dog. you think you're doing the right thing by separating the dog while he does certain things when you are actually contributing to a possible problem in the future. then it'll be the dog's fault that he doesn't know how to react.

This is some pretty backwards stuff right here.

 

[3C's]

Sure you did. If you click on the link in your article it takes you to the source article. For whatever reason you chose not to do that and post an article which "supported" your position.

ZOMG CONSPIRASEES!

Why would i need to cut/paste a second article that said the same thing? I am simply doing a google news search, and posting links. I didn't notice the other articles until you said something. Feel free to poke holes in any of the stories I'm posting but if you think I'm going to go inspector Clousseau all on up every story I link you've lost your mind.

Why would you need to cut/paste a second article when you could/should have gone to the original...which was linked in the one you posted? It seemed obvious to anyone with firing brain cells from reading your story that something was missing. A simple click and voila, everything there in black and white.

 

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http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/rescued-pit-bull-kills-owner-joseph-d-hines

Rescued Pit Bull Kills Owner Joseph D. Hines

Submitted by Denise A Justin on Dec 13, 2011

Joseph D. Hines, 58, of Burnettsville, Indiana, was killed last week by “Honey,” the male pit bull he rescued four to five years ago. Neighbors say the man and the dog were often seen out walking together. But on December 3, Honey severed Hines' right jugular vein, as well as inflicting bite wounds on his ankle and forearms.

Hines’ sister, Shirley Silkey, of Sand Springs, Oklahoma, said she had not heard that Honey was aggressive or had behavioral problems. "He loved his dogs, she said. “He found this dog and took care of it. I guess the dog just lost it. He wasn't a puppy and wasn't real old. He was still filling out."

Hines’ body was not found for two days and the results of the autopsy were just released. “This is the first fatal dog attack I've seen," said the White County Coroner Matt Westerhouse.

Joseph Hines was described as a down-to-earth guy with a great sense of humor. “I'll always remember his laughter. He was so upbeat and happy. He never got down in the dumps," Shirley Silkey told Bob Scott of jconline.com. She said her younger brother had worked at Walmart in Monticello but was unemployed at the time of his death.

Hines had never married and had no children. (WHEW) He lived on N. County Road in rural Burnettsville in a home owned by his cousin. (Burnettsville is about 70 miles north of Indianapolis.)

The pit bull, Honey, was ordered to be put down.

Poor Honey.

 

[jomar]

This is some pretty backwards stuff right here.

might want to do some reading on how to train a dog. you'd rather have a dog who's never had a human hand reach into his food bowl or one who's had hands in his bowl as long as he can remember?

 

[Chaka]

You're still dodging Chaka's pitbull attack % question.....

I think the ratio of pits that attack (vs other dogs) is a much more relevant question. Compare the ratio of pits vs attacks to other dogs vs attacks (#breed / attacks). You guys have that google thing installed on your computer too, right? And a calculator app? Right on.

Actually we don't know how many pit bulls there are out there and the figures are very likely underestimated as they generally only account for registered animals. I think that we can all agree that a dog owner who registers their dog is far more likely to be a responsible pet owner so I think the relevant question % of registered pit bulls are involved in these attacks. Then the question becomes what can we do to stop the underground breeding of pit bulls and shut down puppy mills.Killing all the pit bulls is one option.

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

This is some pretty backwards stuff right here.

might want to do some reading on how to train a dog. you'd rather have a dog who's never had a human hand reach into his food bowl or one who's had hands in his bowl as long as he can remember?

I fully understand how dogs need to be trained when it comes to their food/treats/toys. They must become accustomed to having them taken away. But that's not what we're talking about here. Regardless of how well the dog is trained you're asking a whole hell of a lot from your dog. And you're actually teaching your kid to not respect that your dog can, despite its training, snap or become possessive. Feel free to raise your dog/kid however you want but I wouldn't put my child in a cage with a dog and its food. Let's just hope that the faith you have in your dog and your training is justified.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

You're still dodging Chaka's pitbull attack % question.....

I think the ratio of pits that attack (vs other dogs) is a much more relevant question. Compare the ratio of pits vs attacks to other dogs vs attacks (#breed / attacks). You guys have that google thing installed on your computer too, right? And a calculator app? Right on.

