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Fantasy Analysis | August 20, 2013 1:07 pmWith Daryl Richardson starting, Fisher non-committal on backups
by Dave Richard | Senior Fantasy Writer
Rams coach Jeff Fisher said Monday that he thought Daryl Richardson "would probably take the first snap against Arizona," effectively naming him the starting back. But he had an interesting take on the race to back up Richardson.
"As far as who’s going to come in (second), that remains to be seen," Fisher said. "We still have some more evaluating to do. ... It's consistency, and it's not just the game. It's consistency on the practice field, understanding, first and foremost, probably how to play without the football. For us, that's more important than how he plays with the football. By that I mean, is getting to the right place in the passing game? Is he proficient, and does he know exactly what to do in protection? Once you get that down, then we'll evaluate the run skills."
Isaiah Pead and rookie Zac Stacy are competing for the spot. Pead underwhelmed in the Rams' second preseason game and fumbled the ball away in the first. He's also suspended for the team's Week 1 game against the Cardinals. Stacy averaged 3.3 yards over seven attempts in the Rams' first preseason action but missed the second game with a leg injury.
Pead had every opportunity to close the door on Stacy last week and didn't do it. If he doesn't do it against the Broncos on Saturday then Stacy -- or perhaps another back on the roster -- could leapfrog him. Whoever helps Richardson with the rushing workload is worth a late pick in Fantasy drafts. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1664982/zac-stacy
Fisher is referencing the week 1 Arizona game in the above article. Pead isn't available week one, of course he won't be the top backup as he won't be on the field.Fantasy Analysis | August 20, 2013 1:07 pm
With Daryl Richardson starting, Fisher non-committal on backups
by Dave Richard | Senior Fantasy Writer
Rams coach Jeff Fisher said Monday that he thought Daryl Richardson "would probably take the first snap against Arizona," effectively naming him the starting back. But he had an interesting take on the race to back up Richardson.
"As far as whos going to come in (second), that remains to be seen," Fisher said. "We still have some more evaluating to do. ... It's consistency, and it's not just the game. It's consistency on the practice field, understanding, first and foremost, probably how to play without the football. For us, that's more important than how he plays with the football. By that I mean, is getting to the right place in the passing game? Is he proficient, and does he know exactly what to do in protection? Once you get that down, then we'll evaluate the run skills."
Isaiah Pead and rookie Zac Stacy are competing for the spot. Pead underwhelmed in the Rams' second preseason game and fumbled the ball away in the first. He's also suspended for the team's Week 1 game against the Cardinals. Stacy averaged 3.3 yards over seven attempts in the Rams' first preseason action but missed the second game with a leg injury.
Pead had every opportunity to close the door on Stacy last week and didn't do it. If he doesn't do it against the Broncos on Saturday then Stacy -- or perhaps another back on the roster -- could leapfrog him. Whoever helps Richardson with the rushing workload is worth a late pick in Fantasy drafts. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1664982/zac-stacy
He's a rookie who needs experience, they aren't giving their 5th round rookie superstar type preseason treatment so he can rest.It says a few other things than that also.
I have been waiting to read this somewhere else, but I will go ahead and say it since I have not seen it yet.
Is Zac Stacy injured? He was held out for general soreness is what they say. He didn't practice, so he didn't play week 2.
Is this the kind of way you treat your back ups fighting for jobs? To let them rest because they have some soreness? That seems like the kind of thing you do with a RB that you want fresh for the start of the season, because you plan to use them quite a bit.
If the Rams sit their starters for the 4th preseason game and Stacy plays a majority of the snaps, the kid may have to go on IR do to playing so much.
I like this moveTraded Stacy this morning for Markus Wheaton. 16 Team salary/contract/idp. Both were taken early second round in the rookie draft. But, at this point, I feel Stacy is treading water and Wheaton is showing flashes.
I may be pulling the plug a little too soon, but I had hoped to see more from Stacy after 2 preseason games. If the Rams sit their starters for the 4th preseason game and Stacy plays a majority of the snaps, the kid may have to go on IR do to playing so much.
. Wheaton could be starter sooner, and more likely to be long term starter...I like this moveTraded Stacy this morning for Markus Wheaton. 16 Team salary/contract/idp. Both were taken early second round in the rookie draft. But, at this point, I feel Stacy is treading water and Wheaton is showing flashes.
I may be pulling the plug a little too soon, but I had hoped to see more from Stacy after 2 preseason games. If the Rams sit their starters for the 4th preseason game and Stacy plays a majority of the snaps, the kid may have to go on IR do to playing so much.
Especially when he only played in one...KCitons said:I may be pulling the plug a little too soon, but I had hoped to see more from Stacy after 2 preseason games.
