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I disagree. He stuck by him after Tony B. killed joey Peeps, but once he killed Phil's brother, he could no longer stick by him. There would have been all-out war with NY, and probably sooner than the inevitable one that happened near the end of the series. As a boss, Tony S. had to give his cousin up. In fact, he probably should have given him up without mercy killing him himself, but like Sil said, pride got in the way. Tony S. knew he had to give in to Johnny Sack and give his cousin up, but he wasn't gonna totally give in, which is partly why he killed Tony B. himself (also because he didn't want his cousin to have a painful death, which Phil surely would have given him).

Yep, they were "even" after the Peeps thing. Killing Billy Leotardo sealed his fate.Not to mention Fat Tony gave skinny Tony the cushy job running the casino. He did more than enough to pay him back. Though he could have also thrown in a dentist visit.
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Tony Soprano : [over the phone]  It's a bad connection, so I'm gonna talk fast! The guy you're looking for is an ex-commando! He killed sixteen Chechen rebels single-handed! Paulie 'Walnuts' Gual

Sopranos movie prequel in the works according to David Chase

Could have used more Furio before they wrote him out. His first scene in America collecting at the brothel was insane. up in the club cracks me up every time.

Tony Blundetto never saved Tony Soprano. They both were supposed to do a hijacking, and Tony S. had a panic attack and couldn't go. Tony B did, and got arrested. The only reason Tony S. protected Tony B. was because of overriding guilt that he was not there with Tony B. at the hijack. Thats why he gave them the casino operation, that is why he covered for him regarding the Joe Peeps hit, and that is why he wouldn't give him up to the New york crew.

Tony S. did more than enough protecting of Tony B., regarding the Joey Peeps hit. He should have allowed New york to kill Tony B. after he clipped Leotardo's brother. It was not a sanctioned hit, and Tony B. was not a made guy.

Tony S. owed Tony B. nothing.

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Blundetto was obviously reckless, maybe even out of control. But, he saved Tony S's ###, way back when.

I forget that part of the back story. How did he save Tony S?
He and Tony S where supposed to go out on a job.Tony S. suffered a panic attack, didn't show up, and instead blamed it on two black guys.Tony B. was busted, but kept his mouth shut and did a long term in the state penn.
I know this story of course, it is a very important thread. I just don't in any way consider Tony B saving Tony S due to this. Tony B keeping his mouth shut was meaningless in this case. He was not in any way protecting Tony S
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Not to mention Fat Tony gave skinny Tony the cushy job running the casino. He did more than enough to pay him back. Though he could have also thrown in a dentist visit.

:lmao: at both the dentist crank and calling them fat and skinny Tony. Well-played!And yeah, Tony B. never saved Tony S. Tony S.'s guilt over the whole thing may have made it seem that way, but it's not the way it was.
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Anybody else ever wonder why Chase gave Steve Buscemi the same first name as the lead character on the show?

Was it all to set up the "Tony Uncle Al" and "Tony Uncle Johnny" crap? I mean, it got irritating having to type Tony "B" and Tony "S" from season 5 on. You would think he'd want to avoid all that. Or maybe was it a nod to the scene in Goodfellas.

Paulie and his brothers had lots of sons and nephews. And almost all of them were named Peter or Paul. It was unbelievable. There must have been two dozen Peters and Pauls at the wedding. Plus, they were all married to girls named Marie. And they named all their daughters Marie.

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Anybody else ever wonder why Chase gave Steve Buscemi the same first name as the lead character on the show?

Was it all to set up the "Tony Uncle Al" and "Tony Uncle Johnny" crap? I mean, it got irritating having to type Tony "B" and Tony "S" from season 5 on. You would think he'd want to avoid all that. Or maybe was it a nod to the scene in Goodfellas.

Paulie and his brothers had lots of sons and nephews. And almost all of them were named Peter or Paul. It was unbelievable. There must have been two dozen Peters and Pauls at the wedding. Plus, they were all married to girls named Marie. And they named all their daughters Marie.

