Your Thought? Understanding Trump Support - Cracked Magazine (of course) Shows The Way (1 Viewer)

[Ilov80s]

I agree with your sentiment here, and I completely recognize the pickle that creates.  They're viewing media that is largely rooted in coastal, metropolitan views where white privilege is a thing.  That has to be frustrating.  Who is their voice and who is working for them?  I totally get it.  What I DON'T get is how Trump becomes that guy.  Outside of not calling them racists, the vast majority of Trump's actions #### over these same people and they still love him.  

Full disclosure - I am white, and I am privileged.

There absolutely is validity to many of the arguments modern conservatives have. The whining victim game is a bad look though (especially when it’s one of the chief complaints they have with liberals). The denial that their views are currently well represented is also a bad look. The rallying behind Trump as their hero is wholly absurd. We do need an alternative to the DC political system but by god this isn’t it. 

People don't care if Biden is a POS.  Or Hillary.  Or Obama.  Or W.  

I can’t speak for anyone but myself here but I do care. I think Obama is the total opposite of POS. He made mistakes and being President, he has blood on his hands but I think he is about as virtuous of a person as we could see reach that level of power. W made some awful decisions but I also think he’s mostly a good guy who tried to do what he thought was right. I’m not a big Hillary fan but I wouldn’t characterize here as a POS. I am so disappointed Biden is the nominee and he’s got lots of issues. However, when compared with Trump, it’s an easy call for me. I was raised in a pro-union, middle class Catholic suburban family. Trump is everything I was taught not to be.  All people have issues and all people make mistakes. I can live with that if the person seems to strive to improve and move past them. Trump relishes in his flaws. I can’t vote for that. 

 

[bigbottom]

It strikes through the very heart of why people support Trump.  People are sick and tired of the left-wing narrative which dominates everything that airs on TV and mainstream media.  They are sick of being called racists.  They are sick of being called heartless.  They are sick of being called dumb.  Trump comes along and kicks he media in the balls, and people don't care if he is a POS.  He is their POS fighting against Hollywood and the big media giants who trash them on a daily basis.  

Assuming you are correct, that they support a POS simply because they are aggrieved by Hollywood and the media and he gives their grievances a voice, that doesn’t speak very well of them. In fact, the Trump supporters I know would likely be insulted by your characterization of them, suggesting that they are that shallow. 

 

[[scooter]]

I thought it was the height of ridiculousness when Trump was invited to speak at the annual Boy Scout Jamboree. Not only was the speech predictably a complete debacle (the organization had to issue an apology afterwards), it’s hard to envision someone who more completely fails to exemplify the values promoted by scouting.

I posted this a while ago, but it seems to fit here. Set forth below is the Scout Law of the Boy Scouts of America.  Is there even a single one of these that we feel our current President exemplifies?

The Scout Law, excerpted from the Boy Scout Handbook:

A Scout is Trustworthy.

A Scout tells the truth. He is honest, and he keeps his promises. People can depend on him.

A Scout is Loyal.

A Scout is true to his family, friends, Scout leaders, school, and nation.

A Scout is Helpful.

A Scout cares about other people. He willingly volunteers to help others without expecting payment or reward.

A Scout is Friendly.

A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He offers his friendship to people of all races and nations, and respects them even if their beliefs and customs are different from his own.

A Scout is Courteous.

A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows that using good manners makes it easier for people to get along.

A Scout is Kind.

A Scout knows there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. Without good reason, he does not harm or kill any living thing.

A Scout is Obedient.

A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobeying them.

A Scout is Cheerful.

A Scout looks for the bright side of life. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy.

A Scout is Thrifty.

A Scout works to pay his own way and to help others. He saves for the future. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property.

A Scout is Brave.

A Scout can face danger although he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at him or threaten him.

A Scout is Clean.

A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He chooses the company of those who live by high standards. He helps keep his home and community clean.

A Scout is Reverent.

A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.

Gerald Ford is the only President who was an Eagle Scout. That alone was probably enough to sour voters on the idea that the President needed to be a Boy Scout.

 

[jon_mx]

Assuming you are correct, that they support a POS simply because they are aggrieved by Hollywood and the media and he gives their grievances a voice, that doesn’t speak very well of them. In fact, the Trump supporters I know would likely be insulted by your characterization of them, suggesting that they are that shallow. 

