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Zac Stacy Hype Train - Rams (1 Viewer)

discountdoublecheck said:
I grabbed him in dynasty so I'll hold on. I like the talent but the brutal schedule and the o-line make him trade bait for redraft.
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You might want to sell high regardless of league structure. That has been my plan since the draft. If you do keep him in dynasty then be sure to scoop up Benny Cunningham as a HC that may have more upside than Stacy. My other fear is that the Rams will bring in a FA next season like the Colts did with Ballard.

 
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Thinking of dropping for Ball. Redraft.

Been brutal chasing RBs on the waiver all year. Jackson and Dmac taking up space. Been riding Ellington and Powell for weeks.

 
People are very impatient. He's a hold right now - sure there are issues with the STL running game, but that first game was encouraging, and we know that Fisher has a tendency to roll with a feature back. His ceiling might be capped a bit in redraft, but if he keeps the starting job, he looks like solid roster depth to me, and could become startable with a bit of luck.

 
downsouth said:
Thinking of dropping for Ball. Redraft.

Been brutal chasing RBs on the waiver all year. Jackson and Dmac taking up space. Been riding Ellington and Powell for weeks.
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:confused: Ball appears to be the third pony in the pecking order. Do you know something we don't?

 
tdhartis said:
Okay, so I just went back and watched all of Stacy's runs from the JAX game. Here are my thoughts and observations:

Stacy ran hard. He broke tackles on multiple plays, and didn't get knocked down after first contact. He showed good drive and fought for tough yardage. His speed isn't anything to write home about, but I was I came away impressed. After watching his Vanderbilt highlights I thought he was slow, but it appears he has improved since entering the NFL. Not a world beater, but adequate for his style of play.

Most of his his runs were to the left (50%) behind the two veteran 1st rounders, versus the middle (29%) and right (21%). His longer plays (5yds+) were run to the left (4), middle (2), and right (1) respectively. He followed his blocks well, but didn't exhibit much elusiveness in the form of making guys miss. He didn't break off to the sidelines during an of his runs. It was all very much downhill. He is the foil to Richardson.

Last week I watched all of the RBs touches, besides Richardson's, leading up to this past game. Cumulatively, it was by far the best run-blocking the line has exhibited in one game this season. Stacy had holes to run through, and in all of the previous weeks that was far from the case. The backs in weeks 1-3 were commonly hit in the backfield or ran into a log jam at the LOS. This didn't happen nearly as often, and it was reflected in both his numbers and Richardson's. How much of this is attributable to the porous Jags run defense v. the Rams o-line is hard to determine.

He was targeted on one pass play as Bradford's check-down. It was incomplete, as it was tipped at the LOS and uncatchable. Not a personal observation, but others noted that pre-injury he was in on 3rd down and passing situations, and was impressive in pass-pro. That suggests he could see more receptions in the future. FWIW he had 46 total receptions in 4 years at Vandy, averaging 15/season in the last 2yrs. His college career doesn't indicate catching is a strong suit.

My outlook is slightly more optimistic v. my previous comments today after watching the tape. However, I would temper expectations as the improved line play was the largest reason behind the running game's success, and St. Louis has an unfavorable schedule v. some adequate to tough run defenses through the rest of the season. That, coupled with the Ram's subpar defense and constant playing from behind are the two red flags for Stacy from here on out.
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Excellent insight and analysis and appreciated. I also believe that the rams running game production was inflated by the porous jags defense.

Wth that said, I think that the MOST important thing here to note is that Stacy and drich both played yesterday against the same defense and from a production context Stacy way outperformed drich.

And it any be said that when drich was in the game the defense knew it woul be a run play so they stacked the box BC drich is more of a cop and pass catching back than Stacy. If anything, it would be the opposite.

I feel that the rams have found their starter or the rest of the year in Stacy unless he totally implodes. A few more games before he has a true breakout game though.

 
Saffold is a boost to the pass protection. And that can mean more drives extended and more red zone opportunities for the running game.

 
RushHour said:
People are very impatient. He's a hold right now - sure there are issues with the STL running game, but that first game was encouraging, and we know that Fisher has a tendency to roll with a feature back. His ceiling might be capped a bit in redraft, but if he keeps the starting job, he looks like solid roster depth to me, and could become startable with a bit of luck.
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Hold? I think he was just picked up by most people
 
flapgreen said:
RushHour said:
People are very impatient. He's a hold right now - sure there are issues with the STL running game, but that first game was encouraging, and we know that Fisher has a tendency to roll with a feature back. His ceiling might be capped a bit in redraft, but if he keeps the starting job, he looks like solid roster depth to me, and could become startable with a bit of luck.
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Hold? I think he was just picked up by most people
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I think a good amount of people have been stashing him since the Daryl Richardson tweet last week or picked him up last minute Sunday when he was announced as starter.

 
pollardsvision said:
RGIII HTTR said:
pollardsvision said:
Nobody else to drop besides Tate?

