Yet another Pitt Bull attack (1 Viewer)

[BustedKnuckles]

man ,the judgmental stereotyping in this thread is alarming ...who do you people think you are?

People that understand odds

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im not even talking about the pit bull issue ...im talking general attitude towards people ...grouping the way you do

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

man ,the judgmental stereotyping in this thread is alarming ...who do you people think you are?

People that understand odds

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im not even talking about the pit bull issue ...im talking general attitude towards people ...grouping the way you do

You mean based off of statistics as we are doing with Pit Bulls? Or based on anecdotal, small sample size analysis that has been used by Pit Bull advocates in this thread?

 

[Card Trader]

man ,the judgmental stereotyping in this thread is alarming ...who do you people think you are?

People that understand odds

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im not even talking about the pit bull issue ...im talking general attitude towards people ...grouping the way you do

If there is a group of people that deserves stereotyping and being judgmental towards it's the idiots that own these things.

 

[jomar]

are there any other breeds of dogs that people own that deserve stereotyping and people being judgmental towards them? other than yorkies...

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

are there any other breeds of dogs that people own that deserve stereotyping and people being judgmental towards them? other than yorkies...

Chow Chows are pretty ####ty dogs both with aggression and damage capabilities but luckily they are not very popular and most people know they are not family friendly dogs.

 

[dgreen]

man ,the judgmental stereotyping in this thread is alarming ...who do you people think you are?

People that understand odds

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What are the odds? How many pits are there? How many attack?

Too high. Lots. More than any other breed by quite a large magnitude.

Well, no arguing with that.

 

[steelerfan1]

Question for the pitbull owners:

Do you also own a firearm?

yes, an old school revolver for the home. i work some strange shifts, sometimes nights, and feel more comfortable with it there and the wife being alone at times. i do not have a carry permit at this time but looking into it in the future.

 

[steelerfan1]

man ,the judgmental stereotyping in this thread is alarming ...who do you people think you are?

People

dont you mean ''superior beings? ''

Its not the people without the pitbulls that have inferiority issues. To point those issues out doesnt make anyone superior.

so, by me owning 2 pit bull terriers, you believe you have a pretty good sense of who i am as a person then?

 

[steelerfan1]

This is not meant to come off as judgmental, but I wonder whether any of the pit bull owners who say their dogs are loving and completely non-violent are starting to question their decision to have them in the home, particularly if there are young children. The sweet photos of their dogs they post seem a lot like the videos posted by the sister in this story.

hi bb, no, i don't question my decision. i have had them for going on 25 years and have witnessed no display of people aggression from them. they have been around my nieces, nephew and neighbors children. have i left them unattended with said children? no. nor would i any breed of dog that i owned.

So, you've had pit bulls (or pit mixes) for 25 years. How many of them have you owned? Where do you get them? Do you breed them, or get them from a breeder? Or did you adopt them? Did you get them as puppies or as older dogs?

hi bb,i've owned 4, 2 currently, with one being 14 and the other 10. my first one was 8 when he passed away of cancer.. 3 of them i have had i've owned since they were 8 weeks old. the other was at an older age in her life and was the mother of my 14 year old dog now. that dog lived with my mom which she kept for several of her golden years before she passed on to cancer as well.

much like any major purchase/decision, I researched and got as much info as i could. spent a lot of time visiting tons of dogs and breeders, talking with vets, etc. found a breeder i thought i felt good with, got to know the dogs, parents of dogs, etc.

i do not breed them as i couldn't give away a pup i don't think. too many bad homes out there IMO. not to mention all the thousands of them out there on the streets now. not too much positive there for me to do that now.

not to hijack steeler's post but my 2 cents. i have only owned one, being my current. foster'd about 8 of the little buggers, (and a side note out of this insane vortex, but if you are interested in a dog look to getting one that has been foster'd. all our's got tons of socialization and got some good training before leaving. new owners get a dog already somewhat trained and a good deal out of it). all dogs (3 total, one died) from the 2 local rescues. no interest in breeding, no room for it, and though it pains me we have got all our dogs snipped when they were tiny.

Yeah mo, with so many rescues in need not sure what I will do in the future. Sadly (at least to me anyway) my 14 year old male is in kidney failure now. We've been managing it the last 6 or so months and he goes for his daily car ride, but this last week I notice a change in him and know the time is coming soon. My 10 year old is going to be devastated, not to mention me. Wife is already saying maybe looking into adoption route but I just don't even want to think about it now....

ugh bud, good luck. i know without a doubt, even though pit bulls are pure evil, i will be a mess for a few days. and yeah, adoption will always be there, give yourselves a little time to grieve

thanks bud. brought him in today for bloodwork to see how far it's progressed from the july blood panel. from his coughing symptoms i believed he may have been developing congestive heart failure, ut vet said his ticker sounds great and there is usually a pretty big murmur they can detect if he was suffering from that. i guess he could have a mass in his lungs which there would be nothing that we would do worth that obviously at 14. he said as the kidneys get worse the symptoms could be coming from that as well, so we took another blood panel today as a first step.

 

[dgreen]

man ,the judgmental stereotyping in this thread is alarming ...who do you people think you are?