POS is not their characterization.  I would say that is true of anyone.  The Dems supported Hillary despite her serious ethical issues.  The Dems threw out their Believe Women principles for Biden.  People look at their candidate with rose color glasses.  Because people care more about issues than they do about character.  People will deny it until they are blue in the face, but there is evidence all around us.    

 

[bigbottom]

POS is not their characterization.  I would say that is true of anyone.  The Dems supported Hillary despite her serious ethical issues.  The Dems threw out their Believe Women principles for Biden.  People look at their candidate with rose color glasses.  Because people care more about issues than they do about character.  People will deny it until they are blue in the face, but there is evidence all around us. 

Your direct quote as to why people support Trump . . .

It strikes through the very heart of why people support Trump.  People are sick and tired of the left-wing narrative which dominates everything that airs on TV and mainstream media.  They are sick of being called racists.  They are sick of being called heartless.  They are sick of being called dumb.  Trump comes along and kicks he media in the balls, and people don't care if he is a POS.  He is their POS fighting against Hollywood and the big media giants who trash them on a daily basis.

. . . made no mention of them supporting him because they support his policy stances on issues they care about. Regardless of whether they consider him a POS, you state rather expressly that they support him, not because of the issues, but because he is “fighting against Hollywood and the big media giants who trash them on a daily basis.”  Like I said, your characterization as to why they support him is insulting and belittling.

Now, if you want to amend your position to state that “people care more about issues than character”, that’s another matter entirely. I do think most people who support Trump do so because of the issues, which is far different than your rather disparaging claim that the real reason they support him is because he fights against the media and Hollywood elites that insult them. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Gerald Ford is the only President who was an Eagle Scout. That alone was probably enough to sour voters on the idea that the President needed to be a Boy Scout.

Seems pretty harsh given the circumstances of his partial term. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Forget character even, that can be hard to gauge when you don't actually know somebody. How about his temperament and his intelligence? I would be embarrassed to see anyone act and speak the way he does. I get voting based on issues but there were plenty of GOP nominees with similar enough issues who speak clearly and have self control. Referring back to the article posted on the last page, perhaps those blue collar Gary Cooper Eagle Scout types are a lost generation. I mean Gary Cooper did die in 1961. Maybe those kinds of values are dying out with his generation. The boomers are known as "the me generation" after all so it shouldn't be too big of a surprise to see them supporting Trump. 

 

[The Commish]

Assuming you are correct, that they support a POS simply because they are aggrieved by Hollywood and the media and he gives their grievances a voice, that doesn’t speak very well of them. In fact, the Trump supporters I know would likely be insulted by your characterization of them, suggesting that they are that shallow. 

I feel like if a generalization must be used (even if the people using them complain about them being used...which is a different thread all together), I'd use the one Joe gives.  It aligns significantly better with what I see day to day from what 2016 Trump supporters were at that time.  The question then becomes, with this charge to the right for the current GOP, will those people continue to identify with the current day GOP.  Those that I know, don't.  They're left wondering WTF just like I am.  They know the answer doesn't lie with Trump and aren't sure what to do next.  They also understand that they aren't the ones being talked about in those parody skits on SNL.  They have the self awareness to understand the party's essentially dumped them for people further left that have never really had a meaningful voice before.

There is no question that the media has done some generalizing.  That's no different than jon saying "white people" are offended by x, y, z, 1, 2, 3.......

The die hard group that supports Trump is "offended" by the generalizations while failing to recognize, the large pool they were part of that was somewhat diverse (specifically economically not really racially) has shrunk and it's making the generalizations more and more true not less.  They can't hide in the crowd anymore.  Those that were part of the group saying "Hey, I'm not like that" are getting fewer in number as those who recognize what's going on bail.  Jon's talking as if 75-80% of those who identified with Reagan and Bush are still in full throated support of Trump.  They aren't.  As those guys are left in the dust, plenty more "teammates" can be found during that sprint right.  They'll say/do whatever's required to stay in the light for as long as possible as they've never really been given a voice until now.  As that happens, the generalizations become less and less general.  This too will happen with the Dems if they ever decide it's time to break loose and start a significant sprint to the left similar to what we're seeing with the right.