Actually we don't know how many pit bulls there are out there and the figures are very likely underestimated as they generally only account for registered animals. I think that we can all agree that a dog owner who registers their dog is far more likely to be a responsible pet owner so I think the relevant question % of registered pit bulls are involved in these attacks. Then the question becomes what can we do to stop the underground breeding of pit bulls and shut down puppy mills.Killing all the pit bulls is one option.

Then he'll want all Rotties killed because then they'll be the dog with the most incidents.

 

[eoMMan]

I hope you realize that if you eliminate pitbulls, it'll just be another breed (rottie, mastifff, etc.) that you start to see in DMX videos and in Michael Vick dogfight rings. It won't be along until people will want to eliminate that breed then.

 

[Chaka]

You're still dodging Chaka's pitbull attack % question.....

I think the ratio of pits that attack (vs other dogs) is a much more relevant question. Compare the ratio of pits vs attacks to other dogs vs attacks (#breed / attacks). You guys have that google thing installed on your computer too, right? And a calculator app? Right on.

Actually we don't know how many pit bulls there are out there and the figures are very likely underestimated as they generally only account for registered animals. I think that we can all agree that a dog owner who registers their dog is far more likely to be a responsible pet owner so I think the relevant question % of registered pit bulls are involved in these attacks. Then the question becomes what can we do to stop the underground breeding of pit bulls and shut down puppy mills.Killing all the pit bulls is one option.

Then he'll want all Rotties killed because then they'll be the dog with the most incidents.

I still contend that Rottweilers are responsible for just as many deaths, but there are three or four separate breeds that people refer to as Pit Bulls and it also depends on the specific period over which one views the statistics.Either way we all know that if you get rid of one there will simply be another breed to vilify. In the 70s and 80s it was Dobermans and German shephards, now it's Pit Bull breeds. In a decade or two it will be some other breed.So if there is a problem out there, and clearly many think there is, I would like to hear what the people who are calling out the pit bulls would like to see done about it.

 

[Chaka]

I hope you realize that if you eliminate pitbulls, it'll just be another breed (rottie, mastifff, etc.) that you start to see in DMX videos and in Michael Vick dogfight rings. It won't be along until people will want to eliminate that breed then.

I am sure the anti-pit bull crowd is aware of this argument. I want to hear their solutions to the problem.

 

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Killing all the pit bulls is one option.

I wouldn't advocate killing an entire breed. PHASE 1: Make breeding, transfer, or sale of Pit Bulls illegal. Punishable by very stiff fines and jail time.

PHASE 2: Greatly increase fines/criminal offenses associated with all "high risk breed" attacks on people. If your dog attacks someone, you are charged with assault. If your dog kills someone, you're charged with manslaughter.

PHASE 3: All Pit Bull or majority Pit Bull Mix Breeds (identifiable by swab test) must be registered.

PHASE 4: Starting a set time (say 3 years from now) Possession of a unregistered Pit (or pit under the age of 3) is punishable by stiff fines and jail time.



Voila... you guys get to keep your puppies... just gotta get something else next time around. Country is Pitt-Free (for all intents and purposes) within a decade or so.

In response to Chaka's request about dog attacks... if a breed surfaces and has comparable levels of violence aginast people and other animals as to what we see with Pits, then we go through the above process with them.

Basically establish a baseline:

WARNING STAGE: Breed reaches certain levels of attacks = Categorized as HIgh Risk = Owners face stiffer penalties in the event the animal attacks others.

WEED-OUT STAGE: Breed reaches higher levels of attacks = Phase out the breed through the guidelines above.

seems pretty fair. IF a breed shows itself to be abnormally prone to violent acts in relation to other breeds, then ownership is discouraged and/or forbidden.

 

[Chaka]

Killing all the pit bulls is one option.

I wouldn't advocate killing an entire breed. PHASE 1: Make breeding, transfer, or sale of Pit Bulls illegal. Punishable by very stiff fines and jail time.

PHASE 2: Greatly increase fines/criminal offenses associated with all "high risk breed" attacks on people. If your dog attacks someone, you are charged with assault. If your dog kills someone, you're charged with manslaughter.

PHASE 3: All Pit Bull or majority Pit Bull Mix Breeds (identifiable by swab test) must be registered.

