BigSteelThrill
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Was he one of the "bad owners"... you know the ones that excuses the breed for being what it is.
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Yet another Pitt Bull attack (1 Viewer)
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modogg
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actually no. Sorry if i expect people to not see me walking my dogs and making a ton of assumptions because of the breed i have. Luckily i live in an area where people are not so cut off from reality or how things are. I take both of my dogs to dog parks from time to time, and i am pretty certain people do not automatically assume i have barbwire tattoos, guns, and everything else.then don't contradict yourself saying how you're frustrated that people judge you because of your dog. You know damn well you're gonna be judged, no need to be frustrated as you know the exact reason why you're looked at that way.well thanks for this. I will change what i do and how i act based on ignorant people and their opinions. Good idea, let me get a lab and poodle so all the fools in here can think my dogs are great and niceYou know full well how people judge pit-bull owners. If you just don't care fine, but from reading this it seems you do care how people view you as as "some dreg of society and lumped with idiots". You made the choice to be viewed like that, you had the option to get one of the other 100's of breeds that the general public is accepting of.i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?Chaka said:
well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too
ahh, F' it. you guys are all correct. Those of us who actually have experience owning a dog of a certain breed know nothing about it, and the internet really does know everything. Definitely has everything to do with the breed, and nothing to do with training or what you teach a dog. Good to know, taking my guys back to the pound now and getting the popular breeds so i don't have to worry about training them since they can not possibly be worse than a pit bull
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
You said a few posts up, "somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country."actually no. Sorry if i expect people to not see me walking my dogs and making a ton of assumptions because of the breed i have. Luckily i live in an area where people are not so cut off from reality or how things are.then don't contradict yourself saying how you're frustrated that people judge you because of your dog. You know damn well you're gonna be judged, no need to be frustrated as you know the exact reason why you're looked at that way.well thanks for this. I will change what i do and how i act based on ignorant people and their opinions. Good idea, let me get a lab and poodle so all the fools in here can think my dogs are great and niceYou know full well how people judge pit-bull owners. If you just don't care fine, but from reading this it seems you do care how people view you as as "some dreg of society and lumped with idiots". You made the choice to be viewed like that, you had the option to get one of the other 100's of breeds that the general public is accepting of.i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?Chaka said:
well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too
So right there you basically acknowledged you feel judged but then contradict yourself again in the above quoted post saying you expect people NOT to judge you and make assumptions about you due to your dogs.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
This is called small sample bias. You have it. I have 13 years experience and have access to all of the bites reported in my state. To get reported people have to call animal control or seek medical attention. Those that get reported vary in degree from requiring stitches to death, not really superficial. I have been to training provided by dog trainers, the SPCA, police officers, etc. That clearly makes me an uninformed, media influenced, dog-hating fear monger. Congratulations for exposing me for a fraud that merely wants to murder your precious pookie.actually no. Sorry if i expect people to not see me walking my dogs and making a ton of assumptions because of the breed i have. Luckily i live in an area where people are not so cut off from reality or how things are. I take both of my dogs to dog parks from time to time, and i am pretty certain people do not automatically assume i have barbwire tattoos, guns, and everything else. ahh, F' it. you guys are all correct. Those of us who actually have experience owning a dog of a certain breed know nothing about it, and the internet really does know everything. Definitely has everything to do with the breed, and nothing to do with training or what you teach a dog. Good to know, taking my guys back to the pound now and getting the popular breeds so i don't have to worry about training them since they can not possibly be worse than a pit bullthen don't contradict yourself saying how you're frustrated that people judge you because of your dog. You know damn well you're gonna be judged, no need to be frustrated as you know the exact reason why you're looked at that way.well thanks for this. I will change what i do and how i act based on ignorant people and their opinions. Good idea, let me get a lab and poodle so all the fools in here can think my dogs are great and niceYou know full well how people judge pit-bull owners. If you just don't care fine, but from reading this it seems you do care how people view you as as "some dreg of society and lumped with idiots". You made the choice to be viewed like that, you had the option to get one of the other 100's of breeds that the general public is accepting of.i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?Chaka said:
