You know who else has a rapey past? (1 Viewer)

[IvanKaramazov]

Also, just to be clear, this isn't just an issue of modern vs. 1990s standards of sexual harassment. This is really just an issue of common sense. "I'm the President of the United States and you're a barely legal intern, but no this isn't predatory at all" isn't a very compelling story.

 

[squistion]

A lot of these accusers were financed by those who had an agenda with taking down the Clintons. It was all smoke and no fire with the exception of the blue dress and Monica has never said she was a victim or was sexually harassed and has always been adamant that the affair was completely consensual.

Yes, I understand that. In the one he-said-she-said instance out of all the Clinton affairs, the one with irrefutable proof shows that the Clintons were the ones who were lying. And by the standards of the time and certainly by today's standards, this was clear-cut sexual harassment due to the power differential.

No. Bill was lying. Hillary initially gave him the benefit of the doubt as many wives will do until he was caught in his lies about Lewinsky, I don't think she was lying about that in her early defense of him and the American public for the most part did also (Hillary approval ratings during that period were among the highest they have ever been).

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

The fact of the matter is Hillary is on record that woman who make accusations deserve the right to be believed yet she actively worked to discredit women who accused her husband. That is why her word rings hollow on anything she might say regarding woman's rights.

Yes and she also on record for saying the following (which those of your ilk never mention):

Jake Tapper ✔ @jaketapper

.@HillaryClinton response: "Well, I would say that everyone should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence"

The evidence wasn't there, which was why these allegations went nowhere, these women were disbelieved by those in the legal system.

Well, Lewinsky was obviously true and Bill paid almost a million dollars to settle another lawsuit but regardless of the validity of their claims there is plenty to support the opinion that Hillary went into attack mode immediately with no thought of evidence.

 

[squistion]

Also, just to be clear, this isn't just an issue of modern vs. 1990s standards of sexual harassment. This is really just an issue of common sense. "I'm the President of the United States and you're a barely legal intern, but no this isn't predatory at all" isn't a very compelling story.

I don't approve of Clinton's actions as president re Lewinsky and didn't at the time. I think it was an abuse of a position of power - and Bill has more or less said that too, I saw an interview with him where he said (paraphrasing) that it wasn't so much that what he did that was wrong (which was bad enough) but that he knew he could do it (he knew he could get away with it) - "I did it because I could."

And I have never forgiven him for pointing his finger in that interview and saying "I never had sexual relations with that woman."

But Hillary is not Bill Clinton and I don't hold her responsible for his transgressions. I will be voting for Hillary, not a third term of Bill.

 

[timschochet]

The fact of the matter is Hillary is on record that woman who make accusations deserve the right to be believed yet she actively worked to discredit women who accused her husband. That is why her word rings hollow on anything she might say regarding woman's rights.

Yes and she also on record for saying the following (which those of your ilk never mention):

Jake Tapper ✔ @jaketapper

.@HillaryClinton response: "Well, I would say that everyone should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence"

The evidence wasn't there, which was why these allegations went nowhere, these women were disbelieved by those in the legal system.

Well, Lewinsky was obviously true and Bill paid almost a million dollars to settle another lawsuit but regardless of the validity of their claims there is plenty to support the opinion that Hillary went into attack mode immediately with no thought of evidence.

She had plenty of evidence.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Hillary said the following on the Today Show right after the Monica Lewinsky story broke:

“I think we’re going to find some other things. And I think that when all of this is put into context, and we really look at the people involved here, look at their motivations and look at their backgrounds, look at their past behavior, some folks are going to have a lot to answer for.”

I believe it was less than two weeks later when Stephanopoulos went on TV and telegraphed their Ellen Rometsch strategy that Hillary advocated for and the Clinton machine employed which lead to Bob Livingston stepping down and the Senate backing off.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Someone like Clinton is a target. I did read some pretty stark info on who he flys around the world on planes with and the types of passengers likely on board. Orgies in the air if you believe reports.

Anyone thinking Cosby will be the only celebrity that will be defending accusations is nuts. I also think Cosby is beyond guilty and will not defend him despite wonderful child memories and a long lasting respect for his stand up comedy in the 60s-80s.

Clinton gets a pass, he shouldn't but the thing is women line up to meet him. I hate to say it but there are plenty of women who would trade places with the ones making accusations.

