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Zac Stacy Hype Train - Rams (1 Viewer)

The NFL scouts are by no way experts in player evals. Start with Brady and go from there. I think a lot of teams passed on Randy Moss as well. There is no reason to assume a comparison of Zac with those guys but clearly we will not know Zac's ultimate value this year. Anyone trying to proclaim him a stud or a bust simply do not know and will not know today. But right now, I am buying all day on this kid. he passes the eyeball test from a FF perspective.

 


and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
Great point. The handful of exceptions obviously outweigh every other data point in the massive sample size provided by the entire history of the NFL draft. You must be really good at FF...

 


You must be really good at FF...
At least you are right about somethings. Had the top 2 rushers in the league in my lineup last week. But I 'm guessing you didn't since they weren't drafted high enough for you.

 


and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
It is just the DynastyGuys mindset. Talent > Opportunity. Though I'm not sure why that talent evaluation is also mostly off college. Seeing a player get in the NFL and perform well, regardless of draft spot or college film, should give a significant lift IMO.

 


and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
It is just the DynastyGuys mindset. Talent > Opportunity. Though I'm not sure why that talent evaluation is also mostly off college. Seeing a player get in the NFL and perform well, regardless of draft spot or college film, should give a significant lift IMO.
Significant lift, sure, after sustained success over a significant sample size of NFL work (which varies for people, but for me it's definitely > 100 career touches).The issue is with the herd of fools spouting off "Ellington = Jamaal Charles" or "Stacy = Emmitt Smith" after a few games. Comparing guys to HOF type talents after 40 or 70 career carries is moronic.

No one (not me, anyway) is saying that these guys are worthless, or that they haven't been impressive thus far. But the hype around here is obnoxious and out of control.

 
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and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
Great point. The handful of exceptions obviously outweigh every other data point in the massive sample size provided by the entire history of the NFL draft. You must be really good at FF...
It seems to me that there are a whole lot of guys that weren't highly drafted that have Ben really successful in this league. If you're not willing to gamble some, then you missed out on guys like Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Priest Holmes, Fred Jackson, Marques Colston, Steve Johnson, Darren Sproles, Jamaal Charles and so many more.

 


and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
It is just the DynastyGuys mindset. Talent > Opportunity. Though I'm not sure why that talent evaluation is also mostly off college. Seeing a player get in the NFL and perform well, regardless of draft spot or college film, should give a significant lift IMO.
Significant lift, sure, after sustained success over a significant sample size of NFL work (which varies for people, but for me it's definitely > 100 career touches).The issue is with the herd of fools spouting off "Ellington = Jamaal Charles" or "Stacy = Emmitt Smith" after a few games. Comparing guys to HOF type talents after 40 or 70 career carries is moronic.

No one (not me, anyway) is saying that these guys are worthless, or that they haven't been impressive thus far. But the hype around here is obnoxious and out of control.
Valuations change rapidly and eyeball tests count for something. Gotta move quickly to stay ahead of the curve nowadays. Definitely premature to claim guys like this as the next Emmitt or Charles, but for me at least, I read those as more stylistic comps, than predictions of similar success. Stacy does play like Emmitt and Ellington like Charles. I don't think that's unfair to say.

 


and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
Great point. The handful of exceptions obviously outweigh every other data point in the massive sample size provided by the entire history of the NFL draft. You must be really good at FF...
It seems to me that there are a whole lot of guys that weren't highly drafted that have Ben really successful in this league. If you're not willing to gamble some, then you missed out on guys like Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Priest Holmes, Fred Jackson, Marques Colston, Steve Johnson, Darren Sproles, Jamaal Charles and so many more.
Obviously he is not suggesting that no player can ever be good unless he was a first round pick. But over time, I don't think that it is arguable that the majority of top players were higher draft picks.

 


and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
Great point. The handful of exceptions obviously outweigh every other data point in the massive sample size provided by the entire history of the NFL draft. You must be really good at FF...
It seems to me that there are a whole lot of guys that weren't highly drafted that have Ben really successful in this league. If you're not willing to gamble some, then you missed out on guys like Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Priest Holmes, Fred Jackson, Marques Colston, Steve Johnson, Darren Sproles, Jamaal Charles and so many more.
Check hit rates of guys drafted in various rounds and then get back to me. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to link or quote the data here right now. The chances of long term FF relevance are HUGELY connected to initial draft slot. It's BY FAR a more effective data point on which to base multi-year projections than merely "looks good on a tiny number of touches." The numbers don't lie, whereas our eyes do all the freakin time.