well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too
You already did that. Pits are the trendiest dogs there is. Sucks that the trend has been so ongoing.actually no. Sorry if i expect people to not see me walking my dogs and making a ton of assumptions because of the breed i have. Luckily i live in an area where people are not so cut off from reality or how things are. I take both of my dogs to dog parks from time to time, and i am pretty certain people do not automatically assume i have barbwire tattoos, guns, and everything else.then don't contradict yourself saying how you're frustrated that people judge you because of your dog. You know damn well you're gonna be judged, no need to be frustrated as you know the exact reason why you're looked at that way.well thanks for this. I will change what i do and how i act based on ignorant people and their opinions. Good idea, let me get a lab and poodle so all the fools in here can think my dogs are great and niceYou know full well how people judge pit-bull owners. If you just don't care fine, but from reading this it seems you do care how people view you as as "some dreg of society and lumped with idiots". You made the choice to be viewed like that, you had the option to get one of the other 100's of breeds that the general public is accepting of.i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?Chaka said:
well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too
ahh, F' it. you guys are all correct. Those of us who actually have experience owning a dog of a certain breed know nothing about it, and the internet really does know everything. Definitely has everything to do with the breed, and nothing to do with training or what you teach a dog. Good to know, taking my guys back to the pound now and getting the popular breeds so i don't have to worry about training them since they can not possibly be worse than a pit bull
Definitely the most popular dogs in every trailer park so he has that going for him. I'm sure when he's out walking them in the local park every little old lady walking her poodle or family with children come up and cuddle up to the adorable pooches.You already did that. Pits are the trendiest dogs there is. Sucks that the trend has been so ongoing.actually no. Sorry if i expect people to not see me walking my dogs and making a ton of assumptions because of the breed i have. Luckily i live in an area where people are not so cut off from reality or how things are. I take both of my dogs to dog parks from time to time, and i am pretty certain people do not automatically assume i have barbwire tattoos, guns, and everything else.then don't contradict yourself saying how you're frustrated that people judge you because of your dog. You know damn well you're gonna be judged, no need to be frustrated as you know the exact reason why you're looked at that way.well thanks for this. I will change what i do and how i act based on ignorant people and their opinions. Good idea, let me get a lab and poodle so all the fools in here can think my dogs are great and niceYou know full well how people judge pit-bull owners. If you just don't care fine, but from reading this it seems you do care how people view you as as "some dreg of society and lumped with idiots". You made the choice to be viewed like that, you had the option to get one of the other 100's of breeds that the general public is accepting of.i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?Chaka said:
well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too
ahh, F' it. you guys are all correct. Those of us who actually have experience owning a dog of a certain breed know nothing about it, and the internet really does know everything. Definitely has everything to do with the breed, and nothing to do with training or what you teach a dog. Good to know, taking my guys back to the pound now and getting the popular breeds so i don't have to worry about training them since they can not possibly be worse than a pit bull
Chaka
Footballguy
Offensive? Not at all. I just think that the overlap between gun ownership and non-pit owners is also interesting to consider.I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?Chaka said:
Chaka
Footballguy
modogg are you intentionally ignoring that pit-bulls do more damage than most other breeds when they attack? And that because of their high ownership rates that they present a greater threat to inflict damage than the other breeds which can do similar damage?
While I appreciate that you seem to be a very responsible pit-bull owner, I really do, you are exhibiting the exact evasive, apologetic behavior that I have been talking about in this thread. And you are really not helping by suggesting that there is not, and should not be, a greater concern about pit-bulls than most every other breed and certainly more than any other breed with such high ownership rates.
