Yet another Pitt Bull attack (1 Viewer)

[AmosMoses]

There is probably a 100% chance of you getting eaten by a pitbull. I'm just talkin probably here, mind you.

So what you're saying is that you got nothing.

I've got plenty. I probably don't talk with any kind of seriousness when people probably pull a pseudofact out of your bum think they are probably making a point, all the while ask for real documentable facts. So pick a style and go with it.

I offered an opinion and stated it as such. I am not sure why you have such a problem with that.Do you disagree with my opinion? Are there a higher percentage of bad pit bulls than bad humans in your opinion?

I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt. But ohh yeah, there are probablydefinitely more bad pit bulls than humans.

 

[Chaka]

There is probably a 100% chance of you getting eaten by a pitbull. I'm just talkin probably here, mind you.

So what you're saying is that you got nothing.

I've got plenty. I probably don't talk with any kind of seriousness when people probably pull a pseudofact out of your bum think they are probably making a point, all the while ask for real documentable facts. So pick a style and go with it.

I offered an opinion and stated it as such. I am not sure why you have such a problem with that.Do you disagree with my opinion? Are there a higher percentage of bad pit bulls than bad humans in your opinion?

I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt. But ohh yeah, there are probablydefinitely more bad pit bulls than humans.

Fair enough. Was that so hard?

 

[3C's]

Just silly that this breed is allowed to procreate. I am just a notch down in my liberalism from Timscochet, yet even I, realize this dog has been bred over generations to a point where it is not safe for humans to be around. I am not saying extermintate them, but even true and mixed bullie, should be required to be spayed or neutered and over the course of the next 30 years, just let the breed go the way of the do-do. If Pits are found over the years during this time; again, it would be inhumane to kill them, but they and their spawn should be neutered/spayed immediately, or else the own surrender them.Reality is, we do not let tigers and gorillas roll around the suburbs, so why should we have this particular breed of dog do so either? It is not the "breed's" fault that they are like this...thug life has turned this animal into a killing machine.

Keep your head in the sand.

The dog which was a national treasure 100 years ago is now some kind of villain.

Again, I am not saying it is the animal's fault, but do you deny that there is a reason that pitbulls specifically are bred for fighting? Guy next door to me has a ####zhu, but for some reason, I don't remember hearing about "the carnage of the shihtzu" anywhere. Reality is, they have a "top 3" rating in bite psi among dog breeds...no question about that. They also are largest percentage breed-wise to be abandoned...literally (according to the link below) 1 in 600 pits will find a "forever home". http://www.the-proper-pitbull.com/pit-bull-rescues.htmlThink about that for a minute...again, not the breed's fault, but they have spun so out-of-control, there is no denying they are are suck on the rescue dog industry (though no rescuers will admit it), and that many dogs with that power to maim on and off the streets is an accident waiting to happen. I am not saying kill the one living (I would NEVER do that...and the shelters are forced to kill thousands a year), but I do think they need to get under control. Do you not think that? Is there a better way to deal with the maiming they are doing??

I spend a large amount of my free time at a shelter so I'm well aware of the overpopulation of pit bull types in shelters. Every pit (except 1) we have adopted out has stayed with their new owners and they post on our FB page raving about how great the dog is.There are many reasons why pits are bred for fighting. Obviously strength and endurance, but mostly they will do whatever it is they are asked to do. They are loyal to a fault. They want nothing more than to please their owner, whether it is herding sheep or fighting.Is there a better way to deal with the maiming? Loaded question since I think it's been sensationalized by the media. Here's a few things off the top of my head. Outlaw chaining/tethering outside. No dog should be left outside for any period of time on a chain. Spay/neuter to drive down the population. Make dog fighting penalties much stiffer in an attempt to bury the practice, and as a result fewer people of the wrong persuasion will own them.

 

[eoMMan]

Go google "most abused dog" and tell me what you find (hint: it's not poodles).

 

[AmosMoses]

There is probably a 100% chance of you getting eaten by a pitbull. I'm just talkin probably here, mind you.

So what you're saying is that you got nothing.

I've got plenty. I probably don't talk with any kind of seriousness when people probably pull a pseudofact out of your bum think they are probably making a point, all the while ask for real documentable facts. So pick a style and go with it.

I offered an opinion and stated it as such. I am not sure why you have such a problem with that.Do you disagree with my opinion? Are there a higher percentage of bad pit bulls than bad humans in your opinion?

I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt. But ohh yeah, there are probablydefinitely more bad pit bulls than humans.

Fair enough. Was that so hard?

Looking back, it wasn't. It was sorta like my first time eating brussel sprouts.

 

[GoFishTN]

Go google "most abused dog" and tell me what you find (hint: it's not poodles).

Dogs that attack people.

