Dez
Footballguy
Only have 20 roster spots in the FFPC. I waited on Pead all last year and said I wouldn't make the same mistake...still sucksWhy?Drafted him at 1.11 and waived him the week before he become starter......
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Zac Stacy is the highest drafted 5th round or later NFL pick in dynast (1 Viewer)
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duaneok66
Footballguy
Dez
Footballguy
1997 and 2002 ended up pretty bad especially at the top of the projected picks.
William Green, DeShaun Foster, Stallworth, Portis, TJ Duckett, Javon Walker, Ahsley Lelie, Antonio Bryant, Reed, Gaffney, Harrington, Shockey
Of the 2002 top 12 picks in my draft only Ports at 4, Walker at 6 and Shockey at 12 did much of anything.
1997 you had Corey Dillion, Dunn, Tiki Barber, Tony Gonzalez, D-Mason but only Dillion was a 1st round pick in my draft. (8th)
William Green, DeShaun Foster, Stallworth, Portis, TJ Duckett, Javon Walker, Ahsley Lelie, Antonio Bryant, Reed, Gaffney, Harrington, Shockey
Of the 2002 top 12 picks in my draft only Ports at 4, Walker at 6 and Shockey at 12 did much of anything.
1997 you had Corey Dillion, Dunn, Tiki Barber, Tony Gonzalez, D-Mason but only Dillion was a 1st round pick in my draft. (8th)
Penguin
Footballguy
Agreed. Stacy was in right place at right time and took advantage of opp last year but definite cause for concern. Someone's been trying to trade him to me all offseason and my interest is pretty much toast now.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Mason is a good player but so is Stacy.
Not sure what I think about this yet. I can see Stacy holding him off due to pass protection for awhile but both a very capable RB. Tough call.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
lots of panic and knee jerk reaction going on. Zac has proven himself...i love that he has some competition ...now lets see how he reacts ...step it up another level zac 
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I still like Stacy to have a good year this year, the rookie needs to be seasoned before he is ready to challenge, IMO. Longer term we are looking at RBBC in St Louis, I imagine. Zac is good, better than his message board detractors seem willing to accept, and Tre is not exactly elite, so I don't think the Rams are drafting their bell cow here.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Mason may not emerge this year, and could be used situationally as a complement to Stacy at first, but I agree he is more talented (went two rounds higher in a historically deep draft) and imo has the brighter future long term.
If he can learn to pass protect and catch out of the backfield, I think he has starter kind of ability in a year or two. He was one of the best looking RBs at the combine (top 3?), and the athleticism was backed up on the field, breaking Bo Jackson's Auburn season rushing yardage record.
A common comp, but his physical stature, skill set and game are reminiscent of Ray Rice.
If he can learn to pass protect and catch out of the backfield, I think he has starter kind of ability in a year or two. He was one of the best looking RBs at the combine (top 3?), and the athleticism was backed up on the field, breaking Bo Jackson's Auburn season rushing yardage record.
A common comp, but his physical stature, skill set and game are reminiscent of Ray Rice.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
It was a good run.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
elguapo07
Footballguy
This x 2This.Nice upgrade for STL. Stacy's value =.
He's now the less talented half of a committee.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Mason is a poor-mans Donald Brown (not a bad thing to me). He is not a better three down back or better goal-line threat than Zac Stacy. He doesn't have the size to be a great pass protector and it shows on tape. I bought Stacy as a rookie, sold him high all offseason and will use this news to buy him back. You guys make this soo easy.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
The Rams just said #### your fantasy player.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Louche
Footballguy
Well, they certainly have scouted Tre Mason closely enough, considering that Jeff Fisher's son played for Auburn, so it's not just a shot in the dark. They know him well. I'm pretty sure Zac Stacy will be the lead RB, at least to start the season, but even Cunningham performed better than Stacy last year when given the chance so I think it would be foolish to believe that this doesn't affect Stacy. They're probably still going to run the ball some 500 times so I'm sure Stacy will put up production and find a place in your fantasy lineup but his chance at being an RB1 fell quite a bit yesterday - especially long term.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
This is the most interesting fantasy landing so far. The Rams want to run the ball and they are building the oline to maul. Does Fisher really want a committee?
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
He played D. Richardson over Steven Jackson at times in 2012. That decision lost the Rams a playoff spot then IMO. Playing Mason over Stacy wouldn't be as much of a crime. Who know what he wants.
Leroy's Aces
Footballguy
FWIW, from Fisher:
"Tre is a change-of-pace back," Rams coach Jeff Fisher said during a press conference with reporters in St. Louis late Friday. "Good zone runner, obviously the numbers speak for themselves. He was a guy we just couldn't pass up at that point."
"Tre is a change-of-pace back," Rams coach Jeff Fisher said during a press conference with reporters in St. Louis late Friday. "Good zone runner, obviously the numbers speak for themselves. He was a guy we just couldn't pass up at that point."
This is by far the most interesting RB controversy. Tre Mason has a lot of hype here and some quite good college tape, but after the draft you gotta wonder how good is he really if he becomes only the 4th RB in a supposedly underwhelming class. Fischer has also openly admitted to not liking committee, but that might have changed. Surely, Stacey value takes a hit, but I am not convinced he is done. I am gonna go throw out some offers to see how panicked are Stacey owners.
djmich
Footballguy
The pick makes so much sense for STL. They are going to run a ton. Pead/Cunningham don't cut it as #2 and certainly not #1 if Stacy goes down. Mason brings a different element from Stacy, and will complement Stacy. As in every situation, performance may change things but at this point no reason to not think Stacy gets the majority of carries and GL work. Which in this offense is gold.
1) I was surprised the Rams burned yet another highish draft pick on a RB; that's three years in a row now? At what point do you admit you're screwing up if you're Rams mgt?