 

[shadrap]

Look, people can keep spinning this in different ways, but exit polling shows that Trump voters were motivated by racial resentment: 

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/06/top-democrats-are-wrong-trump-supporters-were-more-motivated-by-racism-than-economic-issues/

Those are the facts. They don’t lie. Personally I wish it were otherwise. The Cracked article doesn’t do a bad job of demonstrating the more or less traditional conservative vs liberal dichotomy in which rural prefers conservatism and urban prefers liberalism, but that’s NOT what happened in THIS election. THIS election was about race, and those who voted for Trump tended to be white people tired of Obama, political correctness, and fearful of the growing number of Latinos and non-Europeans that will eventually become the majority. 

this is totally bogus, although you probably believe the opinionated results.  that is why you have no clue why Trump won over Hillary.  this so called poll, which you agree with is petty & demeaning to a huge number of people and not even CLOSE to the reason Trump won.   This so called "poll" is a product of preconceived bias to arrive at a preconceived conclusion.  It is a way to explain why Hillary lost an election and still feel good about themselves.  It's the same tired old racism label that some Dems throw around every time they lose or are on the short side of an argument.   It sickens me & most of Trump supporters, & the superior air exhibited by those that exploit it is all so pathetic...........but so predictable.

over & out.

 

[timschochet]

this is totally bogus, although you probably believe the opinionated results.  that is why you have no clue why Trump won over Hillary.  this so called poll, which you agree with is petty & demeaning to a huge number of people and not even CLOSE to the reason Trump won.   This so called "poll" is a product of preconceived bias to arrive at a preconceived conclusion.  It is a way to explain why Hillary lost an election and still feel good about themselves.  It's the same tired old racism label that some Dems throw around every time they lose or are on the short side of an argument.   It sickens me & most of Trump supporters, & the superior air exhibited by those that exploit it is all so pathetic...........but so predictable.

over & out.

I find your response and indignation to be equally as predictable. 

The poll was what it was. There were several polls taken and they all reported the same thing. Frankly at the time I read them I was surprised. I thought it was economic concerns. And I still don’t believe that most Trump supporters in 2016 were racist; but it’s undeniable that they are primarily concerned about whites becoming a minority in the United States. All the exit polls said the same thing. 

No doubt you will go to your deathbed believing that race and cultural issues played no part in the 2016 election and that I and others like me have no clue as to why Trump won. Thankfully in a few months it won’t matter any more, except to historians. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Jon's talking as if 75-80% of those who identified with Reagan and Bush are still in full throated support of Trump.  They aren't. 

Yep, I voted for George W Bush and tried again with Kasich in the primary but will be voting straight Democrat for anything for the foreseeable future. This even includes local elections. 

 

[Zow]

this is totally bogus, although you probably believe the opinionated results.  that is why you have no clue why Trump won over Hillary.  this so called poll, which you agree with is petty & demeaning to a huge number of people and not even CLOSE to the reason Trump won.   This so called "poll" is a product of preconceived bias to arrive at a preconceived conclusion.  It is a way to explain why Hillary lost an election and still feel good about themselves.  It's the same tired old racism label that some Dems throw around every time they lose or are on the short side of an argument.   It sickens me & most of Trump supporters, & the superior air exhibited by those that exploit it is all so pathetic...........but so predictable.

over & out.

Why did Trump win over Hillary?

 

[shadrap]

I find your response and indignation to be equally as predictable. 

The poll was what it was. There were several polls taken and they all reported the same thing. Frankly at the time I read them I was surprised. I thought it was economic concerns. And I still don’t believe that most Trump supporters in 2016 were racist; but it’s undeniable that they are primarily concerned about whites becoming a minority in the United States. All the exit polls said the same thing. 

No doubt you will go to your deathbed believing that race and cultural issues played no part in the 2016 election and that I and others like me have no clue as to why Trump won. Thankfully in a few months it won’t matter any more, except to historians. 

whites, blacks, Hispanic  could care less about your preconceived notions about race.  last I looked they want to work & contribute instead of blaming something or someone that isn't there to the degree it was.  It's almost like you wish it was to explain things.  

sorry man, Hillary lost & she was white, rich, & privileged.    

 

[shadrap]

Why did Trump win over Hillary?

he didn't run because he needed a job, power, or money.  he ran & was elected because he was tired of the same old song & dance of people elected that wanted to further their career instead of the good of the country.  These mealy mouth politicians have  more  desire to get re-elected than to do the right thing.  they do the poll thing to see if what they say will be accepted, regardless of what they believe or know what is right.   Trump is different.  he actually cares  & he does.   He took on China head on in the trade deal.   the guy has balls & he did it for us. 

