Peak
Footballguy
I would imagine he would have to in order to be on a WWE PPV, right? Or is NXT truly managed like a minor league farm system for WWE, to which a contract covers work in both areas?
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
From Wrestlezone:
NXT Champion Kevin Owens has been added to the advertised roster for almost every WWE RAW television taping from now until August 17th, the go-home show to the annual SummerSlam pay-per-view.
Owens will face U.S. Champion John Cena at this weekend’s Elimination Chamber special on the WWE Network, and is listed for Monday’s episode of RAW in San Antonio, TX. Whether this is intentional or they just haven’t updated the advertising yet, Owens is not listed for next month’s Money in the Bank event, but is listed for WWE Battleground on July 19th.
WWE.com does not yet list K.O. on their main roster page of Superstars and Divas, but that may simply be due to him still holding the NXT Championship. As the next NXT Takeover live special hasn’t been announced yet, it’s safe to assume Owens will retain his title for at least two, if not the next three months.
For the first time, it would appear the company is using their top NXT star and current champion to represent the Network-exclusive brand on WWE television, meaning that he is both a main roster star and an NXT star.
NXT Champion Kevin Owens has been added to the advertised roster for almost every WWE RAW television taping from now until August 17th, the go-home show to the annual SummerSlam pay-per-view.
Owens will face U.S. Champion John Cena at this weekend’s Elimination Chamber special on the WWE Network, and is listed for Monday’s episode of RAW in San Antonio, TX. Whether this is intentional or they just haven’t updated the advertising yet, Owens is not listed for next month’s Money in the Bank event, but is listed for WWE Battleground on July 19th.
WWE.com does not yet list K.O. on their main roster page of Superstars and Divas, but that may simply be due to him still holding the NXT Championship. As the next NXT Takeover live special hasn’t been announced yet, it’s safe to assume Owens will retain his title for at least two, if not the next three months.
For the first time, it would appear the company is using their top NXT star and current champion to represent the Network-exclusive brand on WWE television, meaning that he is both a main roster star and an NXT star.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
Bottom line is, for myself and a #### load of "casual" (WWE) wrestling fans, Styles will be a name we've heard, but a guy who could never make it in the big leagues.Just because you are ignorant on anything outside of WWE doesn't mean Styles is missing out on some magical fortune by refusing to work 300 days a year and work 4 minute matches with Bo Dallas. Instead, he is the champion of Japan and is the top dog in the Bullet Club, which is rapidly becoming a big brand in America and even globally. NJPW pays their top talent extremely well and, while he may be leaving a little bit of money on the table by not working for Vince, he also works about half the dates and has a ton more freedom.I get why guys like Owens (family) and Joe (challenge) sign with WWE...just like I get why Styles doesn't.Actually there isn't. Nobody except hardcore fans give a crap about New Japan, ROH, or any Indy bull####. If Styles wants to be a star, he needs Vince. Seth Rollins was on the Today show and John Stewart for ####s sake.Oh come the #### on. He's got plenty of exposure in New Japan being their title holder and he owes WWE nothing, especially when they low-balled him after he left TNA. There's a much bigger world out there than just what bat#### Vince provides.Personal pride? Ego? I'd think if he's so great he would want to prove it on, let's be honest, the only stage that matters mainstream wise.WWE interested in NJPW champion AJ Styles?
He's been champion just about everywhere. What could McMahon offer him besides lots of cash? Is 300+ days per year on the road worth it? I would imagine his run with the Bullet Club in NJPW would be better for him - fewer cards, less travel, etc.
But, who knows?
Are we going to need to add wrestling to that snob thread?
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
I think that casual fans care more about the highlighted points above, and veteran wrestlers like Styles care more about the money and respect from their peers over adulation from casual fans.Bottom line is, for myself and a #### load of "casual" (WWE) wrestling fans, Styles will be a name we've heard, but a guy who could never make it in the big leagues.Just because you are ignorant on anything outside of WWE doesn't mean Styles is missing out on some magical fortune by refusing to work 300 days a year and work 4 minute matches with Bo Dallas. Instead, he is the champion of Japan and is the top dog in the Bullet Club, which is rapidly becoming a big brand in America and even globally. NJPW pays their top talent extremely well and, while he may be leaving a little bit of money on the table by not working for Vince, he also works about half the dates and has a ton more freedom.I get why guys like Owens (family) and Joe (challenge) sign with WWE...just like I get why Styles doesn't.Actually there isn't. Nobody except hardcore fans give a crap about New Japan, ROH, or any Indy bull####. If Styles wants to be a star, he needs Vince. Seth Rollins was on the Today show and John Stewart for ####s sake.Oh come the #### on. He's got plenty of exposure in New Japan being their title holder and he owes WWE nothing, especially when they low-balled him after he left TNA. There's a much bigger world out there than just what bat#### Vince provides.Personal pride? Ego? I'd think if he's so great he would want to prove it on, let's be honest, the only stage that matters mainstream wise.WWE interested in NJPW champion AJ Styles?
