Yet another Pitt Bull attack (1 Viewer)

[ChainsawU]

You have to put it into perspective and realize that with 320 million people and about 77 million dogs, these types of attacks probably happen hundreds of times a day. But you don't hear about golden retrievers in the news. You don't hear about pomeranians in the news. Nobody gives a crap about them, yet they are just as potentially dangerous. But "pit bulls" sell newspapers. Dobermans and Rottweilers sell newspapers.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Grabbing onto a bulls nose and holding on even after pepper has been shoved in the bull's nose. 

Or going to get the duck.

Hmmmm.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

You don't hear about pomeranians in the news. Nobody gives a crap about them, yet they are just as potentially dangerous.

You don't seriously think Pomeranians are as dangerous as Pits.  Come on man.

 

[bigbottom]

You have to put it into perspective and realize that with 320 million people and about 77 million dogs, these types of attacks probably happen hundreds of times a day. But you don't hear about golden retrievers in the news. You don't hear about pomeranians in the news. Nobody gives a crap about them, yet they are just as potentially dangerous. But "pit bulls" sell newspapers. Dobermans and Rottweilers sell newspapers.

Are you kidding?  A Pomeranian mauling a neighborhood seven-year-old to death would be a ridiculously sensational story that sells newspapers. 

 

[BigSteelThrill]

 The point I am arguing is that all dogs have the same potential to kill people,

bullcrap.

 

[Otis]

We get it.  There simply is no definitive study from an source beyond question.  That said, there are studies, and they comport with common sense, and even if they are flawed the flaws are not so massive as to negate their essential import.  Pits, among or along with a few other breeds are unusually capable and deadly animals.  They are true to their breed.  Their capabilities attract some of the wrong owners and wrong attention, but they are several magnitudes more dangerous than a peekapoo.  Those arguing the obvious flaws in the studies are doing so for their own obvious biases.  You are not educating us on the flaws, the flaws are well known.  So too the propensities and capabilities of these animals. The only education you are providing is insight into yourselves.

Jesus thank you.

The pro-pit bull position in a debate may be -- among all positions, in all debates, across all subject matter -- the worst position of all time, ever.  

Trump supporters are on more solid ground.

 

[Otis]

Yeah, brah, but this dog is way more bad @zzzzz than other dogs.  Totally worth it, yo.

 

[DallasDMac]

You have to put it into perspective and realize that with 320 million people and about 77 million dogs, these types of attacks probably happen hundreds of times a day. But you don't hear about golden retrievers in the news. You don't hear about pomeranians in the news. Nobody gives a crap about them, yet they are just as potentially dangerous. But "pit bulls" sell newspapers. Dobermans and Rottweilers sell newspapers.

Okay, I honestly believe we're just being trolled now. Good job, you got me a couple times.

 

[eoMMan]

Jesus thank you.

The pro-pit bull position in a debate may be -- among all positions, in all debates, across all subject matter -- the worst position of all time, ever.  

Trump supporters are on more solid ground.

Oats McGoats...honest question....

Let's say you took away all pit bulls and replaced them with Rottweilers or Cane Corso Mastiffs....do you honestly think we'll be better off? By how much? 

 

[Wildcat]

Pitbull bites 5 year old girl in face

 

[Exit 1]

I know of other people that wanted to remove certain types from our population....they were called Nazis.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I know of other people that wanted to remove certain types from our population....they were called Nazis.

Derp.

And a hell of a lot more people then Nazis have wanted to do that.

 

[Wildcat]

I know of other people that wanted to remove certain types from our population....they were called Nazis.

A typical example of pro-pit people.  Comparing their situation to Nazi Germany 

 

[ChainsawU]

The only education you are providing is insight into yourselves.

What do you mean?

 

[eoMMan]

A typical example of pro-pit people.  Comparing their situation to Nazi Germany 

I think you need to take a break from the internetz for a little bit. I'm pretty sure Exit 1 was joking there.

 

[ChainsawU]

I don't normally participate in conversations here. But I chose this one because it is important to me. I have brought a lot of data that backs up my position on multiple levels, I was never rude about it, but that's not at all what I received in return.

 

[ChainsawU]

The risk of dying from a dog bite injury in the United States in any given year is approximately one in ten million. Why are people so worked up about this?

