Young TEs: Keller / Olsen / Miller / Carlson (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

I view Olsen and Keller as the next coming... Carson is on a nice pass happy team, so he has a great chance to produce some nice rookie #s. Miller seems to have the talent to be decent in the NFL, as long as his QB performs.

 

[MAC_32]

I prefer Rucker to Carlson, who's not going to do much in the passing game, and think he's on par with Keller. Miller's of a similar mold as Carlson (solid blocker, ok in the passing game) but he's the starter on a team with a newb under center (they tend to lean on their security blankets, often TE's). Olsen's a notch above all of these guys, Keller is not a 1st round talent.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

I like Olsen a lot but I dont trust the bears to use him correctly.

 

[jonboltz]

Gimme Zach Miller here.

 

[Enforcer]

If you mean CARLSON, as in the rookie in Seattle, I think he has a great chance to start, but rookie TEs are generally the suck. Carlson was specifically selected by Seattle because he can be a respectable blocker as well as a receiver. Its going to take him some time because initially he's going to be swamped with responsibility.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

I invested in Miller last year to shore up my TE holes. Thank god I can stay focused on RB'S this year! haha

 

[TitusIII]

I like Olsen a lot but I dont trust the bears to use him correctly.

See Grossman to Dez Clark the past few years, the Bears seem to know how to get their TE's involved in a significant way...imo... Olsen will be a monster in Chi-Town...he is the their only true weapon in the passing game, outside of the bomb to Hester....Even on a gimpy knee, Olsen's talent was quite apparent, I'd be shocked if he doesn't enter elite fantasy TE status this season...

 

[JPeso]

Carlson should be great in Seattle's scheme. In PPR leagues, he could finish as a top 10-15 TE in his rookie year. Hass will lean on him for dump-offs. Picture Eric Johnson last year with the Saints, but a lot better.

A guy being severely undervalued at the moment is Z. Miller. This guy has top-tier talent.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

 

[Tanner9919]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

Owen Daniels trumps all of these guys..he's in a TE-friendly offense, and recorded 63 catches for 768 yards and 3 tds in 2007, in only his SECOND NFL season ( drafted in 2006). Houston's QB position was lousy last year, which is why Daniels' achievements are all the more impressive..the guy is going to be money in the bank for years to come..as that offense becomes more versatile with the talent they've amassed, Daniels figures to be a major piece of that offense..

I'd take him over any of the other TE's you've mentioned.

 

[LBH]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

I agree. The Jets didnt move up in the draft to not use him. He will be used often as a reciever imo, and will cause some match up problems. Love his prospects as a fantasy TE. Guy looks like a really big WR to me

 

[LBH]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

Owen Daniels trumps all of these guys..he's in a TE-friendly offense, and recorded 63 catches for 768 yards and 3 tds in 2007, in only his SECOND NFL season ( drafted in 2006). Houston's QB position was lousy last year, which is why Daniels' achievements are all the more impressive..the guy is going to be money in the bank for years to come..as that offense becomes more versatile with the talent they've amassed, Daniels figures to be a major piece of that offense , for years to come..

I'd take him over any of the other TE's you've mentioned.

Daniels is a nice choice. Did AJ being out for a large part of the season have a positive impact on his targets? Im not sure. Also, I like Sheffler even better than Daniels

 

[MAC_32]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

So will Rucker. They have the same skill set, Keller just had a better Pro Day. Both are assets in the passing game that can stretch the field, are solid route runners, have + hands (although Rucker's are better), and neither of them can block worth a damn. So why is one a 4th round talent and the other a late 1st? They're not. Both are marginal 2nd round players

 

[Fallerjw]

Another vote for Rucker.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

Owen Daniels trumps all of these guys..he's in a TE-friendly offense, and recorded 63 catches for 768 yards and 3 tds in 2007, in only his SECOND NFL season ( drafted in 2006). Houston's QB position was lousy last year, which is why Daniels' achievements are all the more impressive..the guy is going to be money in the bank for years to come..as that offense becomes more versatile with the talent they've amassed, Daniels figures to be a major piece of that offense..

I'd take him over any of the other TE's you've mentioned.

I love Daniels... but after the last 2 Season... he'll be taken w/ in the top 8 or so TEsThe 4 Guys I mentioned plus Rucker are great value in start ups....

 

[SPM]

I think Finley will be good

 

[Neo]

Crazy question....what does Anthony Fasano do in Miami? He's the starter, has a couple of years under his belt....Parcell's type of guy. I have to say I don't know much about his skills....sorry for the hijack, I just am thinking possible value.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Sorry for the hijack , but since you're talking about young TEs and included Keller and Carlson, I believe Tamme deserves to be in this conversation.

remember Jacob Tamme remember Jacob Tamme remember Jacob Tamme remember Jacob Tamme, because he will end up being the best TE in this class.

