Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Who do you suggest Einstein? Alex Smith? He would be a long term solution and he simply is blah.
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
I didn't mention Bradford's ability at all. I mentioned that the Browns should bring in a vet QB days ago in this thread. But, you have to at least choose a vet that isn't broken down and can actually be on the field on Sunday's or the Browns will be right back where they were this year.
amnesiac
beer is good
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
If you're gonna do that just stick with Kizer. Maybe he plays better and grows some trade value. You've already burned a 2nd rounder on Kizer and 1.01 on the stud, don't blow another 2nd on Smith who only has one year left on his contract. Sign a cheap vet that can teach the kid how to watch film and take coaching points because God knows Hue isn't going to do that. McCown would be ideal if it weren't such an ironic concept. Ryan Fitzpatrick maybe.
beer 30
Footballguy
#truth The Browns were hot for JG but got shown the door. Again, I still believe Bill did it out of spite. There was no team poised to make a better offer than the Browns with the draft picks they have stockpiled and there is no team that does more with draft picks than NE, a seeming match mad in heaven.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
We have to give up draft picks. Bradford would only require cap space.
We have John Dorsey, lets see what he can do since he has an established track record of being part of good NFL drafts.
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Bradford-yeah good luck with that. Ask all the other teams how that worked out. He is done as a starter.
A. Smth-Smith has maybe 3-4 years left in his career. He has plenty of $$$ in the bank, do you really think he is going to give up on a championship to chase cash??
McCown-I don't think he will be jumping to come back, and the Jets will like keep him.
Fitzmagic-really is that what you think helps the browns?
Any QB who takes a bucket of case to come to the Browns has given up on a championship, is that who you want?
Such a mess...if only you could have gotten Wentz or Watson......oh wait you could have....
A. Smth-Smith has maybe 3-4 years left in his career. He has plenty of $$$ in the bank, do you really think he is going to give up on a championship to chase cash??
McCown-I don't think he will be jumping to come back, and the Jets will like keep him.
Fitzmagic-really is that what you think helps the browns?
Any QB who takes a bucket of case to come to the Browns has given up on a championship, is that who you want?
Such a mess...if only you could have gotten Wentz or Watson......oh wait you could have....
Peak
Footballguy
We have 3 2nd rnd picks, of which I think we can burn one on Smith who has a few years left in the tank. Even if he stays with us for a year, that's all we would need in order for the younger QB to learn. I'd rather have Darnold/Mayfield and Kizer, over just Kizer. Let the young QBs fight it out for the starting spot after Smith is gone. We've done the cheap vets and they haven't gotten us anywhere. If we spend the $$ on Cousins, then I don't see CLE drafting a QB in the 1st rnd. I'm not a fan of that idea, but it's one being sent around. I'd rather have someone proven who can get the job done that is willing to train the next QB in waiting. Hell, if Manning is shown the door - go get him. I completely agree that Hue won't do that, or most likely can't do that, so I'd rather find someone proven that can do that and is willing.Hankmoody said:
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
THAT is your take? How weak and sad.hoffman0001 said:
You are trolling Browns fans. We walk over steaming piles like you every day.
Your not worth scorn.
You are a perfect inept anachronistic %^&*@!.
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On how much of the Browns’ decision was based on what occurred at the trade deadline:
Haslam: “Zero. Zero.”
On Brown not being able to execute the trade:
Haslam: “I will place that way more on me than on Sashi. We were having a conversation. I probably pushed the question-asking further than I should. I do not blame that on Sashi. I think we decided to push the go button later than we should. I think Sashi [was publicly criticized] way too much. I want to make clear, that had nothing to do with this decision.”
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On if Jackson will return in 2018 regardless of how the current season finishes:
Haslam: “Yeah, absolutely. I think it would be a mistake to just zero in on ’18. We are planning on Hue Jackson being our football coach for a long time and he and John working closely together for a long time.”
With The Browns hiring an OC and QB coach maybe Hue is the new Jason Garrett. The owner sticks by him no matter what.
Haslam: “Zero. Zero.”
On Brown not being able to execute the trade:
Haslam: “I will place that way more on me than on Sashi. We were having a conversation. I probably pushed the question-asking further than I should. I do not blame that on Sashi. I think we decided to push the go button later than we should. I think Sashi [was publicly criticized] way too much. I want to make clear, that had nothing to do with this decision.”
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On if Jackson will return in 2018 regardless of how the current season finishes:
Haslam: “Yeah, absolutely. I think it would be a mistake to just zero in on ’18. We are planning on Hue Jackson being our football coach for a long time and he and John working closely together for a long time.”
With The Browns hiring an OC and QB coach maybe Hue is the new Jason Garrett. The owner sticks by him no matter what.
msommer
Footballguy
You're assuming they want to keep Teddy. I don't know that. You don't know that.Bracie Smathers said:
Logic will have it they cannot pay for more than one. But what has Teddy done for them lately?
Personally I think they ditch both Teddy and Sam if Case has a decent showing in the playoffs
hoffman0001
Footballguy
Yes, my take is your team has had the ability to fix this train wreck of a team and keep failing. If you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality, that's your choice. Just keep supporting a bad organization that can't get out of it's own way....
ghostguy123
Footballguy
???? Even after the deal they had like 70 million in cap room that they didnt spend.BassNBrew said:
Its rather OBVIOUS they would not have used that 16 million for players to win "now". However, they now have pick 35 for "free".
ghostguy123
Footballguy
???? Even after the deal they had like 70 million in cap room that they didnt spend.BassNBrew said:
Its rather OBVIOUS they would not have used that 16 million for players to win "now". However, they now have pick 35 for "free".
