You saw the waiting room. Exactly what were you expecting to see in the doctor's office that would be so much different than today?Whether or not they actually used coat hangers, they weren't always performed by reputable physicians under the best situations. It's admittedly hard to find unbiased information about exactly how dangerous such abortions were.Doctors didn't actually use coat hangers in alleys before Roe.
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I hold you both equally in the same regard when it comes to your analysis of the show. Not exactly Grade A.
scoobygang
Footballguy
That's obviously true. But the lie works either way. Either the lie convinces Joan that that this is her last chance (so she doesn't go through with the procedure) or she lies to avoid the embarrassment, knowing full well she's giving up her last chance (and subsequently burying her emotions about it, as Joan is wont to do).If Joan does keep the baby, I think the show cheats a bit in thaat scene. I doubt Joan would keep reading her magazine as opposed to excusing herself from the waiting room.I didn't take the scene to suggest that Joan had her own child, but it is true that in the earlier scene with Joan's OB/Gyn, he referred to two previous "procedures". Not two previous abortions.
Elbow Truck Driver
Footballguy
Elbow Truck Driver
Footballguy
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
All those things that she said are in line with Joan's character. She doesn't like to appear vulnerable, her shaking off the abortion as no big deal is typical of Joan. It's not surprising the way she acted and I beleve she's officially done with Roger on any emotional level and she is not going to let her guard down to him again. I think she is shutting him out at this point forever.Had he told her, he wanted the kid, that may have been a different story but I think that was his last shot at her.She had to come back into the office and act like everything is cool. Joan is not old fashioned, even though it seems like she has gotten left behind lately. She is a tough girl who always had sort of a cavalier attitude when it comes to sexual things, this is no different.I do give the writers credit for the words she used though because "we prevented a tragedy" could certainly be taken a couple of ways. But while a lot of women would view the tragedy as having an abortion, the more modern Joan sees it the other way (or at the very least wants Roger to believe that's the way she sees it).
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Elbow Truck Driver
Footballguy
Well, I guess we'll just have to watch her breasts very closely over the next few weeks to see whether they begin to swell up.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
When Brad Hamilton dropped Jennifer Jason Leigh off at the clinic, did we see the abortion? Was there any reason to doubt that it happened?
McJose
Footballguy
Since when does she go bowling anyway?
scoobygang
Footballguy
Mad Men devoted one of it's very best episodes to exploring what it was like to deliver a child in the 1960's. I think fatguy makes a decent point. I don't really know how much the procedure or experience of getting an abortion differed in the 60's, but if it did, I can see how that would have interested Weiner.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
I think Don is beginning to see a certain nurturing quality in Megan that Faye just doesn't have. Also where the #### is Bobby?? I'd be pissed if my sister was getting all the attention.Pooch said:
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
Agree. Mad Men typically doesn't indulge in coy references and inflated dramatics. The Beatles tickets not becoming an issue is a perfect example. Sure, it's possible she didn't go through with it, but I highly doubt that little "clues" are being sprinkled in for viewers to put it together. The clues have to do with themes and subtext, not soap opera twists.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I think the "no abortion" theory is quite valid. Joan said to the woman in the doctor's office about the woman's 17 year old daughter, "She's beautiful." Obviously, Joan knows the abortion means no beautiful 17 year old daughter. And Joan doesn't even know if her husband will ever come back. I put it at 60/40 in favor that she kept the baby.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
Or had one of her previous abortions 15 years ago. But she definitely aborted Roger's baby this time. I thought Sepinwall's writeup was pretty good, regardless of the obviousness of his Beatles comment.She very easily could have had a baby in some sort of maternity home 15 years ago. Not totally unrealistic.
I definitely don't think anyone is out of line for thinking that Joan kept the baby. Her wanting a baby has been a theme this entire season. Couple that with the fact that she told the guys that she hopes they go to Vietnam (where presumably they will die).....her husband not coming back has definitely crossed her mind in this decision......even though she said "Greg dying is not a solution"
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Elbow Truck Driver
Footballguy
It's gonna be super awesome when I'm right and I can rub it in everyone's faces.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
While I am not as certain as you, I too think that she went through with the abortion. Hasn't Weiner does this kind of stuff before (i.e. using ambiguity to lead us to contemplate the most plot twisting dramatic point). Specifically I recall pondering whether Pete Campbell might kill himself. Any other examples?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
McJose
Footballguy
After Peggy had her baby there was some ambiguity as to whether or not she gave it up or it was given to her sister. There was a scene with an infant that some people thought was Peggy's.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Just finally caught up with this show. My only question:
Why am I so infatuated with Joan? Damn she is hot in a real world kindof way.
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McJose
Footballguy
freakinback
Footballguy
With the b.b. gun?
McJose
Footballguy
Thought it was a .22
Jaysus
Good times!
You're thinking PC LoadLetter
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
In other news, donuts are delicious! Who'da thunk it???
Jaysus
Good times!
:whoosh:
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
I'm getting a bad vibe about Faye, like that she's boning Ted Chaough or something...
Righetti
Footballguy
Righetti
Footballguy
agreed.. Lane is better as a supporting suppporting role
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Or at least blackmail the guy. Can't tell if threatening to out Lee is something he'd do, but I'd assume so by how he treated the Honda guys.
McJose
Footballguy
At this point only Don and Sal know about Garner, right? I don't think Roger knows. Although Roger saying something about lying for Garner could allude to him knowing.
Major
Footballguy
Garner is a shady SOB. I think he may just be doing this to see Roger squirm and bend over backward for him.
McJose
Footballguy
Literally even maybe.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Yeah the part about this taking effect immediately because Garner doesn't have any pull with the Board and then 5 seconds later being able to give Roger 30 days seemed strange. There was something off with that entire scene.
Jaysus
Good times!
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Elbow Truck Driver
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McJose
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm sure Sal is coming back.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
No, the results show the opposite. (Although I think she got one.)
Elbow Truck Driver
Footballguy
Whoops. You're right. I read the chart wrong.
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