Taking Ellington or Stacy as a 3rd round rookie flyer = smart. Banking on (or investing in them @ the equivalent value) them holding down major roles moving forward = dumb. Hence, sell high time. YMMV.

 


and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
It is just the DynastyGuys mindset. Talent > Opportunity. Though I'm not sure why that talent evaluation is also mostly off college. Seeing a player get in the NFL and perform well, regardless of draft spot or college film, should give a significant lift IMO.
Significant lift, sure, after sustained success over a significant sample size of NFL work (which varies for people, but for me it's definitely > 100 career touches).The issue is with the herd of fools spouting off "Ellington = Jamaal Charles" or "Stacy = Emmitt Smith" after a few games. Comparing guys to HOF type talents after 40 or 70 career carries is moronic.

No one (not me, anyway) is saying that these guys are worthless, or that they haven't been impressive thus far. But the hype around here is obnoxious and out of control.
Valuations change rapidly and eyeball tests count for something. Gotta move quickly to stay ahead of the curve nowadays. Definitely premature to claim guys like this as the next Emmitt or Charles, but for me at least, I read those as more stylistic comps, than predictions of similar success. Stacy does play like Emmitt and Ellington like Charles. I don't think that's unfair to say.
Exactly, me too.

 
I noticed a lack of acceleration from Stacy when a hole opened up. But he did have a nice shake and bake to make the initial tackler miss.

 
I noticed a lack of acceleration from Stacy when a hole opened up. But he did have a nice shake and bake to make the initial tackler miss.
If Stacy had top level acceleration, I think he'd be a top level back in the league. But his acceleration is a little below average I think, though his quickness and niftiness does make up for some of it. That being said, in today's NFL i'd probably take the power that gets you goalline carries over the speed that gives you long breakaway runs. Anything to avoid RBBC as much as possible.

And I like the comparisons to Emmitt. Problem is, the Rams in no way resemble the Cowboys.

 


and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
Great point. The handful of exceptions obviously outweigh every other data point in the massive sample size provided by the entire history of the NFL draft. You must be really good at FF...
It seems to me that there are a whole lot of guys that weren't highly drafted that have Ben really successful in this league. If you're not willing to gamble some, then you missed out on guys like Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Priest Holmes, Fred Jackson, Marques Colston, Steve Johnson, Darren Sproles, Jamaal Charles and so many more.
Check hit rates of guys drafted in various rounds and then get back to me. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to link or quote the data here right now. The chances of long term FF relevance are HUGELY connected to initial draft slot. It's BY FAR a more effective data point on which to base multi-year projections than merely "looks good on a tiny number of touches." The numbers don't lie, whereas our eyes do all the freakin time.

Taking Ellington or Stacy as a 3rd round rookie flyer = smart. Banking on (or investing in them @ the equivalent value) them holding down major roles moving forward = dumb. Hence, sell high time. YMMV.
Trying to trade Jamarcus Russell off of your dynasty team?

Good/great/lasting players come from all over the draft board.... you're dumb as a bag of hammers if you don't believe that.

Saying a guy "looks like Emmitt Smith out there" is not saying that he will be the NFL's next all-time leading rusher. In fact if somebody would have said that about Emmitt Smith in his rookie season your dad probably would have jumped all over him too.

These things cannot be predicted or dismissed... just gotta let them play out. It's supposed to be FUN to speculate on things like this... once you realize that you might even begin to enjoy these threads.

 
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and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
Great point. The handful of exceptions obviously outweigh every other data point in the massive sample size provided by the entire history of the NFL draft. You must be really good at FF...
It seems to me that there are a whole lot of guys that weren't highly drafted that have Ben really successful in this league. If you're not willing to gamble some, then you missed out on guys like Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Priest Holmes, Fred Jackson, Marques Colston, Steve Johnson, Darren Sproles, Jamaal Charles and so many more.
Check hit rates of guys drafted in various rounds and then get back to me. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to link or quote the data here right now. The chances of long term FF relevance are HUGELY connected to initial draft slot. It's BY FAR a more effective data point on which to base multi-year projections than merely "looks good on a tiny number of touches." The numbers don't lie, whereas our eyes do all the freakin time.Taking Ellington or Stacy as a 3rd round rookie flyer = smart. Banking on (or investing in them @ the equivalent value) them holding down major roles moving forward = dumb. Hence, sell high time. YMMV.
Trying to trade Jamarcus Russell off of your dynasty team?

Good/great/lasting players come from all over the draft board.... you're dumb as a bag of hammers if you don't believe that.