I expect Trump at some point to pull it out into the middle of the room but he himself has some skeletons.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The fact of the matter is Hillary is on record that woman who make accusations deserve the right to be believed yet she actively worked to discredit women who accused her husband. That is why her word rings hollow on anything she might say regarding woman's rights.

Yes and she also on record for saying the following (which those of your ilk never mention):

Jake Tapper ✔ @jaketapper

.@HillaryClinton response: "Well, I would say that everyone should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence"

The evidence wasn't there, which was why these allegations went nowhere, these women were disbelieved by those in the legal system.

Well, Lewinsky was obviously true and Bill paid almost a million dollars to settle another lawsuit but regardless of the validity of their claims there is plenty to support the opinion that Hillary went into attack mode immediately with no thought of evidence.

She had plenty of evidence.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hillary said the following on the Today Show right after the Monica Lewinsky story broke:

“I think we’re going to find some other things. And I think that when all of this is put into context, and we really look at the people involved here, look at their motivations and look at their backgrounds, look at their past behavior, some folks are going to have a lot to answer for.”

I believe it was less than two weeks later when Stephanopoulos went on TV and telegraphed their Ellen Rometsch strategy that Hillary advocated for and the Clinton machine employed which lead to Bob Livingston stepping down and the Senate backing off.

Wife worked for Pepperdine where guess who is the professor and dean for their Law School? That's right, Kenneth Star!!!

Got to meet him at a few functions, not of high opinion although he is highly intelligent obviously. It wasn't hard to connect the dots as to why he wanted to go after Clinton, much of it revolving around his strong Christian moral based thinking.

 

[Sinn Fein]

A lot of these accusers were financed by those who had an agenda with taking down the Clintons. It was all smoke and no fire with the exception of the blue dress and Monica has never said she was a victim or was sexually harassed and has always been adamant that the affair was completely consensual.

Yes, I understand that. In the one he-said-she-said instance out of all the Clinton affairs, the one with irrefutable proof shows that the Clintons were the ones who were lying. And by the standards of the time and certainly by today's standards, this was clear-cut sexual harassment due to the power differential.

No. Bill was lying. Hillary initially gave him the benefit of the doubt as many wives will do until he was caught in his lies about Lewinsky, I don't think she was lying about that in her early defense of him and the American public for the most part did also (Hillary approval ratings during that period were among the highest they have ever been).

Stop - you sound like you have battered-wife's syndrome when it comes to Clinton.

You'll defend her in the face of overwhelming evidence that she is not who you think she is - you are convinced if you just love her a little more, she come around, and this time will be different...

 

[AnonymousBob]

I agree with MoP. As long as there are some women who would be willing to sleep with the person, any alleged attackers should get a pass on committing sexual assault.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I agree with MoP. As long as there are some women who would be willing to sleep with the person, any alleged attackers should get a pass on committing sexual assault.

I don't think I said that exactly but much like Trump you can say MOP "anything" and usually my poll numbers jump.

 

[timschochet]

Hillary said the following on the Today Show right after the Monica Lewinsky story broke:

“I think we’re going to find some other things. And I think that when all of this is put into context, and we really look at the people involved here, look at their motivations and look at their backgrounds, look at their past behavior, some folks are going to have a lot to answer for.”

I believe it was less than two weeks later when Stephanopoulos went on TV and telegraphed their Ellen Rometsch strategy that Hillary advocated for and the Clinton machine employed which lead to Bob Livingston stepping down and the Senate backing off.

Wife worked for Pepperdine where guess who is the professor and dean for their Law School? That's right, Kenneth Star!!!

Got to meet him at a few functions, not of high opinion although he is highly intelligent obviously. It wasn't hard to connect the dots as to why he wanted to go after Clinton, much of it revolving around his strong Christian moral based thinking.

And do you know why Starr works for Pepperdine? Because the main benefactor of that university is Richard Mellon Scaife, the guy who funded the Clinton Chronicles, all the of the Whitewater investigations, and the Paula Jones lawsuit.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hillary said the following on the Today Show right after the Monica Lewinsky story broke:

“I think we’re going to find some other things. And I think that when all of this is put into context, and we really look at the people involved here, look at their motivations and look at their backgrounds, look at their past behavior, some folks are going to have a lot to answer for.”

I believe it was less than two weeks later when Stephanopoulos went on TV and telegraphed their Ellen Rometsch strategy that Hillary advocated for and the Clinton machine employed which lead to Bob Livingston stepping down and the Senate backing off.

