Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Man that course is killing the field. Just looked at Tiger's round and saw that +13 is currently T36th (out of 156 that started the week).
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Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
Courses should not be too easy for pro tournies. Let me do the landscaping and no one will even qualify.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
We are keeping the faith - I will take on the same longer term bet Otis has if someone wants it
flapgreen
Footballguy
sporthenry
Footballguy
He has won 4 titles this year. And as terrible as he played, still finished T32. As terrible as he played today, he tied for the 28th best round. Certainly there are questions abound with Tiger but just look at Phil's last 4 majors before this. 54, 36, cut, 65.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Look at the supposed top guys going into this.
Rory? Scott? Kuchar? Tiger?
They all crapped the bed.
Tough course...tough conditions...and Tiger did suck and could not putt.
But...but...this was the year he got his swing back and he was supposed to DOMINATE. Are you comparing him to others?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well, that you take Otis' talk seriously with the dominate stuff says a bit about you.
His swing for the most part is fine.
His putting and short game were terrible
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
He did still beat something like 75% of the field this week.
T-25th/T-29th 2001 British and PGA
T-39th/T-22nd 2003 PGA and 2004 Masters
But this is ridiculous...
From 2005 through the US Open in 2009 (16 major tournaments), here are Woods's finishes:
Champion: six
Runner up: four
3rd: one
4th: one
6th: two
12th: one
Cut: one (after the layoff following his father's death)
can you imagine anyone saying this about Tiger in his prime?
he was awful but still finished tied for 32nd! OMG the best of all time!
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Dark Matter
Footballguy
The fire he once had is dying. You have to only look as far as the reaction he had after shooting 76 on Saturday. He and Rory shook hands and laughed off the fact they just got pummeled by some guy named Fdez-Castano and a host of others. Old Tiger wanted to rip off your head and piss down your throat, new Tiger is alright with getting beat by also ran's. The King is dead, long live the King.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Definitely wants it too much.
optionmaven
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
SportsCenter ✔ @SportsCenter
Tiger Woods finishes +13 (4-over 74 today), the worst finish in a major championship in his professional career.
3:00 PM - 16 Jun 2013
Tiger Woods finishes +13 (4-over 74 today), the worst finish in a major championship in his professional career.
3:00 PM - 16 Jun 2013
Apple Jack
Footballguy
T32 is not even close to the worst finish in a major of his professional career. Whoever posted that tweet is an idiot.
sporthenry
Footballguy
Obviously, he isn't in his prime and he isn't as dominant but you still take him over any other golfer to win.Aaron Rudnicki said:
And I'd imagine they did say it during his prime like when he finished T12, T25 and T29 in the 3 majors after winning the last 4 Majors. Or when he missed the cut in 2006 US Open in the midst of one of his greatest runs. Or when Jack missed 3 Major cuts during his prime.
During his prime, they were seen as blips while now, everyone wants to overreact to every poor performance, hence why I said, he still finished T-32.
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Dark Matter
Footballguy
He may want it more but he is distracted and not as singular in his pursuit as he once was. He's certainly does not appear to be as disappointed when he doesn't live up to his own expectations.
zoonation
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
1 Tiger Woods, USA 13.06 522.36 40 -123.90 304.94
2 Rory McIlroy, Nir 9.52 457.18 48 -230.36 66.23
3 Justin Rose, Eng 8.19 425.78 52 -125.91 216.94
4 Adam Scott, Aus 7.35 301.47 41 -107.06 147.82
5 Matt Kuchar, USA 6.69 347.62 52 -105.36 226.64
6 Phil Mickelson, USA 6.17 302.49 49 -100.96 173.58
7 Luke Donald, Eng 6.07 309.69 51 -201.47 71.42
8 Brandt Snedeker, USA 5.97 310.18 52 -116.05 154.17
9 Graeme McDowell, Nir 5.59 290.60 52 -91.44 128.93
10 Louis Oosthuizen, Zaf 5.28 274.68 52 -112.48 66.95
Nipsey
Footballguy
I really think he misses Williams out there. Williams had a very protective presence on the course, kind of helped Tiger chill out a bit. LaCava is a fine caddy but he doesn't have that kind of chemistry with Tiger that Williams had with him. It's almost like he needs a big personality/ego on the bag to relate with while on the course.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Maybe, but the general feeling is that LaCava is a tremendous caddie, maybe better than Stevie. Tiger hasn't changed one bit with course demeanor. He doesn't chill out. When he hits a bad shot he gets pissed. Part of this is he feels the weight of winning a major after going 5 years without one. When he finally gets one he could fire off several over a couple year period. It was like when he came back the pressure to win again at all the first time. Once he did, he was back to his normal, ridiculous 40% winning percentage. So he's pressing. Slow conditions gave him fits. He should have been under par the first two days but just gave away shots with poor speed on putts and chips. He's done that before with slow greens. But then he just didn't execute. Started missing fairways, which is death. Everyone thought that with the driver out of his hands he could just hit stingers all day long to find fairways and have an advantage. Didn't happen. Just missed too many fairways to have a chance to win. And if he doesn't win, he really doesn't care. Mailed in yesterday's round.
zoonation
Footballguy
He had a nice little run there at the beginning of the year, no doubt. The putter is stone cold now and his short game is awful again.