Saying a guy "looks like Emmitt Smith out there" is not saying that he will be the NFL's next all-time leading rusher. In fact if somebody would have said that about Emmitt Smith in his rookie season your dad probably would have jumped all over him too.

These things cannot be predicted or dismissed... just gotta let them play out. It's supposed to be FUN to speculate on things like this... once you realize that you might even begin to enjoy these threads.
If you actually believe that future performance can't be predicted, FF is a rather odd hobby to participate in. As for being fun -- winning is fun. If "OMG the next Emmitt Smith" is fun for you, we probably don't have a ton to talk about.

 
I noticed a lack of acceleration from Stacy when a hole opened up. But he did have a nice shake and bake to make the initial tackler miss.
If Stacy had top level acceleration, I think he'd be a top level back in the league. But his acceleration is a little below average I think, though his quickness and niftiness does make up for some of it. That being said, in today's NFL i'd probably take the power that gets you goalline carries over the speed that gives you long breakaway runs. Anything to avoid RBBC as much as possible.

And I like the comparisons to Emmitt. Problem is, the Rams in no way resemble the Cowboys.
 


and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
Great point. The handful of exceptions obviously outweigh every other data point in the massive sample size provided by the entire history of the NFL draft. You must be really good at FF...
It seems to me that there are a whole lot of guys that weren't highly drafted that have Ben really successful in this league. If you're not willing to gamble some, then you missed out on guys like Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Priest Holmes, Fred Jackson, Marques Colston, Steve Johnson, Darren Sproles, Jamaal Charles and so many more.
Check hit rates of guys drafted in various rounds and then get back to me. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to link or quote the data here right now. The chances of long term FF relevance are HUGELY connected to initial draft slot. It's BY FAR a more effective data point on which to base multi-year projections than merely "looks good on a tiny number of touches." The numbers don't lie, whereas our eyes do all the freakin time.Taking Ellington or Stacy as a 3rd round rookie flyer = smart. Banking on (or investing in them @ the equivalent value) them holding down major roles moving forward = dumb. Hence, sell high time. YMMV.
Trying to trade Jamarcus Russell off of your dynasty team?

Good/great/lasting players come from all over the draft board.... you're dumb as a bag of hammers if you don't believe that.

Saying a guy "looks like Emmitt Smith out there" is not saying that he will be the NFL's next all-time leading rusher. In fact if somebody would have said that about Emmitt Smith in his rookie season your dad probably would have jumped all over him too.

These things cannot be predicted or dismissed... just gotta let them play out. It's supposed to be FUN to speculate on things like this... once you realize that you might even begin to enjoy these threads.
If you actually believe that future performance can't be predicted, FF is a rather odd hobby to participate in. As for being fun -- winning is fun. If "OMG the next Emmitt Smith" is fun for you, we probably don't have a ton to talk about.
dude, I don't read anyone saying he is the next Emmitt Smith. His style of play is being compared to Emmitt (rather than Chris Johnson, for instance). Not sure who peed in your cheerios, but there's no reason to get so bent out of shape. Good discussion being had here.

 
I noticed a lack of acceleration from Stacy when a hole opened up. But he did have a nice shake and bake to make the initial tackler miss.
If Stacy had top level acceleration, I think he'd be a top level back in the league. But his acceleration is a little below average I think, though his quickness and niftiness does make up for some of it. That being said, in today's NFL i'd probably take the power that gets you goalline carries over the speed that gives you long breakaway runs. Anything to avoid RBBC as much as possible.

And I like the comparisons to Emmitt. Problem is, the Rams in no way resemble the Cowboys.
Good point. I have been thinking he looks more like Jerome Bettis.

 


and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
It is just the DynastyGuys mindset. Talent > Opportunity. Though I'm not sure why that talent evaluation is also mostly off college. Seeing a player get in the NFL and perform well, regardless of draft spot or college film, should give a significant lift IMO.
Significant lift, sure, after sustained success over a significant sample size of NFL work (which varies for people, but for me it's definitely > 100 career touches).The issue is with the herd of fools spouting off "Ellington = Jamaal Charles" or "Stacy = Emmitt Smith" after a few games. Comparing guys to HOF type talents after 40 or 70 career carries is moronic.

