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2 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

Poor Ralphie.  He could've had 100 kids in the ICU with arrows in their heads and Tony still would have beat him to death over a horse. 

Probably a contributing factor to Chrissy's death as well.  RIP little Cozette. 

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39 minutes ago, Major said:

Probably a contributing factor to Chrissy's death as well.  RIP little Cozette. 

Chrissy tries to be nice and give that yipey dog some warmth and gets crucified for it. Tony was so unfair. 

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28 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

Chrissy tries to be nice and give that yipey dog some warmth and gets crucified for it. Tony was so unfair. 

The kid was just trying to create a little dysentery among the ranks

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35 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

True, but that is unwise for the hair apparent to do. 

Makes sense when you're at the precipice of an enormous crossroad

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11 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

Poor Ralphie.  He could've had 100 kids in the ICU with arrows in their heads and Tony still would have beat him to death over a horse. 

I felt it was more about Tracy.

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On 3/3/2021 at 3:43 PM, jdoggydogg said:

Just here to pimp Talking Sopranos podcast again. It's great. Hosted by Christopher and Bobby. Lots of good interviews with the actors, writers, and directors and lots of fun factoids to be learned. 

Is this a re-watch type of podcast or an episode by episode?  Or is it just general Sopranos.  

Still haven't watched any, but for some reason I am more likely to watch something if I know there is a good podcast that goes episode by episode.  

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On 3/5/2021 at 6:43 PM, KarmaPolice said:

Is this a re-watch type of podcast or an episode by episode?  Or is it just general Sopranos.  

Still haven't watched any, but for some reason I am more likely to watch something if I know there is a good podcast that goes episode by episode.  

Episode by episode. 

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On 3/5/2021 at 6:28 PM, prosopis said:

I felt it was more about Tracy.

Probably a combination. Tony never got past Ralph killing her, and once he didn't give a crap about the horse dying and verbalized it so blatantly, Ralph in essence signed his own death warrant. He put up a decent fight for a bit, but once Tony got him on the ground and on top of him, it was all over. 

It's great to go back and watch the scene over and over.  As angry as Tony was, even after the "So what?" comment, he was still holding back, but Ralph kept running his mouth and eventually Tony had enough and exploded.   

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34 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

Probably a combination. Tony never got past Ralph killing her, and once he didn't give a crap about the horse dying and verbalized it so blatantly, Ralph in essence signed his own death warrant. He put up a decent fight for a bit, but once Tony got him on the ground and on top of him, it was all over. 

It's great to go back and watch the scene over and over.  As angry as Tony was, even after the "So what?" comment, he was still holding back, but Ralph kept running his mouth and eventually Tony had enough and exploded.   

Yep.  Refusing that drink at the casino was also in the back of his head.  Don't disrespect a boss in public.  

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36 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

Probably a combination. Tony never got past Ralph killing her, and once he didn't give a crap about the horse dying and verbalized it so blatantly, Ralph in essence signed his own death warrant. He put up a decent fight for a bit, but once Tony got him on the ground and on top of him, it was all over. 

It's great to go back and watch the scene over and over.  As angry as Tony was, even after the "So what?" comment, he was still holding back, but Ralph kept running his mouth and eventually Tony had enough and exploded.   

The sounds in that scence are amazing.  Raplh cracking the egg, the egg hitting the pan, the toaster, Ralph spraying Tony with Raid, then Tonys hand sizzling on the stove.

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"She wants 800K for a change of scenery."

"That never works. She should get him a dog." 

Because that will make it easier for Vito Jr. to get over his outed dad being whacked. Gotta love Sil. :lol: :lol: 

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15 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

And yet Brainless the 2nd outlived almost all of them. 

Well, he retired:  

We have this ritual at my house for years, our kids are in boarding school, every night I come from work strip down, jump naked in the pool, Nicole brings me a scotch and water, we sit, relax a little, talk, I go up to bed the air conditioning, she brings me a light dinner on a trey, one night during all that fighting with John, I come home, I'm exhausted, so tired, so tense I skip the pool, I go right upstairs flop on the bed, Nicole comes up with the drink and she says "darling, I think its time you took a rest", I say '"yeah I'm gonna, we'll take a vacation", she says" that's not what I what I meant, I don't want to be the wealthiest widow on Long Island, I want you to quit now", I'm not ashamed to say this, but she made me cry, that wonderful, loving woman, that dream with my father with the empty box, it wasn't about being boss, it was about being happy.