Jacob Tamme (pronounced "TAM-mee")(born March 15, 1985 in Lexington, Kentucky) is an American football tight end for the Indianapolis Colts of the National Football League. He played collegiately with the University of Kentucky football team in 2007. He is 6'5" tall and weighs 240 pounds (1.96 m, 109 kg).

As one of the top scholar-athletes in the country, he completed his degree in integrated strategic communications in only three years and will have earned his MBA before entering the NFL

Tamme graduated from Boyle County High School in Danville, Kentucky, where he was a multi-sport star in football, baseball, and basketball.

He was a four-year letterman and three-year starter at wide receiver and cornerback for the Rebels, who won four consecutive state championships, two in Class AA and two in Class AAA, and had a sterling 58-2 record over those four seasons. He was a first-team all-state selection as a senior by The Associated Press and Louisville Courier-Journal when he caught 46 passes for 797 yards, a 17.3-yard average, and 13 touchdowns. In addition, he was also a finalist for the prestigious Kentucky "Mr. Football" Award, given to the top performer on the high school gridiron.

His career totals include 97 receptions for 1,866 yards, a 19.2-yard average, and 32 touchdowns. On defense, he intercepted 23 passes, including two returns for touchdowns. As a kick returner, he took 25 punts for 395 yards, a 15.8-yard average, and two touchdowns

As a redshirt freshman, he played in all 11 games for the Kentucky Wildcats. He started three games at wide receiver before moving to his more natural position of tight end for the season-ending game at Tennessee. For the season, he had 16 catches for 161 yards, third on the team that year. He was also named to the SEC Academic Honor Roll for excellent work in the classroom.

As a sophomore, he played in all 11 games, starting 10. He was second on the team in pass receptions with 29 catches for 253 yards and one touchdown. On special teams, he blocked punts vs. Louisville and Florida. He also earned a slot on the SEC Academic Honor Roll for the second straight year.

As a junior, he was voted to the All-SEC first team by the SEC coaches and the Associated Press. He led SEC tight ends in receptions with 32, netting 386 receiving yards and two touchdowns. He made the SEC Academic Honor Roll for the third year in a row.

As a senior, he had 56 receptions for 619 yards and six touchdowns. For the second year in a row, he earned first-team All-SEC honors from both the Assoicated Press (unanimous decision) and coaches polls.

Jacob finished his career as Kentucky’s all-time top pass-catching tight end and 2nd in the history of the SEC tight ends with 133 catches for 1,417 yards.

Known for his contributions back to the community, in 2006, he was named to the National Good Works Team by the American Football Coaches Association, the SEC Community Service Team by the SEC Office, and to the Frank G. Ham Society of Character by UK Athletics.

In 2007, he was one of 15 finalists for the prestigious Draddy Trophy, which is presented to the top scholar athlete in the country. He gave the acceptance speech on behalf of the 15 finalists at the award ceremony in New York City.

Also in 2007, he was named the SEC Scholar Athlete of the Year and elected to the first-team Academic All-America squad by the College Sports Information Directors of America.

Jacob was the 2007 recipient of the Bobby Bowden Award, a national honor presented by the Fellowship of Christian Athletes

 

[MAC_32]

If something were to happen to Dallas Clark, Tamme will get a shot. If not, he's just another Utecht.

Cottam and Mike Peterson are the two TE's I'm paying most attention to regarding deep sleeper's, moreso Cottam as I believe he may have been drafted as the heir apparent to Gonzo...but then again this was Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards talent evaluations

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

If something were to happen to Dallas Clark, Tamme will get a shot. If not, he's just another Utecht.

Cottam and Mike Peterson are the two TE's I'm paying most attention to regarding deep sleeper's, moreso Cottam as I believe he may have been drafted as the heir apparent to Gonzo...but then again this was Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards talent evaluations

True about Clark, but he's a lot better than Utecht IMO. Clark is 29 I believe, and it's dynasty leagues we're mostly talking about here.

 

[Caveman_Nick]

I am a little surprised that 25 year old Tony Scheffler doesn't even get mentioned here. IIRC he was around the #6 TE in ( standard 1/10 type) PPR performance scoring formats through the last 6-8 weeks of the 2007 season.

 

[MAC_32]

I am a little surprised that 25 year old Tony Scheffler doesn't even get mentioned here. IIRC he was around the #6 TE in ( standard 1/10 type) PPR performance scoring formats through the last 6-8 weeks of the 2007 season.

I think you can lump him and Daniels together, neither should be ranked outside any TE top 10.

 

[LBH]

I am a little surprised that 25 year old Tony Scheffler doesn't even get mentioned here.

I think hes going to be great as I mentioned in post #12

 

[Caveman_Nick]

I am a little surprised that 25 year old Tony Scheffler doesn't even get mentioned here.