PHASE 4: Starting a set time (say 3 years from now) Possession of a unregistered Pit (or pit under the age of 3) is punishable by stiff fines and jail time.



Voila... you guys get to keep your puppies... just gotta get something else next time around. Country is Pitt-Free (for all intents and purposes) within a decade or so.

And after that we move on to the Rottweilers, correct?Not being a smart ### just wondering what the end game is.

 

[AmosMoses]

for lack of a better place to show this, here's a pic of my Rottweiler with almost 2 year old boy. the dog is trying to eat, but my son is insisting on feeding him with his baby spoon. stuff like this doesn't happen by accident. from the time I got him as an 8 week old pup, all of my kids have had their hands in his food while he eats. its part of his training so that he is not food aggressive. anybody that is in my house can walk up to this dog and take anything that's in his mouth (assuming he hasn't already dropped it when you tell him to). every single day he gets training, exercise and affection. I wonder how many of these dogs who attack other people or dogs receive these things.

he is such a great dog, my second rott, after having 2 German Shephards and a Doberman in the past, not a single problem with any of them even growling at another friendly person or dog.

My link

The only conclusion I can come up with regarding this picture is that you aren't qualified to talk about the proper training of dogs in any way.

 

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And after that we move on to the Rottweilers, correct?Not being a smart ### just wondering what the end game is.

Scroll up. edited my other post

 

[AmosMoses]

Killing all the pit bulls is one option.

I wouldn't advocate killing an entire breed. PHASE 1: Make breeding, transfer, or sale of Pit Bulls illegal. Punishable by very stiff fines and jail time.

PHASE 2: Greatly increase fines/criminal offenses associated with all "high risk breed" attacks on people. If your dog attacks someone, you are charged with assault. If your dog kills someone, you're charged with manslaughter.

PHASE 3: All Pit Bull or majority Pit Bull Mix Breeds (identifiable by swab test) must be registered.

PHASE 4: Starting a set time (say 3 years from now) Possession of a unregistered Pit (or pit under the age of 3) is punishable by stiff fines and jail time.



Voila... you guys get to keep your puppies... just gotta get something else next time around. Country is Pitt-Free (for all intents and purposes) within a decade or so.

And after that we move on to the Rottweilers, correct?Not being a smart ### just wondering what the end game is.

I know you want to go to the moon President Kennedy, but then what? - Chaka

 

[jomar]

This is some pretty backwards stuff right here.

might want to do some reading on how to train a dog. you'd rather have a dog who's never had a human hand reach into his food bowl or one who's had hands in his bowl as long as he can remember?

I fully understand how dogs need to be trained when it comes to their food/treats/toys. They must become accustomed to having them taken away. But that's not what we're talking about here. Regardless of how well the dog is trained you're asking a whole hell of a lot from your dog. And you're actually teaching your kid to not respect that your dog can, despite its training, snap or become possessive. Feel free to raise your dog/kid however you want but I wouldn't put my child in a cage with a dog and its food. Let's just hope that the faith you have in your dog and your training is justified.

if a dog snaps or becomes possessive, then he wasn't trained properly and wasn't accustomed to it, now was he? I don't think I'm asking a lot for him to not be possessive about his food. as far as he is concerned, its my food, not his, and I gave it to him to eat. I can take food out of his bowl or take his bowl altogether with no problems. this is because he has been trained by people repeatedly taking his food or bowl since he was a puppy. its second nature to him. he's been conditioned that this is normal behavior for humans to take his food if they want. he is low member in the pack and thats just the way it is. a well trained dog will like it this way.and I didn't put the kid in the 'cage'. he crawled in there and started trying to feed the dog. the wife was a couple feet away and got a picture. personally, I don't like anybody in the dog's crate as that is 'his' area but I wasn't home and it happened so what can you do. the most danger this kid was in was being licked to death.