%That is it in a nut shell 

 

[Zow]

he didn't run because he needed a job, power, or money.  he ran & was elected because he was tired of the same old song & dance of people elected that wanted to further their career instead of the good of the country.  These mealy mouth politicians have  more  desire to get re-elected than to do the right thing.  they do the poll thing to see if what they say will be accepted, regardless of what they believe or know what is right.   Trump is different.  he actually cares  & he does.   He took on China head on in the trade deal.   the guy has balls & he did it for us. 

%That is it in a nut shell 

How do you know this?

 

[shadrap]

How do you know this?

because he does.  political opinion be damned.

 

[Zow]

because he does.  political opinion be damned.

I’m genuinely not following this answer. You know this bc he does?

 

[Zigg]

 the guy has balls & he did it for us.  

Every single thing Donald Trump does, is to enrich Donald Trump.  He doesn’t give a flying F about a single other person.  Maybe Ivanka. 
 

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Yep, I voted for George W Bush and tried again with Kasich in the primary but will be voting straight Democrat for anything for the foreseeable future. This even includes local elections. 

Better to have all D's than all F's.

 

[ShaqAttaq]

he didn't run because he needed a job, power, or money.  he ran & was elected because he was tired of the same old song & dance of people elected that wanted to further their career instead of the good of the country.  These mealy mouth politicians have  more  desire to get re-elected than to do the right thing.  they do the poll thing to see if what they say will be accepted, regardless of what they believe or know what is right.   Trump is different.  he actually cares  & he does.   He took on China head on in the trade deal.   the guy has balls & he did it for us. 

%That is it in a nut shell 

That is comical 

 

[gobrowns33]

That is comical 

What is comical?  Everyone I know that supported Trump was because we were sick of career politicians (on both sides) who really don't give a #### about us.  They care about their votes and interests.  Most of these politicians have been in government positions for 30 years!  They are so out of touch with the average person.  Trump was an outsider and not a career politician.  Regardless of what has happened since...that is why most everyone I know voted for him.

 

[The Commish]

What is comical?  Everyone I know that supported Trump was because we were sick of career politicians (on both sides) who really don't give a #### about us.  They care about their votes and interests.  Most of these politicians have been in government positions for 30 years!  They are so out of touch with the average person.  Trump was an outsider and not a career politician.  Regardless of what has happened since...that is why most everyone I know voted for him.

What is your feeling on how they will vote this time around knowing that he's not any different afterall?  Will they be looking at third party?

ETA:  I know many who claimed the same thing...it was a pretty popular position.

 

[gobrowns33]

What is your feeling on how they will vote this time around knowing that he's not any different afterall?  Will they be looking at third party?

Honestly, there is about a 50/50 split.  50% are even more pro-Trump now and he can do no wrong.  They are the ones that share all the Fox News articles on facebook and things of that nature.  The other 50% is quiet and are the wild card.  I am sure many could be swayed to vote for Biden, but probably depends on the next few months with Trump and what Biden really campaigns on.

Either way, this country is just way too divided.  You have those who worship fox news, and half the stuff they spout is ridiculous, but the same goes for the far left and CNN.  The answers are somewhere in the middle, but no one is willing to go there.  I would love term limits on all politicians...overall the folks running the country are just garbage...and I work for the government haha!

 

[The Commish]

Honestly, there is about a 50/50 split.  50% are even more pro-Trump now and he can do no wrong.  They are the ones that share all the Fox News articles on facebook and things of that nature.  The other 50% is quiet and are the wild card.  I am sure many could be swayed to vote for Biden, but probably depends on the next few months with Trump and what Biden really campaigns on.

Either way, this country is just way too divided.  You have those who worship fox news, and half the stuff they spout is ridiculous, but the same goes for the far left and CNN.  The answers are somewhere in the middle, but no one is willing to go there.  I would love term limits on all politicians...overall the folks running the country are just garbage...and I work for the government haha!

Does this doubling down make you question their initial claims for "why" they voted for him?  Personally, I don't fault people for voting for him initially.  Now the evidence is there regarding what he really is.  He has work down on paper.  I sort of felt he'd be a trainwreck from the start but wasn't completely in that camp.  Now it's pretty clear and I am baffled by those who continue to provide him full throated support (most of them I know are doing so at their own personal expense/interest as he's against just about everything they claim to stand for).