 

[Wildcat]

I think you need to take a break from the internetz for a little bit. I'm pretty sure Exit 1 was joking there.

“Pretty sure”.  Either way, dumb joke.  I will continue to post in here. Sorry. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

Yeah, brah, but this dog is way more bad @zzzzz than other dogs.  Totally worth it, yo.

Not my pit. My pit is so gentle my two year old can climb all over him. My cat bullies him. I dont need to put him on a leash when i go out for a walk with him. He is my nanny dog. I am so lucky to have Hades in my life. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I know of other people that wanted to remove certain types from our population....they were called Nazis.

I know of a few folks that wanted to remove certain things from the population, they were called epidemiologists like Salk and Pasteur.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I don't normally participate in conversations here. But I chose this one because it is important to me. I have brought a lot of data that backs up my position on multiple levels, I was never rude about it, but that's not at all what I received in return.

People are rude to you because you make up data. I mean you literally fabricate completely made up statements out of thin air. Statements that a child might make before they have gone to elementary school or seen a yorkie and a pit bull.   

Why would you expect to be treated like an adult when you are behaving that way? It is ridiculous. All you are doing is fueling the negative stereotype of pit bull owners with their heads in the sand.  

 

[parasaurolophus]

Arguments like this are so dumb...

On any given day, probably 10 people get bit by a dog,” Gorant says. “But it’s only news when it’s a pit bull.”

You literally have to have a warped and insanely biased mind to even say something like this. These people act like the news reports that are out all the time say  "Pit bull bites 4 year old, but child is unharmed" or "Pit bull bites neighbor, only minor puncture wounds occurred" or that reporters ignore stories where kids were killed by australian shepherds.  

Or how about the owners that make a big deal about pits not having a physiological  "locking jaw"? Who cares? Seriously why does the physiology matter? These animals were bred to hold onto a bull's snout for dear life. Whatever is at play, they are freaking great at holding a bite.

Or how about these arguments...

The popular notion is that pit bulls can be fine their entire lives and suddenly snap and turn on their owner. Reid says that’s no more likely to happen with pit bulls than it is with any other breed.

Again, who cares???? The point isn't that they are more likely to attack, it is the fact that when they attack they are more likely to inflict some serious damage. To even bring that up is nothing but deflection and ignores their breeding. I mean can you imagine if in addition to being as insane as they are when they do attack if they were also more likely to attack? I cant even fathom the kill numbers we would see. 

How about this one?
 

Myths About Pit Bulls

They can tolerate huge amounts of pain. “Pit bulls are incredibly wimpy in many respects - they don’t like to go in the cold and rain,” Reid says. But when aroused or agitated, they may be less responsive to pain.

WTF??? I mean somebody actually came up with this crap? Nut uh! They can't tolerate more pain, it is just less likely to affect them! 

 

[eoMMan]

Arguments like this are so dumb...

You literally have to have a warped and insanely biased mind to even say something like this. These people act like the news reports that are out all the time say  "Pit bull bites 4 year old, but child is unharmed" or "Pit bull bites neighbor, only minor puncture wounds occurred" or that reporters ignore stories where kids were killed by australian shepherds.  

Or how about the owners that make a big deal about pits not having a physiological  "locking jaw"? Who cares? Seriously why does the physiology matter? These animals were bred to hold onto a bull's snout for dear life. Whatever is at play, they are freaking great at holding a bite.

Or how about these arguments...

Again, who cares???? The point isn't that they are more likely to attack, it is the fact that when they attack they are more likely to inflict some serious damage. To even bring that up is nothing but deflection and ignores their breeding. I mean can you imagine if in addition to being as insane as they are when they do attack if they were also more likely to attack? I cant even fathom the kill numbers we would see. 

How about this one?
 

WTF??? I mean somebody actually came up with this crap? Nut uh! They can't tolerate more pain, it is just less likely to affect them! 

Were you bit by a pit bull or something? Why so upset about this topic?

 

[ChainsawU]

People are rude to you because you make up data. I mean you literally fabricate completely made up statements out of thin air. Statements that a child might make before they have gone to elementary school or seen a yorkie and a pit bull. Why would you expect to be treated like an adult when you are behaving that way? It is ridiculous. All you are doing is fueling the negative stereotype of pit bull owners with their heads in the sand.