1 Tiger Woods, USA 13.06 522.36 40 -123.90 304.94
2 Rory McIlroy, Nir 9.52 457.18 48 -230.36 66.23
3 Justin Rose, Eng 8.19 425.78 52 -125.91 216.94
4 Adam Scott, Aus 7.35 301.47 41 -107.06 147.82
5 Matt Kuchar, USA 6.69 347.62 52 -105.36 226.64
6 Phil Mickelson, USA 6.17 302.49 49 -100.96 173.58
7 Luke Donald, Eng 6.07 309.69 51 -201.47 71.42
8 Brandt Snedeker, USA 5.97 310.18 52 -116.05 154.17
9 Graeme McDowell, Nir 5.59 290.60 52 -91.44 128.93
10 Louis Oosthuizen, Zaf 5.28 274.68 52 -112.48 66.95
5 more majors? Not a chance.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Meh. It was a good run.
sporthenry
Footballguy
Nicklaus won 4 majors after 37 and was in the hunt for quite a few more. I'd say his best bet is to win 2-3 more in the next 3 years much like Nicklaus, then just hope to put together a great tourney or two when conditions are ideal. This tournament wasn't really ideal. Luckily, he plays well at Augusta which also happened to be Jack's last title and 5 of his last 6 top 10's in Majors.He had a nice little run there at the beginning of the year, no doubt. The putter is stone cold now and his short game is awful again.5 more majors? Not a chance.some quality spin right there.
1 Tiger Woods, USA 13.06 522.36 40 -123.90 304.94
2 Rory McIlroy, Nir 9.52 457.18 48 -230.36 66.23
3 Justin Rose, Eng 8.19 425.78 52 -125.91 216.94
4 Adam Scott, Aus 7.35 301.47 41 -107.06 147.82
5 Matt Kuchar, USA 6.69 347.62 52 -105.36 226.64
6 Phil Mickelson, USA 6.17 302.49 49 -100.96 173.58
7 Luke Donald, Eng 6.07 309.69 51 -201.47 71.42
8 Brandt Snedeker, USA 5.97 310.18 52 -116.05 154.17
9 Graeme McDowell, Nir 5.59 290.60 52 -91.44 128.93
10 Louis Oosthuizen, Zaf 5.28 274.68 52 -112.48 66.95
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Maybe that's looking at the same net effect, but from the wrong direction. No change in desire, but nerves become a different thing as you get older. Plus maybe a little bit of seeing 18 beginning to come into sight. Granted, that break at Augusta probably cost him the tournament, so there is an excuse there. One thing is for sure, he could use another half hour with Stricker.
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I think it will be harder for Tiger to compete as he gets older. THe younger golfers today are better than the younger golfers Jack was facing as he was aging.Nicklaus won 4 majors after 37 and was in the hunt for quite a few more. I'd say his best bet is to win 2-3 more in the next 3 years much like Nicklaus, then just hope to put together a great tourney or two when conditions are ideal. This tournament wasn't really ideal. Luckily, he plays well at Augusta which also happened to be Jack's last title and 5 of his last 6 top 10's in Majors.He had a nice little run there at the beginning of the year, no doubt. The putter is stone cold now and his short game is awful again.5 more majors? Not a chance.
1 Tiger Woods, USA 13.06 522.36 40 -123.90 304.94
2 Rory McIlroy, Nir 9.52 457.18 48 -230.36 66.23
3 Justin Rose, Eng 8.19 425.78 52 -125.91 216.94
4 Adam Scott, Aus 7.35 301.47 41 -107.06 147.82
5 Matt Kuchar, USA 6.69 347.62 52 -105.36 226.64
6 Phil Mickelson, USA 6.17 302.49 49 -100.96 173.58
7 Luke Donald, Eng 6.07 309.69 51 -201.47 71.42
8 Brandt Snedeker, USA 5.97 310.18 52 -116.05 154.17
9 Graeme McDowell, Nir 5.59 290.60 52 -91.44 128.93
10 Louis Oosthuizen, Zaf 5.28 274.68 52 -112.48 66.95
Tiger intimidated almost an entire generation of PGA professionals, but these young guys are not intimidated the way the guys were when Tiger burst onto the scene. They can all hit it as long and as straight as Tiger, and as they gain experience they will continue to elbow him out of the way.