While I appreciate that you seem to be a very responsible pit-bull owner, I really do, you are exhibiting the exact evasive, apologetic behavior that I have been talking about in this thread. And you are really not helping by suggesting that there is not, and should not be, a greater concern about pit-bulls than most every other breed and certainly more than any other breed with such high ownership rates.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
thank you for your response CDH. i know we are on different sides of the fence on this but i appreciate your input without the other stuff put in there.some things i found interesting, and again this is from information that is probably on my side of the fence rather than yours, so maybe things are skewed?(what's the saying, there's 3 sides to every story, your side, my side and the truth)i didn't paste everything, but the link is there at the end.what i get from some of the article is some of what you stated about maybe bites not going down but the severity of bites are. however with a few of these countries/states the severity is NOT going down at all.The NetherlandsIn June 2008, the Dutch government announced the repeal of their 15-year-long ban on pit bulls due to its failure to ensure public safety. Dog bites continued to rise in spite of the ban. The government is now looking into behavior-based, rather than breed-based, legislation.The United KingdomThe United Kingdom’s Dangerous Dog Act bans the American Pit Bull Terrier and three other breeds of dogs and their crossbreeds. Yet reports from the U.K. indicate that dog bites requiring hospital treatment have not decreased. The U.K. also continues to experience approximately four dog bite fatalities per year.The media and many others have noted a sharp increase in the number of “status dogs” being obtained and ultimately abused. A Dogs Trust press release from 2012 noted that numbers of stray “status dogs” had increased by 148% from the previous year. One contributor to a 2011 roundtable debate on the DDA observed: “Banning breeds inevitably makes them more desirable for the wrong kind of person. Pit bulls and Staffie crosses are now so common that people are inevitably moving on to the next thing – molosos, presca canarios. We can’t add every dog to a banned list. We need to look at why people are getting these dogs.” The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has repeatedly observed that the Dangerous Dog Act does not address the ownership and management issues that lead to the creation of dangerous dogs.Following a fatal attack in early 2013, a select group of MP’s formed a committee to review the Dangerous Dogs Act and the changes officials proposed in response to this incident. The ultimate outcome of this committee is a report that concludes the banning of certain breeds in the UK is accepted as a failure in reducing bites by both targeted dogs and all others.The U.K. has been struggling for at least half a decade to decide how to handle their continued problems with dangerous dogs. Most officials and organizations agree that the DDA is not protecting the public, but very few agree on exactly what should be done about it. In February 2011, Scotland officials took matters into their own hands by revising their laws to remove BSL (but unfortunately, as part of the U.K., Scotland cannot get out from under the DDA).Prince George’s County, MDIn 1996, Prince George’s County, Maryland, instituted a pit bull ban. In 2003, a task force set out to determine whether the ban was having the desired effect in a number of areas, including public safety.The task force found thatThe “public safety benefit is unmeasurable.”Across the board, dog bites had decreased among all breeds at about the same rate. The ban did not appear to have had any noticeable effect on public safety.What’s more, the task force expressed concern that the ban might actually be having a negative effect on public safety; animal control facilities and workers were stretched thin because they were constantly having to respond to “pit bull” complaints and house alleged pit bulls. The task force felt that this had a negative effect on animal control’s ability to respond to other types of violations.The task force urged Prince George’s County to rescind the ban and institute non-breed-specific dangerous dog laws.Denver, CODenver’s ban on “pit bulls” has been in place since 1989, and has long been touted as a success by a handful of Denver officials, but it turns out that the results of the ban have been unclear.Since the ban, there has been…no fatal attack by a pit bull, but fatal attack by a chow mix.fewer bites by pit bulls, but bites by all types of dogs have declined.fewer pit bull-related complaints, but Pit bull population is not believed to have decreased in Denver.Thousands of “pit bull”-looking dogs have been killed by animal control for no reason other than appearance.Bites by other types of dogs now exceed the number of bites by pit bull types.Recent press coverage has also noted: “Between 1995 and 2006, Denver had almost six times as many dog-related hospitalizations compared to Boulder, even though Denver’s