I'm sorry, but I have done a lot of reading, writing, proofreading, and rewriting in an effort to cite every piece of evidence I presented in this thread. I've put forth a sincere effort to treat whomever is reading this how I myself would want to be treated.

 

[ChainsawU]

Arguments like this are so dumb .... Or how about these arguments .... How about this one? .... WTF???

I don't understand. Where are those quotes from? Who said those things? Who is Reid? I sincerely am not trying to antagonize or bombard you, but I searched the entire thread and could not find anything pertaining to anyone named Reid.

 

[ChainsawU]

Not my pit. My pit is so gentle my two year old can climb all over him. My cat bullies him. I dont need to put him on a leash when i go out for a walk with him. He is my nanny dog. I am so lucky to have Hades in my life. 

No one is saying this. Even the one study cited in here yesterday by the dogsbite.org (the side that you're advocating) has recommendations on how to prevent dog bite injuries; pretty much the opposite of all these things you are saying here.

 

[modogg]

It is sad, agreed.  But again, why do owners such as this choose pits?  What makes an abused pit bull more dangerous than other abused breeds?  If you answer honestly, we probably will have some common ground.   

I am not sure around the country, but for those of us who choose not to spend 1000s on their pet, or get a dog from a puppy mill, the options can be limited. I live in a large urban city where they have 2-3 main shelters (I think). the dogs there are (and again there isn't really a specific pitbull breed) probably 90-95% pitbull mixes. so choosing a dog from a rescue shelter you are more then likely going to get a pitbull mix. My pitbull is the 1st dog I got, and I didn't go out specifically looking for a pitbull. I wasn't so hung up on the breed of dog (cause frankly most are mutts at shelters), but rather the temperament and personality

 

[modogg]

Not my pit. My pit is so gentle my two year old can climb all over him. My cat bullies him. I dont need to put him on a leash when i go out for a walk with him. He is my nanny dog. I am so lucky to have Hades in my life. 

no. doesn't matter what kind of dog this is, "you" are an irresponsible dog owner. if we want to talk being a responsible dog owner that carries a ton more wait then just being lazy and calling out certain breeds

I would wager most in here aren't familiar with Cane Corso's but they are probably more dangerous then a pitt based on they are usually stronger and bigger and come from a similar blood line.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I am familiar with the Cane Corso, the Dogo Argentino, the Pressa Canario, Akitas, Rotties, Shepherds, Rodesian Ridgebacks, Dobermans and several other well capable breeds..  I am familiar with many large breeds as well, Newfies, St. Bernards, Mountain Dogs, Great Danes and others.   Familiar also with some of the large hounds, wolf Hounds and Afghans.

 

[Harry Manback]

It can be the fault of the 7 year old and its parents and still be dumb as hell to own a 4 legged devil. 

Don't be obtuse. The dogs aren't devils, it's the owners of the dogs that make them that way.

Pitbulls, due to their reputation, attract the type of owner that creates a monster.

If you put a golden into that same environment they'd be just as dangerous.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Don't be obtuse. The dogs are devils, it's the owners of the dogs that make them that way.

Pitbulls, due to their reputation, attract the type of owner that creates a monster.

If you put a golden into that same environment they'd be just as dangerous.

They would be dangerous, but not just as dangerous.  No one in their right mind would bet a golden against a pit in a dog match.  I would suggest that no one in their right mind would bet two goldens at once against a single pit in a dog match.

 

[Harry Manback]

They would be dangerous, but not just as dangerous.  No one in their right mind would bet a golden against a pit in a dog match.  I would suggest that no one in their right mind would bet two goldens at once against a single pit in a dog match.

What about a rottie? German Shepard? Great Dane? Huskie? Mastif? Wolfhound?

Or are you under the delusion that a pit is the be all end all most dangerous dog, and willing to ignore the environmental reasons for this?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Don't be obtuse. The dogs aren't devils, it's the owners of the dogs that make them that way.

Pitbulls, due to their reputation, attract the type of owner that creates a monster.

If you put a golden into that same environment they'd be just as dangerous.

This is trolling right?

 

[parasaurolophus]

no. doesn't matter what kind of dog this is, "you" are an irresponsible dog owner. if we want to talk being a responsible dog owner that carries a ton more wait then just being lazy and calling out certain breeds

I would wager most in here aren't familiar with Cane Corso's but they are probably more dangerous then a pitt based on they are usually stronger and bigger and come from a similar blood line.