 

[3C's]

Call me crazy but I just don't see that as a necessary risk to take with my own kid

what are 'necessary risks'? does your kid eat only healthy food? will you let him play football or make him stick to golf or bowling? will he have to wear a bicycle helmet until he is 18? where do you draw the line? all of this assuming a greater risk of .0001 that a Pitbull will eat your kid than a Lab. Note: I'm not buying a Pit from the thug down the street who decided to breed his prized fighting dog and make a little money at $300/pup, then chain the dog up in my backyard. I'm talking a well-bred, well-raised Pit Bull. the risk is in your head.

When someone gives me a good enough reason to get a Pit over any of 100 other breed of dogs, I'd gladly take the risk. I'm not saying the risk of owning a Pit Bull is so high that I wouldn't consider owning one. I'm saying that risk, when compared other dogs, doesn't make sense, even if incredibly minimal.

These are the risks people choose to assume. You have a different threshold.Some people just like the breed, that is the best answer you can give for anything. You can argue why Mac is better than PC or chocolate more than vanilla but people will still choose the one they like. The only way you will change your mind is to start getting to know people with pit bulls and formulate your own opinion.

This is well put 9and frankly the truth), but is it not a problem that the choice of breed among seedy people is the pitbull? I like chocolate over vanilla, but my decision on flavor has zero impact on anyone else. If I get a pitbull, treat it wrong, and then it gets out of my yard, is it fair that I chose that particular breed in regards to the impact on my neighbors?? If I chose a "chi-poo" or some crap like that...it would be just an annoying flea running around that may "nip" someone...

I am completely on board with the fact that the breed attracts the wrong type of owner. Like many people in here (even the ones on the anti pit bull side) I recognize that eliminating pit bulls, by any means, will not solve that problem.

Not being a jerk here, but why?

they'll move on to another "tough" dog.

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

The American Staffordshire Terrier was the number one companion dog in this country for generations...

Really?

Still waiting

For?

Citation?

You want dog breed statistics from the late 19th and early 20th century? Sorry man, all I have is anecdotal evidence, which I mentioned above. I even offered to change my statement to "on of the most popular breeds" to avoid this exact silliness.

Cool

 

[gianmarco]

Call me crazy but I just don't see that as a necessary risk to take with my own kid

what are 'necessary risks'? does your kid eat only healthy food? will you let him play football or make him stick to golf or bowling? will he have to wear a bicycle helmet until he is 18? where do you draw the line? all of this assuming a greater risk of .0001 that a Pitbull will eat your kid than a Lab. Note: I'm not buying a Pit from the thug down the street who decided to breed his prized fighting dog and make a little money at $300/pup, then chain the dog up in my backyard. I'm talking a well-bred, well-raised Pit Bull. the risk is in your head.

When someone gives me a good enough reason to get a Pit over any of 100 other breed of dogs, I'd gladly take the risk. I'm not saying the risk of owning a Pit Bull is so high that I wouldn't consider owning one. I'm saying that risk, when compared other dogs, doesn't make sense, even if incredibly minimal.

That's why I've decided to never drive on roads that go through woods. You know, all the deer caused auto accidents and all (much higher death rate than pitbull attacks).

Again, I think you're missing the point I'm trying to make. Let me try another way.If Pit Bulls were the only breed of dog available, I wouldn't think twice about owning one. I'd bring one into my home, with my kid, and have a loving pet, knowing that the risk of it doing damage or harm is pretty small. The benefits of owning a dog are far greater than that small risk.But, when presented with other options (and when I say other, I mean LOTS of other options) that have all of the positives of pit bulls without nearly the same likelihood of a catastrophic negative, I can't imagine what would possess someone to opt on a pit bull over another breed, most especially when children are involved. "Loyal to a fault" and "they look cool" aren't quite good enough for me. I guess they are for others. 99.99% of the time, they're right. Those others probably regret their decision not to go with another breed. I'd hate to unnecessarily be that other person, even with such a small risk, given the fact that there are comparable if not superior options. P.S.--I know people that own pit bulls that love their dog. They also love my dog. Very few dogs are unlovable.

 

[glock]

I look at pitbull owners like this. It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

 

[3C's]

 

[Chaka]

Llama: Sorry, no stats.

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[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

I look at pitbull owners like this. It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

I'm not going to get into statistics or all of the other arguments. Yes, pits can be sweet, gentle, lovable, and loyal. I know there are people out there that own pits that decent folk who (for some reason) just love the breed. But based on what I've seen they are the most popular dogs in the worst neighborhoods in town. Around here you see some guy walking his giant-headed, scary-than-hell pit down the street and 90% the time he looks like an ex-con/gang-banger.

 

[Chaka]

I look at pitbull owners like this. It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

I'm not going to get into statistics or all of the other arguments. Yes, pits can be sweet, gentle, lovable, and loyal. I know there are people out there that own pits that decent folk who (for some reason) just love the breed. But based on what I've seen they are the most popular dogs in the worst neighborhoods in town. Around here you see some guy walking his giant-headed, scary-than-hell pit down the street and 90% the time he looks like an ex-con/gang-banger.