I don't think it was a nod to Goodfellas; that's just how Italian families operate.
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I love the scenes featuring Thskip and Pu55y.

It's like the casting director intentionally set out to find THE TWO WORST ACTORS on the planet for a scene together.

Haha, so true. Neither of those guys could act, but their scenes were always good. It was like watching two fat guys trying to outsmart the other or something. The scene in the party store with the Elvis lookalike is still one of my all-time favorite Sopranos scenes.
Skip could actually be the dumbest TV cop ever.

Let's see. We run into Jimmy the Elvis impersonator at the party store. Sal is visibly shaken, and worried that Jimmy knows he's a rat.

Jimmy turns up dead two days later with his skull bashed in.

WHO COULD HAVE DONE IT??? :shrug:

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Speaking of Skip, one blip in the writing was his knowledge of Sal's involvement in Matthew Bevilaqua's murder. When he confronts Sal and asks him if he was "quote unquote husky accomplice," Sal denies that it was him, and Skip says he chooses to believe him. However, at the beginning of Season 3 when the FBI is listening to the wire tap of Tony and Sal talking and Sal trying to get Tony to talk about it by saying, "He sure cried like a baby that night," one of the FBI guys directly says, "That's the closest he ever got Tony to talking about the Bevilaqua murder on tape," and Skip kind of nods. That exchange indicates that they were then aware that Sal was a part of it. I mean, if he was trying to get Tony to admit it on tape, then why didn't they just bring Tony and Sal in right there and tell Sal, "Okay, you are now an eyewitness to Tony Soprano actually killing someone." Their RICO case would have been airtight at that point. An on-tape confession was then not necessary. See what I mean?

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Speaking of Skip, one blip in the writing was his knowledge of Sal's involvement in Matthew Bevilaqua's murder. When he confronts Sal and asks him if he was "quote unquote husky accomplice," Sal denies that it was him, and Skip says he chooses to believe him. However, at the beginning of Season 3 when the FBI is listening to the wire tap of Tony and Sal talking and Sal trying to get Tony to talk about it by saying, "He sure cried like a baby that night," one of the FBI guys directly says, "That's the closest he ever got Tony to talking about the Bevilaqua murder on tape," and Skip kind of nods. That exchange indicates that they were then aware that Sal was a part of it. I mean, if he was trying to get Tony to admit it on tape, then why didn't they just bring Tony and Sal in right there and tell Sal, "Okay, you are now an eyewitness to Tony Soprano actually killing someone." Their RICO case would have been airtight at that point. An on-tape confession was then not necessary. See what I mean?

Remember when Pussy was delusional about working with the FBI, he was following Chrissy and he hit the 7-11 clerk with his car? When Skip came to see him in the hospital, Sal said "I owe you, Skip. The rest of my life, I'll never forget; you looked the other way on that Bevilaqua beef."

To which Skip replied: "What? The bureau would never turn its head on a murder charge." But then of course, he dropped the subject.

Despite saying "I'm gonna choose to believe you," he knew damn well that Puss was the "huthsky accomplice." I just think deep down Skip held a curious fondness for Sal, and they even commiserated with each other about (Sal) being Tony's errand boy and (Skip) being passed over for a promotion.

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Exactly how does this guy sneak up on anybody?

The best part about that is how long it took him to get in the car after he shot him. With his weight, getting in and shifting his weight enough for him to be able to close the door took a bit of time. :lol:

Oh, and I never did reply to this:

Speaking of Skip, one blip in the writing was his knowledge of Sal's involvement in Matthew Bevilaqua's murder. When he confronts Sal and asks him if he was "quote unquote husky accomplice," Sal denies that it was him, and Skip says he chooses to believe him. However, at the beginning of Season 3 when the FBI is listening to the wire tap of Tony and Sal talking and Sal trying to get Tony to talk about it by saying, "He sure cried like a baby that night," one of the FBI guys directly says, "That's the closest he ever got Tony to talking about the Bevilaqua murder on tape," and Skip kind of nods. That exchange indicates that they were then aware that Sal was a part of it. I mean, if he was trying to get Tony to admit it on tape, then why didn't they just bring Tony and Sal in right there and tell Sal, "Okay, you are now an eyewitness to Tony Soprano actually killing someone." Their RICO case would have been airtight at that point. An on-tape confession was then not necessary. See what I mean?