Why does this matter? Pointing out a more dangerous dog doesn't make a pit less dangerous.

 

[Harry Manback]

This is trolling right?

Golden retrievers have absolutely killed people before, but feel free to spout your ignorance unabated. 

 

[Harry Manback]

Why does this matter? Pointing out a more dangerous dog doesn't make a pit less dangerous.

Why not ban that breed too? Rotties are more dangerous. So are dobermans and german shepards. Also mastifs and bulldogs. Let's ban them all.

 

[Warrior]

The risk of dying from a dog bite injury in the United States in any given year is approximately one in ten million. Why are people so worked up about this?

Perhaps death isn't the only measuring stick to use here. I personally wouldn't be thrilled to be maimed within an inch of my life, to lose multiple limbs, or to be mangled beyond recognition either.

Also, the risk of dying from a wild hyena in the United States in a given year is incredibly rare. However, I wouldn't want one in my living room. Go figure.

 

[Warrior]

 Also bulldogs.

 show your work

 

[eoMMan]

I had a Cane Corso mastiff several years ago. What a ########. We think that maybe he was the dog's version of autistic but man....he was a big ########.

 

[ChainsawU]

Perhaps death isn't the only measuring stick to use here. I personally wouldn't be thrilled to be maimed within an inch of my life, to lose multiple limbs, or to be mangled beyond recognition either. Also, the risk of dying from a wild hyena in the United States in a given year is incredibly rare. However, I wouldn't want one in my living room. Go figure.

Thank you. That makes sense. And thanks for not attacking me - it's a breath of fresh air, sincerely.

I may have found another measuring stick that could help contribute to the discussion. It's about reconstructive plastic surgery statistics. In 2015-16 more than fifty-seven thousand Americans received reconstructive surgery for dog bites - a number that has dropped more than 30 percent since 2000, even as the dog population has increased. pdf file

 

[AAABatteries]

  nice works guys - the best trolls are the occasional ones - makes it more believable 

 

[DallasDMac]

  nice works guys - the best trolls are the occasional ones - makes it more believable 

Yea, I noticed of all the posts he actually chose to ignore, it was mine pointing out where we were obviously being trolled. Give him credit though, still reeling them in.

 

[bigbottom]

I don't normally participate in conversations here. But I chose this one because it is important to me. I have brought a lot of data that backs up my position on multiple levels, I was never rude about it, but that's not at all what I received in return.

This is what you said in your very first post when the thread was bumped yesterday:

How many times are y'all going to wash, rinse, and repeat this same old, tired subject. It makes you look bad to get some hard-on off some obscure article you devoured just because it confirms some weird bias you have.

 

[ChainsawU]

You're right. What I said right there was rude and negative, I'm sorry. I can't argue with that.

 

[Otis]

Can someone explain to me why these people just have to have THIS particular breed of dog? There are a million other dogs out there. Why is it like “yeah, I’ll go with the pit bull.”  Who does that???

 

[Boston]

I am still chuckling thinking about the drug dealers protecting their turf with a Golden...

 

[eoMMan]

Can someone explain to me why these people just have to have THIS particular breed of dog? There are a million other dogs out there. Why is it like “yeah, I’ll go with the pit bull.”  Who does that???

Did you see this?

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/520448-yet-another-pitt-bull-attack/?do=findComment&comment=20545517

 

[Northern Voice]

Way fewer bites since pit bull ban in Toronto. Yes there are some issues with what gets deemed a pit bull and it seems some in here what to argue in favour of the breed by saying the numbers for strictly pure bred pit bulls are significantly lower but I think we can safely say pit bulls/similar breeds/pit bull mixes represent a higher portion of bites than most other breeds - they aren't identifying a Border Collie as a pitbull. I don't know why it can't just be left at that and it has to get to pomeranians and goldens being as likely to bite or as likely to kill/do major damage if they do bite, which is just simply not true, but such is the FFA.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Why not ban that breed too? Rotties are more dangerous. So are dobermans and german shepards. Also mastifs and bulldogs. Let's ban them all.

I don't want to ban dogs. I just want to discuss how dumb their owners are. I love dogs. 

 

[AAABatteries]

Who does that???

Morons