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15 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Well, he retired:  

Great scene. 

Little Carmine could afford to retire because of the income he got from the films he produced under his subspecies. 

I like how he orders grilled greens and kale, and Tony gives him the stinkeye and says, "gimme a Philly cheese steak."

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1 minute ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

Great scene. 

Little Carmine could afford to retire because of the income he got from the films he produced under his subspecies. 

 

fixing wet t-shirt contests is more lucrative than I realized 

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New thought: Jason Barone has to be in the conversation of dumbest people on the show. 

He was puzzled as to why an Anthony Soprano was still getting paid, and then figured out about 30 seconds that it was Tony Soprano.  Did his parents raise him in a cave where he never mad the connection between Anthony and Tony? :lmao: 

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1 hour ago, Ghost Rider said:

New thought: Jason Barone has to be in the conversation of dumbest people on the show. 

He was puzzled as to why an Anthony Soprano was still getting paid, and then figured out about 30 seconds that it was Tony Soprano.  Did his parents raise him in a cave where he never mad the connection between Anthony and Tony? :lmao: 

He’s right there with Jackie “didn’t he almost drown at the Penguin Exhibit?” Aprile Jr.

”Do you even know what your ebb-bah-daw is?” from Paulie Walnuts is one of my favorite scenes. He says amortization like he’s ordering an appetizer from Vesuvio’s.

EBITDA

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2 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

New thought: Jason Barone has to be in the conversation of dumbest people on the show. 

He was puzzled as to why an Anthony Soprano was still getting paid, and then figured out about 30 seconds that it was Tony Soprano.  Did his parents raise him in a cave where he never mad the connection between Anthony and Tony? :lmao: 

That is also the scene where they show a picture of Paulie winning some award and the picture looks just like a mugshot.

On the topic of dumb characters, Fat Dom Gamiello deserves a nomination. He participates in an unsanctioned hit on one of Tony's capos (granted, the whole Vito thing was murky, and Tony himself had decided to whack Vito, but still Fat Dom broke protocol), and then he shows up at the Bada Bing and starts dropping hints that he was involved, and then worse starts breaking balls on a very touchy subject, the kind you absolutely do not joke about.

Sil taking the Dustbuster to Fat Dom's cranium seemed almost inevitable. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ZbxWXVnRM

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18 hours ago, BobbyLayne said:

He’s right there with Jackie “didn’t he almost drown at the Penguin Exhibit?” Aprile Jr.

”Do you even know what your ebb-bah-daw is?” from Paulie Walnuts is one of my favorite scenes. He says amortization like he’s ordering an appetizer from Vesuvio’s.

EBITDA

Tony pummeling Jackie Jr. in the men's room of that strip club never gets old.  I will say thought that he was not totally stupid to take it instead of fighting back. Had he fought back, Tony's natural aggression would have escalated and Jr. would have gotten more than just a few right crosses and a hard knee to the groin.  However, the fact that Jackie's still plunged ahead with certain actions after that beatdown and seeing that terrifying look in Tony's face up close just shows how stupid he really was. That should have scared him straight. 

17 hours ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

That is also the scene where they show a picture of Paulie winning some award and the picture looks just like a mugshot.

On the topic of dumb characters, Fat Dom Gamiello deserves a nomination. He participates in an unsanctioned hit on one of Tony's capos (granted, the whole Vito thing was murky, and Tony himself had decided to whack Vito, but still Fat Dom broke protocol), and then he shows up at the Bada Bing and starts dropping hints that he was involved, and then worse starts breaking balls on a very touchy subject, the kind you absolutely do not joke about.

Sil taking the Dustbuster to Fat Dom's cranium seemed almost inevitable. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ZbxWXVnRM

"Sil hit him first."  Early signs of Carlo being a rat. 

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17 hours ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

That is also the scene where they show a picture of Paulie winning some award and the picture looks just like a mugshot.