I see that all too often here too. What can we do about that, though? I actually agree with much of [icon]'s proposal, except the part about making any breed illegal. But I am all for severe punishment for owner's whose dog attacks or kill someone. Of course you would have to enforce it for all breeds.

 

[Sweet Love]

Just silly that this breed is allowed to procreate. I am just a notch down in my liberalism from Timscochet, yet even I, realize this dog has been bred over generations to a point where it is not safe for humans to be around. I am not saying extermintate them, but even true and mixed bullie, should be required to be spayed or neutered and over the course of the next 30 years, just let the breed go the way of the do-do. If Pits are found over the years during this time; again, it would be inhumane to kill them, but they and their spawn should be neutered/spayed immediately, or else the own surrender them.Reality is, we do not let tigers and gorillas roll around the suburbs, so why should we have this particular breed of dog do so either? It is not the "breed's" fault that they are like this...thug life has turned this animal into a killing machine.

Keep your head in the sand.

The dog which was a national treasure 100 years ago is now some kind of villain.

Again, I am not saying it is the animal's fault, but do you deny that there is a reason that pitbulls specifically are bred for fighting? Guy next door to me has a ####zhu, but for some reason, I don't remember hearing about "the carnage of the shihtzu" anywhere. Reality is, they have a "top 3" rating in bite psi among dog breeds...no question about that. They also are largest percentage breed-wise to be abandoned...literally (according to the link below) 1 in 600 pits will find a "forever home". http://www.the-proper-pitbull.com/pit-bull-rescues.htmlThink about that for a minute...again, not the breed's fault, but they have spun so out-of-control, there is no denying they are are suck on the rescue dog industry (though no rescuers will admit it), and that many dogs with that power to maim on and off the streets is an accident waiting to happen. I am not saying kill the one living (I would NEVER do that...and the shelters are forced to kill thousands a year), but I do think they need to get under control. Do you not think that? Is there a better way to deal with the maiming they are doing??

I spend a large amount of my free time at a shelter so I'm well aware of the overpopulation of pit bull types in shelters. Every pit (except 1) we have adopted out has stayed with their new owners and they post on our FB page raving about how great the dog is.There are many reasons why pits are bred for fighting. Obviously strength and endurance, but mostly they will do whatever it is they are asked to do. They are loyal to a fault. They want nothing more than to please their owner, whether it is herding sheep or fighting.Is there a better way to deal with the maiming? Loaded question since I think it's been sensationalized by the media. Here's a few things off the top of my head. Outlaw chaining/tethering outside. No dog should be left outside for any period of time on a chain. Spay/neuter to drive down the population. Make dog fighting penalties much stiffer in an attempt to bury the practice, and as a result fewer people of the wrong persuasion will own them.

First I will start by saying people like you are wonderful...I have a rescue dog from the pound and she is sensational. Without you, I would not have her. And in the same breath, I will ask you what you could do (facility/time wise) if you did not have one pit breed in the shelter...think about it. Your shelter now has extra room, supplies and time. If your facility had 30% more time/resources (and lets be honest...we know we are talking more than that), we not only could adopt more dogs, we could adopt dogs with a lesser chance of hurting people.To answer the solutions (and while I think you are 100% dead on...it is like telling a 2 year old to live life without ever eating a processed food...nearly impossible):Tethering/chaining: It would be easier to enforce gun laws in Montana...how do you enforce this??Spay/neutering : This was my solution (though to extinction and not reduction), but again, if you work in a shelter, you must know this is a fool's errand. I agree it needs to be done for all dogs, but when only 600 dogs (on a "pit lovin' site") gives you the stat that 1 in 600 find their forever home, you think you could eliminate (or even reduce at this juncture) via spaying/newt??

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

I look at pitbull owners like this. It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

I'm not going to get into statistics or all of the other arguments. Yes, pits can be sweet, gentle, lovable, and loyal. I know there are people out there that own pits that decent folk who (for some reason) just love the breed. But based on what I've seen they are the most popular dogs in the worst neighborhoods in town. Around here you see some guy walking his giant-headed, scary-than-hell pit down the street and 90% the time he looks like an ex-con/gang-banger.

I see that all too often here too. What can we do about that, though? I actually agree with much of [icon]'s proposal, except the part about making any breed illegal. But I am all for severe punishment for owner's whose dog attacks or kill someone. Of course you would have to enforce it for all breeds.

I'm not saying anything about making the breed illegal. I don't agree with it on general principle, it would be next to impossible to do, and like someone posted above jerky owners would just move on to Akitas or Chows or Dobermans or Wolverines.