Wife worked for Pepperdine where guess who is the professor and dean for their Law School? That's right, Kenneth Star!!!

Got to meet him at a few functions, not of high opinion although he is highly intelligent obviously. It wasn't hard to connect the dots as to why he wanted to go after Clinton, much of it revolving around his strong Christian moral based thinking.

And do you know why Starr works for Pepperdine? Because the main benefactor of that university is Richard Mellon Scaife, the guy who funded the Clinton Chronicles, all the of the Whitewater investigations, and the Paula Jones lawsuit.

I did know that and I appreciate you adding clarity for everyone. All of what you are saying is true.

 

[TheAristocrat]

The Bill Clinton scandal machine revs back up and takes aim at his wife

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-bill-clinton-scandal-machine-revs-up-and-takes-aim-at-his-wife/2016/01/06/a08cf550-b4be-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html

The ghosts of the 1990s have returned to confront Hillary Clinton, released from the vault by Donald Trump and revved up by a 21st-century version of the scandal machine that almost destroyed her husband’s presidency.

This is a moment that her campaign has long expected. What remains to be seen is whether a reminder of allegations of sexual impropriety against Bill Clinton — which were deemed to have varying levels of credibility when they were first aired — can gain new traction in a different context.

The fresher case being made is that Hillary Clinton has been, at a minimum, hypocritical about her husband’s treatment of women, and possibly even complicit in discrediting his accusers.

And it is being pressed at a time when there is a new sensitivity toward victims of unwanted sexual contact, and when one of the biggest news stories is the prosecution of once-beloved comedian Bill Cosby on charges that he drugged and assaulted a woman 12 years ago — one of dozens who have accused him of similar behavior.

In November, Hillary Clinton tweeted: “Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed, and supported.” She has made women’s issues a central focus of her campaign and is counting on a swell of support for the historic prospect of the first female president.

Clinton’s campaign appears confident that Americans will see all of this as old news, and that her husband will remain an asset to her efforts to get his old job. It is happening early in the campaign season, and Trump himself has come under heavy criticism for his many boorish comments about women.

Trump started hammering on Bill Clinton’s behavior in retaliation for Hillary Clinton’s assertion, during a pre-Christmas interview with the Des Moines Register, that Trump has demonstrated a “penchant for sexism.”

“Hillary Clinton has announced that she is letting her husband out to campaign but HE’S DEMONSTRATED A PENCHANT FOR SEXISM, so inappropriate!” Trump tweeted on Dec. 26.

In an interview Monday on CNN, Trump amped up his rhetoric, calling Bill Clinton “one of the great women abusers of all time” and saying Hillary Clinton was his “enabler.”

Both Clintons have declined to comment on Trump’s latest barrages against them.

Until Trump turned his outsized media spotlight to Bill Clinton’s past sexual behavior, the issue had largely receded to the darker corners of the Internet, although it had continued to percolate.

Last month, a woman in the audience at a Clinton campaign event in New Hampshire asked her: “You say that all rape victims should be believed. But would you say that about Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and/or Paula Jones?”

It was not a spontaneous question. The woman read from a card and mispronounced the first two names she mentioned.

But to anyone who followed the sagas of the Clinton presidency, they were familiar ones:

●Broaddrick had accused Bill Clinton of raping her in 1978, when she was working on his Arkansas gubernatorial campaign.

●Willey, a former White House volunteer, said he had attempted to kiss and grope her in a private hallway leading to the Oval Office.

●Jones, a onetime Arkansas state employee, sued Clinton in 1994 for sexual harassment, saying he had three years earlier exposed his erect penis to her and asked her to kiss it.

And, of course, the biggest of all was the scandal over Clinton’s extramarital affair with Monica Lewinsky, who was a White House intern at the time. Diane Blair, a close friend of Hillary Clinton, wrote in her journal unearthed in 2014 that the then-first lady had privately called Lewinsky a “narcissistic loony toon.”

Publicly, Clinton’s defenders were at times brutal in their characterizations of the women who made sexual allegations against him. “If you drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find,” James Carville, Bill Clinton’s former strategist, once said.

Yet Bill Clinton settled Jones’s lawsuit in November 1998 for $850,000, acknowledging no wrongdoing and offering no apology. Just under a month later, he was impeached by the House on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice that stemmed from Jones’s lawsuit; he was acquitted by the Senate.

He also denied both Willey and Broaddrick’s allegations.