He's been champion just about everywhere. What could McMahon offer him besides lots of cash? Is 300+ days per year on the road worth it? I would imagine his run with the Bullet Club in NJPW would be better for him - fewer cards, less travel, etc.
But, who knows?
Are we going to need to add wrestling to that snob thread?
I was recently listening to an episode of Wooooo! Nation (Flair's new podcast). Flair was saying that Hansen and Brody were making $20K a week in New Japan during the 80s. Flair sounded downright jealous. Vader also made more cash in Japan than America. Despite many of their best years and matches being in Japan, Vader, Hansen, and Brody are all considered Hall of Famers among American wrestlers, and all three are certified legends in Japan.
Sure WWE dwarfs New Japan internationally, but New Japan is (I'm guessing) the second biggest wrestling organization in the world. New Japan is a big league. It's not like Styles is in the Indies.
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Bogart
Footballguy
Part of his shtick. He's not there to make friends, he's just there to support his family. He is a prize fighter and does it for the money.
Probably. You're really coming off as some elitist douchecanoe with how you're attached to Vince's knob.RBM said:Bottom line is, for myself and a #### load of "casual" (WWE) wrestling fans, Styles will be a name we've heard, but a guy who could never make it in the big leagues.Are we going to need to add wrestling to that snob thread?Brady Marino said:Just because you are ignorant on anything outside of WWE doesn't mean Styles is missing out on some magical fortune by refusing to work 300 days a year and work 4 minute matches with Bo Dallas. Instead, he is the champion of Japan and is the top dog in the Bullet Club, which is rapidly becoming a big brand in America and even globally. NJPW pays their top talent extremely well and, while he may be leaving a little bit of money on the table by not working for Vince, he also works about half the dates and has a ton more freedom.I get why guys like Owens (family) and Joe (challenge) sign with WWE...just like I get why Styles doesn't.RBM said:Actually there isn't. Nobody except hardcore fans give a crap about New Japan, ROH, or any Indy bull####. If Styles wants to be a star, he needs Vince. Seth Rollins was on the Today show and John Stewart for ####s sake.Brady Marino said:Oh come the #### on. He's got plenty of exposure in New Japan being their title holder and he owes WWE nothing, especially when they low-balled him after he left TNA. There's a much bigger world out there than just what bat#### Vince provides.Personal pride? Ego? I'd think if he's so great he would want to prove it on, let's be honest, the only stage that matters mainstream wise.WWE interested in NJPW champion AJ Styles?
He's been champion just about everywhere. What could McMahon offer him besides lots of cash? Is 300+ days per year on the road worth it? I would imagine his run with the Bullet Club in NJPW would be better for him - fewer cards, less travel, etc.
But, who knows?
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
SlaX
Footballguy
I prefer Botchamania, but it's the same concept. Not surprised to see a lot of CZW on there.
Looks like he started cropping the video. I'm not a fan of that, but I still like the videos.