population is less than twice that of Boulder.” Boulder does not have BSL.Aurora, COAurora passed a breed ban on “pit bulls” and seven rarer breeds (e.g. Dogo Argentinos) effective 2006. The most recent statistics from Aurora demonstrate that the annual total of dog bites, including severe dog bites, has not decreased. The bites are primarily inflicted by non-banned breeds and types of dogs. Statistics also indicate that severe bites have not decreased, and non-banned breeds of dogs have been overwhelmingly responsible for those—putting lie to the oft-repeated claim that banning “pit bulls” reduces severe bites.http://stopbsl.org/bsloverview/the-failure-to-improve-safety/my overall take still is the following:we are humans, and sometimes we SUCK.how long have pit bull terriers been around? late 1800's?how long have they been capable of inflicting the kind of damage that has been displayed? i would say probably late 1800's?when do we start seeing this capability pop up? starting to come in in 1980's?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Stateswhy all of a sudden? why no out cry for going on 2 centuries about these terrible creatures? what happened? we are humans, and sometimes we SUCK.i believe the cat is out of the bag. people know what they can create now when they focus on doing bad. i know there may not be many breeds out there capable of the tenacity but i believe there are a good handful that are coming up the ranks, not to even mention the cross-breeds.i see more presa/corso type dogs my way and reading some incidents it appears they have capable tenacity from reading the attack reports.bottom line for me....we are humans, and sometimes we SUCK. i have to believe there is always something going to be in the works. will it happen overnight? probably not, but i don't think it will take anywhere near 2 centuries to destroy something like it did with the pit bull.
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modogg
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So the resolution here is placing blame/fault with responsible pit bull owners for your blatant ignorance of ALL individuals who care for a pit bull and the breed. Well, I guess approaching life is easier that way so more power to you, and good luck to the individuals in your life that you may have differing opinions from.You said a few posts up, "somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country."actually no. Sorry if i expect people to not see me walking my dogs and making a ton of assumptions because of the breed i have. Luckily i live in an area where people are not so cut off from reality or how things are.then don't contradict yourself saying how you're frustrated that people judge you because of your dog. You know damn well you're gonna be judged, no need to be frustrated as you know the exact reason why you're looked at that way.well thanks for this. I will change what i do and how i act based on ignorant people and their opinions. Good idea, let me get a lab and poodle so all the fools in here can think my dogs are great and niceYou know full well how people judge pit-bull owners. If you just don't care fine, but from reading this it seems you do care how people view you as as "some dreg of society and lumped with idiots". You made the choice to be viewed like that, you had the option to get one of the other 100's of breeds that the general public is accepting of.i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?Chaka said:
well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too
So right there you basically acknowledged you feel judged but then contradict yourself again in the above quoted post saying you expect people NOT to judge you and make assumptions about you due to your dogs.
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modogg
Footballguy
well, sorry if what I wrote came off that way, and it wasn't my intention. I am sure I mentioned it in this abyss of a thread before, but without a doubt you have more overall knowledge of dog bites than I do for the general population. And i'll agree that maybe I am in the minority of being a responsible pit bull owner, and there are far more irresponsible one's out there. But I am not sure that because my dog has a similar heritage to some of these other one's that we should all be lumped together.
which actually had me thinking that the funniest part of all of this is that I actually have no real proof that my dog is a pit bull terrier. I got her from the shelter, and if I had to really think and label her I am sure she is a mixed breed. She is larger than most traditional American Staffordshire Terrier's, so maybe all of my contributions to this thread have been off anyway since I am pretty confident that my dog is not a pure pit
ETA: I did want to add, and I will get into one of the many pissing contests already in this thread about this one, but please never refer to my dog as "precious pookie". You must be confusing her with another dog, because she has never been referred to that way
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IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Just in case you wanted to know for sure.