MAC_32
Footballguy
Iirc Teddy was vocal in the pre and post draft process about not wanting to come here too.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Chasers Dawg
Footballguy
Not sure of how it works, but Browns may have incured a financial penalty for not meeting league min salary anyhow. So maybe it really didn't cost them $16mil
ghostguy123
Footballguy
That too. Meeting the salary cap floor.
Guys, its very obvious sashi was not trying to win in 2016 or 2017. However had he beed retained that plan would have changed for 2018 with so much draft capital and cap space going into year 3.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
That could easily be true. Bring sashi in the the rebuild/stockpile, then bring in a GM with experience putting a good team together
amnesiac
beer is good
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
DallasDMac
Footballguy
The part on why the trade didn't happen perhaps. The fact that the Browns contacted the Patriots repeatedly about a trade isn't. This was just one article. A simple google search returns dozens.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
""They tried, apparently, this fall,"
"Schefter theorized that the Patriots knew they had to move Garoppolo before the trade deadline," So Shefter has nothing but conjecture about the trade deadline.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
You being obtuse on purpose?
It was also "speculation" they dealt with the 49ers to be able to get Hoyer. I bet you called that pure conjecture.......till it happened.
Its pretty obvious the browns made offers for a QB at the deadline, but accoring to you it seems like the browns just forgot about JG eh? Yeah, sounds super likely.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
It's not at all obtuse to use the actual words from the article. What is obtuse is not paying attention to what I've been saying and just making your own stuff up. I don't think they forgot about JG, I think Sashi fell asleep at the wheel by making an assumption he wasn't available and never making an offer. I haven't seen one credible source imply Cleveland had any contact with NEP at the trade deadline, have you? Show me a single one if you can.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So which teams did contact NE about JG at the deadline? Please show me credible sources of every team who made an offer or had contact.
More to come after your reply.
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
What does that have to do with anything? There's no reason to keep responding to you if you aren't going to stick to what I wrote. I haven't said anything about any other team.
daveR
Footballguy
I guess that's his point. IF "Sashi fell asleep", there wouldn't be any evidence, would there? (Unless you were there, onsite, with him or the Pats.) The same holds if he DID make a call.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Exactly. The ONLY team we heard anything about was san fran, who happened to have Hoyer, who happens to be in the NFC, who happens to have guys the Pats are familiar with for negotiations.
Unless of course you are saying all the other teams who wanted JG also fell asleep at the wheel.
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
I'm going by the reports that Sashi didn't even know Garoppolo was available for trade. It would be kind of hard for him to not know that if he had been in contact with them. He left the office at 5:00 on the day the trade was made and while yes, he could conceivably have had his cellphone to make calls, you can't tell me he was in the best possible position to do business. This isn't some entrepreneur running a local taco truck, this is a guy with an Executive Vice President title with one of the 32 most prestigious football entities in the entire world (cue the Ohio State/Alabama jokes!). It's inexcusable to not be all on top of things like that.
If you need NSA satellite coverage of Sashi's activities for the 48 hours preceding the trade deadline then no, sorry, I can't release that to you.
Not really, because we also heard about the Browns, and that Sashi wasn't in the building and wasn't aware JG was even available. Look if you want to give the guy running the worst NFL team in the world a pass feel free. But me, I expect someone in that position to be making every possible effort to improve the team. Leaving at 5:00 and not even being aware a coveted guy was available doesn't meet my expectations.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And read the rest of my post that you quoted
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I gave up.
Even the ESPN story that everyone is talking about today essentially says BB picked up the phone (because he was told to) and struck a deal with Kyle without going back to any of the other teams that were ever after JG (ya know, the teams that were told JG is off limits). Most of the information on this subject, gathered from a variety of sources and articles, lead down one particular path. But hey, there's gonna be people that think the Browns front office just "fell asleep at the wheel" and there's nothing anyone will be able to do about that.
Even the ESPN story that everyone is talking about today essentially says BB picked up the phone (because he was told to) and struck a deal with Kyle without going back to any of the other teams that were ever after JG (ya know, the teams that were told JG is off limits). Most of the information on this subject, gathered from a variety of sources and articles, lead down one particular path. But hey, there's gonna be people that think the Browns front office just "fell asleep at the wheel" and there's nothing anyone will be able to do about that.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Bobcat, so ur sayin Sashi fell asleep cause he at too much candy?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Serious question, anyone going to the parade tomorrow?
beer 30
Footballguy
hoffman recently tried that. I think you still see his head on a pike in front of the stadium.
Was going to ask that as well. More curious than anything, not my cup of tea.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I might consider. Just to get out of the house and go downtown, check it out for a bit, then go get some food and drinks at barrio 
ghostguy123
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
i have to work.
it starts at noon.
i wouldve considered going. i think you have to find humor in this mess.
and i think it sends a message to the owner that the fans are fed up.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
You people sure are dense. I am not talking about what BB did, I am talking about what Sashi didn't do. He should have been calling NEP every week "hey, just checking in, I'm still looking for a QB as he trade deadline approaches, let me know if something can be done". If BB was willing to go scorched earth trading the guy for nothing, why weren't the Browns the ones in position to capitalize? Why wasn't he offering more? Hell they offered a 2nd and 3rd for the donkey in CIN. Why did BB have to be the one picking up the phone, why wasn't Sashi the one reaching out to him? This guy's primary job is to increase talent on the team yet he didn't even try.
If you think it's acceptable to just sit there (or go home at 5:00) and wait for someone to come offer you a gift horse trade, then it's pretty clear why the franchise is a joke.
If you think it's acceptable to just sit there (or go home at 5:00) and wait for someone to come offer you a gift horse trade, then it's pretty clear why the franchise is a joke.