But all of these past accusations are being stirred up again, including by some who claim they were his victims.

Broaddrick, now a Trump supporter, tweeted Wednesday: “I was 35 years old when Bill Clinton, Ark. Attorney General raped me and Hillary tried to silence me. I am now 73. . . .it never goes away.”

In an interview, she said she had watched Bill Clinton’s first solo campaign appearance on his wife’s behalf on television Monday.

“He looked so beaten, and he looked like everything in his past was catching up to him. He looked so downtrodden. It made my heart sing,” Broaddrick said.

And she is not the only one.

Tom Watson, owner of Maverick Investigations, an Arizona-based private investigative agency, built a website — “A Scandal a Day” — for Willey last spring, shortly after Hillary Clinton declared she was running for president. It aims to bring forward new allegations.

The site went live in June, Watson said, and in the first two hours it received 100,000 hits.

“Kathleen is going to be very popular this year,” Watson predicted.

Last month, Aaron Klein, a writer for such right-of-center publications as World Net Daily and host of a weekly radio talk show, wrote an article on Breitbart.com headlined “In Their Own Words: Why Bill’s ‘Bimbos’ Fear a Hillary Presidency.”

In it, Klein described how his radio program had become “a support center of sorts” for Bill Clinton’s female accusers — “a safe-space for these women to sound off about the way they were allegedly treated by both Bill and Hillary.”

In the article, Klein quotes Broaddrick, Willey and Gennifer Flowers, an actress who had an affair with Clinton when he was governor.

In what Klein described as Flowers’s only interview since Clinton announced her candidacy, Flowers accused Hillary of being “an enabler that has encouraged [bill] to go out and do whatever he does with women.”

“I think it’s a joke,” Klein quotes Flowers as saying, “that she would run on women’s issues.”

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[timschochet]

Was that really necessary?

 

[TheAristocrat]

Was that really necessary?

Hillary hasn't seen a boner in the last 30 years of her marriage of power.

 

[Jack White]

Slick Willie and Killary conspire to cover up Bill's crimes

 

[Jack White]

Hey look, Timmy has a mass-murderer wannabe as his avatar.

Sweet.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The Bill Clinton scandal machine revs back up and takes aim at his wife

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The ghosts of the 1990s have returned to confront Hillary Clinton, released from the vault by Donald Trump and revved up by a 21st-century version of the scandal machine that almost destroyed her husband’s presidency.

This is a moment that her campaign has long expected. What remains to be seen is whether a reminder of allegations of sexual impropriety against Bill Clinton — which were deemed to have varying levels of credibility when they were first aired — can gain new traction in a different context.

The fresher case being made is that Hillary Clinton has been, at a minimum, hypocritical about her husband’s treatment of women, and possibly even complicit in discrediting his accusers.

And it is being pressed at a time when there is a new sensitivity toward victims of unwanted sexual contact, and when one of the biggest news stories is the prosecution of once-beloved comedian Bill Cosby on charges that he drugged and assaulted a woman 12 years ago — one of dozens who have accused him of similar behavior.

In November, Hillary Clinton tweeted: “Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed, and supported.” She has made women’s issues a central focus of her campaign and is counting on a swell of support for the historic prospect of the first female president.

Clinton’s campaign appears confident that Americans will see all of this as old news, and that her husband will remain an asset to her efforts to get his old job. It is happening early in the campaign season, and Trump himself has come under heavy criticism for his many boorish comments about women.

Trump started hammering on Bill Clinton’s behavior in retaliation for Hillary Clinton’s assertion, during a pre-Christmas interview with the Des Moines Register, that Trump has demonstrated a “penchant for sexism.”

“Hillary Clinton has announced that she is letting her husband out to campaign but HE’S DEMONSTRATED A PENCHANT FOR SEXISM, so inappropriate!” Trump tweeted on Dec. 26.

In an interview Monday on CNN, Trump amped up his rhetoric, calling Bill Clinton “one of the great women abusers of all time” and saying Hillary Clinton was his “enabler.”

Both Clintons have declined to comment on Trump’s latest barrages against them.

Until Trump turned his outsized media spotlight to Bill Clinton’s past sexual behavior, the issue had largely receded to the darker corners of the Internet, although it had continued to percolate.

Last month, a woman in the audience at a Clinton campaign event in New Hampshire asked her: “You say that all rape victims should be believed. But would you say that about Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and/or Paula Jones?”