 

[Chaka]

Call me crazy but I just don't see that as a necessary risk to take with my own kid

what are 'necessary risks'? does your kid eat only healthy food? will you let him play football or make him stick to golf or bowling? will he have to wear a bicycle helmet until he is 18? where do you draw the line? all of this assuming a greater risk of .0001 that a Pitbull will eat your kid than a Lab. Note: I'm not buying a Pit from the thug down the street who decided to breed his prized fighting dog and make a little money at $300/pup, then chain the dog up in my backyard. I'm talking a well-bred, well-raised Pit Bull. the risk is in your head.

When someone gives me a good enough reason to get a Pit over any of 100 other breed of dogs, I'd gladly take the risk. I'm not saying the risk of owning a Pit Bull is so high that I wouldn't consider owning one. I'm saying that risk, when compared other dogs, doesn't make sense, even if incredibly minimal.

These are the risks people choose to assume. You have a different threshold.Some people just like the breed, that is the best answer you can give for anything. You can argue why Mac is better than PC or chocolate more than vanilla but people will still choose the one they like. The only way you will change your mind is to start getting to know people with pit bulls and formulate your own opinion.

This is well put 9and frankly the truth), but is it not a problem that the choice of breed among seedy people is the pitbull? I like chocolate over vanilla, but my decision on flavor has zero impact on anyone else. If I get a pitbull, treat it wrong, and then it gets out of my yard, is it fair that I chose that particular breed in regards to the impact on my neighbors?? If I chose a "chi-poo" or some crap like that...it would be just an annoying flea running around that may "nip" someone...

I am completely on board with the fact that the breed attracts the wrong type of owner. Like many people in here (even the ones on the anti pit bull side) I recognize that eliminating pit bulls, by any means, will not solve that problem.

Not being a jerk here, but why?

They move on to the next breed.

 

[Chaka]

I look at pitbull owners like this.

It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

I'm not going to get into statistics or all of the other arguments. Yes, pits can be sweet, gentle, lovable, and loyal. I know there are people out there that own pits that decent folk who (for some reason) just love the breed. But based on what I've seen they are the most popular dogs in the worst neighborhoods in town. Around here you see some guy walking his giant-headed, scary-than-hell pit down the street and 90% the time he looks like an ex-con/gang-banger.

I see that all too often here too. What can we do about that, though? I actually agree with much of [icon]'s proposal, except the part about making any breed illegal. But I am all for severe punishment for owner's whose dog attacks or kill someone. Of course you would have to enforce it for all breeds.

I'm not saying anything about making the breed illegal. I don't agree with it on general principle, it would be next to impossible to do, and like someone posted above jerky owners would just move on to Akitas or Chows or Dobermans or Wolverines.

I could deal with that.

 

[eoMMan]

I look at pitbull owners like this.

It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

I'm not going to get into statistics or all of the other arguments. Yes, pits can be sweet, gentle, lovable, and loyal. I know there are people out there that own pits that decent folk who (for some reason) just love the breed. But based on what I've seen they are the most popular dogs in the worst neighborhoods in town. Around here you see some guy walking his giant-headed, scary-than-hell pit down the street and 90% the time he looks like an ex-con/gang-banger.

HELLO EXACTLY.So why wipe out a breed because of ratards who choose to mishandle the breed with abuse, neglect, etc.?

 

[urbanhack]

I look at pitbull owners like this. It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

I'm not going to get into statistics or all of the other arguments. Yes, pits can be sweet, gentle, lovable, and loyal. I know there are people out there that own pits that decent folk who (for some reason) just love the breed. But based on what I've seen they are the most popular dogs in the worst neighborhoods in town. Around here you see some guy walking his giant-headed, scary-than-hell pit down the street and 90% the time he looks like an ex-con/gang-banger.

I guess it depends where you are. I see lot's of people in the city who live in "good" neighborhoods who have pit bulls. I think they are becoming more and more popular.

 

[3C's]

Just silly that this breed is allowed to procreate. I am just a notch down in my liberalism from Timscochet, yet even I, realize this dog has been bred over generations to a point where it is not safe for humans to be around. I am not saying extermintate them, but even true and mixed bullie, should be required to be spayed or neutered and over the course of the next 30 years, just let the breed go the way of the do-do. If Pits are found over the years during this time; again, it would be inhumane to kill them, but they and their spawn should be neutered/spayed immediately, or else the own surrender them.Reality is, we do not let tigers and gorillas roll around the suburbs, so why should we have this particular breed of dog do so either? It is not the "breed's" fault that they are like this...thug life has turned this animal into a killing machine.

Keep your head in the sand.

The dog which was a national treasure 100 years ago is now some kind of villain.

Again, I am not saying it is the animal's fault, but do you deny that there is a reason that pitbulls specifically are bred for fighting? Guy next door to me has a ####zhu, but for some reason, I don't remember hearing about "the carnage of the shihtzu" anywhere. Reality is, they have a "top 3" rating in bite psi among dog breeds...no question about that. They also are largest percentage breed-wise to be abandoned...literally (according to the link below) 1 in 600 pits will find a "forever home". http://www.the-proper-pitbull.com/pit-bull-rescues.htmlThink about that for a minute...again, not the breed's fault, but they have spun so out-of-control, there is no denying they are are suck on the rescue dog industry (though no rescuers will admit it), and that many dogs with that power to maim on and off the streets is an accident waiting to happen. I am not saying kill the one living (I would NEVER do that...and the shelters are forced to kill thousands a year), but I do think they need to get under control. Do you not think that? Is there a better way to deal with the maiming they are doing??