Otis
Footballguy
Jayrok
Footballguy
It appears to me that he is just pressing right now. He seems more relaxed during some tournaments like the Byron Nelson, but tenses up more during majors because he's trying too hard to make perfect shots. Then he gets down on himself and misses short putts where he used to be automatic.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Pretty impressive actually seeing how 6 of the 9 golfers right below Tiger has all won majors more recently than him. Some more than one.
1 Tiger Woods, USA 13.06 522.36 40 -123.90 304.94
2 Rory McIlroy, Nir 9.52 457.18 48
-230.36 66.23
3 Justin Rose, Eng 8.19 425.78 52 -125.91 216.94
4 Adam Scott, Aus 7.35 301.47 41
-107.06 147.82
5 Matt Kuchar, USA 6.69 347.62 52 -105.36 226.64
6 Phil Mickelson, USA 6.17 302.49 49
-100.96 173.58
7 Luke Donald, Eng 6.07 309.69 51 -201.47 71.42
8 Brandt Snedeker, USA 5.97 310.18
52 -116.05 154.17
9 Graeme McDowell, Nir 5.59 290.60 52 -91.44 128.93
10 Louis Oosthuizen, Zaf 5.28 274.68
52 -112.48 66.95
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McGarnicle
Footballguy
Tiger is near the top of the list of famous people I'd not like to have a beer with.
He definitely hears the echoes of all those saying he hasn't won a major in five years. He presses and gets frustrated and over-thinks in majors. He'll play some rinky-dink tournament soon and win it by 8 strokes. That's what he is now. He's golf's equivalent of the New England Patriots. Regular season dynamos.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Way too much made about the intimidation factor. And while on any given week somebody may hit it as long and straight as Tiger, nobody does it as consistently. McElroy vanishes. Justin Rose can be invisible for long stretches. Bubba? Dustin Johnson? How consistent are these guys? They play well for a month or two at a stretch and that's it. Tiger wins at almost a 40% clip. Think about that. It isn't about intimidation. It's about putting a # on a scorecard. And Tiger does it better more consistently than anybody in history. The only one who can really beat Tiger is Tiger. When he's on he has no equal. I know his putting gets bashed, and he's not quite as good as he was before, but he's light years ahead of any of the "just as long and just as straight" as any name you can come up with in that category.I think it will be harder for Tiger to compete as he gets older. THe younger golfers today are better than the younger golfers Jack was facing as he was aging.Nicklaus won 4 majors after 37 and was in the hunt for quite a few more. I'd say his best bet is to win 2-3 more in the next 3 years much like Nicklaus, then just hope to put together a great tourney or two when conditions are ideal. This tournament wasn't really ideal. Luckily, he plays well at Augusta which also happened to be Jack's last title and 5 of his last 6 top 10's in Majors.He had a nice little run there at the beginning of the year, no doubt. The putter is stone cold now and his short game is awful again.5 more majors? Not a chance.
1 Tiger Woods, USA 13.06 522.36 40 -123.90 304.94
2 Rory McIlroy, Nir 9.52 457.18 48 -230.36 66.23
3 Justin Rose, Eng 8.19 425.78 52 -125.91 216.94
4 Adam Scott, Aus 7.35 301.47 41 -107.06 147.82
5 Matt Kuchar, USA 6.69 347.62 52 -105.36 226.64
6 Phil Mickelson, USA 6.17 302.49 49 -100.96 173.58
7 Luke Donald, Eng 6.07 309.69 51 -201.47 71.42
8 Brandt Snedeker, USA 5.97 310.18 52 -116.05 154.17
9 Graeme McDowell, Nir 5.59 290.60 52 -91.44 128.93
10 Louis Oosthuizen, Zaf 5.28 274.68 52 -112.48 66.95
Tiger intimidated almost an entire generation of PGA professionals, but these young guys are not intimidated the way the guys were when Tiger burst onto the scene. They can all hit it as long and as straight as Tiger, and as they gain experience they will continue to elbow him out of the way.
Lol. Ok He relaxes, stays calm, and stays focused. Funny how the number one golfer in the world can't seem to win one major in five years. You have blinders on, Buddy. I was trying to use descriptions that beat around the bush. But we both know that Woods flat-out chokes at majors. There. I said it.