It was not a spontaneous question. The woman read from a card and mispronounced the first two names she mentioned.

But to anyone who followed the sagas of the Clinton presidency, they were familiar ones:

●Broaddrick had accused Bill Clinton of raping her in 1978, when she was working on his Arkansas gubernatorial campaign.

●Willey, a former White House volunteer, said he had attempted to kiss and grope her in a private hallway leading to the Oval Office.

●Jones, a onetime Arkansas state employee, sued Clinton in 1994 for sexual harassment, saying he had three years earlier exposed his erect penis to her and asked her to kiss it.

And, of course, the biggest of all was the scandal over Clinton’s extramarital affair with Monica Lewinsky, who was a White House intern at the time. Diane Blair, a close friend of Hillary Clinton, wrote in her journal unearthed in 2014 that the then-first lady had privately called Lewinsky a “narcissistic loony toon.”

Publicly, Clinton’s defenders were at times brutal in their characterizations of the women who made sexual allegations against him. “If you drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find,” James Carville, Bill Clinton’s former strategist, once said.

Yet Bill Clinton settled Jones’s lawsuit in November 1998 for $850,000, acknowledging no wrongdoing and offering no apology. Just under a month later, he was impeached by the House on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice that stemmed from Jones’s lawsuit; he was acquitted by the Senate.

He also denied both Willey and Broaddrick’s allegations.

But all of these past accusations are being stirred up again, including by some who claim they were his victims.

Broaddrick, now a Trump supporter, tweeted Wednesday: “I was 35 years old when Bill Clinton, Ark. Attorney General raped me and Hillary tried to silence me. I am now 73. . . .it never goes away.”

In an interview, she said she had watched Bill Clinton’s first solo campaign appearance on his wife’s behalf on television Monday.

“He looked so beaten, and he looked like everything in his past was catching up to him. He looked so downtrodden. It made my heart sing,” Broaddrick said.

And she is not the only one.

Tom Watson, owner of Maverick Investigations, an Arizona-based private investigative agency, built a website — “A Scandal a Day” — for Willey last spring, shortly after Hillary Clinton declared she was running for president. It aims to bring forward new allegations.

The site went live in June, Watson said, and in the first two hours it received 100,000 hits.

“Kathleen is going to be very popular this year,” Watson predicted.

Last month, Aaron Klein, a writer for such right-of-center publications as World Net Daily and host of a weekly radio talk show, wrote an article on Breitbart.com headlined “In Their Own Words: Why Bill’s ‘Bimbos’ Fear a Hillary Presidency.”

In it, Klein described how his radio program had become “a support center of sorts” for Bill Clinton’s female accusers — “a safe-space for these women to sound off about the way they were allegedly treated by both Bill and Hillary.”

In the article, Klein quotes Broaddrick, Willey and Gennifer Flowers, an actress who had an affair with Clinton when he was governor.

In what Klein described as Flowers’s only interview since Clinton announced her candidacy, Flowers accused Hillary of being “an enabler that has encouraged [bill] to go out and do whatever he does with women.”

“I think it’s a joke,” Klein quotes Flowers as saying, “that she would run on women’s issues.”

BONERS x 10 to the 5150 power

What's up with that?

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/what-up-with-that/n12867

pssst, put the xanax down.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Excuse me. I was directed to this thread by mistake when searching for info on Arizona Ron's gymnasium boners.

 

[lakerstan]

Regardless of any history, I would put Hillary's record (and current positions) on women's issues over any of the existing Republican nominees. Even as Secretary of State, she made women's rights - particularly in the Middle East, where rights are extremely limited - a focus of her office.

So keep posting those scintillating boner-inspiring stories to try to discredit her, but when comparing her views on things like reproductive rights to Cruz, or the concerns Trump has with Megyn Kelly's menstrual cycle, she'll win that argument.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Also, just to be clear, this isn't just an issue of modern vs. 1990s standards of sexual harassment. This is really just an issue of common sense. "I'm the President of the United States and you're a barely legal intern, but no this isn't predatory at all" isn't a very compelling story.

I don't approve of Clinton's actions as president re Lewinsky and didn't at the time. I think it was an abuse of a position of power - and Bill has more or less said that too, I saw an interview with him where he said (paraphrasing) that it wasn't so much that what he did that was wrong (which was bad enough) but that he knew he could do it (he knew he could get away with it) - "I did it because I could."