People

dont you mean ''superior beings? ''

Its not the people without the pitbulls that have inferiority issues. To point those issues out doesnt make anyone superior.

so, by me owning 2 pit bull terriers, you believe you have a pretty good sense of who i am as a person then?

It's a miracle you're still alive.

 

[steelerfan1]

This is not meant to come off as judgmental, but I wonder whether any of the pit bull owners who say their dogs are loving and completely non-violent are starting to question their decision to have them in the home, particularly if there are young children. The sweet photos of their dogs they post seem a lot like the videos posted by the sister in this story.

hi bb, no, i don't question my decision. i have had them for going on 25 years and have witnessed no display of people aggression from them. they have been around my nieces, nephew and neighbors children. have i left them unattended with said children? no. nor would i any breed of dog that i owned.

So, you've had pit bulls (or pit mixes) for 25 years. How many of them have you owned? Where do you get them? Do you breed them, or get them from a breeder? Or did you adopt them? Did you get them as puppies or as older dogs?

hi bb,i've owned 4, 2 currently, with one being 14 and the other 10. my first one was 8 when he passed away of cancer.. 3 of them i have had i've owned since they were 8 weeks old. the other was at an older age in her life and was the mother of my 14 year old dog now. that dog lived with my mom which she kept for several of her golden years before she passed on to cancer as well.

much like any major purchase/decision, I researched and got as much info as i could. spent a lot of time visiting tons of dogs and breeders, talking with vets, etc. found a breeder i thought i felt good with, got to know the dogs, parents of dogs, etc.

i do not breed them as i couldn't give away a pup i don't think. too many bad homes out there IMO. not to mention all the thousands of them out there on the streets now. not too much positive there for me to do that now.

Thanks for the response. The reason I ask is because a common response I hear from pit owners is that they've had their dog for years and years and they've never displayed any violent tendencies. Even putting aside the stories where seemingly friendly and gentle pits snap and attack someone, the fact is that at some point an owner hasn't had the dog for years and years. At some point the dog is new to the household, or new to adulthood. I can totally understand getting comfortable with the safety of your dog over a course of 5-10 years. But I'd be a whole lot less comfortable during those first five years.

thanks for being sincere bb. honestly, there are great dogs out there that need homes and in the future i may look that route. to be honest though, i do have some rain-man tendencies and knowing the parents of a dog, seeing them, knowing their breeding and raising a dog from a pup....i just like that.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

are there any other breeds of dogs that people own that deserve stereotyping and people being judgmental towards them? other than yorkies...

Chow Chows are pretty ####ty dogs both with aggression and damage capabilities but luckily they are not very popular and most people know they are not family friendly dogs.

There was a window of time when they were the dog du jour so to speak and their bites jumped drastically. Anytime a breed has a marked upsurge in popularity you get poor breeders, bad dogs, and uninformed and irresponsible owners. That helps magnify any negative traits and negative consequences. We have seen the current pattern with Shepards, then Dobbies, Rotties, Chows, Akita's, and then Pits. With Pits we had a perfect storm of dog traits and irresponsible breeders and owners all coming together.

 

[steelerfan1]

Question for the pitbull owners:

Do you also own a firearm?

Why is that question only for the pit-bull owners?

well chaka, i have a firearm to protect myself from my pit bulls, but i thought that was just implied from the get go....HIYOOOOO

 

[steelerfan1]

are there any other breeds of dogs that people own that deserve stereotyping and people being judgmental towards them? other than yorkies...

Chow Chows are pretty ####ty dogs both with aggression and damage capabilities but luckily they are not very popular and most people know they are not family friendly dogs.

There was a window of time when they were to dog du jour so to speak and their bites jumped drastically. anytime a breed has a marked upsurge in popularity you get poor breeders, bad dogs, and uninformed and irresponsible owners. that helps magnify any negative traits and negative consequences. We have seen the current pattern with Shepards, then Dobbies, Rotties, Chows, Akita's, and then Pits. With Pits we had a perfect storm of dog traits and irresponsible breeders and owners all coming together.

was going to say something similar DW. if this board were around in the 70's and 80's it would have been the doberman, shepard, then rotties, akitas thread.

 

[steelerfan1]

man ,the judgmental stereotyping in this thread is alarming ...who do you people think you are?

People

dont you mean ''superior beings? ''

Its not the people without the pitbulls that have inferiority issues. To point those issues out doesnt make anyone superior.

so, by me owning 2 pit bull terriers, you believe you have a pretty good sense of who i am as a person then?

It's a miracle you're still alive.

well i normally do walk around the house wearing a bite suit...not sure if i've mentioned that yet in here....

 

[steelerfan1]

man ,the judgmental stereotyping in this thread is alarming ...who do you people think you are?

People that understand odds

Fixed

im not even talking about the pit bull issue ...im talking general attitude towards people ...grouping the way you do

You mean based off of statistics as we are doing with Pit Bulls? Or based on anecdotal, small sample size analysis that has been used by Pit Bull advocates in this thread?

hi CDH,

not sure if i have the correct person, but aren't you the one who handles dog bit cases?

 

[eoMMan]

"travel trailer she shared with her dogs"

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

man ,the judgmental stereotyping in this thread is alarming ...who do you people think you are?

