Soulfly3 said:
I feel like a defense lawyer for JP, when Im really not... he lacks serious substance.
But cmon Andi... you expect us to believe that in ONE night, you realized all that, but had no inclinations about it in the 2 months prior to that night?
I'm calling serious BS. The guy had no game, and has been pulling the "it's ok" shtick since day 1. uninterested etc... nothing new to anyone. And believe me, it wasn't new to her.
I think she probably (at least partially) realized it a long time ago, but was willing to look past it, hoping there was more substance to the guy. Then, after spending an entire night with him (and still not being able to have any meaningful conversation with him), she finally came to grips with what she should have a long time ago... JP is shallow, egotistical, and once you get past the initial attraction, he's pretty much the exact opposite of what most women are looking for (at least intellectually). He's very good at playing dumb, acting like he doesn't understand, getting women to make out with him (particularly when they're confused, or he does it to change the subject or distract them from reality), and playing the father/daughter card. Oh, and brushing hair out of their face. He's terrible at most everything else, in terms of building a meaningful relationship with someone. He probably knows that, and his defense mode (when somebody calls him out on it) is to say "It's OK" as a response to basically everything they say to him. It's like he has a few nervous "ticks" that he resorts to when he's uncomfortable (because he has nothing of substance to say). Brush the hair, shrug the shoulders, and say "It's OK" a lot. Get them to look you in the eye, and hopefully forget what it was they were thinking about (and then maybe make out with him). Rinse, repeat when the next girl seems to be losing interest, etc.
Meh. Don't think Andi's 180 is hard to understand at all.
Up until the fantasy suite she was thinking they just never had enough time or space to have 'those kinds' of talks, but after spending 12 hours with the guy without world-class scenery and/or entertainment she realized there's pretty much just no one home and that he wasn't really into her.
Then she wanted him to say something to make her feel better, but he wouldn't -- which just made her try harder.
In the end she's just too smart and ambitious (career ambition, emotional ambition, relationship ambition) for him. No harm, no foul except that she didn't figure it out sooner and he didn't tell her.
Pretty much this. Andi was not only pissed off at JP, but also at herself for wasting so much time on the guy. And, for not coming to her senses sooner, even though deep down, she probably knew that it was going nowhere long ago. She just never faced that reality until the fantasy suite, at which time she realized that he REALLY has no substance intellectually. Then, in their final conversation (before she left), I think it just pissed her off, the more she talked to him, and got nothing but "It's OK" in return. Because, let's face it... JP is not smart, but he's also a bit of a bull####ter. How much of his schtick is stupidity, versus how much is BS, nobody really knows. But, I think it was just agitating for her to realize that someone could be that dumb and/or full of ####.
Essentially, there are plenty of D-bags like JP in the world. The difference is that relatively smart women usually pick up on the D-bags fairly quickly, but in JP's case, many were fooled for quite a while, due to his ability to throw them off-track (with his looks, "language barrier", making up rules about making out, etc.).