I spend a large amount of my free time at a shelter so I'm well aware of the overpopulation of pit bull types in shelters. Every pit (except 1) we have adopted out has stayed with their new owners and they post on our FB page raving about how great the dog is.There are many reasons why pits are bred for fighting. Obviously strength and endurance, but mostly they will do whatever it is they are asked to do. They are loyal to a fault. They want nothing more than to please their owner, whether it is herding sheep or fighting.Is there a better way to deal with the maiming? Loaded question since I think it's been sensationalized by the media. Here's a few things off the top of my head. Outlaw chaining/tethering outside. No dog should be left outside for any period of time on a chain. Spay/neuter to drive down the population. Make dog fighting penalties much stiffer in an attempt to bury the practice, and as a result fewer people of the wrong persuasion will own them.

First I will start by saying people like you are wonderful...I have a rescue dog from the pound and she is sensational. Without you, I would not have her. And in the same breath, I will ask you what you could do (facility/time wise) if you did not have one pit breed in the shelter...think about it. Your shelter now has extra room, supplies and time. If your facility had 30% more time/resources (and lets be honest...we know we are talking more than that), we not only could adopt more dogs, we could adopt dogs with a lesser chance of hurting people.To answer the solutions (and while I think you are 100% dead on...it is like telling a 2 year old to live life without ever eating a processed food...nearly impossible):Tethering/chaining: It would be easier to enforce gun laws in Montana...how do you enforce this??Spay/neutering : This was my solution (though to extinction and not reduction), but again, if you work in a shelter, you must know this is a fool's errand. I agree it needs to be done for all dogs, but when only 600 dogs (on a "pit lovin' site") gives you the stat that 1 in 600 find their forever home, you think you could eliminate (or even reduce at this juncture) via spaying/newt??

tethering: hard to enforce if it's left at X hours per day max, easier to enforce if set to 0. No tethering. Get a fence and/or keep the dog inside. Otherwise we'll cite with cruelty to animals and take the dog on further violations.obviously, every dog that comes in gets s/n. offering inexpensive s/n opportunities (free is good) to the community goes a long way. the (way) reduced price "snip van" is always booked when it comes around. I haven't looked at the data for the 1 in 600 number, but I'm thinking a large part of the reason for that is many pounds (for lack of a better term) don't even attempt to adopt out bully types. Others will give them 3 days...seriously? 3? Hardly a chance.

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

I look at pitbull owners like this. It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

I'm not going to get into statistics or all of the other arguments. Yes, pits can be sweet, gentle, lovable, and loyal. I know there are people out there that own pits that decent folk who (for some reason) just love the breed. But based on what I've seen they are the most popular dogs in the worst neighborhoods in town. Around here you see some guy walking his giant-headed, scary-than-hell pit down the street and 90% the time he looks like an ex-con/gang-banger.

I guess it depends where you are. I see lot's of people in the city who live in "good" neighborhoods who have pit bulls. I think they are becoming more and more popular.

I see them in the good neighborhoods as well. But nowhere near in the same numbers as in the shady parts of town.

 

[AmosMoses]

I look at pitbull owners like this. It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

I'm not going to get into statistics or all of the other arguments. Yes, pits can be sweet, gentle, lovable, and loyal. I know there are people out there that own pits that decent folk who (for some reason) just love the breed. But based on what I've seen they are the most popular dogs in the worst neighborhoods in town. Around here you see some guy walking his giant-headed, scary-than-hell pit down the street and 90% the time he looks like an ex-con/gang-banger.

I guess it depends where you are. I see lot's of people in the city who live in "good" neighborhoods who have pit bulls. I think they are becoming more and more popular.

No you don't.

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

I look at pitbull owners like this. It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

I'm not going to get into statistics or all of the other arguments. Yes, pits can be sweet, gentle, lovable, and loyal. I know there are people out there that own pits that decent folk who (for some reason) just love the breed. But based on what I've seen they are the most popular dogs in the worst neighborhoods in town. Around here you see some guy walking his giant-headed, scary-than-hell pit down the street and 90% the time he looks like an ex-con/gang-banger.

I guess it depends where you are. I see lot's of people in the city who live in "good" neighborhoods who have pit bulls. I think they are becoming more and more popular.

No you don't.

 

[urbanhack]

I look at pitbull owners like this. It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

I'm not going to get into statistics or all of the other arguments. Yes, pits can be sweet, gentle, lovable, and loyal. I know there are people out there that own pits that decent folk who (for some reason) just love the breed. But based on what I've seen they are the most popular dogs in the worst neighborhoods in town. Around here you see some guy walking his giant-headed, scary-than-hell pit down the street and 90% the time he looks like an ex-con/gang-banger.