http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=dog+dna+test+kit&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=32871072149&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15331753480522006075&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_42xldmfvsh_b
modogg
Footballguy
hah, we almost did get one of those years ago. Funny things about that is a lot of those DNA tests do not test for pit bull, either because there isn't really a breed known as pit bulls, or they didn't want to encourage pit bull breeding.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
I give up, you're missing the point. maybe i'm not explaining it well.So the resolution here is placing blame/fault with responsible pit bull owners for your blatant ignorance of ALL individuals who care for a pit bull and the breed. Well, I guess approaching life is easier that way so more power to you, and good luck to the individuals in your life that you may have differing opinions from.You said a few posts up, "somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country."actually no. Sorry if i expect people to not see me walking my dogs and making a ton of assumptions because of the breed i have. Luckily i live in an area where people are not so cut off from reality or how things are.then don't contradict yourself saying how you're frustrated that people judge you because of your dog. You know damn well you're gonna be judged, no need to be frustrated as you know the exact reason why you're looked at that way.well thanks for this. I will change what i do and how i act based on ignorant people and their opinions. Good idea, let me get a lab and poodle so all the fools in here can think my dogs are great and niceYou know full well how people judge pit-bull owners. If you just don't care fine, but from reading this it seems you do care how people view you as as "some dreg of society and lumped with idiots". You made the choice to be viewed like that, you had the option to get one of the other 100's of breeds that the general public is accepting of.i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?
well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too
So right there you basically acknowledged you feel judged but then contradict yourself again in the above quoted post saying you expect people NOT to judge you and make assumptions about you due to your dogs.
It doesn't matter what you or I think individually, it's just a fact that most people are scared of pit bulls and view their owners as scummy. You know that, just own it. You don't care if people are scared of you and your dogs, otherwise you would have gotten one of the other 100's of breeds most people are accepting of.
You knowingly made a choice to get a dog that most of the general public is going to be afraid of. You can scream all you want about how everyone else is wrong but people are still going to be scared of your dogs and you're gonna be looked at as a lowlife.
LOL at the so-called data suggesting pitt bull bans have little to no effect on public safety. Somewhere in those cities/countries that banned these beasts is a mother/daughter/sister/father (you get the point) who would otherwise be dead. That is not conjecture, that is a fact. The only question is how many lives it has saved.
Even if it were one ( which it isn't, it's far more) it would be well worth the sacrifice for the few that are hell bent on owning them.
Even if it were one ( which it isn't, it's far more) it would be well worth the sacrifice for the few that are hell bent on owning them.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
i agree, alot of people are afraid of pit bulls. some have a right to be, and i understand their stance. i really do. a bad pit bull is a force. however, i have through the years changed quite a few peoples perspective of the breed through them being around me and spending time with my satanic killers. even something as quick as a walk on a town bike path talking to people for a few minutes and letting them see my dogs, i found people breathing a little sigh of relief and even patting the foul beasts. i realize that an internet message board is probably not going to change anyones view point and i'll be viewed here as an irresponsible, uncaring, low self esteem, small penis having jerk. that saddens me a little, but like you said, it is what it is.
dirtyjay
Footballguy
Did you just call a pitbull owners scummy then proceed to tell him to own what the ignorant people who think that way say?I give up, you're missing the point. maybe i'm not explaining it well.So the resolution here is placing blame/fault with responsible pit bull owners for your blatant ignorance of ALL individuals who care for a pit bull and the breed. Well, I guess approaching life is easier that way so more power to you, and good luck to the individuals in your life that you may have differing opinions from.You said a few posts up, "somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country."actually no. Sorry if i expect people to not see me walking my dogs and making a ton of assumptions because of the breed i have. Luckily i live in an area where people are not so cut off from reality or how things are.then don't contradict yourself saying how you're frustrated that people judge you because of your dog. You know damn well you're gonna be judged, no need to be frustrated as you know the exact reason why you're looked at that way.well thanks for this. I will change what i do and how i act based on ignorant people and their opinions. Good idea, let me get a lab and poodle so all the fools in here can think my dogs are great and niceYou know full well how people judge pit-bull owners. If you just don't care fine, but from reading this it seems you do care how people view you as as "some dreg of society and lumped with idiots". You made the choice to be viewed like that, you had the option to get one of the other 100's of breeds that the general public is accepting of.i honestly don't think there is any overlap. and it is frustrating that a bunch of dummies want to own pit's because of their reputation, and also want to own guns, and somehow because my dog is a certain breed i am seen as some dreg of society and lumped with idiots across the country.I was having a conversation with the guy I get my weed from and it had me wondering what the overlap was there. Is that question offensive somehow?
well, for the rest of you wonderful dog owners, ####ty people get other breeds too
So right there you basically acknowledged you feel judged but then contradict yourself again in the above quoted post saying you expect people NOT to judge you and make assumptions about you due to your dogs.