No one (not me, anyway) is saying that these guys are worthless, or that they haven't been impressive thus far. But the hype around here is obnoxious and out of control.
I made the Emmitt comparison. All due respect to Emmitt, but he was just an above average RB talent wise, but had great vision and the heart of a lion and ran behind maybe the greatest run blocking OL in history on a stacked team. This is from a lifetime Cowboy fan. Emmitt 's name i# never thrown around with the greatest rb's of all time. I've watched all of Stacy' s snaps as a starter and based my comparison off of body type, speed, wiggle, body lean, balance, drive/power in the pile, vision, willingness to play hurt. Just the opinion of a guy who loved Emmitt and the Boys through my youth. I am not an professional scout.
 
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With all the busts the Rams have chosen over the past decade, they are due some luck with this guy.

 
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and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
Great point. The handful of exceptions obviously outweigh every other data point in the massive sample size provided by the entire history of the NFL draft. You must be really good at FF...
It seems to me that there are a whole lot of guys that weren't highly drafted that have Ben really successful in this league. If you're not willing to gamble some, then you missed out on guys like Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Priest Holmes, Fred Jackson, Marques Colston, Steve Johnson, Darren Sproles, Jamaal Charles and so many more.
Check hit rates of guys drafted in various rounds and then get back to me. I'm on my phone so I'm not going to link or quote the data here right now. The chances of long term FF relevance are HUGELY connected to initial draft slot. It's BY FAR a more effective data point on which to base multi-year projections than merely "looks good on a tiny number of touches." The numbers don't lie, whereas our eyes do all the freakin time.Taking Ellington or Stacy as a 3rd round rookie flyer = smart. Banking on (or investing in them @ the equivalent value) them holding down major roles moving forward = dumb. Hence, sell high time. YMMV.
Trying to trade Jamarcus Russell off of your dynasty team?

Good/great/lasting players come from all over the draft board.... you're dumb as a bag of hammers if you don't believe that.

Saying a guy "looks like Emmitt Smith out there" is not saying that he will be the NFL's next all-time leading rusher. In fact if somebody would have said that about Emmitt Smith in his rookie season your dad probably would have jumped all over him too.

These things cannot be predicted or dismissed... just gotta let them play out. It's supposed to be FUN to speculate on things like this... once you realize that you might even begin to enjoy these threads.
If you actually believe that future performance can't be predicted, FF is a rather odd hobby to participate in. As for being fun -- winning is fun. If "OMG the next Emmitt Smith" is fun for you, we probably don't have a ton to talk about.
The best predictor of future performance is past performance. Stacy led the SEC in rushing therefore he has potential to do well at a higher level. You're basing potential too heavily on when teams draft guys. Teams take the draft very seriously but sometimes a majority of teams deem running back a low priority. Citing draft stats and 40 times ONLY is nonsense. Scouts make mistakes in all sports when seeing upside in raw athletes who haven't proven they have the intangibles to perform consistently.

In baseball, I can give u a good list of hall of famers taken in the 15th round or later.

In football, Running backs are simply not taken as high as they used to be.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000264481/article/running-backs-playing-reduced-role-but-dont-discount-position

 
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Looks like he put in a very limited practice today. That can only be a good sign for his availability this weekend.

 
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A player's status and production once in the NFL is a far greater predicter of future success than his draft position. Most guys drafted in the 5th or 6th rounds are lucky to be on a team in 2 years.

In a keeper or dynasty league, you never end up with guys like this because it's already too late by the time the sample size is large enough to confirm they're legit. Now it's already probably too late to buy. But it seems foolish to sell for just any old RB too. Why would I want a guy like Rice who looks old and broken down and has maybe one more year of starting when I am getting better production right now from Stacy and Ellington and could have that production for a lot longer than just next year if things play out right?

Now if you're talking Frank Gore, Marshawn Lynch or some other veteran RB that is a little bit older but still clearly outperforming guys like Stacy and Ellington, then it's a different situation. But an old broken down RB like Rice that has shown signs of slowing down since last season? No way do I make that trade as a Stacy owner in a keeper or dynasty league.

 
A player's status and production once in the NFL is a far greater predicter of future success than his draft position. Most guys drafted in the 5th or 6th rounds are lucky to be on a team in 2 years.

In a keeper or dynasty league, you never end up with guys like this because it's already too late by the time the sample size is large enough to confirm they're legit. Now it's already probably too late to buy. But it seems foolish to sell for just any old RB too. Why would I want a guy like Rice who looks old and broken down and has maybe one more year of starting when I am getting better production right now from Stacy and Ellington and could have that production for a lot longer than just next year if things play out right?