I'm fairly optimistic about Stacy, but I don't think I could drop Tate for him.
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I'm fishing for a real 3rd RB, I have Tate, Matthews, P. Thomas and McGahee. I like that Fisher came out and made the comments he did and the Foster owner just doesn't seem interesting in getting Tate at all. Maybe I don't really need Stacy, but if he's the man...20 carries is not out the realm, right?
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Oh man, that's a tough call.

I think Matthews, McGahee, Pierre and Stacy are likely to be very similar. Starters that will get you some guaranteed touches, but will underwhelm most weeks.

Because of that, if it were me, the one guy I wouldn't drop would be Tate. He's got the most upside of the 4.
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You talked me off the ledge...didn't make the move. Being in desperation mode to find a bonafide 3rd RB can make someone lose patience and jump at the word GO. After reading your comments, decided that they were all similar at this point so it would have been making a move to just make a move. Not the best recipe for success!

Thanks 4 your $.02, it was helpful and appreciated.

 
RGIII HTTR said:
pollardsvision said:
RGIII HTTR said:
pollardsvision said:
Nobody else to drop besides Tate?

I'm fairly optimistic about Stacy, but I don't think I could drop Tate for him.
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I'm fishing for a real 3rd RB, I have Tate, Matthews, P. Thomas and McGahee. I like that Fisher came out and made the comments he did and the Foster owner just doesn't seem interesting in getting Tate at all. Maybe I don't really need Stacy, but if he's the man...20 carries is not out the realm, right?
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Oh man, that's a tough call.

I think Matthews, McGahee, Pierre and Stacy are likely to be very similar. Starters that will get you some guaranteed touches, but will underwhelm most weeks.

Because of that, if it were me, the one guy I wouldn't drop would be Tate. He's got the most upside of the 4.
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You talked me off the ledge...didn't make the move. Being in desperation mode to find a bonafide 3rd RB can make someone lose patience and jump at the word GO. After reading your comments, decided that they were all similar at this point so it would have been making a move to just make a move. Not the best recipe for success!

Thanks 4 your $.02, it was helpful and appreciated.
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I'm with you, since I also thought about dropping McGahee for Stacy to get a better RB3 (and I only have to start one), but kept McGahee instead.

 
So Stacy has already earned the starting role for this week vs. HOU. What does this mean for his value, redraft and dynasty. Do people feel he will hold onto this job the remainder of the year?

All of the reports say he was the best RB on the field last week.

 
jurb26 said:
So Stacy has already earned the starting role for this week vs. HOU. What does this mean for his value, redraft and dynasty. Do people feel he will hold onto this job the remainder of the year?

All of the reports say he was the best RB on the field last week.
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Redraft, it means he is a decent flex play this week. Past that, if he does well then he could move his way up to low-end RB2 status. If he does okay to poor--but still better than the other RBs--then he stays a flex (think DRich's value while a starter). Dynasty, I don't see much value as I think the Rams will almost certainly look for their future RB in the next draft. If you have long benches and can afford the spot for him then I suppose he is a stash.

 
tdhartis said:
jurb26 said:
So Stacy has already earned the starting role for this week vs. HOU. What does this mean for his value, redraft and dynasty. Do people feel he will hold onto this job the remainder of the year?

All of the reports say he was the best RB on the field last week.
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Redraft, it means he is a decent flex play this week. Past that, if he does well then he could move his way up to low-end RB2 status. If he does okay to poor--but still better than the other RBs--then he stays a flex (think DRich's value while a starter). Dynasty, I don't see much value as I think the Rams will almost certainly look for their future RB in the next draft. If you have long benches and can afford the spot for him then I suppose he is a stash.
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The amount of picks St. L holds for next year scare me on his value in dynasty for sure. That said, I'm not sure St. L opus going to be looking to draft RB early. There is still a lot of holes on that roster that are far more critical than RB IMO. WR1 being the largest perhaps.
 
jurb26 said:
The amount of picks St. L holds for next year scare me on his value in dynasty for sure. That said, I'm not sure St. L opus going to be looking to draft RB early. There is still a lot of holes on that roster that are far more critical than RB IMO. WR1 being the largest perhaps.
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It's pure speculation at this point, but I would bet good money that none of the RBs on their roster are their starter next year. Whether they acquire that future RB through the draft or free agency (Tate?) is anyone's guess, but I believe they will do it. Most teams don't take RBs in the 5th round to be their future feature. Finally, take a look at the Ram's (Faulk-->Jackson) and Fisher's (Eddie George -->CJ) history of having a featured back. They value talent.