It doesn't matter what you or I think individually, it's just a fact that most people are scared of pit bulls and view their owners as scummy. You know that, just own it. You don't care if people are scared of you and your dogs, otherwise you would have gotten one of the other 100's of breeds most people are accepting of.
You knowingly made a choice to get a dog that most of the general public is going to be afraid of. You can scream all you want about how everyone else is wrong but people are still going to be scared of your dogs and you're gonna be looked at as a lowlife.
This is such a pathetic opinion and point of view.
At least looking educated is not on your agenda today.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
well, i guess a ban is only effective if it actually eliminates the kritters it is going to ban.
drunk driving is banned and yet thousands of people lose their lives every year.
the denver information said that there had not appeared to been a drastic change in the pit bull population.
if you have millions of dogs, it's much like donald trump saying, well, we will just go door to door and get the illegals out of the country. good luck with that. you still are going to have plenty of underground people doing what they have to do.
dirtyjay
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Good lord, I didn't call pit bull owners anything, was just saying that is how they are going to be viewed by most. It's just a fact, most people view pit owners as scummy and are afraid of their dogs. It's irrelevant whether it's right or wrong, that's just how it is. To act oblivious to that makes no sense.
BustedKnuckles
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
yeah its unfortunate.poor dogs ...they dont deserve to be locked upWTF?!?!!?
A 22-year-old mother killed herself by climbing into a yard where she knew two dangerous dogs resided, authorities told BuzzFeed News.Rebecca Hardy, of Port Huron, Michigan, died last week after she was mauled to death by the animals, the Port Huron Police Department said in a statement.According to police, Hardy allegedly climbed into the backyard of a home where the two dogs were. One dog was a pitbull, and the other was a pitbull-husky mix.
The pitbull attacked Hardy in the face and neck, while the other dog attacked her on “the lower part of her body,” police said.
A witness saw the attack and tried to help but couldn’t, police said. The witness went inside the home and grabbed the dogs’ owner, who was able to free Hardy.
She was taken to a hospital, where she died from her injuries.
After an investigation, the Oakland County Medical Examiner’s office said it determined that Hardy’s death was a suicide.
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Dr. Ljubisa J. Dragovic, the county’s chief medical examiner, told BuzzFeed News that his office determined the death was a suicide because Hardy went into the yard on her own accord knowing of the danger.“She subjected herself to the situation of mauling by the dogs,” he said.
Dragovic said that his office learned that Hardy had gotten into an argument at her home, and had left the house barefoot.
She then traveled about a mile to where she knew the dogs were, knowing they were aggressive, Dragovic said.
“The fact is that she made a purposeful act by climbing the fence,” he said.
Dragovic said that Hardy had also attempted suicide in the past.
But Matt Grattan, Hardy’s fiance, told the Times-Heraldhe doesn’t believe that his fiancee would have killed herself.
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He told the newspaper he didn’t think Hardy would leave him or her 1-year-old daughter.“I, in no way, shape or form, believe that she was looking to hurt herself on that day,” he said. “She had a little girl…She wanted us to be a family.”
A fundraising page set up for Hardy’s daughter described her as a happy person who loved her daughter and fiance “dearly.”
“She was full of life and she loved her daughter with everything. She would brighten up the room when she walked in,” the page reads.