Now if you're talking Frank Gore, Marshawn Lynch or some other veteran RB that is a little bit older but still clearly outperforming guys like Stacy and Ellington, then it's a different situation. But an old broken down RB like Rice that has shown signs of slowing down since last season? No way do I make that trade as a Stacy owner in a keeper or dynasty league.
I agree with the premise but rice is not broken down. He's not been healthy. He was great last year. 394 total yards and 8 catches in playoffs on top of his 9 reg season tds and 61 catches? He says he's healthy, buy low window will close on him. Dynasty, I might not rush to make a Stacy for rice trade, that I can agree with
 
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Zac Stacy just tweeted this (https://twitter.com/ZSTACY_/status/395546297911869440); his only tweet since the game:

Jeremiah 29:11

11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

....discuss....

:shrug:
He believes in God. I like him even better.
I wonder if he believes in the tooth fairy. I need to know before I think about possibly trading him.
That is a really stupid comment. :crazy:

 
The NFL scouts are by no way experts in player evals. Start with Brady and go from there. I think a lot of teams passed on Randy Moss as well. There is no reason to assume a comparison of Zac with those guys but clearly we will not know Zac's ultimate value this year. Anyone trying to proclaim him a stud or a bust simply do not know and will not know today. But right now, I am buying all day on this kid. he passes the eyeball test from a FF perspective.
Teams passed on Moss because of attitude issues. The bears were looking at him around draft time and they asked Walter Payton to set up a meeting with him to evaluate his attitude, Walter agreed. Moss blew him off and never showed up to the scheduled meeting. Blew off one of the greatest football players of all time....The bears ended up passing on him.

 
Goooals said:
To get away from the RB comparisons, what can we expect this weekend? Will he play? If he does, will he be limited?
This is what I am interested in.

Looking at this FF website for FF relevant information.
Ooooh... yeah... somebody must have misled you. This forum is strictly geared towards hype generation, links to human interest stories, and thinly veiled AC questions.

 


and every franchise passing on the guy time after time is a massive and legitimate reason to temper expectations.
Tom Brady and Terrell Davis say hi.
It is just the DynastyGuys mindset. Talent > Opportunity. Though I'm not sure why that talent evaluation is also mostly off college. Seeing a player get in the NFL and perform well, regardless of draft spot or college film, should give a significant lift IMO.
Significant lift, sure, after sustained success over a significant sample size of NFL work (which varies for people, but for me it's definitely > 100 career touches).The issue is with the herd of fools spouting off "Ellington = Jamaal Charles" or "Stacy = Emmitt Smith" after a few games. Comparing guys to HOF type talents after 40 or 70 career carries is moronic.

No one (not me, anyway) is saying that these guys are worthless, or that they haven't been impressive thus far. But the hype around here is obnoxious and out of control.
please tone down the dumb, herd of fools and moronic comments.

you need to find a way to make your point without attacking and name calling.

saying a player may have some similarities is not the same as saying they are identical in a one to one correspondence sense, obviously...

 
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Goooals said:
To get away from the RB comparisons, what can we expect this weekend? Will he play? If he does, will he be limited?
This is what I am interested in.

Looking at this FF website for FF relevant information.
Ooooh... yeah... somebody must have misled you. This forum is strictly geared towards hype generation, links to human interest stories, and thinly veiled AC questions.
There is no new information to be had just yet and when there is it will be posted here. However you can get the latest info from the FBG news feed, it's free.

My projections for him this weekend are that he will play and be limited by the ankle so I am only projecting a modest 857 attempts for 10,284 yards and 67 TDs.

 
Goooals said:
To get away from the RB comparisons, what can we expect this weekend? Will he play? If he does, will he be limited?
This is what I am interested in.

Looking at this FF website for FF relevant information.
Ooooh... yeah... somebody must have misled you. This forum is strictly geared towards hype generation, links to human interest stories, and thinly veiled AC questions.
There is no new information to be had just yet and when there is it will be posted here. However you can get the latest info from the FBG news feed, it's free.

My projections for him this weekend are that he will play and be limited by the ankle so I am only projecting a modest 857 attempts for 10,284 yards and 67 TDs.
I know. I was just joking around. This thread isn't bad. I was thinking of threads like the Ellington thread when it comes to hype generation, the Redskins name change type threads for the human interest stories, and the "I'm starting _____ over ____" thread or the "player A vs. player B threads" for the AC forum BS.

 
Digging around myself -- have to flex Gio/Miller/Stacy. Leaning stacy, but without news, I might have to consider Gio.
yea im deciding between miller and stacy myself leaning miller without news. Dont want to risk a 0. im hoping we hear something in the next hour and half.

 
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