 

[jomar]

for lack of a better place to show this, here's a pic of my Rottweiler with almost 2 year old boy. the dog is trying to eat, but my son is insisting on feeding him with his baby spoon. stuff like this doesn't happen by accident. from the time I got him as an 8 week old pup, all of my kids have had their hands in his food while he eats. its part of his training so that he is not food aggressive. anybody that is in my house can walk up to this dog and take anything that's in his mouth (assuming he hasn't already dropped it when you tell him to). every single day he gets training, exercise and affection. I wonder how many of these dogs who attack other people or dogs receive these things.

he is such a great dog, my second rott, after having 2 German Shephards and a Doberman in the past, not a single problem with any of them even growling at another friendly person or dog.

My link

The only conclusion I can come up with regarding this picture is that you aren't qualified to talk about the proper training of dogs in any way.

the only conclusion I can come up with regarding your post is that you like to jump to conclusions.

 

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if a dog snaps or becomes possessive, then he wasn't trained properly and wasn't accustomed to it, now was he? I don't think I'm asking a lot for him to not be possessive about his food. as far as he is concerned, its my food, not his, and I gave it to him to eat. I can take food out of his bowl or take his bowl altogether with no problems. this is because he has been trained by people repeatedly taking his food or bowl since he was a puppy. its second nature to him. he's been conditioned that this is normal behavior for humans to take his food if they want. he is low member in the pack and thats just the way it is. a well trained dog will like it this way.and I didn't put the kid in the 'cage'. he crawled in there and started trying to feed the dog. the wife was a couple feet away and got a picture. personally, I don't like anybody in the dog's crate as that is 'his' area but I wasn't home and it happened so what can you do. the most danger this kid was in was being licked to death.

I think you serious overestimate the level of which you control your dog's innate instincts. Caged tigers are raised from cub stage in captivity all the time. Many of them are cuddly as a kitten. Occasionally something arbitrary sets them off and they attack. NOt equating a Rot with a Tiger... but to a lesser degree that same instinct is still present. It is an animal. I firmly believe (and the numbers show) that that "killer instinct" is more prevalent in certain breeds (as is a greater capability to do real damage) As much as you think "He understands me and knows that is my food...etc"... and it might be 99% of the time, there is always that 1%. I'd wager there have been many instances just like yours where the owner would have never suspected the dog would attack..until it did.That said, I do love dogs...and it is adorable seeing a kid playing with one like that. My buddy's boxer (that I helped raise from pup to 3yo) is the same with kids. They have two children and the kids hang on the dog, pull his ears, his jowls... etc. The dog is patient as a saint with them and has never done a thing to hurt them. However I would personally not make the choice to leave my infant in that sort of situation. IT's a choice all dog owners can make. Just be prepared to accept the consequences if you're incorrect.

 

[urbanhack]

Killing all the pit bulls is one option.

I wouldn't advocate killing an entire breed. PHASE 1: Make breeding, transfer, or sale of Pit Bulls illegal. Punishable by very stiff fines and jail time.

PHASE 2: Greatly increase fines/criminal offenses associated with all "high risk breed" attacks on people. If your dog attacks someone, you are charged with assault. If your dog kills someone, you're charged with manslaughter.

PHASE 4: Starting a set time (say 3 years from now) Possession of a unregistered Pit (or pit under the age of 3) is punishable by stiff fines and jail time.

 

[Chaka]

And after that we move on to the Rottweilers, correct?Not being a smart ### just wondering what the end game is.

Scroll up. edited my other post

It would save us a lot of effort if we just kill all dogs.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Killing all the pit bulls is one option.

I wouldn't advocate killing an entire breed. PHASE 1: Make breeding, transfer, or sale of Pit Bulls illegal. Punishable by very stiff fines and jail time.

PHASE 2: Greatly increase fines/criminal offenses associated with all "high risk breed" attacks on people. If your dog attacks someone, you are charged with assault. If your dog kills someone, you're charged with manslaughter.

PHASE 4: Starting a set time (say 3 years from now) Possession of a unregistered Pit (or pit under the age of 3) is punishable by stiff fines and jail time.

 

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Or we can just kill all pitbulls.

 

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Killing all the pit bulls is one option.

I wouldn't advocate killing an entire breed. PHASE 1: Make breeding, transfer, or sale of Pit Bulls illegal. Punishable by very stiff fines and jail time.

PHASE 2: Greatly increase fines/criminal offenses associated with all "high risk breed" attacks on people. If your dog attacks someone, you are charged with assault. If your dog kills someone, you're charged with manslaughter.