People that understand odds

Fixed

im not even talking about the pit bull issue ...im talking general attitude towards people ...grouping the way you do

You mean based off of statistics as we are doing with Pit Bulls? Or based on anecdotal, small sample size analysis that has been used by Pit Bull advocates in this thread?

hi CDH,not sure if i have the correct person, but aren't you the one who handles dog bit cases?

I do.

 

[Chaka]

are there any other breeds of dogs that people own that deserve stereotyping and people being judgmental towards them? other than yorkies...

I'm on board with the notion that people blow this issue way out of proportion. The overall damage they do to society as a whole is entirely insignificant (spare me the "tell that to the families" appeal to emotion fallacy).

But it is undeniable that when a pit-bull attacks they do significantly more damage than most other breeds and certainly more than any other breed with the ownership rates that pitt have. More pitt apologists need to acknowledge that fact instead of excusing, dismissing or ignoring it entirely.

 

[steelerfan1]

man ,the judgmental stereotyping in this thread is alarming ...who do you people think you are?

People that understand odds

Fixed

im not even talking about the pit bull issue ...im talking general attitude towards people ...grouping the way you do

You mean based off of statistics as we are doing with Pit Bulls? Or based on anecdotal, small sample size analysis that has been used by Pit Bull advocates in this thread?

hi CDH,not sure if i have the correct person, but aren't you the one who handles dog bit cases?

I do.

i know the below posted rant if you will is not really relevant (Not saying Canada isn't relevant... I love you Canada. Don't want any more people cussing at me) to this question until the last paragraph, but this sums up where i am in the whole matter pretty nicely. regarding the last paragraph though...do you know if this has rang true with the places that do have BSL's in place? and if so, the stats not for just maulings, but deaths?

Breed Specific Legislation (Dangerous and/or Vicious Dogs)The Canadian Kennel Club supports dangerous and/or vicious dog legislation, which would serve to protect the public from dangerous dogs. The Canadian Kennel Club does not support breed-specific legislation. The Canadian Kennel Club's opposition to breed-specific legislation is based on the fact that a dangerous temperament is a product of many factors, and not by breed alone. Thus, breed-specific legislation may include dogs which are not dangerous, while excluding those which are.The Canadian Kennel Club considers banning a particular type of dog as a reactionary measure with little effect, and one that will only serve to push the indiscriminate breeders and/or owners underground, or to another breed not included in the legislation.The label of "vicious" and/or "dangerous" should be determined by an individual dog's behaviour, and not by its breed or appearance.The Canadian Kennel Club believes that dog owners should be responsible for the actions of their dogs, and that laws should:· Impose stern penalties on irresponsible owners;· Establish a well defined procedure for dealing with dogs proven to be dangerous, which includes, if necessary, the destruction of such animals;· The Canadian Kennel Club endorses and encourages the enforcement of:· Leash laws; "Running at large" laws; Confinement on private property - childproof from the outside and dog-proof from the inside. The Canadian Kennel Club will continue to support and assist those who share our concern for the protection and advancement of all breeds.Winnipeg enacted a BSL ban on Pit Bulls and was one of the first Cities if not the first to do so. After the ban stats showed dog bites either increased or stayed the same.

 

[steelerfan1]

are there any other breeds of dogs that people own that deserve stereotyping and people being judgmental towards them? other than yorkies...

But it is undeniable that when a pit-bull attacks they do significantly more damage than most other breeds and certainly more than any other breed with the ownership rates that pitt have. More pitt apologists need to acknowledge that fact instead of excusing, dismissing or ignoring it entirely.

don't believe i've done this chaka, but also don't believe that total eradication is the answer to the problem.

 

[NutterButter]

Has there ever been a pit bull death that hasn't occurred in a neighborhood that wasn't a complete dumpster fire? Every time I read one of these stories, it always takes place in the biggest toilet.

 

[eoMMan]

"travel trailer she shared with her dogs"

 

[modogg]

"travel trailer she shared with her dogs"

ok, i'll jump in with this one because i too think this note is important. I am unfamiliar with a travel trailer (as farmers.com says, I guess "city people just don't get it"), but i imagine it is not spacious or is suited well for having pets. My theory here is most large or medium-large sized dogs would probably not do well kept in a housing situation like that. On top of that, my guess is exercising these dogs was not a priority for the family. So yes, i guess this is from a story about a pit bull attack, but i think it really has nothing to do with the breed of dog and many other factors are contributing here

 

[Chaka]

are there any other breeds of dogs that people own that deserve stereotyping and people being judgmental towards them? other than yorkies...

But it is undeniable that when a pit-bull attacks they do significantly more damage than most other breeds and certainly more than any other breed with the ownership rates that pitt have. More pitt apologists need to acknowledge that fact instead of excusing, dismissing or ignoring it entirely.

don't believe i've done this chaka, but also don't believe that total eradication is the answer to the problem.

I don't remember who said what but I have seen plenty of people try to minimize, or distract from the reality of what happens when pit-bulls do attack. Supporters need to acknowledge vocally acknowledge how dangerous these dogs can be, and it wouldn't hurt to support the notion of requiring owners to get licenses or training certification before they can purchase certain breeds.

For their part the "kill 'em all crowd" really need to focus their attention on issues that truly have an impact on society. Pit-bull's are really below the one percentile mark for their impact on society.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

man ,the judgmental stereotyping in this thread is alarming ...who do you people think you are?