And I have never forgiven him for pointing his finger in that interview and saying "I never had sexual relations with that woman."

But Hillary is not Bill Clinton and I don't hold her responsible for his transgressions. I will be voting for Hillary, not a third term of Bill.

But I thought the First Lady was a critical actor in the White House hierarchy, and that that's a big part of the reason why Hillary is the most qualified candidate since Nixon. Now, suddenly, I'm being told that First Spouse is really just kind of a nobody and none of us should care if he's a sexual predator or something. I'm confused. It's almost as if people are just making up arguments to justify positions that they already feel compelled to take without regard to consistency, but that can't be it.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Also, just to be clear, this isn't just an issue of modern vs. 1990s standards of sexual harassment. This is really just an issue of common sense. "I'm the President of the United States and you're a barely legal intern, but no this isn't predatory at all" isn't a very compelling story.

I don't approve of Clinton's actions as president re Lewinsky and didn't at the time. I think it was an abuse of a position of power - and Bill has more or less said that too, I saw an interview with him where he said (paraphrasing) that it wasn't so much that what he did that was wrong (which was bad enough) but that he knew he could do it (he knew he could get away with it) - "I did it because I could."

And I have never forgiven him for pointing his finger in that interview and saying "I never had sexual relations with that woman."

But Hillary is not Bill Clinton and I don't hold her responsible for his transgressions. I will be voting for Hillary, not a third term of Bill.

But I thought the First Lady was a critical actor in the White House hierarchy, and that that's a big part of the reason why Hillary is the most qualified candidate since Nixon. Now, suddenly, I'm being told that First Spouse is really just kind of a nobody and none of us should care if he's a sexual predator or something. I'm confused. It's almost as if people are just making up arguments to justify positions that they already feel compelled to take without regard to consistency, but that can't be it.

There is a difference between attacking a candidate because you don't want her spouse in the White House as a First Husband and attacking a candidate for the transgressions of her spouse because you think she is somehow responsible or accountable for them. I've heard pretty much none of the former so far from Hillary's opponents, it's been pretty much exclusively the latter.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Also, just to be clear, this isn't just an issue of modern vs. 1990s standards of sexual harassment. This is really just an issue of common sense. "I'm the President of the United States and you're a barely legal intern, but no this isn't predatory at all" isn't a very compelling story.

I don't approve of Clinton's actions as president re Lewinsky and didn't at the time. I think it was an abuse of a position of power - and Bill has more or less said that too, I saw an interview with him where he said (paraphrasing) that it wasn't so much that what he did that was wrong (which was bad enough) but that he knew he could do it (he knew he could get away with it) - "I did it because I could."

And I have never forgiven him for pointing his finger in that interview and saying "I never had sexual relations with that woman."

But Hillary is not Bill Clinton and I don't hold her responsible for his transgressions. I will be voting for Hillary, not a third term of Bill.

But I thought the First Lady was a critical actor in the White House hierarchy, and that that's a big part of the reason why Hillary is the most qualified candidate since Nixon. Now, suddenly, I'm being told that First Spouse is really just kind of a nobody and none of us should care if he's a sexual predator or something. I'm confused. It's almost as if people are just making up arguments to justify positions that they already feel compelled to take without regard to consistency, but that can't be it.

There is a difference between attacking a candidate because you don't want her spouse in the White House as a First Husband and attacking a candidate for the transgressions of her spouse because you think she is somehow responsible or accountable for them. I've heard pretty much none of the former so far from Hillary's opponents, it's been pretty much exclusively the latter.

I know. I'm in the latter camp too. This is mainly just a shot at people who think that First Spouse is an important position.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hillary said the following on the Today Show right after the Monica Lewinsky story broke:

“I think we’re going to find some other things. And I think that when all of this is put into context, and we really look at the people involved here, look at their motivations and look at their backgrounds, look at their past behavior, some folks are going to have a lot to answer for.”

I believe it was less than two weeks later when Stephanopoulos went on TV and telegraphed their Ellen Rometsch strategy that Hillary advocated for and the Clinton machine employed which lead to Bob Livingston stepping down and the Senate backing off.

Hillary Clinton talks about turtles on fence posts

Someone should ask Hillary how all those 14 turtles ended up straddled on Bill's lap......

And don't you just love that fake Suhhthuhn accent???