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RBM
Footballguy
I was actually talking about the Indy loving marks being the snobs.Probably. You're really coming off as some elitist douchecanoe with how you're attached to Vince's knob.RBM said:Bottom line is, for myself and a #### load of "casual" (WWE) wrestling fans, Styles will be a name we've heard, but a guy who could never make it in the big leagues.Are we going to need to add wrestling to that snob thread?Brady Marino said:Just because you are ignorant on anything outside of WWE doesn't mean Styles is missing out on some magical fortune by refusing to work 300 days a year and work 4 minute matches with Bo Dallas. Instead, he is the champion of Japan and is the top dog in the Bullet Club, which is rapidly becoming a big brand in America and even globally. NJPW pays their top talent extremely well and, while he may be leaving a little bit of money on the table by not working for Vince, he also works about half the dates and has a ton more freedom.I get why guys like Owens (family) and Joe (challenge) sign with WWE...just like I get why Styles doesn't.RBM said:Actually there isn't. Nobody except hardcore fans give a crap about New Japan, ROH, or any Indy bull####. If Styles wants to be a star, he needs Vince. Seth Rollins was on the Today show and John Stewart for ####s sake.Brady Marino said:Oh come the #### on. He's got plenty of exposure in New Japan being their title holder and he owes WWE nothing, especially when they low-balled him after he left TNA. There's a much bigger world out there than just what bat#### Vince provides.Personal pride? Ego? I'd think if he's so great he would want to prove it on, let's be honest, the only stage that matters mainstream wise.WWE interested in NJPW champion AJ Styles?
He's been champion just about everywhere. What could McMahon offer him besides lots of cash? Is 300+ days per year on the road worth it? I would imagine his run with the Bullet Club in NJPW would be better for him - fewer cards, less travel, etc.
But, who knows?
So the people who enjoy a wide array of wrestling in various formats on a global scale are the snobs instead of the guy who is praising nothing but a single product?I was actually talking about the Indy loving marks being the snobs.Probably. You're really coming off as some elitist douchecanoe with how you're attached to Vince's knob.RBM said:Bottom line is, for myself and a #### load of "casual" (WWE) wrestling fans, Styles will be a name we've heard, but a guy who could never make it in the big leagues.Are we going to need to add wrestling to that snob thread?Brady Marino said:Just because you are ignorant on anything outside of WWE doesn't mean Styles is missing out on some magical fortune by refusing to work 300 days a year and work 4 minute matches with Bo Dallas. Instead, he is the champion of Japan and is the top dog in the Bullet Club, which is rapidly becoming a big brand in America and even globally. NJPW pays their top talent extremely well and, while he may be leaving a little bit of money on the table by not working for Vince, he also works about half the dates and has a ton more freedom.I get why guys like Owens (family) and Joe (challenge) sign with WWE...just like I get why Styles doesn't.RBM said:Actually there isn't. Nobody except hardcore fans give a crap about New Japan, ROH, or any Indy bull####. If Styles wants to be a star, he needs Vince. Seth Rollins was on the Today show and John Stewart for ####s sake.Brady Marino said:Oh come the #### on. He's got plenty of exposure in New Japan being their title holder and he owes WWE nothing, especially when they low-balled him after he left TNA. There's a much bigger world out there than just what bat#### Vince provides.Personal pride? Ego? I'd think if he's so great he would want to prove it on, let's be honest, the only stage that matters mainstream wise.WWE interested in NJPW champion AJ Styles?
He's been champion just about everywhere. What could McMahon offer him besides lots of cash? Is 300+ days per year on the road worth it? I would imagine his run with the Bullet Club in NJPW would be better for him - fewer cards, less travel, etc.
But, who knows?
Brady Marino
Footballguy
How dare us like more than one wrestling promotion.So the people who enjoy a wide array of wrestling in various formats on a global scale are the snobs instead of the guy who is praising nothing but a single product?I was actually talking about the Indy loving marks being the snobs.Probably. You're really coming off as some elitist douchecanoe with how you're attached to Vince's knob.RBM said:Bottom line is, for myself and a #### load of "casual" (WWE) wrestling fans, Styles will be a name we've heard, but a guy who could never make it in the big leagues.Are we going to need to add wrestling to that snob thread?Brady Marino said:Just because you are ignorant on anything outside of WWE doesn't mean Styles is missing out on some magical fortune by refusing to work 300 days a year and work 4 minute matches with Bo Dallas. Instead, he is the champion of Japan and is the top dog in the Bullet Club, which is rapidly becoming a big brand in America and even globally. NJPW pays their top talent extremely well and, while he may be leaving a little bit of money on the table by not working for Vince, he also works about half the dates and has a ton more freedom.I get why guys like Owens (family) and Joe (challenge) sign with WWE...just like I get why Styles doesn't.RBM said:Actually there isn't. Nobody except hardcore fans give a crap about New Japan, ROH, or any Indy bull####. If Styles wants to be a star, he needs Vince. Seth Rollins was on the Today show and John Stewart for ####s sake.Brady Marino said:Oh come the #### on. He's got plenty of exposure in New Japan being their title holder and he owes WWE nothing, especially when they low-balled him after he left TNA. There's a much bigger world out there than just what bat#### Vince provides.Personal pride? Ego? I'd think if he's so great he would want to prove it on, let's be honest, the only stage that matters mainstream wise.WWE interested in NJPW champion AJ Styles?