Remember when Pussy was delusional about working with the FBI, he was following Chrissy and he hit the 7-11 clerk with his car? When Skip came to see him in the hospital, Sal said "I owe you, Skip. The rest of my life, I'll never forget; you looked the other way on that Bevilaqua beef."

To which Skip replied: "What? The bureau would never turn its head on a murder charge." But then of course, he dropped the subject.

Despite saying "I'm gonna choose to believe you," he knew damn well that Puss was the "huthsky accomplice." I just think deep down Skip held a curious fondness for Sal, and they even commiserated with each other about (Sal) being Tony's errand boy and (Skip) being passed over for a promotion.

I am aware of all of that, but if Skip did overlook it, letting his bosses hear that tape would make him look bad. His bosses would be like, "If you knew Sal was directly involved, AND had that kind of proof on tape, why didn't you do something about it?" Then again, we never saw Skip again after Season 3, Episode 1, so maybe he got the axe and it was just never told to us the viewers. Edited by Ghost Rider
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This disinformation technique is...is...is a freakin ace.

Ok, ####.

:lmao:

My buddies and I always break that one out.

"Oh, okay Puss... we didn't realize it was an ACE. Keep doing what you're doing!" :thumbup:

Always cracks me up.

So did Tony buy that boat? Was the Cuban guy fake? Certainly they didn't give it back to somebody with the blood of an FBI informant on the carpet.

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This disinformation technique is...is...is a freakin ace.

Ok, ####.

:lmao:

My buddies and I always break that one out.

"Oh, okay Puss... we didn't realize it was an ACE. Keep doing what you're doing!" :thumbup:

Always cracks me up.

So did Tony buy that boat? Was the Cuban guy fake? Certainly they didn't give it back to somebody with the blood of an FBI informant on the carpet.

Sal says "Oh yeah" when T mentions the Cuban guy. So I'm assuming he's real and he's 'a friend of theirs'.
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Exactly how does this guy sneak up on anybody?

Best season finale of the entire series.

In the first scene afterwards, Gandolfini with little dialogue really shows some serious acting chops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Or0e6nAKFg

A downward glance, a sharp frown--remorse, sadness, but also approval for a job that had to be done.

(On a sidenote, I couldn't find the scene where Jackie makes his desperate phone call to Tony. If anyone with better YouTube skills can find it, please post. That's an a emotionally wrenching scene).

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(On a sidenote, I couldn't find the scene where Jackie makes his desperate phone call to Tony. If anyone with better YouTube skills can find it, please post. That's an a emotionally wrenching scene).

Couldn't find it either, but yes, great scene. "Well see if you can figure out the difference."

Semi-related: Omar, before The Wire...

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Any particular reason why Artie decided to off himself over a measly $50K instead of just telling Tony that Frenchie f'd him over?

IIRC, he seriously thought Tony would kill him.
I don't think you RC.
Upon further consideration, I am fairly certain that it is you who doesn't RC, sir.
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There is ZERO chance Tony would have killed Artie over $50K, and I'm certain that was the last thing on Artie's mind. Tony pisses fifty grand. The suicide attempt wasn't about money. It was about being a failure. He was going through a divorce, so he's a failure as a husband. He couldn't afford braces for his daughter, so he's a failure as a father.

His restaurant isn't doing well and Jean-Philippe just screwed him over in a "business deal," so he's a failure as a provider. His lame attempts to make Jean-Philippe's sister fall for him were unsuccessful, so he's a failure as a ladies man. He can neither intimidate nor beat up a 120-lb. French guy, so he's a failure as a tough guy. He can't pay Tony back, so he's a failure as a friend. (Note Artie's frantic phone call to Tony after he took the pills: "I'm sorry I let you down.")