PHASE 4: Starting a set time (say 3 years from now) Possession of a unregistered Pit (or pit under the age of 3) is punishable by stiff fines and jail time.

Care to clarify? Phase 1 worked great for Great Britain.

You have a problem with the penalties for high risk breeds attacking/killing people? (Phase 2)

Or the unregistered pit penalties? (Phase 4)

The latter is pretty much unenforceable wholesale... just will be a "Check for papers" at incidents by cops.

 

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And after that we move on to the Rottweilers, correct?Not being a smart ### just wondering what the end game is.

Scroll up. edited my other post

It would save us a lot of effort if we just kill all dogs.

Disagree. Dogs are great when they're not a defective breed and raised properly.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

And after that we move on to the Rottweilers, correct?Not being a smart ### just wondering what the end game is.

Scroll up. edited my other post

It would save us a lot of effort if we just kill all dogs.

Disagree. Dogs are great when they're not a defective breed and raised properly.

 

[Chaka]

I am sure you recognize what would happen if you enacted your plan [icon]. You are advocating killing pretty much all dogs, you would just like to do it slowly so people won't notice.

You could enact your plan without making the breed illegal and, if it were truly enforced, it would also fix the problem. The problem is we will never have the resources, or the will, to tackle the problem in that way.

I wish I knew how to incentivize people to be more responsible pet owners but unfortunately most people are idiots and they really have no idea what it means to own a pet. I love the quizzical look dog owners get when they give their dog a command like "come" or "sit" and the dog completely ignores them. It's like they think dogs were born with an innate ability to understand English and the dog is intentionally ignoring them.

Owner: Come!

Dog:

Owner: COME!

Dog:

Owner: God ###### Rufus I said COME!!!

Dog:

Owner: #### it. Stupid dog

Dog: :licksballs:

 

[urbanhack]

And after that we move on to the Rottweilers, correct?

Not being a smart ### just wondering what the end game is.

Scroll up. edited my other post

It would save us a lot of effort if we just kill all dogs.

Disagree. Dogs are great when they're not a defective breed and raised properly.

HGH

 

[Chaka]

Or we can just kill all pitbulls.

Even if you choose to ignore it, you know the end result of that. Next breed up

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[hook014]

I've had this disagreement with some guys at work several times. The risk / reward ratio is just skewed on this I cant imagine owning a pit bull. Inviting tragedy into your home is beyond irresponsible.

2 guys were vehement in their defense of pits, then both had kids born. Guess what? No pits for them. I guess it got real for them then.

The difference between Icon and some of you guys is that he will never tell some grieving parent he thought "the risk was worth it".

 

[urbanhack]

The risk / reward ratio is just skewed on this I cant imagine owning a pit bull. Inviting tragedy into your home is beyond irresponsible.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I've had this disagreement with some guys at work several times. The risk / reward ratio is just skewed on this I cant imagine owning a pit bull. Inviting tragedy into your home is beyond irresponsible.2 guys were vehement in their defense of pits, then both had kids born. Guess what? No pits for them. I guess it got real for them then.The difference between Icon and some of you guys is that he will never tell some grieving parent he thought "the risk was worth it".

What does this have to do with Pitbulls? Any medium+ sized dog has the potential to kill someone. Should we ban any dog over 12"? Chihuahua's for everyone!

 

[[icon]]

I've had this disagreement with some guys at work several times. The risk / reward ratio is just skewed on this I cant imagine owning a pit bull. Inviting tragedy into your home is beyond irresponsible.

2 guys were vehement in their defense of pits, then both had kids born. Guess what? No pits for them. I guess it got real for them then.

The difference between Icon and some of you guys is that he will never tell some grieving parent he thought "the risk was worth it".

What does this have to do with Pitbulls? Any medium+ sized dog has the potential to kill someone. Should we ban any dog over 12"? Chihuahua's for everyone!

I applaud your reading comprehension. That's PRECISELY what we've been getting at for this whole thread. A+

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I've had this disagreement with some guys at work several times. The risk / reward ratio is just skewed on this I cant imagine owning a pit bull. Inviting tragedy into your home is beyond irresponsible.

2 guys were vehement in their defense of pits, then both had kids born. Guess what? No pits for them. I guess it got real for them then.