I guess it depends where you are. I see lot's of people in the city who live in "good" neighborhoods who have pit bulls. I think they are becoming more and more popular.

No you don't.

OK.

 

[eoMMan]

I look at pitbull owners like this. It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

I'm not going to get into statistics or all of the other arguments. Yes, pits can be sweet, gentle, lovable, and loyal. I know there are people out there that own pits that decent folk who (for some reason) just love the breed. But based on what I've seen they are the most popular dogs in the worst neighborhoods in town. Around here you see some guy walking his giant-headed, scary-than-hell pit down the street and 90% the time he looks like an ex-con/gang-banger.

I guess it depends where you are. I see lot's of people in the city who live in "good" neighborhoods who have pit bulls. I think they are becoming more and more popular.

No you don't.

OK.

Yay or nay?http://youtu.be/VXa9tXcMhXQ

 

[urbanhack]

HOT

 

[eoMMan]

HOT

dih

 

[Chaka]

HOT

Needs more peanut butter.

 

[Chaka]

I look at pitbull owners like this. It's kind of like people that a vehicle with a set of Bumpernutz. There is a chance that they're not complete d-bags but I'm just going to go ahead and assume.

Ahem. That wasn't very nice.

I'm not going to get into statistics or all of the other arguments. Yes, pits can be sweet, gentle, lovable, and loyal. I know there are people out there that own pits that decent folk who (for some reason) just love the breed. But based on what I've seen they are the most popular dogs in the worst neighborhoods in town. Around here you see some guy walking his giant-headed, scary-than-hell pit down the street and 90% the time he looks like an ex-con/gang-banger.

I guess it depends where you are. I see lot's of people in the city who live in "good" neighborhoods who have pit bulls. I think they are becoming more and more popular.

No you don't.

 

[modogg]

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http://stubbydog.org/2011/01/pit-bull-history/http://www.pbrc.net/faq.html

 

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Buster Brown too

Yeah I mentioned that one in an earlier post. Forgot to include a link, thanks.

 

[Mister CIA]

Just curious and this is a serious question:

What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

I've fostered easily 100 dogs and dozens of pitbulls and they have to be the most loving and affectionate breed. The one's I typically get just want to be loved almost to a fault. They think they're 40lb lap dogs. Its really a site to see; if you're a dog lover that is. You have this absolute physical specimen that is just so goofy and submissive. And they can take some serious abuse from the kids without a peep. I've never heard of them mentioned as a great breed to own, but that's why I love them.

I can say the same about boxers and other dogs as well. They aren't the only "loving and affectionate breed". In fact, most dogs I've met in people's homes are "the most loving and affectionate" animal. So, anything else?

yeah, but boxers are absolute nuts. a boxer is much more likely to knock my kid halfway across the room or jump up on my kid. pit bulls are so much more subdued. that's my biggest problem with my non-pitbull fosters is that they're so energetic. they get an acre of property to run on and then they come in the house and they're still bouncing off the walls. like most things, you really have to experience the level of affection to understand what I'm saying. I'm not trying to convince you. Nor do I have any type of agenda. I love pit bulls and it would sadden me if they were banned, but things like puppy mills and the millions of dogs that are euthanized every year sadden me even more.

Not if they are trained well . You know, the kind of training that pit bull owners say they give to their own dogs to ensure they don't decide to become murderers.

Considering that boxers are amongst the most popular and recommended family dogs, if they were truly knocking kids halfway across rooms, you'd think we'd be hearing about it and their popularity would die down.

Aren't you the guy that sent your somewhat feeble mom to PetSmart with your untrained boxer and, after an incident, started a thread here and wondered aloud if you should initiate a civil action against PetSmart? I can't seem to find the thread, and apologies if my memory is failing me.

 

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Buster Brown too

Yeah I mentioned that one in an earlier post. Forgot to include a link, thanks.

Thanks guys. This is really good info.

 

[Chaka]

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Buster Brown too

Yeah I mentioned that one in an earlier post. Forgot to include a link, thanks.

Thanks guys. This is really good info.

Not sure how it makes a difference in the real world. I think modogg's link about bloodhounds was quite interesting too but again I don't see how it changes the realities today. Unless we do something to curtail bad breeders and owners I don't see the problem changing. Yes, I acknowledge there is a problem, I just don't see it as being a problem with the breed.

 

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Buster Brown too

Yeah I mentioned that one in an earlier post. Forgot to include a link, thanks.

Thanks guys. This is really good info.

Not sure how it makes a difference in the real world. I think modogg's link about bloodhounds was quite interesting too but again I don't see how it changes the realities today. Unless we do something to curtail bad breeders and owners I don't see the problem changing. Yes, I acknowledge there is a problem, I just don't see it as being a problem with the breed.