People that understand odds

Fixed

im not even talking about the pit bull issue ...im talking general attitude towards people ...grouping the way you do

You mean based off of statistics as we are doing with Pit Bulls? Or based on anecdotal, small sample size analysis that has been used by Pit Bull advocates in this thread?

hi CDH,not sure if i have the correct person, but aren't you the one who handles dog bit cases?

I do.

i know the below posted rant if you will is not really relevant (Not saying Canada isn't relevant... I love you Canada. Don't want any more people cussing at me) to this question until the last paragraph, but this sums up where i am in the whole matter pretty nicely. regarding the last paragraph though...do you know if this has rang true with the places that do have BSL's in place? and if so, the stats not for just maulings, but deaths?Breed Specific Legislation (Dangerous and/or Vicious Dogs)

The Canadian Kennel Club supports dangerous and/or vicious dog legislation, which would

serve to protect the public from dangerous dogs. The Canadian Kennel Club does not

support breed-specific legislation. The Canadian Kennel Club's opposition to

breed-specific legislation is based on the fact that a dangerous temperament is a product

of many factors, and not by breed alone. Thus, breed-specific legislation may include

dogs which are not dangerous, while excluding those which are.

The Canadian Kennel Club considers banning a particular type of dog as a reactionary

measure with little effect, and one that will only serve to push the indiscriminate

breeders and/or owners underground, or to another breed not included in the legislation.

The label of "vicious" and/or "dangerous" should be determined by an

individual dog's behaviour, and not by its breed or appearance.

The Canadian Kennel Club believes that dog owners should be responsible for the actions

of their dogs, and that laws should:

· Impose stern penalties on irresponsible owners;

· Establish a well defined procedure for dealing with dogs proven to be dangerous, which

includes, if necessary, the destruction of such animals;

· The Canadian Kennel Club endorses and encourages the enforcement of:

· Leash laws; "Running at large" laws; Confinement on private property -

childproof from the outside and dog-proof from the inside.

The Canadian Kennel Club will continue to support and assist those who share our concern

for the protection and advancement of all breeds.

Winnipeg enacted a BSL ban on Pit Bulls and was one of the first Cities if not the first

to do so. After the ban stats showed dog bites either increased or stayed the same.

The last part is true that breed specific bans do not minimize dog bites. All breeds will bite. However, they do not state whether "traumatic" or "severe" dog bites decrease in number. They do. The evidence supports this but most animal groups simply focus on the macro (number of dog bites). They need to focus on the micro (severity of injury caused by the bite). There is a hell of a lot of difference between a typical large breed dog bite and a pit bull bite. (Pit bull is considered a medium breed) The pit bull bites are usually more severe. Most large breed dogs only bite the victim once. The intent is to stop the victim from doing something, make the victim go away, allow the dog time to get away, or accidentally while in a fight with another dog. A pit bull tends to bite and hold. And bite again and again if a hold cannot be achieved. Some will shake a victim causing more damage.

Sadly comparing a pit bull to nearly every other dog is an Apple to oranges comparison. It is not the apples to apples that advocates believe.

 

[modogg]

The last part is true that breed specific bans do not minimize dog bites. All breeds will bite. However, they do not state whether "traumatic" or "severe" dog bites decrease in number. They do. The evidence supports this but most animal groups simply focus on the macro (number of dog bites). They need to focus on the micro (severity of injury caused by the bite). There is a hell of a lot of difference between a typical large breed dog bite and a pit bull bite. (Pit bull is considered a medium breed) The pit bull bites are usually more severe.Most large breed dogs only bite the victim once. The intent is to stop the victim from doing something, make the victim go away, allow the dog time to get away, or accidentally while in a fight with another dog. A pit bull tends to bite and hold. And bite again and again if a hold cannot be achieved. Some will shake a victim causing more damage.

Sadly comparing a pit bull to nearly every other dog is an Apple to oranges comparison. It is not the apples to apples that advocates believe.

my wife can cover this much more than I cause she is in to all this kind of crap. one of the funny things about pit bull stats are how biased people can be and manipulate stats all over the place.

Sorry to digress, but my point to make was simply that i think the underlined statement isn't true. I am sure i can find as many articles that says it is the case that say the opposite which is a shame, but i thought there were 7-8 common breeds with more power in their bite. And weighing these is also a little misleading too, you should also factor in a dog's inclination to not bite full force and the tendencies the breed may have. There is a good reason why police do not use pit bulls and use German Shephards instead. i'm sure there are a few reasons, but one of the main one's is that pit bulls are less likely to fire off on a human than other breeds. it is also why they are common for dog fighting because they identify a human > dog relationship better than a lot of other breeds.

I know these are facts many will say are b.s. or whatever, and honestly i know there is nothing i can state in this thread to change the zealots with their witch hunting so i'm fine being lazy and not even referencing it here.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The last part is true that breed specific bans do not minimize dog bites. All breeds will bite. However, they do not state whether "traumatic" or "severe" dog bites decrease in number. They do. The evidence supports this but most animal groups simply focus on the macro (number of dog bites). They need to focus on the micro (severity of injury caused by the bite). There is a hell of a lot of difference between a typical large breed dog bite and a pit bull bite. (Pit bull is considered a medium breed) The pit bull bites are usually more severe.Most large breed dogs only bite the victim once. The intent is to stop the victim from doing something, make the victim go away, allow the dog time to get away, or accidentally while in a fight with another dog. A pit bull tends to bite and hold. And bite again and again if a hold cannot be achieved. Some will shake a victim causing more damage.