The difference between Icon and some of you guys is that he will never tell some grieving parent he thought "the risk was worth it".

What does this have to do with Pitbulls? Any medium+ sized dog has the potential to kill someone. Should we ban any dog over 12"? Chihuahua's for everyone!

I applaud your reading comprehension. That's PRECISELY what we've been getting at for this whole thread. A+

You're not very bright, are you.

 

[[icon]]

You're not very bright, are you.

I do just fine but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

You're not very bright, are you.

I do just fine but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

You realize having the potential to kill someone means nothing right? My monitor has the potential to kill someone but if used properly it won't. My mouse cord has the potential to strangle someone, but if used properly, it won't. Every person in the world has the potential to kill someone, but if raised properly, they won't.

 

[hook014]

Hey, I know I won't change your minds about it and I don't care. There will always be people who gamble with other people's well being. Just wanted to ring in that Icon's view is shared by many.

 

[[icon]]

You're not very bright, are you.

I do just fine but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

You realize having the potential to kill someone means nothing right? My monitor has the potential to kill someone but if used properly it won't. My mouse cord has the potential to strangle someone, but if used properly, it won't.

That is an ignorant comparison and you know it. But your monitor doesn't have the potential to, of it's own volition, move and attack/kill someone even if used properly.I won't address the comparison between people again... if you feel that dogs/people are one and the same and share the same basic rights then I can't help you.

 

[Tecumseh]

I have have had people tell me that they are confident that their dog would never harm their child.

Sorry but you are a fool if you trust a dog 100% with your children's safety at stake.

dogs should never be left alone with kids. not inside, not outside.

Why not?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

You're not very bright, are you.

I do just fine but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

You realize having the potential to kill someone means nothing right? My monitor has the potential to kill someone but if used properly it won't. My mouse cord has the potential to strangle someone, but if used properly, it won't.

But your monitor doesn't have the potential to, of it's own volition, move and attack/kill someone even if used properly.

Doesn't matter. If it is in the hands of the wrong person it is a potential deadly weapon.

 

[glock]

This is some pretty backwards stuff right here.

might want to do some reading on how to train a dog. you'd rather have a dog who's never had a human hand reach into his food bowl or one who's had hands in his bowl as long as he can remember?

I fully understand how dogs need to be trained when it comes to their food/treats/toys. They must become accustomed to having them taken away. But that's not what we're talking about here. Regardless of how well the dog is trained you're asking a whole hell of a lot from your dog. And you're actually teaching your kid to not respect that your dog can, despite its training, snap or become possessive. Feel free to raise your dog/kid however you want but I wouldn't put my child in a cage with a dog and its food. Let's just hope that the faith you have in your dog and your training is justified.

if a dog snaps or becomes possessive, then he wasn't trained properly and wasn't accustomed to it, now was he? I don't think I'm asking a lot for him to not be possessive about his food. as far as he is concerned, its my food, not his, and I gave it to him to eat. I can take food out of his bowl or take his bowl altogether with no problems. this is because he has been trained by people repeatedly taking his food or bowl since he was a puppy. its second nature to him. he's been conditioned that this is normal behavior for humans to take his food if they want. he is low member in the pack and thats just the way it is. a well trained dog will like it this way.

and I didn't put the kid in the 'cage'. he crawled in there and started trying to feed the dog. the wife was a couple feet away and got a picture. personally, I don't like anybody in the dog's crate as that is 'his' area but I wasn't home and it happened so what can you do. the most danger this kid was in was being licked to death.

As much as I am impressed by what appears to be your vigilance with regards to raising/training your dog well, the bolded is all it takes for perhaps less prepared individuals than yourself to be left to command what could become a bad situation.

 

[[icon]]

You're not very bright, are you.

I do just fine but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

You realize having the potential to kill someone means nothing right? My monitor has the potential to kill someone but if used properly it won't. My mouse cord has the potential to strangle someone, but if used properly, it won't.

But your monitor doesn't have the potential to, of it's own volition, move and attack/kill someone even if used properly.

Doesn't matter. If it is in the hands of the wrong person it is a potential deadly weapon.

Really? Cmon... you're smarter than this. I'm out... this has to be a fishing attempt.