 
tdhartis said:
jurb26 said:
The amount of picks St. L holds for next year scare me on his value in dynasty for sure. That said, I'm not sure St. L opus going to be looking to draft RB early. There is still a lot of holes on that roster that are far more critical than RB IMO. WR1 being the largest perhaps.
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It's pure speculation at this point, but I would bet good money that none of the RBs on their roster are their starter next year. Whether they acquire that future RB through the draft or free agency (Tate?) is anyone's guess, but I believe they will do it. Most teams don't take RBs in the 5th round to be their future feature. Finally, take a look at the Ram's (Faulk-->Jackson) and Fisher's (Eddie George -->CJ) history of having a featured back. They value talent.
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Well, Stacy seems to have an opp to showcase his talent. It won't matter that he was drafted in the 5th if he impresses. The question is, can he do enough to prevent St. L from doing your speculation? We will see I guess.
 
jurb26 said:
Well, Stacy seems to have an opp to showcase his talent. It won't matter that he was drafted in the 5th if he impresses. The question is, can he do enough to prevent St. L from doing your speculation? We will see I guess.
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I think this is more of an audition to be the feature back this year more than anything. Sure, he could amaze and somehow conjure some great ability he didn't showcase in college, but the odds are greatly stacked against him. For one, he's not an elite talent and anyone that has watched his tape can see that. His draft grade and location also show this. Furthermore, he likely isn't going to be given a fair shot regardless, since his O-line is a piece of crap and so is the defense that will have them playing from behind most of the time and having to throw 40+ times a game. You asked what "people feel" about his prospects. I feel like he has the best chance of the bunch to hold the starting job this year. I also feel that anyone counting on him to be the starting RB in St. Louis next year is naive.

 
tdhartis said:
jurb26 said:
Well, Stacy seems to have an opp to showcase his talent. It won't matter that he was drafted in the 5th if he impresses. The question is, can he do enough to prevent St. L from doing your speculation? We will see I guess.
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I think this is more of an audition to be the feature back this year more than anything. Sure, he could amaze and somehow conjure some great ability he didn't showcase in college, but the odds are greatly stacked against him. For one, he's not an elite talent and anyone that has watched his tape can see that. His draft grade and location also show this. Furthermore, he likely isn't going to be given a fair shot regardless, since his O-line is a piece of crap and so is the defense that will have them playing from behind most of the time and having to throw 40+ times a game. You asked what "people feel" about his prospects. I feel like he has the best chance of the bunch to hold the starting job this year. I also feel that anyone counting on him to be the starting RB in St. Louis next year is naive.
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I don't think anyone is counting on Stacy for anything. Its more about being ahead of the market on where his value will be. He was a WW pick up in most red rafts and a late pick in most dynasty leagues. He's already surpassed his buying price at this point. The question is how much higher does he get and when to sell if you care too.
 
I'd say in redraft, package him and upgrade a position on your roster in the coming weeks if he manages 2-3 good games, and hold out longer in dynasty and sell later in the season to an optimistic owner if he does well. Regardless, if he gains any value then I think he's a sell in dynasty. I don't see him starting next year, so if you can find an owner thinking he might then it'd be better to sell and let him take that risk then hold and watch his value possibly plummet.

:2cents:

 
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4.3 ypc plus 2 rec for 11 yards for 90 yards overall. He looked really tough to bring down on quite a few of his carries, and found a way to extend plays for an extra yard or 2 on his runs up the middle. I still think people are jumping the gun a bit on saying he has no or minimal value in the future. Maybe. But 2 starts, 2 good impressions.

 
Any thoughts on last week's game tdhartis or Biabreakable? Would appreciate knowing what you saw against JAX!

Or anyone else. :)

 
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Slapdash said:
Any thoughts on last week's game tdhartis or Biabreakable? Would appreciate knowing what you saw against JAX!

Or anyone else. :)
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He looks the part; built real low to the ground, like a Ray Rice, which makes it harder for a defender to get a good shot on him. Was impressive getting thru and around would be tacklers in the Houston game. Couldn't get a great gauge on speed since he never really got into the open field. Looks quick enough though. Caught two balls on the move too which was nice to see, looked pretty natural.Rams look like they might be moving away from the spread it out idea which I just don't think Brian Shottenheimer had a clue how to execute, and going to a more basic, pro style offense. Used a lot of two TE sets Sunday, power runs, etc... Wouldn't be surprised to see Givens and Quick start getting deep targets off play action.

 
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If the volume is there (carries), I can see this guy producing. Picked him up in a few leagues, think he might catch fire. Not starting him immediately but he's good depth with upside, imo.

 
ive posted this in the other short lived stacy thread, but he has been very elusive. he already has 7 missed tackles in his limited carries (33?). 7 is quite a bit, especially on this rams team. I think his leash is short but if he does well against carolina, that i believe will cement his role as a rb2, even with his brutal schedule. he will get the volume, he can catch passes and is likely the goal line back (even though they throw it a ton there anyway). Hopefully this thread is hopping after sundays game.

 
That hurt when he got tackled at the one foot line. Then stupid Schottenheimer calls for a pass on 4th and inches.

 
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