On the topic of dumb characters, Fat Dom Gamiello deserves a nomination. He participates in an unsanctioned hit on one of Tony's capos (granted, the whole Vito thing was murky, and Tony himself had decided to whack Vito, but still Fat Dom broke protocol), and then he shows up at the Bada Bing and starts dropping hints that he was involved, and then worse starts breaking balls on a very touchy subject, the kind you absolutely do not joke about.

Sil taking the Dustbuster to Fat Dom's cranium seemed almost inevitable. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ZbxWXVnRM

“Sil hit him first.” 😀

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5 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

"Sil hit him first."  Early signs of Carlo being a rat. 

With a dustbuster full of rat turds. #foreshadowing 

Nothing is ever by accident in this series.

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So true. 

Another great little moment is when the feds call Adriana to meet them to talk when she is getting her hair done, and her old buddy Danielle tells her that they have a unit watching the place.  That little smirk Harris gives basically says, "And she is dumb enough to believe that." :lol: 

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I can't sit through the whole podcasts, but it's interesting to flip through Michael Imperioli and Steve Schirripa ones to see what some of the characters look like now. 

I wouldn't have recognized the actress who played Svetlana, even with the Russian accent.  The shorter, non-blonde hair would have thrown me off. 

The actress who played Tracee (the stripper Ralphie beat to death) has this radiant beauty now (and I never thought she was anything more than kinda cute in the face back then). And seems like she has a really good head on her shoulders. 

With that gray beard, Imperioli looks like he's 80. 

Aida Turturro, who played Janice, actually looks healthy.  She got a little heavier over the course of the show, but obviously she decided to at some point to get healthier. Good for her. 

The actress who played "Danielle" (Ade's friend who was really an undercover fed) is still a knockout. 

Irina is still as cute as can be as well. 

 

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1 hour ago, Barry said:

watched s1 and 2 recently. It's been about 15 years. I never liked Carm or her scenes. Now I think she's great. I love when she snaps at Tony. 

The whole series hits different watching now vs the stage of life we were in back then.

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3 hours ago, Barry said:

watched s1 and 2 recently. It's been about 15 years. I never liked Carm or her scenes. Now I think she's great. I love when she snaps at Tony. 

This says pulp

thats what you like

I like shum pulp

***throws cordless phone at T*** 

WHAT WAS THAT FOR??!

I’ll make ya a list 

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First pass through I didn’t care for all the domestic tension over the potentially buying the Jersey shore house or Carmela/Hugh’s spec house. Never watched since the original until pandemic began. Now I love Edie Falco, she’s an absolute powerhouse. “College” (name that pope) and “Whitecaps” (blowout marital fight) are right there with “Pine Barrens” for me.

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10 hours ago, Barry said:

watched s1 and 2 recently. It's been about 15 years. I never liked Carm or her scenes. Now I think she's great. I love when she snaps at Tony. 

It's a testament to Edie's greatness as an actress that it took me almost the entire first season to see her only as Carm and not her character on "Oz". 

She has such an authenticity about her that I still saw the chain smoking, run-down-by-life, single mother, corrections officer.

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6 hours ago, BobbyLayne said:

This says pulp

thats what you like

I like shum pulp

***throws cordless phone at T*** 

WHAT WAS THAT FOR??!

I’ll make ya a list 

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First pass through I didn’t care for all the domestic tension over the potentially buying the Jersey shore house or Carmela/Hugh’s spec house. Never watched since the original until pandemic began. Now I love Edie Falco, she’s an absolute powerhouse. “College” (name that pope) and “Whitecaps” (blowout marital fight) are right there with “Pine Barrens” for me.

All three of those episodes would now be in my 2nd tier of all-time great Sopranos episodes.  Long Term Parking and The Knight in White Satin Armor remain 1a and 1b for me, and then I rate Another Toothpick, Boca and All Happy Families... really high as well.  Too many awesome ones to even think of putting them all in a specific order. 

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9 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

All three of those episodes would now be in my 2nd tier of all-time great Sopranos episodes.  Long Term Parking and The Knight in White Satin Armor remain 1a and 1b for me, and then I rate Another Toothpick, Boca and All Happy Families... really high as well.  Too many awesome ones to even think of putting them all in a specific order. 