It's the way you treat a proven starter who you think is important to the season's success. Of course Stacy isn't a proven starter, so I don't think that's what it is.It says a few other things than that also.
I have been waiting to read this somewhere else, but I will go ahead and say it since I have not seen it yet.
Is Zac Stacy injured? He was held out for general soreness is what they say. He didn't practice, so he didn't play week 2.
Is this the kind of way you treat your back ups fighting for jobs? To let them rest because they have some soreness? That seems like the kind of thing you do with a RB that you want fresh for the start of the season, because you plan to use them quite a bit.
With what sample size? His college performance? Just curious what kind of observable metrics you're using to make that call...I'm still on the train. Still think he was the best back in this draft. Richardson is no slouch, so he will be 1B in this RBBC.
I'm still on the train, but I certainly don't think he's the best back in this draft. I think he's the best back on the Rams...Time will tellNero said:I'm still on the train. Still think he was the best back in this draft. Richardson is no slouch, so he will be 1B in this RBBC.
Yep I may totally be reading that wrong. It was just a thought. Perhaps he is more injured than just general soreness, I do not have those details.ODannyBoy said:It's the way you treat a proven starter who you think is important to the season's success. Of course Stacy isn't a proven starter, so I don't think that's what it is.It says a few other things than that also.
I have been waiting to read this somewhere else, but I will go ahead and say it since I have not seen it yet.
Is Zac Stacy injured? He was held out for general soreness is what they say. He didn't practice, so he didn't play week 2.
Is this the kind of way you treat your back ups fighting for jobs? To let them rest because they have some soreness? That seems like the kind of thing you do with a RB that you want fresh for the start of the season, because you plan to use them quite a bit.
If Stacy was already deemed such an important piece of the puzzle, there would be signs similar to what we've seen from Lacy, for example.
I had Stacy on my sleeper list just like everyone else did. But to come into a situation that would seem ripe for the plucking, he hasn't done much at all. I'd shrug it off if Jackson was still there. But when Richardson and Pead are the ones blocking your path to the starting lineup and you don't generate much buzz, I think you can rest easy if someone else grabs him first.
Based on college performance and combine, I had him #1 pre draft.traderallenpoe said:With what sample size? His college performance? Just curious what kind of observable metrics you're using to make that call...Nero said:I'm still on the train. Still think he was the best back in this draft. Richardson is no slouch, so he will be 1B in this RBBC.
My post wasn't meant to be a criticism of anyone believing in Stacy - he could justify the buzz and, like you say, if you don't have the time to look at film or watch all these guys play (I certainly don't), at some point you go off what information is out there and in this case he had a fair bit of buzz around him. It's also the wish to be ahead of the curve, but unfortunately, it's very hard to be ahead of the curve these days, when there is so much information floating around. For me personally, I didn't put much stock in the hype on Stacy because the situation was a bit too cloudy for me to care about (a bit like the Denver RB situation), but I just think this is an interesting example of hype built on basically nothing, just because everyone is adopting a popular opinion. It's a bit different to a guy like Thompkins who we have seen step up in preseason and build a connection with Brady. I haven't heard anything about Stacy really impressing anyone or pushing hard to be the outright starter.I totally hear what you are saying Rush. I have observed (and participated) in the same group think.
The reasons I like Zac Stacy are
Opportunity - Rams offense needs a replacement for Steven Jackson.
Talent - based on measurables and college performance.
These are the 2 key elements in any evaluation of a player. I do not have the ability to watch players and subjectively determine which players are more talented than others. I could watch players play 24/7 and I still do not think I would be able to discern the difference. They all look pretty talented to me.
So being the blind mouse that I am in this regard what can I do to compensate?
I read. I read a lot. I listen to what other people say.
That is why I have respect for people like Matt Waldman and others who think they can. They have a process and a consistent method for their evaluation that I do not have even if I did endeavor to attempt it. I do not have the RSP (nfl rewind instead) and I have not heard Waldman say anything about Stacy on the audible. Maybe I missed it. I do not listen to every episode, didn't listen to it all for many years honestly (although I have been listening to it more recently). I was assuming that because I didn't hear anything about him from Bloom or Waldman that they do not consider Stacy worth talking about. But I may be wrong on that.
What I did do is compile many lists of rankings as part of my evaluation process and Zac Stacy was high on many of them. That alone tells me that this player will have action in possible trades before they even play a down. Because there will be buzz and that buzz will create perceived value for the player before they prove anything.
I also think he could end up justifying that buzz. Have heard really good things about him from the Rams coaches and as stated above I see a good opportunity for any RB who can seize it to be a valuable player in FF.