He is despondent. Nothing is going right in his life. So he's going to kill himself because he's afraid of being killed??

:shrug:

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I don't know if it's because I really don't give a #### about the Johhny Sac's wedding and health or Carmella's spec house or A.J.'s identity crisis or Tony getting shot or Vito's dealing with his homosexuality but I've been watching the sixth season again....man it really does pale. Frank Vincent is a horrible antagonist.

:goodposting:

I recently was re-watching the series from start to finish and I completely lost interest in the first half of season 6. Haven't picked it up to watch the rest, which wasn't bad.

When the well of ideas in an awesome TV series starts to run dry, it's sad to watch. :(

That's the entire issue in a nutshell. This show was never supposed to last six seasons. Chase wasn't even sure if it would get picked up after the pilot.
Reading through some of this thread now. Just watched season 6B recently...it's right up there with season 1 and 2 for me. I loved it.

Season 5 was great as well.

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I don't know if it's because I really don't give a #### about the Johhny Sac's wedding and health or Carmella's spec house or A.J.'s identity crisis or Tony getting shot or Vito's dealing with his homosexuality but I've been watching the sixth season again....man it really does pale. Frank Vincent is a horrible antagonist.

:goodposting:

I recently was re-watching the series from start to finish and I completely lost interest in the first half of season 6. Haven't picked it up to watch the rest, which wasn't bad.

When the well of ideas in an awesome TV series starts to run dry, it's sad to watch. :(

That's the entire issue in a nutshell. This show was never supposed to last six seasons. Chase wasn't even sure if it would get picked up after the pilot.
Reading through some of this thread now. Just watched season 6B recently...it's right up there with season 1 and 2 for me. I loved it.

Season 5 was great as well.

Yeah, 6B was decent, if uneven. But the crap with "Kevin Finnerty" early in 6A was nearly unbearable.

Although when Paulie's voice pulled him through, and he heard Meadow saying "Don't go, Daddy"... that was pretty emotional.

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Yup. I always liked the dream sequences though, so it probably worked more for me.

No matter what, the anticipation leading up to those final 4-5 episodes will probably never be topped for me. I remember the constant thinking and talking about what was going to happen. Then to see Bobby, Sil and Chris all go down shortly within each other...it was great tv.

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Yup. I always liked the dream sequences though, so it probably worked more for me. No matter what, the anticipation leading up to those final 4-5 episodes will probably never be topped for me. I remember the constant thinking and talking about what was going to happen. Then to see Bobby, Sil and Chris all go down shortly within each other...it was great tv.

It's fun to go back through the thread and read the posts as the episodes were airing live in the final season. Especially when Junior shot Tony.Everyone was all... :shock:
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There is ZERO chance Tony would have killed Artie over $50K, and I'm certain that was the last thing on Artie's mind. Tony pisses fifty grand. The suicide attempt wasn't about money. It was about being a failure. He was going through a divorce, so he's a failure as a husband. He couldn't afford braces for his daughter, so he's a failure as a father.

His restaurant isn't doing well and Jean-Philippe just screwed him over in a "business deal," so he's a failure as a provider. His lame attempts to make Jean-Philippe's sister fall for him were unsuccessful, so he's a failure as a ladies man. He can neither intimidate nor beat up a 120-lb. French guy, so he's a failure as a tough guy. He can't pay Tony back, so he's a failure as a friend. (Note Artie's frantic phone call to Tony after he took the pills: "I'm sorry I let you down.")

He is despondent. Nothing is going right in his life. So he's going to kill himself because he's afraid of being killed??

:shrug:

To be fair, it's now been a few years since I've watched these particular episodes, but I'm still pretty sure that's why Artie was going to kill himself. Artie's thinking behind it doesn't have to make logical sense (how many suicides do?).

As far as killing himself because he's afraid of being killed, sure. If you felt that the mafia was after you and there was no escape, would you rather die by your own hand, or die by whatever method Tony & friends have planned for you (consider the way Vito died before you answer that)?