 

[AnonymousBob]

Regardless of any history, I would put Hillary's record (and current positions) on women's issues over any of the existing Republican nominees. Even as Secretary of State, she made women's rights - particularly in the Middle East, where rights are extremely limited - a focus of her office.

So keep posting those scintillating boner-inspiring stories to try to discredit her, but when comparing her views on things like reproductive rights to Cruz, or the concerns Trump has with Megyn Kelly's menstrual cycle, she'll win that argument.

Hillary being better than the Republicans is a different argument. She can be better than them but still deserve criticism.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Fredericka Whitfield was just having a serious talking heads discussion about this issue on CNN.

Recently we have seen serious discussions and pieces in WaPo, NYTimes, Salon, Daily Kos, Vox, USA Today Politics, elsewhere.

Consider me among the surprised but this has indeed entered the mainstream of national discussion. And it began with Hillary putting Bill on the campaign trail as a surrogate.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Is there some way to combine the UVA Rolling Stone, Duke Lacrosse, Cosby and Clinton threads, at least in principles?

Because it would be good to get one standard for believing when someone has been raped.

My story is typical. It is ordinary, normal and average. I was a first year student out at a party drinking in the fall, and a guy who insisted on walking me home invited me to hang out in his room, where he forced me down and raped me. It's not unusual -- practically commonplace. And that's terrifying.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/emily-renda/my-story-is-typical-and-t_b_5234309.html

How is this different from Broaddrick, aside from the fact that she was in her 30s, she was not drinking or partying, and she invited Bill Clinton up to her room (at his suggestion) rather than going to his room?

Do you believe both of them, neither of them, or just one of them?

Juanita Broaddrick ‏@atensnut

I was 35 years old when Bill Clinton, Ark. Attorney General raped me and Hillary tried to silence me. I am now 73....it never goes away.

 

[sublimeone]

Pretty good read here:

Linda Tripp: 'Bill Had Affairs with Thousands of Women:' http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/17/exclusive-linda-tripp-bill-had-affairs-with-thousands-of-women/

 

[Rove!]

Regardless of any history, I would put Hillary's record (and current positions) on women's issues over any of the existing Republican nominees. Even as Secretary of State, she made women's rights - particularly in the Middle East, where rights are extremely limited - a focus of her office.

So keep posting those scintillating boner-inspiring stories to try to discredit her, but when comparing her views on things like reproductive rights to Cruz, or the concerns Trump has with Megyn Kelly's menstrual cycle, she'll win that argument.

Hillary being better than the Republicans is a different argument. She can be better than them but still deserve criticism.

IMHO, she is capable of acting like a sane person, but deep down she is really even more unhinged than Trump pretends to be...

 

[Rove!]

Pretty good read here:

Linda Tripp: 'Bill Had Affairs with Thousands of Women:' http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/17/exclusive-linda-tripp-bill-had-affairs-with-thousands-of-women/

Did she keep this to herself for two decades? Why now?

 

[Wrigley]

Pretty good read here:

Linda Tripp: 'Bill Had Affairs with Thousands of Women:' http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/17/exclusive-linda-tripp-bill-had-affairs-with-thousands-of-women/

Did she keep this to herself for two decades? Why now?

Fear of accidental death

 

[sublimeone]

One other thought on this - Dylan Matthews at Vox is pretty young. This article might give an indication of how the old allegations of the 1970s-2000's might be seen in a brand new, modern light by the younger generation of pundits and voters.

I liked Vox's take here. Even-handed and illuminating. Not sure how much of a problem it will present for Hillary (my guess is that women will consider her a victim more so than an enabler), but it's still a good read as this stuff gets pushed back into the limelight.

Looks like she's lost Lena: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/politics/90s-scandals-threaten-to-erode-hillary-clintons-strength-with-women.html?_r=0

 

[sublimeone]

Flight logs show Bill Clinton flew on sex offender's jet much more than previously known: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Flight logs show Bill Clinton flew on sex offender's jet much more than previously known: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html

This is something.

 

[Parrothead]

This is something.

Hillary Clinton ‏@HillaryClinton 16h16 hours ago
You can tell a lot about someone by the company they keep.

 

[HellToupee]

I'd love to give the ####### aristocrat a Singapore caning for ruining mobile with that post. I do , I really do

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Wait a second - 26 trips on Epstein's plane and 5 without secret service???????????

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Wait a second - 26 trips on Epstein's plane and 5 without secret service???????????