Chickens nice and spicy 

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15 hours ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

It's a testament to Edie's greatness as an actress that it took me almost the entire first season to see her only as Carm and not her character on "Oz". 

She has such an authenticity about her that I still saw the chain smoking, run-down-by-life, single mother, corrections officer.

Opposite for me bc I saw Sopranos first (multiple times).  When I finally watched Oz I couldn't buy Carmella Soprano as a CO.

Hated her in Sopranos the first viewing, but grew to love her over time.  Still can't help but cringe at the way she pronounces "TOW-NEEEY" 50 times an episode though

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I'm certain all of you know this, but I'd forgotten that when Christopher kills the ex cop he is told killed his dad, Magnum PI is playing on the TV set. The character name you hear on the TV is Kevin Finnerty - Tony's character's name in his long dream sequence after Junior shoots him in the gut. 

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20 years ago today...

The Pine Barrens Episode was released. Great episode. Was it the best? Not sure. Definitely top 3.

I’ve said my piece.

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Since the majority of fans are now age 21-35 - the free HBO Go trial last year at the beginning of the pandemic brought in a huge new wave of new fans - this is worth a Honda (if you’ve even heard it before.)

Remember the scene in Pine Barrens where Tony is waiting at Junior’s? He called Bobby Baccala to ask him to go with him to go out in the woods to find Christopher and Paulie who are presumed lost, cell phone died. It’s probably like 2-3 a.m.

Bobby walks in wearing camouflage gear, orange vest, and Elmer Fudd hat. Tony starts giggling and Bobby says “#### this” and goes to leave, so T apologizes.

BACKSTORY: On set, Steve Schrippa decided that maybe Jim Gandolfini needs some help with the scene. They’d been filming all day and everyone is tired and grouchy, this is the last shot of the day. 

So before Steve comes around the corner, he puts on an Afro wig and straps on an absurdly large rubber phallic prop (dildo.)

Gandolfini turns around, sees that, just loses it and starts cracking up. #thatsawrap

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 Junior shoots him in the gut. 

forgot about that. I wonder if it would've surprised me the second time around. 

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5 hours ago, BobbyLayne said:

20 years ago today...

The Pine Barrens Episode was released. Great episode. Was it the best? Not sure. Definitely top 3.

I’ve said my piece.

Just watched it. Was there ever discussion on why the Russian special ops soldier didnt grab Chris' gun after knocking him down?   I believe the Russian took Paulie's car.

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8 minutes ago, Barry said:

Just watched it. Was there ever discussion on why the Russian special ops soldier didnt grab Chris' gun after knocking him down?   I believe the Russian took Paulie's car.

from a 2012 article in Slate:

“Who gives a #### about this Russian?” David Chase says. The creator of The Sopranos has never understood his audience’s fascination with Valery, the Russian mobster who disappeared in the legendary “Pine Barrens” episode. It was a one-off story that needed no closure, Chase says now. He recalls thinking, “We did that show! I don’t know where he is! Now we’ve got to go and figure that out?!?!”

Terence Winter, who wrote “Pine Barrens” and many of the series’ other memorable outings, agreed with the fans on this one, much to Chase’s frustration, and kept pushing his boss to add a coda to that story in The Sopranos’ final season. They finally hit on an idea everyone would be happy with: Tony and Christopher pay a visit to the local Russian mob boss, where they find Valery sweeping the floor, not recognizing Christopher thanks to a traumatic brain injury suffered when Chris and Paulie were shooting at him. (It would be explained that a local Boy Scout troop found him with part of his skull missing, and saved his life.) At the last minute, Chase changed his mind, and he recalls a despondent Winter insisting, “God, you’re making a huge mistake leaving that on the table!”

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I was re-watching Long Term Parking and reflecting on the Adriana murder. Probably the most traumatic murder in the show's history, in my opinion.