Again, it's been years since I've watched these episodes, so I could very well be wrong, but I don't think I am.

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I bought two of those HUGE Sopranos books in the past. The ones with the cast bios, synopsis of all the episodes, body counts, recipes, etc. Many of you probably have the same ones. The first one I bought after season 3. The other one I bought when the series was complete.

I don't read the one which came out after season 3 too much, but I happened to grab it on the way to the :toilet: just now.

They interviewed the entire cast, and had each of them comment on their character. Drea de Matteo's thoughts were... interesting.

[Adriana]

What makes The Sopranos so great is that the women are ruling over the men, and they are not these quiet women who are getting the SH#T kicked out of them. :mellow: The men fear the women more than their male enemies. I swear to God, they do. They can't get rid of us. What are they going to do... kill us? :mellow:

I understand that shooting unwatchable Joey episodes conflicted with her Sopranos schedule, but still. Funny how things turn out.
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Did they kill her because of that stupid Joey show, or was that just in the natural plot arc?

The rumor was that doing both shows was too much for her, so she requested a "resolution" for Adriana.She got one.
Yeah that worked out well for her.
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Did they kill her because of that stupid Joey show, or was that just in the natural plot arc?

The rumor was that doing both shows was too much for her, so she requested a "resolution" for Adriana.She got one.
Yeah that worked out well for her.
Yea, really. Is she on any show now? Employed?
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Did they kill her because of that stupid Joey show, or was that just in the natural plot arc?

The rumor was that doing both shows was too much for her, so she requested a "resolution" for Adriana.She got one.
Yeah that worked out well for her.
Yea, really. Is she on any show now? Employed?
She was on the first season of Sons of Anarchy for a while then left. She just came back on the show last week.
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Did they kill her because of that stupid Joey show, or was that just in the natural plot arc?

The rumor was that doing both shows was too much for her, so she requested a "resolution" for Adriana.She got one.
Yeah that worked out well for her.
Yea, really. Is she on any show now? Employed?
She was on the first season of Sons of Anarchy for a while then left. She just came back on the show last week.
Would have liked to see where the storyline took us had Drea not departed one of the best shows ever for one of the worst.And also if Nancy Marchand hadn't died.
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Did they kill her because of that stupid Joey show, or was that just in the natural plot arc?

The rumor was that doing both shows was too much for her, so she requested a "resolution" for Adriana.She got one.
Yeah that worked out well for her.
Yea, really. Is she on any show now? Employed?
She was on the first season of Sons of Anarchy for a while then left. She just came back on the show last week.
Would have liked to see where the storyline took us had Drea not departed one of the best shows ever for one of the worst.And also if Nancy Marchand hadn't died.
I, for one, was kind of glad when Livia died (not Marchand herself). I hoped that it would cut down on Tony's visits to Dr. Melfi.
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Would have liked to see where the storyline took us had Drea not departed one of the best shows ever for one of the worst.And also if Nancy Marchand hadn't died.

I, for one, was kind of glad when Livia died (not Marchand herself). I hoped that it would cut down on Tony's visits to Dr. Melfi.
Yeah, I don't appreciate all the smarty pants people who tell me that the psychiatry scenes are an important element of the show. I didn't start watching the show to see therapy sessions. I like mob stories. And FWIW, Chase indicated that had Marchand lived, Livia and Tony would have reconciled. Beyond that, who knows.
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Would have liked to see where the storyline took us had Drea not departed one of the best shows ever for one of the worst.And also if Nancy Marchand hadn't died.

I, for one, was kind of glad when Livia died (not Marchand herself). I hoped that it would cut down on Tony's visits to Dr. Melfi.
Yeah, I don't appreciate all the smarty pants people who tell me that the psychiatry scenes are an important element of the show. I didn't start watching the show to see therapy sessions. I like mob stories. And FWIW, Chase indicated that had Marchand lived, Livia and Tony would have reconciled. Beyond that, who knows.
Honestly you can FF through every therapy scene and miss a thing. The show makes perfect sense without them.
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