Sadly comparing a pit bull to nearly every other dog is an Apple to oranges comparison. It is not the apples to apples that advocates believe.

my wife can cover this much more than I cause she is in to all this kind of crap. one of the funny things about pit bull stats are how biased people can be and manipulate stats all over the place.

Sorry to digress, but my point to make was simply that i think the underlined statement isn't true. I am sure i can find as many articles that says it is the case that say the opposite which is a shame, but i thought there were 7-8 common breeds with more power in their bite. And weighing these is also a little misleading too, you should also factor in a dog's inclination to not bite full force and the tendencies the breed may have. There is a good reason why police do not use pit bulls and use German Shephards instead. i'm sure there are a few reasons, but one of the main one's is that pit bulls are less likely to fire off on a human than other breeds. it is also why they are common for dog fighting because they identify a human > dog relationship better than a lot of other breeds.

I know these are facts many will say are b.s. or whatever, and honestly i know there is nothing i can state in this thread to change the zealots with their witch hunting so i'm fine being lazy and not even referencing it here.

Manipulated stats.

 

[modogg]

The last part is true that breed specific bans do not minimize dog bites. All breeds will bite. However, they do not state whether "traumatic" or "severe" dog bites decrease in number. They do. The evidence supports this but most animal groups simply focus on the macro (number of dog bites). They need to focus on the micro (severity of injury caused by the bite). There is a hell of a lot of difference between a typical large breed dog bite and a pit bull bite. (Pit bull is considered a medium breed) The pit bull bites are usually more severe.Most large breed dogs only bite the victim once. The intent is to stop the victim from doing something, make the victim go away, allow the dog time to get away, or accidentally while in a fight with another dog. A pit bull tends to bite and hold. And bite again and again if a hold cannot be achieved. Some will shake a victim causing more damage.

Sadly comparing a pit bull to nearly every other dog is an Apple to oranges comparison. It is not the apples to apples that advocates believe.

my wife can cover this much more than I cause she is in to all this kind of crap. one of the funny things about pit bull stats are how biased people can be and manipulate stats all over the place.

Sorry to digress, but my point to make was simply that i think the underlined statement isn't true. I am sure i can find as many articles that says it is the case that say the opposite which is a shame, but i thought there were 7-8 common breeds with more power in their bite. And weighing these is also a little misleading too, you should also factor in a dog's inclination to not bite full force and the tendencies the breed may have. There is a good reason why police do not use pit bulls and use German Shephards instead. i'm sure there are a few reasons, but one of the main one's is that pit bulls are less likely to fire off on a human than other breeds. it is also why they are common for dog fighting because they identify a human > dog relationship better than a lot of other breeds.

I know these are facts many will say are b.s. or whatever, and honestly i know there is nothing i can state in this thread to change the zealots with their witch hunting so i'm fine being lazy and not even referencing it here.

Manipulated stats.

so some idiots are trying to sell fools on a product they created called a "break stick" and that is somehow clarifying the power of a dog's bite? You guys are really silly.

We should have our own research, and the goofballs in here can visit my house and i can get my pit and my rottweiler bite you, and you can report back here which bite is more powerful

 

[NutterButter]

pit bull doesn't know what to do when on camera

 

[stbugs]

The last part is true that breed specific bans do not minimize dog bites. All breeds will bite. However, they do not state whether "traumatic" or "severe" dog bites decrease in number. They do. The evidence supports this but most animal groups simply focus on the macro (number of dog bites). They need to focus on the micro (severity of injury caused by the bite). There is a hell of a lot of difference between a typical large breed dog bite and a pit bull bite. (Pit bull is considered a medium breed) The pit bull bites are usually more severe.Most large breed dogs only bite the victim once. The intent is to stop the victim from doing something, make the victim go away, allow the dog time to get away, or accidentally while in a fight with another dog. A pit bull tends to bite and hold. And bite again and again if a hold cannot be achieved. Some will shake a victim causing more damage.

Sadly comparing a pit bull to nearly every other dog is an Apple to oranges comparison. It is not the apples to apples that advocates believe.

my wife can cover this much more than I cause she is in to all this kind of crap. one of the funny things about pit bull stats are how biased people can be and manipulate stats all over the place.

Sorry to digress, but my point to make was simply that i think the underlined statement isn't true. I am sure i can find as many articles that says it is the case that say the opposite which is a shame, but i thought there were 7-8 common breeds with more power in their bite. And weighing these is also a little misleading too, you should also factor in a dog's inclination to not bite full force and the tendencies the breed may have. There is a good reason why police do not use pit bulls and use German Shephards instead. i'm sure there are a few reasons, but one of the main one's is that pit bulls are less likely to fire off on a human than other breeds. it is also why they are common for dog fighting because they identify a human > dog relationship better than a lot of other breeds.

I know these are facts many will say are b.s. or whatever, and honestly i know there is nothing i can state in this thread to change the zealots with their witch hunting so i'm fine being lazy and not even referencing it here.