 

[gobrowns33]

Does this doubling down make you question their initial claims for "why" they voted for him?  Personally, I don't fault people for voting for him initially.  Now the evidence is there regarding what he really is.  He has work down on paper.  I sort of felt he'd be a trainwreck from the start but wasn't completely in that camp.  Now it's pretty clear and I am baffled by those who continue to provide him full throated support (most of them I know are doing so at their own personal expense/interest as he's against just about everything they claim to stand for).

No, not really, we all saw potential change, a non-politician, and someone who would fight for america economically.  I think we all had perfectly good reasons to vote for him.  I thought he did some good, but then his ego, mouth, and inability to be wrong/lying ruined that.  On the second point, Trump has turned many of his supporters into full-up fox news parrots.  They are blinded by the "us" vs them (trump supporters vs far left) and it is almost like a competition (war is too harsh) over the country.  To not support him, would be to lose in some way or admit defeat....at some point you are too far in to your narrative and it is almost impossible to turn back (you start believing your lie so to speak).

EDIT: As far as my last two sentences, that is true for both the left and right.  Trump says the sky is blue and CNN/dems are in uproar and that he is lying.  If Pelosi says the sky is blue, fox news is quick to call her and democrats a liar.  Both sides are at fault and portions of the far left/right blindly follow and approve of their politicians regardless of the truth or right/wrong.

 

[The Commish]

No, not really, we all saw potential change, a non-politician, and someone who would fight for america economically.  I think we all had perfectly good reasons to vote for him.  I thought he did some good, but then his ego, mouth, and inability to be wrong/lying ruined that.  On the second point, Trump has turned many of his supporters into full-up fox news parrots.  They are blinded by the "us" vs them (trump supporters vs far left) and it is almost like a competition (war is too harsh) over the country.  To not support him, would be to lose in some way or admit defeat....at some point you are too far in to your narrative and it is almost impossible to turn back (you start believing your lie so to speak).

It saddens me (no reflection on you of course) to agree with this for the most part.  Our collective inability to admit we screwed up continues to amaze me.  It's really a major flaw we have as a country.  I'm not sure if it's always been that way or it's somewhat new in the era of social media, but there is no question it's holding us back as a country.  I'm not sure how we change it either.

 

[sho nuff]

What is comical?  Everyone I know that supported Trump was because we were sick of career politicians (on both sides) who really don't give a #### about us.  They care about their votes and interests.  Most of these politicians have been in government positions for 30 years!  They are so out of touch with the average person.  Trump was an outsider and not a career politician.  Regardless of what has happened since...that is why most everyone I know voted for him.

Comical that anyone thought Trump being an "outsider" cancelled out his years of not giving a #### about you...about only caring about his money and self interests.  The literal billionaire with gold toilets is in touch with the average person?   That is the comical part...that to fight all those things...you chose and supported and defend the guy who is least likely to really care at all or understand at all or be in touch at all.

 

[Amused to Death]

he didn't run because he needed a job, power, or money.  he ran & was elected because he was tired of the same old song & dance of people elected that wanted to further their career instead of the good of the country.  These mealy mouth politicians have  more  desire to get re-elected than to do the right thing.  they do the poll thing to see if what they say will be accepted, regardless of what they believe or know what is right.   Trump is different.  he actually cares  & he does.   He took on China head on in the trade deal.   the guy has balls & he did it for us. 

%That is it in a nut shell 

I wonder if Donald cared about the people giving their money to Trump University? Or when he was illegally using foundation money meant for cancer charities, who was he doing that for? Ya know, the same guy who ran a casino that was hit with the largest fine in history for laundering money. Who was he doing that for?

Such a swell guy.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Trump is currently being sued in a mass marketing fraud case. It’s continuing to this day:

 

[Van Dyman]

Trump is currently being sued in a mass marketing fraud case. It’s continuing to this day:

I had missed that story somehow, so thanks for posting it. Very interesting situation to follow there.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I had missed that story somehow, so thanks for posting it. Very interesting situation to follow there.

You should check out the Wiki page on Trump lawsuits. Guy must pay a ton every year to his lawyers.

 

[bigbottom]

You should check out the Wiki page on Trump lawsuits. Guy must pay a ton every year to his lawyers.

I bet he nickel and dimes them on their invoices, just like he does with the architects, general contractors and subcontractors who do work on his development projects. 