I was trying to imagine what Adriana could have done to get out of that predicament, and I wonder what y'all think about this idea: so just when the FBI brings Adriana in for the first time, she remains silent until she's released. Then she immediately goes to Tony and says, "The FBI is asking me to rat. I don't want to do that. Please get me out of the country with some seed money. I would never betray the family." Not blackmail, but a good faith effort to extricate herself from the situation. Do you think Tony would have appreciated her loyalty and helped her out?

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I was re-watching Long Term Parking and reflecting on the Adriana murder. Probably the most traumatic murder in the show's history, in my opinion.

I was trying to imagine what Adriana could have done to get out of that predicament, and I wonder what y'all think about this idea: so just when the FBI brings Adriana in for the first time, she remains silent until she's released. Then she immediately goes to Tony and says, "The FBI is asking me to rat. I don't want to do that. Please get me out of the country with some seed money. I would never betray the family." Not blackmail, but a good faith effort to extricate herself from the situation. Do you think Tony would have appreciated her loyalty and helped her out?

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20 minutes ago, jdoggydogg said:

I was re-watching Long Term Parking and reflecting on the Adriana murder. Probably the most traumatic murder in the show's history, in my opinion.

I was trying to imagine what Adriana could have done to get out of that predicament, and I wonder what y'all think about this idea: so just when the FBI brings Adriana in for the first time, she remains silent until she's released. Then she immediately goes to Tony and says, "The FBI is asking me to rat. I don't want to do that. Please get me out of the country with some seed money. I would never betray the family." Not blackmail, but a good faith effort to extricate herself from the situation. Do you think Tony would have appreciated her loyalty and helped her out?

Tony operates on a double standard with his Fed dealings. Unless she's a farm animal or some sort of pet, I don't see him offering any support or understanding.  

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1 hour ago, BobbyLayne said:

from a 2012 article in Slate:

“Who gives a #### about this Russian?” David Chase says. The creator of The Sopranos has never understood his audience’s fascination with Valery, the Russian mobster who disappeared in the legendary “Pine Barrens” episode. It was a one-off story that needed no closure, Chase says now. He recalls thinking, “We did that show! I don’t know where he is! Now we’ve got to go and figure that out?!?!”

Terence Winter, who wrote “Pine Barrens” and many of the series’ other memorable outings, agreed with the fans on this one, much to Chase’s frustration, and kept pushing his boss to add a coda to that story in The Sopranos’ final season. They finally hit on an idea everyone would be happy with: Tony and Christopher pay a visit to the local Russian mob boss, where they find Valery sweeping the floor, not recognizing Christopher thanks to a traumatic brain injury suffered when Chris and Paulie were shooting at him. (It would be explained that a local Boy Scout troop found him with part of his skull missing, and saved his life.) At the last minute, Chase changed his mind, and he recalls a despondent Winter insisting, “God, you’re making a huge mistake leaving that on the table!”

Chase made the right decision.  That coda sounds kinda lame, and I think leaving it open-ended works better.  Enough time had passed where it didn't matter what had happened to the Russian. 

What's funny is that was when the friction between Tony and Paulie began, which was all Paulie's fault yet he acted all pissy about it, and then started yapping to Johnny Sack. That was when Paulie started to become unlikable.  It's still hilarious how badly he got played by Johnny Sack. 

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12 minutes ago, Major said:

Tony operates on a double standard with his Fed dealings. Unless she's a farm animal or some sort of pet, I don't see him offering any support or understanding.  

yep.

I misspoke. 

dead yesterday, if not sooner.

Cris-ta-fer knew that from the beginning.

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49 minutes ago, jdoggydogg said:

I was re-watching Long Term Parking and reflecting on the Adriana murder. Probably the most traumatic murder in the show's history, in my opinion.

I was trying to imagine what Adriana could have done to get out of that predicament, and I wonder what y'all think about this idea: so just when the FBI brings Adriana in for the first time, she remains silent until she's released. Then she immediately goes to Tony and says, "The FBI is asking me to rat. I don't want to do that. Please get me out of the country with some seed money. I would never betray the family." Not blackmail, but a good faith effort to extricate herself from the situation. Do you think Tony would have appreciated her loyalty and helped her out?

I could be wrong but Ade doesn't really know anything. in your scenario she gets arrested than tells Tony they want her to spy. Why would he kill her?

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