I'd love to see the references. So, I guess they just tend to go after children more? I seem to recall quite a few videos where they went after adults as well. There are more than enough news stories, videos, articles and heck even personal stories in this thread showing that pit bulls seem to "fire off" on humans. I am pretty sure their usage in dog fighting has more to do with their aggressiveness and tendency to attack and attempt to kill than the fact that they identify human > dog relationship better than a lot of other breeds. Honestly, that last sentence just screams off the page as if written by a pit bull breeding web site trying to convince people that non pit bull owners are just biased.

 

[parasaurolophus]

The last part is true that breed specific bans do not minimize dog bites. All breeds will bite. However, they do not state whether "traumatic" or "severe" dog bites decrease in number. They do. The evidence supports this but most animal groups simply focus on the macro (number of dog bites). They need to focus on the micro (severity of injury caused by the bite). There is a hell of a lot of difference between a typical large breed dog bite and a pit bull bite. (Pit bull is considered a medium breed) The pit bull bites are usually more severe.Most large breed dogs only bite the victim once. The intent is to stop the victim from doing something, make the victim go away, allow the dog time to get away, or accidentally while in a fight with another dog. A pit bull tends to bite and hold. And bite again and again if a hold cannot be achieved. Some will shake a victim causing more damage.

Sadly comparing a pit bull to nearly every other dog is an Apple to oranges comparison. It is not the apples to apples that advocates believe.

my wife can cover this much more than I cause she is in to all this kind of crap. one of the funny things about pit bull stats are how biased people can be and manipulate stats all over the place.

Sorry to digress, but my point to make was simply that i think the underlined statement isn't true. I am sure i can find as many articles that says it is the case that say the opposite which is a shame, but i thought there were 7-8 common breeds with more power in their bite. And weighing these is also a little misleading too, you should also factor in a dog's inclination to not bite full force and the tendencies the breed may have. There is a good reason why police do not use pit bulls and use German Shephards instead. i'm sure there are a few reasons, but one of the main one's is that pit bulls are less likely to fire off on a human than other breeds. it is also why they are common for dog fighting because they identify a human > dog relationship better than a lot of other breeds.

I know these are facts many will say are b.s. or whatever, and honestly i know there is nothing i can state in this thread to change the zealots with their witch hunting so i'm fine being lazy and not even referencing it here.

Jesus christ already. Police use German Shepherds because they are regarded by the AKC as one of the smartest dogs around. They are also regarded by the AKC as one of the best senses of smell. Think those might be important?

 

[modogg]

pit bull doesn't know what to do when on camera

 

[stbugs]

pit bull doesn't know what to do when on camera

My pet goldfish loves to play with bright colored balls.

I always enjoyed playing with cuddly teddy bears.

I taught my lizard how to roll over.

 

[parasaurolophus]

The last part is true that breed specific bans do not minimize dog bites. All breeds will bite. However, they do not state whether "traumatic" or "severe" dog bites decrease in number. They do. The evidence supports this but most animal groups simply focus on the macro (number of dog bites). They need to focus on the micro (severity of injury caused by the bite). There is a hell of a lot of difference between a typical large breed dog bite and a pit bull bite. (Pit bull is considered a medium breed) The pit bull bites are usually more severe.Most large breed dogs only bite the victim once. The intent is to stop the victim from doing something, make the victim go away, allow the dog time to get away, or accidentally while in a fight with another dog. A pit bull tends to bite and hold. And bite again and again if a hold cannot be achieved. Some will shake a victim causing more damage.

Sadly comparing a pit bull to nearly every other dog is an Apple to oranges comparison. It is not the apples to apples that advocates believe.

my wife can cover this much more than I cause she is in to all this kind of crap. one of the funny things about pit bull stats are how biased people can be and manipulate stats all over the place.

Sorry to digress, but my point to make was simply that i think the underlined statement isn't true. I am sure i can find as many articles that says it is the case that say the opposite which is a shame, but i thought there were 7-8 common breeds with more power in their bite. And weighing these is also a little misleading too, you should also factor in a dog's inclination to not bite full force and the tendencies the breed may have. There is a good reason why police do not use pit bulls and use German Shephards instead. i'm sure there are a few reasons, but one of the main one's is that pit bulls are less likely to fire off on a human than other breeds. it is also why they are common for dog fighting because they identify a human > dog relationship better than a lot of other breeds.

I know these are facts many will say are b.s. or whatever, and honestly i know there is nothing i can state in this thread to change the zealots with their witch hunting so i'm fine being lazy and not even referencing it here.

Manipulated stats.

so some idiots are trying to sell fools on a product they created called a "break stick" and that is somehow clarifying the power of a dog's bite? You guys are really silly.

We should have our own research, and the goofballs in here can visit my house and i can get my pit and my rottweiler bite you, and you can report back here which bite is more powerful

Pit bull apologists love to point out how there are other dogs that are bigger and stronger. Its crazy how you still read about those dogs killing people less often.

The raw power isn't the issue. The issue is that pit bulls dont want to freaking let go. Not because of some "lock jaw". Not because they have the strongest bite. They like to latch on and not let go because that is what they were bred to do.

There is one breed that was bred to grab onto the snout of an enraged bull and not let go and makes the news on a regular basis for killing children.