He's been champion just about everywhere. What could McMahon offer him besides lots of cash? Is 300+ days per year on the road worth it? I would imagine his run with the Bullet Club in NJPW would be better for him - fewer cards, less travel, etc.
But, who knows?
RBM
Footballguy
WWE is like the pop music of wrestling. Mainstream, most popular. It's "cool" to hate on that.So the people who enjoy a wide array of wrestling in various formats on a global scale are the snobs instead of the guy who is praising nothing but a single product?I was actually talking about the Indy loving marks being the snobs.Probably. You're really coming off as some elitist douchecanoe with how you're attached to Vince's knob.RBM said:Bottom line is, for myself and a #### load of "casual" (WWE) wrestling fans, Styles will be a name we've heard, but a guy who could never make it in the big leagues.Are we going to need to add wrestling to that snob thread?Brady Marino said:Just because you are ignorant on anything outside of WWE doesn't mean Styles is missing out on some magical fortune by refusing to work 300 days a year and work 4 minute matches with Bo Dallas. Instead, he is the champion of Japan and is the top dog in the Bullet Club, which is rapidly becoming a big brand in America and even globally. NJPW pays their top talent extremely well and, while he may be leaving a little bit of money on the table by not working for Vince, he also works about half the dates and has a ton more freedom.I get why guys like Owens (family) and Joe (challenge) sign with WWE...just like I get why Styles doesn't.RBM said:Actually there isn't. Nobody except hardcore fans give a crap about New Japan, ROH, or any Indy bull####. If Styles wants to be a star, he needs Vince. Seth Rollins was on the Today show and John Stewart for ####s sake.Brady Marino said:Oh come the #### on. He's got plenty of exposure in New Japan being their title holder and he owes WWE nothing, especially when they low-balled him after he left TNA. There's a much bigger world out there than just what bat#### Vince provides.Personal pride? Ego? I'd think if he's so great he would want to prove it on, let's be honest, the only stage that matters mainstream wise.WWE interested in NJPW champion AJ Styles?
He's been champion just about everywhere. What could McMahon offer him besides lots of cash? Is 300+ days per year on the road worth it? I would imagine his run with the Bullet Club in NJPW would be better for him - fewer cards, less travel, etc.
But, who knows?
So you're comparing your taste in wrestling to that of a 12 year old girl?WWE is like the pop music of wrestling. Mainstream, most popular. It's "cool" to hate on that.So the people who enjoy a wide array of wrestling in various formats on a global scale are the snobs instead of the guy who is praising nothing but a single product?I was actually talking about the Indy loving marks being the snobs.Probably. You're really coming off as some elitist douchecanoe with how you're attached to Vince's knob.RBM said:Bottom line is, for myself and a #### load of "casual" (WWE) wrestling fans, Styles will be a name we've heard, but a guy who could never make it in the big leagues.Are we going to need to add wrestling to that snob thread?Brady Marino said:Just because you are ignorant on anything outside of WWE doesn't mean Styles is missing out on some magical fortune by refusing to work 300 days a year and work 4 minute matches with Bo Dallas. Instead, he is the champion of Japan and is the top dog in the Bullet Club, which is rapidly becoming a big brand in America and even globally. NJPW pays their top talent extremely well and, while he may be leaving a little bit of money on the table by not working for Vince, he also works about half the dates and has a ton more freedom.I get why guys like Owens (family) and Joe (challenge) sign with WWE...just like I get why Styles doesn't.RBM said:Actually there isn't. Nobody except hardcore fans give a crap about New Japan, ROH, or any Indy bull####. If Styles wants to be a star, he needs Vince. Seth Rollins was on the Today show and John Stewart for ####s sake.Brady Marino said:Oh come the #### on. He's got plenty of exposure in New Japan being their title holder and he owes WWE nothing, especially when they low-balled him after he left TNA. There's a much bigger world out there than just what bat#### Vince provides.Personal pride? Ego? I'd think if he's so great he would want to prove it on, let's be honest, the only stage that matters mainstream wise.WWE interested in NJPW champion AJ Styles?