Nothing to see here 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Flight logs show Bill Clinton flew on sex offender's jet much more than previously known: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html

“Bill Clinton … associated with a man like Jeffrey Epstein, who everyone in New York, certainly within his inner circles, knew was a pedophile,” said Conchita Sarnoff, of the Washington, D.C. based non-profit Alliance to Rescue Victims of Trafficking, and author of an upcoming book on the Epstein case called "TrafficKing." “Why would a former president associate with a man like that?”

 at even having to ask the question.

 

[Reaper]

 at even having to ask the question.

Minus the Under-Age Rape part thingeee..... This would make a Fantastic movie.  

ppl thought Will Ferrell Making fun of Reagan and Alzheimers would be good???

This is 100000x times more entertaining!!!!!

 

[Parrothead]

Minus the Under-Age Rape part thingeee..... This would make a Fantastic movie.  

ppl thought Will Ferrell Making fun of Reagan and Alzheimers would be good???

This is 100000x times more entertaining!!!!!

Bill Clinton Story-- Rated NC-17

 

[Sinn Fein]

Yeah - Clintons have lived such a public and open life - Neither Trump nor the GOP will be able to come up with anything that affects public opinion on her...

Clinton:  Trump is a misogynist!!

Trump: Yeah, but Bill hangs out with a Pedophile.  Who do you want at the annual White House Easter Egg Hunt?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

On one occasion, Epstein flew the former President, Hollywood actor and staunch Democrat Kevin Spacey and another actor friend of Mr Clinton’s, Chris Tucker, to Africa, to ‘discuss AIDS policy’.

...Yet Virginia Roberts stresses that she was never ‘lent out’ to Mr Clinton.

On one occasion, she adds, Epstein did invite two young brunettes to a dinner which he gave on his Caribbean island for Mr Clinton shortly after he left office. But, as far as she knows, the ex-President did not take the bait.


‘I’d have been about 17 at the time,’ she says. ‘I flew to the Caribbean with Jeffrey and then Ghislaine Maxwell went to pick up Bill in a huge black helicopter that Jeffrey had bought her.


‘She’d always wanted to fly and Jeffrey paid for her to take lessons, and I remember she was very excited because she got her licence around the first year we met.

'I used to get frightened flying with her but Bill had the Secret Service with him and I remember him talking about what a good job she did.

‘I only ever met Bill twice but Jeffrey had told me that they were good friends.

'I asked, “How come?” and he laughed and said, “He owes me some favours.” Maybe he was just joking but it constantly surprised me that people with as much to lose as Bill and [Prince] Andrew weren’t more careful.

‘Bill must have known about Jeffrey’s girls. There were three desks in the living area of the villa on the island.


'They were covered with pictures of Jeffrey shaking hands with famous people and photos of naked girls, including one of me that Jeffrey had at all his houses, lying in a hammock.

‘We all dined together that night. Jeffrey was at the head of the table. Bill was at his left. I sat across from him. Emmy Tayler, Ghislaine’s blonde British assistant, sat at my right.

‘Ghislaine was at Bill’s left and at the left of Ghislaine there were two olive-skinned brunettes who’d flown in with us from New York.

'I’d never met them before. I’d say they were no older than 17, very innocent-looking.

‘They weren’t there for me. They weren’t there for Jeffrey or Ghislaine because I was there to have sex with Jeffrey on the trip.

‘Maybe Jeffrey thought they would entertain Bill, but I saw no evidence that he was interested in them. He and Jeffrey and Ghislaine seemed to have a very good relationship. Bill was very funny.


'He made me laugh a few times. And he and Jeffrey and Ghislaine told blokey jokes and the brunettes listened politely and giggled. ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363452/Bill-Clinton-15-year-old-masseuse-I-met-twice-claims-Epsteins-girl.html#ixzz48ZXQHz46

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

I did not have sex with those underage girls

 

[Rove!]

Hillary Clinton ‏@HillaryClinton 16h16 hours ago
You can tell a lot about someone by the company they keep.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Hillary Clinton ‏@HillaryClinton 16h16 hours ago
You can tell a lot about someone by the company they keep.

The Company You Keep - indeed

 

[squistion]

This is something.

Which is what you say about everything. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Which is what you about everything. 

I know, right? Hillary has nothing going on, really things have been so calm for her, running for president, criminal investigation, FBI interviews, depositions in two federal court cases, aides interviewed by FBI, server seized, Foundation subpoenaed... yeah it's been pretty calm, all right.