 

[modogg]

The last part is true that breed specific bans do not minimize dog bites. All breeds will bite. However, they do not state whether "traumatic" or "severe" dog bites decrease in number. They do. The evidence supports this but most animal groups simply focus on the macro (number of dog bites). They need to focus on the micro (severity of injury caused by the bite). There is a hell of a lot of difference between a typical large breed dog bite and a pit bull bite. (Pit bull is considered a medium breed) The pit bull bites are usually more severe.Most large breed dogs only bite the victim once. The intent is to stop the victim from doing something, make the victim go away, allow the dog time to get away, or accidentally while in a fight with another dog. A pit bull tends to bite and hold. And bite again and again if a hold cannot be achieved. Some will shake a victim causing more damage.

Sadly comparing a pit bull to nearly every other dog is an Apple to oranges comparison. It is not the apples to apples that advocates believe.

my wife can cover this much more than I cause she is in to all this kind of crap. one of the funny things about pit bull stats are how biased people can be and manipulate stats all over the place.

Sorry to digress, but my point to make was simply that i think the underlined statement isn't true. I am sure i can find as many articles that says it is the case that say the opposite which is a shame, but i thought there were 7-8 common breeds with more power in their bite. And weighing these is also a little misleading too, you should also factor in a dog's inclination to not bite full force and the tendencies the breed may have. There is a good reason why police do not use pit bulls and use German Shephards instead. i'm sure there are a few reasons, but one of the main one's is that pit bulls are less likely to fire off on a human than other breeds. it is also why they are common for dog fighting because they identify a human > dog relationship better than a lot of other breeds.

I know these are facts many will say are b.s. or whatever, and honestly i know there is nothing i can state in this thread to change the zealots with their witch hunting so i'm fine being lazy and not even referencing it here.

Jesus christ already. Police use German Shepherds because they are regarded by the AKC as one of the smartest dogs around. They are also regarded by the AKC as one of the best senses of smell. Think those might be important?

AKC also thinks it is best to crop american Staffordshire Terriers should have their ears cropped (i.e. basically cut off half of each ear), and are advocates for clipping many breed's tales. Great reference and info. Certainly is a group that i would look toward for advice

 

[BigSteelThrill]

pit bull doesn't know what to do when on camera

My pet goldfish loves to play with bright colored balls.

I always enjoyed playing with cuddly teddy bears.

I taught my lizard how to roll over.

Perfect!

 

[cockroach]

Question for the pitbull owners:

Do you also own a firearm?

Why is that question only for the pit-bull owners?

I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?

 

[modogg]

Pit bull apologists love to point out how there are other dogs that are bigger and stronger. Its crazy how you still read about those dogs killing people less often.

The raw power isn't the issue. The issue is that pit bulls dont want to freaking let go. Not because of some "lock jaw". Not because they have the strongest bite. They like to latch on and not let go because that is what they were bred to do.

There is one breed that was bred to grab onto the snout of an enraged bull and not let go and makes the news on a regular basis for killing children.

well, thank you for this. i love when people think that a certain breed of dog has a special mechanism to lock their jaw. and i think what you bring up is legitimate, but really it is simple training. i can give my girl a lovely steak she wants more than anything. and as soon as i say "drop it" she drops it and sits waiting. She does love to play "tug-of-war" (which some trainers suggest is not a good idea because of some things you mention), but honestly if people weren't idiots and took time to train a dog correctly i don't think this is an issue.

 

[jabarony]

pit bull doesn't know what to do when on camera

My pet goldfish loves to play with bright colored balls.

I always enjoyed playing with cuddly teddy bears.

I taught my lizard how to roll over.

Perfect!

Part 2 banned from youtube.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

pit bull doesn't know what to do when on camera

My pet goldfish loves to play with bright colored balls.

I always enjoyed playing with cuddly teddy bears.

I taught my lizard how to roll over.

That video proves how sweet and gentle bears are, i want one.

 

[modogg]

Question for the pitbull owners:

Do you also own a firearm?

Why is that question only for the pit-bull owners?

I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?

i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.

well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too

 

[BigSteelThrill]

pit bull doesn't know what to do when on camera

My pet goldfish loves to play with bright colored balls.

I always enjoyed playing with cuddly teddy bears.

I taught my lizard how to roll over.

That video proves how sweet and gentle bears are, i want one.

They get a bad rap and rep... from stat manipulation.

 

[cockroach]

Question for the pitbull owners:

Do you also own a firearm?

Why is that question only for the pit-bull owners?

I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?

i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.

well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too

So that's a no for you?

so far here: 1 yes, 1 no.

 

[parasaurolophus]

The last part is true that breed specific bans do not minimize dog bites. All breeds will bite. However, they do not state whether "traumatic" or "severe" dog bites decrease in number. They do. The evidence supports this but most animal groups simply focus on the macro (number of dog bites). They need to focus on the micro (severity of injury caused by the bite). There is a hell of a lot of difference between a typical large breed dog bite and a pit bull bite. (Pit bull is considered a medium breed) The pit bull bites are usually more severe.Most large breed dogs only bite the victim once. The intent is to stop the victim from doing something, make the victim go away, allow the dog time to get away, or accidentally while in a fight with another dog. A pit bull tends to bite and hold. And bite again and again if a hold cannot be achieved. Some will shake a victim causing more damage.