 

[gobrowns33]

Comical that anyone thought Trump being an "outsider" cancelled out his years of not giving a #### about you...about only caring about his money and self interests.  The literal billionaire with gold toilets is in touch with the average person?   That is the comical part...that to fight all those things...you chose and supported and defend the guy who is least likely to really care at all or understand at all or be in touch at all.

Fair enough, but can say the same thing about Hilary Clinton - she only cares about her interest, maybe not a billionaire, but to say she cares and is not out of touch would be comical. So they are equal in that respect. 

 

[sho nuff]

Fair enough, but can say the same thing about Hilary Clinton - she only cares about her interest, maybe not a billionaire, but to say she cares and is not out of touch would be comical. So they are equal in that respect. 

Awesome...not sure I said anything about Hillary.  Nor did I vote for her.

 

[gobrowns33]

Awesome...not sure I said anything about Hillary.  Nor did I vote for her.

Never said you did, but the whole premise of this thread is why did you support Trump.  So only logical conclusion is to compare to Clinton... Unless there is another candidate I missed.  

 

[sho nuff]

Never said you did, but the whole premise of this thread is why did you support Trump.  So only logical conclusion is to compare to Clinton... Unless there is another candidate I missed.  

But your first post wasn’t a comparison...it was claiming Trump was so different.  I pointed out how it wasn't the case...and now we came out as “yeah, but Hillary”.

 

[gobrowns33]

But your first post wasn’t a comparison...it was claiming Trump was so different.  I pointed out how it wasn't the case...and now we came out as “yeah, but Hillary”.

It doesn't really matter, but all I said he was an "outsider and not a politician" . Regardless, we will all have our different opinions...

 

[sho nuff]

It doesn't really matter, but all I said he was an "outsider and not a politician" . Regardless, we will all have our different opinions...

Sure...part of my point here is that some of us get told often that we don't understand Trump supporters and why they support him.  Part of that seems to be because we get different reasoning from Trump supporters and when questioned on it...the reasons change.  Its almost as if some Trump supporters don't really understand why they support him either when many of the reasons don't hold up to even the smallest scrutiny.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Forget character even, that can be hard to gauge when you don't actually know somebody. How about his temperament and his intelligence? I would be embarrassed to see anyone act and speak the way he does. I get voting based on issues but there were plenty of GOP nominees with similar enough issues who speak clearly and have self control. Referring back to the article posted on the last page, perhaps those blue collar Gary Cooper Eagle Scout types are a lost generation. I mean Gary Cooper did die in 1961. Maybe those kinds of values are dying out with his generation. The boomers are known as "the me generation" after all so it shouldn't be too big of a surprise to see them supporting Trump. 

Would you rather lose and suffer with quiet dignity or win with bombast?

 

[Sam Quentin]

Every single thing Donald Trump does, is to enrich Donald Trump.  He doesn’t give a flying F about a single other person.  Maybe Ivanka. 
 

He’d be wealthier and a lot less stressed if he had not run.  The Obamas and the Clinton and now apparently the Bidens have profited to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars off of their political careers...

 

[Sam Quentin]

Sure...part of my point here is that some of us get told often that we don't understand Trump supporters and why they support him.  Part of that seems to be because we get different reasoning from Trump supporters and when questioned on it...the reasons change.  Its almost as if some Trump supporters don't really understand why they support him either when many of the reasons don't hold up to even the smallest scrutiny.

Or maybe another way to say it is that Trump supporters have independent thought processes and support him for different reasons unlike others waiting to be told by their media masters the reasons to support the media’s chosen ones

 

[Ilov80s]

Would you rather lose and suffer with quiet dignity or win with bombast?

Every politician wins with bombast to some degree. That’s part of running for office- make lots of big vague promises bad and sweeping statements. People don’t win with detailed policy discussions, I don’t know what this has to do with Republicans choosing Trump to represent the Party in the election. 

 

[Zow]

I bet he nickel and dimes them on their invoices, just like he does with the architects, general contractors and subcontractors who do work on his development projects. 

Honestly I could see him saying the work shouldn't have to be monetarily compensated because of the increase in notoriety that representing him provides. 

 

[sho nuff]

Or maybe another way to say it is that Trump supporters have independent thought processes and support him for different reasons unlike others waiting to be told by their media masters the reasons to support the media’s chosen ones

Media masters?  Yeah...that isn’t a very independent thought you are using to inaccurately portray those of us who don't support him.