2) Stacy gave me a Championship last year; and I have him in dynasty so I am vested in him. But I was not overly impressed with him. I loved his touch count week-in-week-out, but he was definitely getting banged up and had too few 10+ yd gainers and a very low yards per target in the pass game. But it is absolutely unquestionable that Stacy gave the Rams' offense an identity when they desperately needed one; and that is not easy to accomplish. And it is something Fisher values. I seriously doubt that they'll hand the ball over to the new guy without giving Stacy every opportunity to shape the offense.
Unless Mason has a Clinton-Portis-like-rookie-summer, then only if/when Stacy falters or if/when the team is losing consistently, they'll probably sprinkle in Mason more and more. But if that doesnt happen, then Stacy has a chance to pull away and be as effective as a 75% carry guy can be...which is easily Top 10 material. So stick him in your Top 20 for now and watch closely in August.
3) Cunningham provided a little burst when Stacy sat, but he was generally slow, fumbled in a key spot IIRC, and did not move the chains like Zac did.
4)D Rich wiffed from the Cowboys game fwd,
5) Pead wasnt in enough to even put together an evaluation
I think this pick is an indictment of bullets 3, 4, and 5 above more than anything else.
2) Stacy gave me a Championship last year; and I have him in dynasty so I am vested in him. But I was not overly impressed with him. I loved his touch count week-in-week-out, but he was definitely getting banged up and had too few 10+ yd gainers and a very low yards per target in the pass game. But it is absolutely unquestionable that Stacy gave the Rams' offense an identity when they desperately needed one; and that is not easy to accomplish. And it is something Fisher values. I seriously doubt that they'll hand the ball over to the new guy without giving Stacy every opportunity to shape the offense.
Unless Mason has a Clinton-Portis-like-rookie-summer, then only if/when Stacy falters or if/when the team is losing consistently, they'll probably sprinkle in Mason more and more. But if that doesnt happen, then Stacy has a chance to pull away and be as effective as a 75% carry guy can be...which is easily Top 10 material. So stick him in your Top 20 for now and watch closely in August.
3) Cunningham provided a little burst when Stacy sat, but he was generally slow, fumbled in a key spot IIRC, and did not move the chains like Zac did.
4)D Rich wiffed from the Cowboys game fwd,
5) Pead wasnt in enough to even put together an evaluation
I think this pick is an indictment of bullets 3, 4, and 5 above more than anything else.
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duaneok66
Footballguy
the "gold" part is stretching. The Rams didn't score that much last year, and Bradford (for the most part) is still unproven.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I don't Recall Fisher ever going with the committee approach. He pretty much uses one guy, no?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
IIRC there was only one season where RB split carries somewhat evenly. This was in the transition period between George and Johnson.
For the most part he plays the best guy.
It is pretty amusing reading people twist every angle they can to make one Rb look better than the other, when the way I see it Mason and Stacy are very similar players.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Yup, I do not recall Fisher using a RRBC approach either, but -- correct me if I am wrong -- I recall Stacy getting dinged up last year. [Full disclosure: I am a Stacy owner so I have a rooting interest] Fisher may see the wisdom in a RRBC approach. Don't get me wrong, I think Tre Mason is going to be a very good player and might assume a larger role later in the next year or two, but I think Stacy is still relevant this year. I also get the feeling the Stacy is a "Fisher guy."
mlball77
Footballguy
Interesting. This is about how I recall historical Fisher's RB usage as well (was it CJ and Lendale though?). -And I agree that the two STL backs are close. That said, I guess I see things solidly in Stacy's favor as the incumbent (and basically for only this reason).
However, I will admit that I am not a big fan of Stacy's talent... so I can understand those that like Mason's skill set thinking the rook will carve out a significant role soon enough.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
By talent do you mean athleticism? Because they are very similar players in almost every measurable way.
cstu
Footballguy
mlball77
Footballguy
Like I said above. Post #683
Think Titans 2008.
Stacy = Lendale 200-250 carries
Mason = CJ 200-250 carries
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Anybody who is hoping to get consistent top-10 RB stats from Stacy should abandon this hope after the Tre Mason pick.
That said, almost every NFL team is headed towards RBBC. If Stacy indeed keeps 65-70% of the touches (and there seems to be no reason to think otherwise, given Mason's subpar receiving skills to-date), then he is borderline RB1. Can someone name 12 RBs they would prefer over him?
That said, almost every NFL team is headed towards RBBC. If Stacy indeed keeps 65-70% of the touches (and there seems to be no reason to think otherwise, given Mason's subpar receiving skills to-date), then he is borderline RB1. Can someone name 12 RBs they would prefer over him?
duaneok66
Footballguy
the 65-70% is a big assumption, since several have Mason rated as a better overall talent than Stacy.
msommer
Footballguy
az_prof
Footballguy
1. McCoy
2. Charles
3. Foster
4. ADP
5. Forte
6. Murray
7. Lynch
8. Martin (but he now has solid competition)
9. CJ (barely...not at all sure things will work in NY)
10. Matthews
11. Spiller
12. Sankey
13. Lacy
14. Bell
15. Gerhart
16. Tate
duaneok66
Footballguy
even if he stinks at pass blocking, that's not really the crux of the argument. If he's a better runner, he will get more carries. Ray Rice is horrible at pass blocking, but he was a FF force for years. The Rams got Robinson (who is a run blocking force) and drafted no WRs. Obviously, we have to wait for the season to start, but Fisher may elect to use the run game as his foundation.
My thinking is that eventually, the two will split time in the backfield (almost 50-50).
I got exactly 12 and that was pushing it.
Next question: if you owned Stacy, would you swap him for Tre Mason?
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