I think hes going to be great as I mentioned in post #12

I missed that one Good call!!

 

[zadok]

Crazy question....what does Anthony Fasano do in Miami? He's the starter, has a couple of years under his belt....Parcell's type of guy. I have to say I don't know much about his skills....sorry for the hijack, I just am thinking possible value.

Who says he's the starter? David Martin is as of now.

 

[FTRWRTR]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

So will Rucker. They have the same skill set, Keller just had a better Pro Day. Both are assets in the passing game that can stretch the field, are solid route runners, have + hands (although Rucker's are better), and neither of them can block worth a damn. So why is one a 4th round talent and the other a late 1st? They're not. Both are marginal 2nd round players

If a wr who is 6'2", 242lbs, has a 38" vert and ran a 4.55/40 came out do you seriously think he wouldn't be drafted in the first round? Don't let the fact that keller is designated as a te fool ya.While I'm high on rucker and think he was a steal in the 4th he just isn't the athlete that keller is

 

[MAC_32]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

So will Rucker. They have the same skill set, Keller just had a better Pro Day. Both are assets in the passing game that can stretch the field, are solid route runners, have + hands (although Rucker's are better), and neither of them can block worth a damn. So why is one a 4th round talent and the other a late 1st? They're not. Both are marginal 2nd round players

If a wr who is 6'2", 242lbs, has a 38" vert and ran a 4.55/40 came out do you seriously think he wouldn't be drafted in the first round? Don't let the fact that keller is designated as a te fool ya.While I'm high on rucker and think he was a steal in the 4th he just isn't the athlete that keller is

Watch them play on the field. On the field play nets results, a 40 time that is .08 seconds faster and a vert that is 1" higher does not.

 

[FTRWRTR]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

So will Rucker. They have the same skill set, Keller just had a better Pro Day. Both are assets in the passing game that can stretch the field, are solid route runners, have + hands (although Rucker's are better), and neither of them can block worth a damn. So why is one a 4th round talent and the other a late 1st? They're not. Both are marginal 2nd round players

If a wr who is 6'2", 242lbs, has a 38" vert and ran a 4.55/40 came out do you seriously think he wouldn't be drafted in the first round? Don't let the fact that keller is designated as a te fool ya.While I'm high on rucker and think he was a steal in the 4th he just isn't the athlete that keller is

Watch them play on the field. On the field play nets results, a 40 time that is .08 seconds faster and a vert that is 1" higher does not.

First off I'm curious where you got that info. Rucker didn't run at the combine at the only times I've seen for him are 4.69 and 4.71Second as far as on the field play is concerned keller averaged 13.3 ypc while rucker averaged 10.7 ypc.

 

[MAC_32]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

So will Rucker. They have the same skill set, Keller just had a better Pro Day. Both are assets in the passing game that can stretch the field, are solid route runners, have + hands (although Rucker's are better), and neither of them can block worth a damn. So why is one a 4th round talent and the other a late 1st? They're not. Both are marginal 2nd round players

If a wr who is 6'2", 242lbs, has a 38" vert and ran a 4.55/40 came out do you seriously think he wouldn't be drafted in the first round? Don't let the fact that keller is designated as a te fool ya.While I'm high on rucker and think he was a steal in the 4th he just isn't the athlete that keller is

Watch them play on the field. On the field play nets results, a 40 time that is .08 seconds faster and a vert that is 1" higher does not.

First off I'm curious where you got that info. Rucker didn't run at the combine at the only times I've seen for him are 4.69 and 4.71Second as far as on the field play is concerned keller averaged 13.3 ypc while rucker averaged 10.7 ypc.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/martin-rucker?id=308"Rucker's 40 time is 4.63 seconds"

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/createaccount.php

"He had a vertical leap of 37 inches and a broad jump of 9 feet, 8 inches"

Still, I put little stock in those measurables, but then again I don't put much stock in offseason workouts. My analysis on the two players are based off my eye test of the two players. Stats don't really tell the whole story at the college level, scheme dictates a lot about what a player can produce. I watched a lot of both players last season and to a lesser degree the year before that, Rucker's ability to attract an extra defender stretching the field allowing for Chase Coffman to go underneath in single coverage does not appear in the stat column. I see the same thing happening for Cleveland with the much much better Winslow running those underneath routes. When that extra defender shadows Winslow or Braylon or Stallworth instead, Rucker has a one on one matchup in the seam against a slower a/o smaller defender. I don't mean to be knocking Keller, he's a solid player, just over valued by the Jets. Not many safeties or LB's have the size or speed to matchup with the 6'5 Rucker, just like they'll struggle with Keller. They're both matchup nightmares, but Rucker's in a much more explosive offense.

