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Great point. The handful of exceptions obviously outweigh every other data point in the massive sample size provided by the entire history of the NFL draft. You must be really good at FF...
Keep rolling em out there every week for the next few years and we'll revisit things on your W/L record, mmmmkay?
Perfect =/= expert. HTH. Guessing your personal eyeball test over a few games is a better way to determine NFL talent? Awesome -- you should forward your résumé to all 32 teams ASAP!Then I guess Ryan Leaf is HOF bound, lol.
It is just the DynastyGuys mindset. Talent > Opportunity. Though I'm not sure why that talent evaluation is also mostly off college. Seeing a player get in the NFL and perform well, regardless of draft spot or college film, should give a significant lift IMO.
Significant lift, sure, after sustained success over a significant sample size of NFL work (which varies for people, but for me it's definitely > 100 career touches).The issue is with the herd of fools spouting off "Ellington = Jamaal Charles" or "Stacy = Emmitt Smith" after a few games. Comparing guys to HOF type talents after 40 or 70 career carries is moronic.
It seems to me that there are a whole lot of guys that weren't highly drafted that have Ben really successful in this league. If you're not willing to gamble some, then you missed out on guys like Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Priest Holmes, Fred Jackson, Marques Colston, Steve Johnson, Darren Sproles, Jamaal Charles and so many more.
Valuations change rapidly and eyeball tests count for something. Gotta move quickly to stay ahead of the curve nowadays. Definitely premature to claim guys like this as the next Emmitt or Charles, but for me at least, I read those as more stylistic comps, than predictions of similar success. Stacy does play like Emmitt and Ellington like Charles. I don't think that's unfair to say.
Obviously he is not suggesting that no player can ever be good unless he was a first round pick. But over time, I don't think that it is arguable that the majority of top players were higher draft picks.
Check hit rates of guys drafted in various rounds and then get back to me. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to link or quote the data here right now. The chances of long term FF relevance are HUGELY connected to initial draft slot. It's BY FAR a more effective data point on which to base multi-year projections than merely "looks good on a tiny number of touches." The numbers don't lie, whereas our eyes do all the freakin time.
If Stacy had top level acceleration, I think he'd be a top level back in the league. But his acceleration is a little below average I think, though his quickness and niftiness does make up for some of it. That being said, in today's NFL i'd probably take the power that gets you goalline carries over the speed that gives you long breakaway runs. Anything to avoid RBBC as much as possible.
Trying to trade Jamarcus Russell off of your dynasty team?
If you actually believe that future performance can't be predicted, FF is a rather odd hobby to participate in. As for being fun -- winning is fun. If "OMG the next Emmitt Smith" is fun for you, we probably don't have a ton to talk about.
dude, I don't read anyone saying he is the next Emmitt Smith. His style of play is being compared to Emmitt (rather than Chris Johnson, for instance). Not sure who peed in your cheerios, but there's no reason to get so bent out of shape. Good discussion being had here.
Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, and Barry Bonds combined for 2672 home runs, but, 6105 strikeouts. Obviously, they were terrible batters.
I made the Emmitt comparison. All due respect to Emmitt, but he was just an above average RB talent wise, but had great vision and the heart of a lion and ran behind maybe the greatest run blocking OL in history on a stacked team. This is from a lifetime Cowboy fan. Emmitt 's name i# never thrown around with the greatest rb's of all time. I've watched all of Stacy' s snaps as a starter and based my comparison off of body type, speed, wiggle, body lean, balance, drive/power in the pile, vision, willingness to play hurt. Just the opinion of a guy who loved Emmitt and the Boys through my youth. I am not an professional scout.
The best predictor of future performance is past performance. Stacy led the SEC in rushing therefore he has potential to do well at a higher level. You're basing potential too heavily on when teams draft guys. Teams take the draft very seriously but sometimes a majority of teams deem running back a low priority. Citing draft stats and 40 times ONLY is nonsense. Scouts make mistakes in all sports when seeing upside in raw athletes who haven't proven they have the intangibles to perform consistently.
I agree with the premise but rice is not broken down. He's not been healthy. He was great last year. 394 total yards and 8 catches in playoffs on top of his 9 reg season tds and 61 catches? He says he's healthy, buy low window will close on him. Dynasty, I might not rush to make a Stacy for rice trade, that I can agree with
That is a really stupid comment.I wonder if he believes in the tooth fairy. I need to know before I think about possibly trading him.He believes in God. I like him even better.Zac Stacy just tweeted this (https://twitter.com/ZSTACY_/status/395546297911869440); his only tweet since the game:
Jeremiah 29:11
11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
....discuss....
Teams passed on Moss because of attitude issues. The bears were looking at him around draft time and they asked Walter Payton to set up a meeting with him to evaluate his attitude, Walter agreed. Moss blew him off and never showed up to the scheduled meeting. Blew off one of the greatest football players of all time....The bears ended up passing on him.
This is what I am interested in.
please tone down the dumb, herd of fools and moronic comments.
There is no new information to be had just yet and when there is it will be posted here. However you can get the latest info from the FBG news feed, it's free.
I know. I was just joking around. This thread isn't bad. I was thinking of threads like the Ellington thread when it comes to hype generation, the Redskins name change type threads for the human interest stories, and the "I'm starting _____ over ____" thread or the "player A vs. player B threads" for the AC forum BS.
yea im deciding between miller and stacy myself leaning miller without news. Dont want to risk a 0. im hoping we hear something in the next hour and half.