I also like the underdog story. I admit I am a sucker for that. Cunningham trumps Stacy in this regard.
I wish them all and the Rams the best of luck. This is not a easy division to try to get good rushing stats from at this time.
No kidding. I appreciate a bold call like that, so long as it's an honest call rather than a gambit to get attention. But I too wonder what he's seen to think he's better than Lacy, Bernard, Bell and Michael.traderallenpoe said:With what sample size? His college performance? Just curious what kind of observable metrics you're using to make that call...Nero said:I'm still on the train. Still think he was the best back in this draft. Richardson is no slouch, so he will be 1B in this RBBC.
I'd love to see your prior year rankings. I'm not being a smartass. I like that you make a bold call based on honest assessment. I'm just (honestly) curious as to whether you are any better at analysis than the guys who had Stacy on down the list.Based on college performance and combine, I had him #1 pre draft.traderallenpoe said:With what sample size? His college performance? Just curious what kind of observable metrics you're using to make that call...Nero said:I'm still on the train. Still think he was the best back in this draft. Richardson is no slouch, so he will be 1B in this RBBC.
Hey Nero I personally appreciate the honesty (who you believe to be #1 RB) If you don't mind, Id like to know if theres another NFL RB that he reminds you of?Based on college performance and combine, I had him #1 pre draft.traderallenpoe said:With what sample size? His college performance? Just curious what kind of observable metrics you're using to make that call...Nero said:I'm still on the train. Still think he was the best back in this draft. Richardson is no slouch, so he will be 1B in this RBBC.
I think it has been posted in here already. He compares favorably to Doug Martin.Hey Nero I personally appreciate the honesty (who you believe to be #1 RB) If you don't mind, Id like to know if theres another NFL RB that he reminds you of?Based on college performance and combine, I had him #1 pre draft.traderallenpoe said:With what sample size? His college performance? Just curious what kind of observable metrics you're using to make that call...Nero said:I'm still on the train. Still think he was the best back in this draft. Richardson is no slouch, so he will be 1B in this RBBC.
That was my predraft top 20. The draft did cause me to shuffle that top 7. Stacy got drafted in the 5th round, so what do I know? I own Richardson on all three of my dynasty teams was expecting good things from him. Stacy was a punch in the gut in that respect, because in the end I think Stacy is a little better overall. I did get Stacy at 1.11 and 2.1 in two of my leagues.1. Zac Stacy
2. Giovani Bernard
3. Christine Michael
4. Le' Veon Bell
5. Knile Davis
6. Eddie Lacy
7. Montee Ball
8. Kenjon Barner
9. Joseph Randle
10. Spencer Ware
11. DJ Harper
12. Rex Burkhead
13. Dennis Johnson
14. Cierre Wood
15. Jonathan Franklin
16. Marcus Lattimore
17. Mike James
18. Andre Ellington
19. Mike Gillislee
20. Chris Thompson
RB is just not that difficult to evaluate IMO. If there is a good amount of youtube video, I can make an assessment that I am pretty confident in when taken together with combine results.No kidding. I appreciate a bold call like that, so long as it's an honest call rather than a gambit to get attention. But I too wonder what he's seen to think he's better than Lacy, Bernard, Bell and Michael.traderallenpoe said:With what sample size? His college performance? Just curious what kind of observable metrics you're using to make that call...Nero said:I'm still on the train. Still think he was the best back in this draft. Richardson is no slouch, so he will be 1B in this RBBC.
I would like to hear peoples thoughts on what little action Stacy had in the game against the Bronco's. The Rams didn't get that many opportunities on offense as the Donkeys had the ball a lot.RB- They as a unit had a tremendous practice Wednesday. Stacy had one run where he showed unnatural patience, waited for a block in a scrum and then did a deft jump cut to his right and stuck his foot in the ground and accelerated. I see all kinds of similarities to he and Frank Gore in style, I am not saying he is going to equal Gore’s output but his style of waiting, hiding and then churning his feet is just like Frank’s http://www.rams-news.com/jim-fadlers-state-of-the-rams/
ESPN Rams blogger Nick Wagoner believes "it seems as though it’s time" for rookie Zac Stacy to "at least lead the committee" in St. Louis' backfield.
It's not clear if Wagoner has heard this at Rams Park or is simply throwing it out there, but 12- and 14-team leaguers could make worse use of a bench spot than to stash the fifth-round pick out of Vanderbilt. Stacy was a favorite of Rotoworld college prospects guru Josh Norris before April's draft. "I think Zac’s done a really good job since he’s been here," Sam Bradford said. "He’s a very talented runner. He’s a powerful guy. He’s got great vision. He makes cuts in the hole that are quick and decisive, so I’m excited to see him out there."