 

[Sinners]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

So will Rucker. They have the same skill set, Keller just had a better Pro Day. Both are assets in the passing game that can stretch the field, are solid route runners, have + hands (although Rucker's are better), and neither of them can block worth a damn. So why is one a 4th round talent and the other a late 1st? They're not. Both are marginal 2nd round players

If a wr who is 6'2", 242lbs, has a 38" vert and ran a 4.55/40 came out do you seriously think he wouldn't be drafted in the first round? Don't let the fact that keller is designated as a te fool ya.While I'm high on rucker and think he was a steal in the 4th he just isn't the athlete that keller is

Watch them play on the field. On the field play nets results, a 40 time that is .08 seconds faster and a vert that is 1" higher does not.

First off I'm curious where you got that info. Rucker didn't run at the combine at the only times I've seen for him are 4.69 and 4.71Second as far as on the field play is concerned keller averaged 13.3 ypc while rucker averaged 10.7 ypc.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/martin-rucker?id=308"Rucker's 40 time is 4.63 seconds"

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/createaccount.php

"He had a vertical leap of 37 inches and a broad jump of 9 feet, 8 inches"

Still, I put little stock in those measurables, but then again I don't put much stock in offseason workouts. My analysis on the two players are based off my eye test of the two players. Stats don't really tell the whole story at the college level, scheme dictates a lot about what a player can produce. I watched a lot of both players last season and to a lesser degree the year before that, Rucker's ability to attract an extra defender stretching the field allowing for Chase Coffman to go underneath in single coverage does not appear in the stat column. I see the same thing happening for Cleveland with the much much better Winslow running those underneath routes. When that extra defender shadows Winslow or Braylon or Stallworth instead, Rucker has a one on one matchup in the seam against a slower a/o smaller defender. I don't mean to be knocking Keller, he's a solid player, just over valued by the Jets. Not many safeties or LB's have the size or speed to matchup with the 6'5 Rucker, just like they'll struggle with Keller. They're both matchup nightmares, but Rucker's in a much more explosive offense.

I don't care if you like or dislike any of these players, BUT according to nfldraftscout.com "No Combine workout/left hamstring"http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=8401

Also the 4.63 is the lowest clocked time. His highest clocked time was 4.76. They gave him an official 4.69 BEFORE the combine. Don't know where you got those other numbers....

 

[sheerterror]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

So will Rucker. They have the same skill set, Keller just had a better Pro Day. Both are assets in the passing game that can stretch the field, are solid route runners, have + hands (although Rucker's are better), and neither of them can block worth a damn. So why is one a 4th round talent and the other a late 1st? They're not. Both are marginal 2nd round players

If a wr who is 6'2", 242lbs, has a 38" vert and ran a 4.55/40 came out do you seriously think he wouldn't be drafted in the first round? Don't let the fact that keller is designated as a te fool ya.While I'm high on rucker and think he was a steal in the 4th he just isn't the athlete that keller is

Watch them play on the field. On the field play nets results, a 40 time that is .08 seconds faster and a vert that is 1" higher does not.

How confident are you in Rucker to produce from a FF standpoint when he's going to compete with Kellen Winslow for touches?

 

[MAC_32]

Keller is not a 1st round talent.

I disagree... The Jets will be using some 2 TE sets this yr similar to the Pats. Match up Keller to an OLB and Keller will beat them out.

So will Rucker. They have the same skill set, Keller just had a better Pro Day. Both are assets in the passing game that can stretch the field, are solid route runners, have + hands (although Rucker's are better), and neither of them can block worth a damn. So why is one a 4th round talent and the other a late 1st? They're not. Both are marginal 2nd round players

If a wr who is 6'2", 242lbs, has a 38" vert and ran a 4.55/40 came out do you seriously think he wouldn't be drafted in the first round? Don't let the fact that keller is designated as a te fool ya.While I'm high on rucker and think he was a steal in the 4th he just isn't the athlete that keller is

Watch them play on the field. On the field play nets results, a 40 time that is .08 seconds faster and a vert that is 1" higher does not.

How confident are you in Rucker to produce from a FF standpoint when he's going to compete with Kellen Winslow for touches?

He won't steal many of Winslow's touches, although given the condition of his knee I'm beginning to think the Browns don't want him to continue to have as many touches as he has. I'm confident that Rucker will find his way onto the field enough to be relevant by 09. It's widely speculated this is Vicius' last year (his staff infection may force him to the sideline sooner), I believe Rucker will take most of his snaps working out of the slot on top of the ones he will already be out there for. He plays his best when he goes in motion and ends up in a mismatch, which is what Chud's offense is all about. 55/600/5 is very attainable in the near term if this plays out as I expect it to, not bad for a dyno TE you'll likely find in the 4th round or later and I'm not expecting any more out of any of the other TE's in this class.And, yes, I felt this way about Rucker vs. Keller vs. every other TE in the class before my Browns drafted him.