The current breeders have made the breed. How many generations do you think it takes to focus on particular personality traits? A dogs generation can only be 2 years long. Do the math on this and it's an unfortunate story. Do you think the 1910 AST is close to the same dog as your garden variety pitbull that Affliction vato owns?

 

[gianmarco]

Just curious and this is a serious question:

What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

I've fostered easily 100 dogs and dozens of pitbulls and they have to be the most loving and affectionate breed. The one's I typically get just want to be loved almost to a fault. They think they're 40lb lap dogs. Its really a site to see; if you're a dog lover that is. You have this absolute physical specimen that is just so goofy and submissive. And they can take some serious abuse from the kids without a peep. I've never heard of them mentioned as a great breed to own, but that's why I love them.

I can say the same about boxers and other dogs as well. They aren't the only "loving and affectionate breed". In fact, most dogs I've met in people's homes are "the most loving and affectionate" animal. So, anything else?

yeah, but boxers are absolute nuts. a boxer is much more likely to knock my kid halfway across the room or jump up on my kid. pit bulls are so much more subdued. that's my biggest problem with my non-pitbull fosters is that they're so energetic. they get an acre of property to run on and then they come in the house and they're still bouncing off the walls. like most things, you really have to experience the level of affection to understand what I'm saying. I'm not trying to convince you. Nor do I have any type of agenda. I love pit bulls and it would sadden me if they were banned, but things like puppy mills and the millions of dogs that are euthanized every year sadden me even more.

Not if they are trained well . You know, the kind of training that pit bull owners say they give to their own dogs to ensure they don't decide to become murderers.

Considering that boxers are amongst the most popular and recommended family dogs, if they were truly knocking kids halfway across rooms, you'd think we'd be hearing about it and their popularity would die down.

Aren't you the guy that sent your somewhat feeble mom to PetSmart with your untrained boxer and, after an incident, started a thread here and wondered aloud if you should initiate a civil action against PetSmart? I can't seem to find the thread, and apologies if my memory is failing me.

That's some solid notebooking. Except she isn't feeble, he is trained, and I had no intention of even asking for a coupon let alone a civil action suit.

Now, if my boxer were a Pit Bull and had ripped my mother's face off while in the care of Petsmart, THEN I couldn't wait for my day in court. Luckily, common sense prevailed when choosing my pet.

 

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Well that's the only proof I need. Now I'm going to buy some stuff off of the TV because a whole bunch of people said it was good.

 

[Chaka]

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Bud (for some reason he became famous for being a passenger on the first cross country automobile trip)

Buster Brown too

Yeah I mentioned that one in an earlier post. Forgot to include a link, thanks.

Thanks guys. This is really good info.

Not sure how it makes a difference in the real world. I think modogg's link about bloodhounds was quite interesting too but again I don't see how it changes the realities today. Unless we do something to curtail bad breeders and owners I don't see the problem changing. Yes, I acknowledge there is a problem, I just don't see it as being a problem with the breed.

The current breeders have made the breed. How many generations do you think it takes to focus on particular personality traits? A dogs generation can only be 2 years long. Do the math on this and it's an unfortunate story. Do you think the 1910 AST is close to the same dog as your garden variety pitbull that Affliction vato owns?

Are you scared of bloodhounds? With a generation time of two years you can change a characteristic within a population very quickly. Conversely if you got rid of all the pits how long before the rots would be bred up to be even worse than they are today? Or presa canarios? Or mastiffs?Getting rid of the breed (if it were even possible) is treating a symptom. You'll feel good for a few years then another breed problem will arise.

 

[Chaka]

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Well that's the only proof I need. Now I'm going to buy some stuff off of the TV because a whole bunch of people said it was good.

I told you my only evidence was anecdotal. Do you honestly think I am that far off base? I mean the breed was created in the U.K. but it's called the American Staffordshire Terrier, it's not because we hated it. You're mocking is all well and good Tanner, but it would be nice to see an actual counter argument, even an anecdotal one.

 

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Bud (for some reason he became famous for being a passenger on the first cross country automobile trip)

Buster Brown too

Yeah I mentioned that one in an earlier post. Forgot to include a link, thanks.

Thanks guys. This is really good info.

Not sure how it makes a difference in the real world. I think modogg's link about bloodhounds was quite interesting too but again I don't see how it changes the realities today. Unless we do something to curtail bad breeders and owners I don't see the problem changing. Yes, I acknowledge there is a problem, I just don't see it as being a problem with the breed.

The current breeders have made the breed. How many generations do you think it takes to focus on particular personality traits? A dogs generation can only be 2 years long. Do the math on this and it's an unfortunate story. Do you think the 1910 AST is close to the same dog as your garden variety pitbull that Affliction vato owns?