The Port Huron Police Department said the investigation into Hardy’s death is ongoing, and officers have yet to decide if there will be any charges in the case. The dogs are in the custody of animal control.
also, (if/allegedly) how the girl knew she had a ready made suicide machine in that backyard.
modogg
Footballguy
[SIZE=8.5pt]I am going to guess you have never got a dog from a rescue or shelter? Wife (fiancé at the time) and I wanted to get a dog. Hopped on petfinder and found 5+ dogs we liked at the local shelter. Shelters around us usually have 200+ dogs, so we went down to get a dog. We met a few, discussed with the Behavior Analyst on staff some of the tendencies they met with the dog, and found the dog we wanted. Funny thing was she was labeled as a “boxer-mix” and we found out later that the shelter needs to “embellish” the breed of dog because of the misconceptions of the breed. I’ll trust a qualified BA over the type of breed any day. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=8.5pt]So no, when I got my dog the thought of what other people would think of us never really entered my mind. And honestly, I would find it weird to get a dog and to think “Man, I really wonder what people are going to think of me with this dog?” Is that naïve on my part like you seem to suggest, maybe. But if I functioned in life wondering what others will think of me I would think I would be pretty miserable. My ride is really due to die on me soon, and for the life of me I can’t imagine going vehicle shopping and thinking “Well I want to get a jeep, but oh man people will think I like the shore (or whatever the hell people think of when they see someone drive a jeep)? I guess I should get a big oversized SUV so I can bully smaller cars on the road, or maybe I should just get a Honda Accord and melt in with everyone else.”[/SIZE]
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dschuler
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't have the stats but I would be willing to bet that Jeeps hurt and kill more people than pit bulls every year.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
What about pit bulls named Jeeps?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I remember reading that story about the kid who went into the garage to get something out of the freezer and the jeep ran him over and backed over him again and again. It was an abused jeep though and had a bad owner so its cool with me.
cstu
Footballguy
“The pit bull owner says "Oh uh-uh, wait a minute! Wait a minute! Just because I own a pit bull does not make me ghetto!" Which is true, Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they own a certain breed doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't even forget it. But pit bull owners, you must understand that is ####### confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me saying, "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!" "Oh-hoh! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer!" See what I mean? All right, pit bull owners, fine. You are not ghetto. But you own the ghetto's dog.”
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Your analogies are ####### bonkers
steelerfan1
Footballguy
Promise on Jesus this is not me being a wise guy. How do you feel about the alcohol analogy being used?Cold Dead Hands said:
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Here`s an analogy to try on.....gun owners ...responsible vs irresponsible
Same concept with pit bulls
Same concept with pit bulls
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
no but the people that own them do
i have friends who own and breed pit bull show dogs ...they never fight or attack ...anything...ever...they just win ribbons
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
no matter what i say about pits that are like the ones i`m talking about it wont matter...so with that reasoning all blacks are thugs ...no matter what
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I very much dislike this analogy for one very big reason. In order to properly keep kids safe with guns they need to be locked up tight. This is one area I agree with pit owners. Constantly putting your pit bull on lockdown is a recipe for disaster. It becomes a catch 22 though. Constantly having them interact with kids is a recipe for disaster. You simply just can't be responsible enough.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
i totally disagree with this
again it comes down to how you raise or train your dog
im not saying pit bulls arent dangerous ,that would be stupid
but guns are just as dangerous if not more dangerous, in the wrong hands
steelerfan1
Footballguy
Alcohol, guns and pit bulls....shouldn't your stance be the same for all 3?
Also sounds like a good name for a TV show...
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Seems like you are hedging here.BustedKnuckles said:
Are you saying that pit bulls that have good owners are perfectly safe around kids or not?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
http://good.barkpost.com/vicktory-dogs/
These Were Michael Vick’s Fighting Dogs. Where They Are Now is Beautiful.
These Were Michael Vick’s Fighting Dogs. Where They Are Now is Beautiful.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I won't go down the inevitable road this is going down where I post examples and then you of course argue they weren't good owners or that the owners before them caused the damage. I will simply say I think good ownership can mitigate most of the damage these animals are capable of, but I completely disagree that you can take out of them completely what was implanted in them.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
hey it was worth a shot haha
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
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