He's been champion just about everywhere. What could McMahon offer him besides lots of cash? Is 300+ days per year on the road worth it? I would imagine his run with the Bullet Club in NJPW would be better for him - fewer cards, less travel, etc.
But, who knows?
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
English version is on El Rey Network (if you get that channel). My guess you watched it on UniMas.Yes it is very good. Backstage segments are great.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I don't get El Rey.
modogg
Footballguy
i don't get El Rey for some reason. pretty funny considering how much i pay DirecTV.
Yes it is very good. Backstage segments are great.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Yeah that's bad considering how many other channels no one watches are included with those tv packages
It's one of channels on Sling tv ($20).
It's one of channels on Sling tv ($20).
MindCrime
Footballguy
Ch 341i don't get El Rey for some reason. pretty funny considering how much i pay DirecTV.
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modogg
Footballguy
i can't figure out why, but it is blocked out for me.Ch 341i don't get El Rey for some reason. pretty funny considering how much i pay DirecTV.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
No idea why it's the case but looks like el rey is only available with ultimate & premier packages for dtv (for my area anyway). May be why blocked. Good enough reason to call & get ur bill reduced lol
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Jeremy
Footballguy
I looked for it on my provider. I only have it on a spanish speaking channel. Wrestling looks good, but without understanding what's going on I gave up after a couple shows.Craig_MiamiFL said:modogg said:
Yes it is very good. Backstage segments are great.
It has potential. I'm guessing it'll be a Cena wins the battle, but loses the war kind of thing.RBM said:
The WWE has reeeally been playing up the "brotherhood" of Reigns and Ambrose, so you gotta figure they have something in mind with those 2 either tonight or down the road.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
The episodes are on YouTube as well.I looked for it on my provider. I only have it on a spanish speaking channel. Wrestling looks good, but without understanding what's going on I gave up after a couple shows.Craig_MiamiFL said:modogg said:
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
I thought giving him the US title was dumb at first but I kinda like the way they're using Cena to get some of the younger guys overGottabesweet said:
Thunderlips
Footballguy
SlaX
Footballguy
I'm not the biggest Cena fan, but he has put on some great matches since he got the US belt
What do you mean? It was non-title match
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Best match I've seen in a long time... so glad they didn't go the typical WWE booking route on that one
Thunderlips
Footballguy
The title wasn't on the line for that match?
I guess the only thing with that is where does he go? He beat Cena out of the gate...so he doesn't have a need to beat him again. Unless there's a character modification on Cena' part......I don't see how you can sell a feud between them.
Maybe they run Owens as a complete anti-establishment figure and have him go after HHH next?
Jeremy
Footballguy
The title wasn't on the line for that match?
Jeremy
Footballguy
I guess the only thing with that is where does he go? He beat Cena out of the gate...so he doesn't have a need to beat him again. Unless there's a character modification on Cena' part......I don't see how you can sell a feud between them.
Maybe they run Owens as a complete anti-establishment figure and have him go after HHH next?
But I agree. They're starting him right at the top. And people thought Reigns was pushed too quickly.
Owens doesn't want it. Feels it's beneath him and much less than the belt he already holds.
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
I guess the only thing with that is where does he go? He beat Cena out of the gate...so he doesn't have a need to beat him again. Unless there's a character modification on Cena' part......I don't see how you can sell a feud between them.
Maybe they run Owens as a complete anti-establishment figure and have him go after HHH next?
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Im guessing theyll probably just have him throw his weight around a little bit, run his mouth and pick fights... probably won't push him in to any title matches until he gets established more. Kind of like what Rusev did except on a bigger scale.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
That's pretty anti-climatic....Mark Henry.....
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Oh sweet Mark Henry!! #ThingsNobodySays
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
That feels stale though. Beating Cena clean and then beating the hell out of Ziggler/Neville or any other Face is counter-productive. IMO, he's going to go after HHH next and they'll set Owens up as the anti-establishment guy. HHH will want to congratulate him on RAW tomorrow....Owens will tell him to go to hell (maybe make up some story about HHH burying him on the independent level or never giving him a chance to shine), HHH will feel the need to defend the honor of the company at the next PPV and then Owens will beat him.
Im sure they have a plan for him, we'll see if its a good one.