Are you scared of bloodhounds? With a generation time of two years you can change a characteristic within a population very quickly. Conversely if you got rid of all the pits how long before the rots would be bred up to be even worse than they are today? Or presa canarios? Or mastiffs?Getting rid of the breed (if it were even possible) is treating a symptom. You'll feel good for a few years then another breed problem will arise.

No. 31.3 years. 27.9 years. 14.7 years.

 

[3C's]

Just curious and this is a serious question:

What makes pit bulls such a great breed to own? Is there something about them that makes them very desirable pets? Is it because there are so many at the shelters?

I've fostered easily 100 dogs and dozens of pitbulls and they have to be the most loving and affectionate breed. The one's I typically get just want to be loved almost to a fault. They think they're 40lb lap dogs. Its really a site to see; if you're a dog lover that is. You have this absolute physical specimen that is just so goofy and submissive. And they can take some serious abuse from the kids without a peep. I've never heard of them mentioned as a great breed to own, but that's why I love them.

I can say the same about boxers and other dogs as well. They aren't the only "loving and affectionate breed". In fact, most dogs I've met in people's homes are "the most loving and affectionate" animal. So, anything else?

yeah, but boxers are absolute nuts. a boxer is much more likely to knock my kid halfway across the room or jump up on my kid. pit bulls are so much more subdued. that's my biggest problem with my non-pitbull fosters is that they're so energetic. they get an acre of property to run on and then they come in the house and they're still bouncing off the walls. like most things, you really have to experience the level of affection to understand what I'm saying. I'm not trying to convince you. Nor do I have any type of agenda. I love pit bulls and it would sadden me if they were banned, but things like puppy mills and the millions of dogs that are euthanized every year sadden me even more.

Not if they are trained well . You know, the kind of training that pit bull owners say they give to their own dogs to ensure they don't decide to become murderers.

Considering that boxers are amongst the most popular and recommended family dogs, if they were truly knocking kids halfway across rooms, you'd think we'd be hearing about it and their popularity would die down.

Aren't you the guy that sent your somewhat feeble mom to PetSmart with your untrained boxer and, after an incident, started a thread here and wondered aloud if you should initiate a civil action against PetSmart? I can't seem to find the thread, and apologies if my memory is failing me.

That's some solid notebooking. Except she isn't feeble, he is trained, and I had no intention of even asking for a coupon let alone a civil action suit.

Now, if my boxer were a Pit Bull and had ripped my mother's face off while in the care of Petsmart, THEN I couldn't wait for my day in court. Luckily, common sense prevailed when choosing my pet.

Were you researching prong collars for another dog? Wouldn't think you'd need one for a trained dog.

 

[Cunk]

I guess deciding to buy a pit bull is kind of like deciding to bungee jump. Hardly anyone ever gets hurt bungee jumping but if something does go wrong then you're F'd.

 

[thayman]

I guess deciding to buy a pit bull is kind of like deciding to bungee jump. Hardly anyone ever gets hurt bungee jumping but if something does go wrong then you're F'd.

A better analogy would be that bungee jumping is very safe when you make sure you follow all safety procedures. Pitt Bulls are very safe in the hands of a dog owner who is aware of their needs.That's the problem with most people that oppoose certain dog breeds, you don't understand that dogs aren't a toy. They need exercise, attention and affection.

 

[the moops]

They need exercise, attention and affection.

And just sometimes they need the flesh of a 6 year old.

 

[jomar]

I guess deciding to buy a pit bull is kind of like deciding to bungee jump. Hardly anyone ever gets hurt bungee jumping but if something does go wrong then you're F'd.

A better analogy would be that bungee jumping is very safe when you make sure you follow all safety procedures. Pitt Bulls are very safe in the hands of a dog owner who is aware of their needs.That's the problem with most people that oppoose certain dog breeds, you don't understand that dogs aren't a toy. They need exercise, attention and affection.

Furthermore, this applies to more than just pits. German shepherds, Rottweilers, dobermans, pretty much any of the large and giant breed dogs including labs and retrievers can do a lot of damage if they aren't trained or mistreated and snap.

 

[thayman]

They need exercise, attention and affection.

And just sometimes they need the flesh of a 6 year old.

I do find it amusing that the people that are pro pitt bull are the only ones able to hold a rational conversation. It's comments like this that just make you look like a complete tool.

 

[AmosMoses]

They need exercise, attention and affection.

And just sometimes they need the flesh of a 6 year old.

I do find it amusing that the people that are pro pitt bull are the only ones able to hold a rational conversation. It's comments like this that just make you look like a complete tool, until my pit bull eats my children and neighbors.

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[thayman]

They need exercise, attention and affection.

And just sometimes they need the flesh of a 6 year old.

I do find it amusing that the people that are pro pitt bull are the only ones able to hold a rational conversation. It's comments like this that just make you look like a complete tool, until my pit bull eats my children and neighbors.

fixed

Thank you for contiuing to prove my point. It is interesting that so many of you have absolutly no interst in educating yourselves on the topic.