Sadly comparing a pit bull to nearly every other dog is an Apple to oranges comparison. It is not the apples to apples that advocates believe.

my wife can cover this much more than I cause she is in to all this kind of crap. one of the funny things about pit bull stats are how biased people can be and manipulate stats all over the place.

Sorry to digress, but my point to make was simply that i think the underlined statement isn't true. I am sure i can find as many articles that says it is the case that say the opposite which is a shame, but i thought there were 7-8 common breeds with more power in their bite. And weighing these is also a little misleading too, you should also factor in a dog's inclination to not bite full force and the tendencies the breed may have. There is a good reason why police do not use pit bulls and use German Shephards instead. i'm sure there are a few reasons, but one of the main one's is that pit bulls are less likely to fire off on a human than other breeds. it is also why they are common for dog fighting because they identify a human > dog relationship better than a lot of other breeds.

I know these are facts many will say are b.s. or whatever, and honestly i know there is nothing i can state in this thread to change the zealots with their witch hunting so i'm fine being lazy and not even referencing it here.

Jesus christ already. Police use German Shepherds because they are regarded by the AKC as one of the smartest dogs around. They are also regarded by the AKC as one of the best senses of smell. Think those might be important?

AKC also thinks it is best to crop american Staffordshire Terriers should have their ears cropped (i.e. basically cut off half of each ear), and are advocates for clipping many breed's tales. Great reference and info. Certainly is a group that i would look toward for advice

Are you denying that german shepherds are among the smartest dogs on the planet? Are you denying that german shepherds have a great sense of smell?

Are you claiming you know more about dog traits than the AKC?

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Question for the pitbull owners:

Do you also own a firearm?

Why is that question only for the pit-bull owners?

I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?

i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.

well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too

You know full well how people judge pit-bull owners. If you just don't care fine, but from reading this it seems you do care how people view you as as "some dreg of society and lumped with idiots". You made the choice to be viewed like that, you had the option to get one of the other 100's of breeds that the general public is accepting of.

 

[modogg]

Jesus christ already. Police use German Shepherds because they are regarded by the AKC as one of the smartest dogs around. They are also regarded by the AKC as one of the best senses of smell. Think those might be important?

AKC also thinks it is best to crop american Staffordshire Terriers should have their ears cropped (i.e. basically cut off half of each ear), and are advocates for clipping many breed's tales. Great reference and info. Certainly is a group that i would look toward for advice

Are you denying that german shepherds are among the smartest dogs on the planet? Are you denying that german shepherds have a great sense of smell?

Are you claiming you know more about dog traits than the AKC?

no you silly goose. i do not know which dogs are "smartest", and really it is one of the dumbest traits because tell me how it is measured. many times obedient is confused for being smart. if we want to discuss the components of the canine brain, i am willing to go on a limb and suggest there is not much difference between breeds. Do German Sheppards and pit bulls both have a limbic system or hypothalamus? I don't f'n no, but i have seen plenty of things suggesting which breeds are "smartest" and i love the validity of their statements. It is people looking for affirmation for their pets.

So AKC may have more thoughts on dog traits, but are you REALLY going to try and argue that an organization that promotes mutiliation of dog ears, tail cropping, and (i believe) declawing, should be considered the top resource for what is best for an animal species? i'm not poo-pooing the AKC cause i don't know much, and don't care really. Simply stating that i do not agree they should be the main source to tell me which dogs i can have and which i can not.

Hell German Sheppards may have every measurable better than pit bulls, hooray for them! I still enjoy both dogs i have and am happy with them, and am very confident that they are not a threat to many of the fear-mongers in this thread

 

[modogg]

Question for the pitbull owners:

Do you also own a firearm?

Why is that question only for the pit-bull owners?

I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?

i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.

well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too

You know full well how people judge pit-bull owners. If you just don't care fine, but from reading this it seems you do care how people view you as as "some dreg of society and lumped with idiots". You made the choice to be viewed like that, you had the option to get one of the other 100's of breeds that the general public is accepting of.

well thanks for this. I will change what i do and how i act based on ignorant people and their opinions. Good idea, let me get a lab and poodle so all the fools in here can think my dogs are great and nice

 

[stbugs]

pit bull doesn't know what to do when on camera

My pet goldfish loves to play with bright colored balls.

I always enjoyed playing with cuddly teddy bears.

I taught my lizard how to roll over.

That video proves how sweet and gentle bears are, i want one.

They get a bad rap and rep... from stat manipulation.

Google the guy in the bear video for another treat.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Question for the pitbull owners:

Do you also own a firearm?

Why is that question only for the pit-bull owners?

I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?

i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.

well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too

You know full well how people judge pit-bull owners. If you just don't care fine, but from reading this it seems you do care how people view you as as "some dreg of society and lumped with idiots". You made the choice to be viewed like that, you had the option to get one of the other 100's of breeds that the general public is accepting of.

well thanks for this. I will change what i do and how i act based on ignorant people and their opinions. Good idea, let me get a lab and poodle so all the fools in here can think my dogs are great and nice

then don't contradict yourself saying how you're frustrated that people judge you because of your dog. You know damn well you're gonna be judged, no need to be frustrated as you know the exact reason why you're looked at that way.