Matt Waldman 28 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) My link The first in a series of posts examining Gordon's game, his potential on the field, and the skills that make or break receiver prospects. Joe - Edit Title Edited November 5, 2018 by Joe Bryant 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jail 57 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Josh Gordon’s current skill and style of play reminds me of a mix between a raw Terrell Owens and Demaryius Thomas. However, his potential could be as limitless as Calvin Johnson.Wow, that is some high praise. In terms of WR drafted this year, do you like him in the top 5? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig_MiamiFL 2,542 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) I think he placed him in top5-6 of WR's drafted this year^ Edited July 6, 2012 by Craig_MiamiFL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
msommer 8,981 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Good read. Wonder how easy it is to teach against instinct though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eminence 1,294 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Good read. Wonder how easy it is to teach against instinct though? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacobo_moses 21 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I was really intrigued by this comment of Waldman that Sig Tweeted. "Gordon has more physical upside and flashes more technical skill than Demaryius Thomas at the same point of their careers." - @mattwaldman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Waldman 28 Posted July 6, 2012 Author Share Posted July 6, 2012 Gordon's talent is top 5-6 in this class of receivers and top 8-10 overall. His off-field issues hurt his ranking. If you can wait for his Pro Day next week and the Supplemental Draft on July 11 then you can adjust accordingly. Things to look for with Gordon on Pro Day:[*]Does he at least run a 4.45-40[*]Is he between 220-230 pounds and in shape[*]Are you hearing the usual "PR" schtick about him that's positive.[*]Any specific, positive information about his actions since his arrests and not playing football.If all these things check out, I'd make him a high second-round pick in fantasy drafts. If they don't, he'd be a fourth round pick or later. If you have the 2012 RSP and 2012 RSP Post Draft, Gordon will fall between the 12th and 25th ranked players in my post-draft rankings, depending on his Pro Day and the team that selects him. The only way I bump him higher than 12th is if he runs a 4.3 or lower, is in great shape, and we hear something extraordinary about him. The only way I drop him lower than 25th is if he's vastly out of shape, acts like a fool with teams during interviews, or something worse than pot smoking and running up a credit card comes out. I'll be writing more about him in before and after a vacation. (next 10-15 days) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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SeanTaylor21 61 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I wanted to be open minded about a WR who makes bad decisions off of the field and hasn't played a snap in over a year but after hearing what Bloom said about him, I'm in buy mode. He's available in a 45 man PPR dynasty in which we use blind bids to acquire FAs from now up until the season starts. I threw a $2 claim on him as a "WHAT THE HELL!?" If he does still run a 4.4 with his size, somebody will give him a shot with a 3rd/4th supplemental pick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
domvin 111 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I just drafted him in the early 4th round of a 12 teamer. I'll pass on the Ganaways, Brazils, etc.....for a shot at this kid. His acceleration is off the charts from the video I saw of him in Waldmans feed. If he doesn't pan out, it's low cost. Will be interseting to see how high he gets drafted, or, what round/bids teams place on him. Love to see if the Redskins get some heavy influence to take him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bracie Smathers 3,683 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Schefter tweets on Gordon.He says he's a "rare talent" and names at 'least' seven teams who could be interested and also speculates that Josh could fetch as high as a 2nd round draft pick.Schefter Tweets on GordonAdam Schefter@AdamSchefter Josh Gordon is bigger, faster, stronger than former Baylor teammate Kendall Wright. As far as supplemental drafts go, he is a rare talent.Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter Receiver needy teams that figure to be interested in Josh Gordon: Browns, Dolphins, Panthers, Colts, Eagles, Cowboys, Redskins and more.Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter The 6-foot-3, 225-pound Josh Gordon is expected to be timed in the 40-yard dash in the 4.4s or better. He could go as high as 2nd round.Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter Former Baylor WR Josh Gordon, who declared for Thursday's supplemental draft, is scheduled to hold his Pro Day on Tues. at Texans facility.I don't know if he rates a second round draft pick and with his sketchy background I would doubt he'd grade out as a third round pick but the sheer number of teams reportedly in the mix and with one of those teams the Washington Redskins who just paid three first round picks and a high second round pick to move up a few spots in the draft we know those idiots will probably throw their second round pick for a lottery ticket so its quite possible that he will wind up as a second round supplimental pick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cstu 6,086 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) The hype on this guy is a bit ridiculous, part of which I think is due to draft hangover. He certainly has potential as a developmental player, but there's the character concern and more importantly his ability to run routes. He would have been a 3rd/4th round pick in this year's draft it doesn't make sense to spend more than 3rd when that pick will net a good player next year. Edited July 9, 2012 by cstu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabertooth 5,923 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I was able to scoop him off waivers in a dynasty. I feel fortunate to have beating resko99 to the punch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
todisco1 0 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 The hype on this guy is a bit ridiculous, part of which I think is due to draft hangover. He certainly has potential as a developmental player, but there's the character concern and more importantly his ability to run routes. He would have been a 3rd/4th round pick in this year's draft it doesn't make sense to spend more than 3rd when that pick will net a good player next year.How do you know the 3rd will net a good player next year? There's a pretty high bust rate for 3rd rounders. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 in misfits and outlaws dyno rookie drafts this weekend he was going as high as 2.08 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cstu 6,086 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 The hype on this guy is a bit ridiculous, part of which I think is due to draft hangover. He certainly has potential as a developmental player, but there's the character concern and more importantly his ability to run routes. He would have been a 3rd/4th round pick in this year's draft it doesn't make sense to spend more than 3rd when that pick will net a good player next year.How do you know the 3rd will net a good player next year? There's a pretty high bust rate for 3rd rounders.There's a high probability anyone will be a bust, including Gordon. The team that takes him now is making a big risk without knowing who will be available next year. I view him as a project who won't make much of an impact right away so I'd rather keep the 3rd and see if there's a better player for the team in the 2013 draft. Unless he could be had for a 4th I don't think he's worth it. Since it's a win-now league though I expect someone to use a 3rd on him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabertooth 5,923 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Sounds like a more natural Stephen Hill to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
todisco1 0 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 The hype on this guy is a bit ridiculous, part of which I think is due to draft hangover. He certainly has potential as a developmental player, but there's the character concern and more importantly his ability to run routes. He would have been a 3rd/4th round pick in this year's draft it doesn't make sense to spend more than 3rd when that pick will net a good player next year.How do you know the 3rd will net a good player next year? There's a pretty high bust rate for 3rd rounders.There's a high probability anyone will be a bust, including Gordon. The team that takes him now is making a big risk without knowing who will be available next year. I view him as a project who won't make much of an impact right away so I'd rather keep the 3rd and see if there's a better player for the team in the 2013 draft. Unless he could be had for a 4th I don't think he's worth it. Since it's a win-now league though I expect someone to use a 3rd on him.Gotcha. I guess I can understand this, though if you like this guy's game I think a 3rd is fine - there's risk either way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoot&HoLLer 0 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Seems worth a dynasty flier as a free agent for those leagues that already held 2012 rookie drafts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bamac 92 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I wanted to be open minded about a WR who makes bad decisions off of the field and hasn't played a snap in over a year but after hearing what Bloom said about him, I'm in buy mode. He's available in a 45 man PPR dynasty in which we use blind bids to acquire FAs from now up until the season starts. I threw a $2 claim on him as a "WHAT THE HELL!?"If he does still run a 4.4 with his size, somebody will give him a shot with a 3rd/4th supplemental pick.I suspect you'll be outbid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pghrob 137 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I'm in. Just going on Waldman's write-up, why not take a chance at such a low cost? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bonesman 39 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I'm in. Just going on Waldman's write-up, why not take a chance at such a low cost?cost isn't so low in my league. Already bid up to 900k or so (for example Garcon went for 2mil and Santonio 3mil this offseason... and Boldin 800k) out of a 45mil salary cap. That's pretty high under the circumstances. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pghrob 137 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I'm in. Just going on Waldman's write-up, why not take a chance at such a low cost?cost isn't so low in my league. Already bid up to 900k or so (for example Garcon went for 2mil and Santonio 3mil this offseason... and Boldin 800k) out of a 45mil salary cap. That's pretty high under the circumstances.Good point. Depending on league rules, he might not be right for everybody. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabertooth 5,923 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 He cost me Bilal Powell. I'm ok with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Donsmith753 49 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Gave a 13 2nd for him and Stephens howling. 16 team league and pick is 26-32 overall. Should actually add I traded for the 4.01 in a split draft which doesn't resume until preseason. Don't need to take him if someone better comes along. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ImTheScientist 342 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 So when will someone start a hypetrain thread claiming to discover this guy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loose circuits 47 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Got him for 26.00 out of a $200 budget. Was surprised he was that cheap Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabertooth 5,923 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 So when will someone start a hypetrain thread claiming to discover this guy?I think you are in the thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoot&HoLLer 0 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Anybody know what time is proday workout starts today down in Houston? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigboy10182000 3,880 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I wouldn't touch him at all. If he cared about football he wouldn't have had so many issues. Over the past 3 years he showed he could give a #### about football. He wants some $$ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whatadai 0 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I wouldn't touch him at all. If he cared about football he wouldn't have had so many issues. Over the past 3 years he showed he could give a #### about football. He wants some $$1. He has been out of football for less than 2 years, about 19 months. Where the hell did you get three years from? Some horrible rounding going on here.2. Do you even know why he's been out of football?He was caught with marijuana, which isn't uncommon, and it's not a huge personality deterrent for many. Baylor suspended him and he transferred to Utah. If you know NCAA transfer rules, transfers have to sit out a year before they can play. That is why he didn't play in 2011. So he was suspended for a small infraction and the NCAA prevented him from playing football for ONE season.3. He wants money so he declared for the supplemental draft. What's new? I'm sure 100% of players in the NFL don't play for fun only. He also transferred, he could have easily been on a scholarship and lost it when he was suspended and transferred. Neither of us know his financial situation, so if he believes he needs money, then why is it a bad thing for him to look for employment in the NFL? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SeanTaylor21 61 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I wanted to be open minded about a WR who makes bad decisions off of the field and hasn't played a snap in over a year but after hearing what Bloom said about him, I'm in buy mode. He's available in a 45 man PPR dynasty in which we use blind bids to acquire FAs from now up until the season starts. I threw a $2 claim on him as a "WHAT THE HELL!?"If he does still run a 4.4 with his size, somebody will give him a shot with a 3rd/4th supplemental pick.I suspect you'll be outbid.Yea, I actually added a substantially larger bid and got him. Now I'm just hoping he has a great Pro Day today and ready to see where he lands Thursday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gandalas 12 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 One of my league-mates spent over half their Blind-bidding dollars for the year on this guy. Hype is getting insane! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whatadai 0 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I wanted to be open minded about a WR who makes bad decisions off of the field and hasn't played a snap in over a year but after hearing what Bloom said about him, I'm in buy mode. He's available in a 45 man PPR dynasty in which we use blind bids to acquire FAs from now up until the season starts. I threw a $2 claim on him as a "WHAT THE HELL!?"If he does still run a 4.4 with his size, somebody will give him a shot with a 3rd/4th supplemental pick.I suspect you'll be outbid.Yea, I actually added a substantially larger bid and got him. Now I'm just hoping he has a great Pro Day today and ready to see where he lands Thursday.I heard he just tore his ACL and MCL at his pro day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I wanted to be open minded about a WR who makes bad decisions off of the field and hasn't played a snap in over a year but after hearing what Bloom said about him, I'm in buy mode. He's available in a 45 man PPR dynasty in which we use blind bids to acquire FAs from now up until the season starts. I threw a $2 claim on him as a "WHAT THE HELL!?"If he does still run a 4.4 with his size, somebody will give him a shot with a 3rd/4th supplemental pick.I suspect you'll be outbid.Yea, I actually added a substantially larger bid and got him. Now I'm just hoping he has a great Pro Day today and ready to see where he lands Thursday.I heard he just tore his ACL and MCL at his pro day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gandalas 12 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I wanted to be open minded about a WR who makes bad decisions off of the field and hasn't played a snap in over a year but after hearing what Bloom said about him, I'm in buy mode. He's available in a 45 man PPR dynasty in which we use blind bids to acquire FAs from now up until the season starts. I threw a $2 claim on him as a "WHAT THE HELL!?"If he does still run a 4.4 with his size, somebody will give him a shot with a 3rd/4th supplemental pick.I suspect you'll be outbid.Yea, I actually added a substantially larger bid and got him. Now I'm just hoping he has a great Pro Day today and ready to see where he lands Thursday.I heard he just tore his ACL and MCL at his pro day. Link? Or are you joking? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigboy10182000 3,880 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I wouldn't touch him at all. If he cared about football he wouldn't have had so many issues. Over the past 3 years he showed he could give a #### about football. He wants some $$1. He has been out of football for less than 2 years, about 19 months. Where the hell did you get three years from? Some horrible rounding going on here.2. Do you even know why he's been out of football?He was caught with marijuana, which isn't uncommon, and it's not a huge personality deterrent for many. Baylor suspended him and he transferred to Utah. If you know NCAA transfer rules, transfers have to sit out a year before they can play. That is why he didn't play in 2011. So he was suspended for a small infraction and the NCAA prevented him from playing football for ONE season.3. He wants money so he declared for the supplemental draft. What's new? I'm sure 100% of players in the NFL don't play for fun only. He also transferred, he could have easily been on a scholarship and lost it when he was suspended and transferred. Neither of us know his financial situation, so if he believes he needs money, then why is it a bad thing for him to look for employment in the NFL?I thought his issues started in 2010...2010 (1), 2011 (2) & 2012 (3)...wasn't trying to be month specific.Yes I know whyI'm not saying it's bad but why transfer and sit out the year only to enter the draft now? Something doesnt add up. Either he got into something or he's just not bright...pick a side of the sword.And does any of this matter? This time next year he'll probably be on another team anyway... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FavreCo 6 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I wanted to be open minded about a WR who makes bad decisions off of the field and hasn't played a snap in over a year but after hearing what Bloom said about him, I'm in buy mode. He's available in a 45 man PPR dynasty in which we use blind bids to acquire FAs from now up until the season starts. I threw a $2 claim on him as a "WHAT THE HELL!?"If he does still run a 4.4 with his size, somebody will give him a shot with a 3rd/4th supplemental pick.I suspect you'll be outbid.Yea, I actually added a substantially larger bid and got him. Now I'm just hoping he has a great Pro Day today and ready to see where he lands Thursday.I heard he just tore his ACL and MCL at his pro day. Yeah, then he ran a 4.10 40 on his torn up leg. Put up a 52" vertical. Did the 3-cone in 4.7 seconds and scored a 50 on the wonderlic. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasmaDogPlasma 7,345 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I wanted to be open minded about a WR who makes bad decisions off of the field and hasn't played a snap in over a year but after hearing what Bloom said about him, I'm in buy mode. He's available in a 45 man PPR dynasty in which we use blind bids to acquire FAs from now up until the season starts. I threw a $2 claim on him as a "WHAT THE HELL!?"If he does still run a 4.4 with his size, somebody will give him a shot with a 3rd/4th supplemental pick.I suspect you'll be outbid.Yea, I actually added a substantially larger bid and got him. Now I'm just hoping he has a great Pro Day today and ready to see where he lands Thursday.I heard he just tore his ACL and MCL at his pro day. This is not cool to do in here at all. Gordon's workout is at about 2pm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,260 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Anybody know what time is proday workout starts today down in Houston?@Matthewcelder RT @BillsDraft: Josh Gordon to workout around 2pm todayExpect Twitter to blow up shortly after 2pm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tackling Dummies 504 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Anybody know what time is proday workout starts today down in Houston?@Matthewcelder RT @BillsDraft: Josh Gordon to workout around 2pm todayExpect Twitter to blow up shortly after 2pmGame film>>>>>>workout/combine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whatadai 0 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) Baylor WR Josh Gordon measured in at 6-foot-3, 224 pounds in his Tuesday Pro Day, and was unofficially timed at 4.52 seconds in the 40-yard dash. Edited July 10, 2012 by whatadai Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamer 44 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 4.52 40, story is up on profootballtalk. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasmaDogPlasma 7,345 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 LOL, so much for 2pm and a sub-4.4 40. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbouchard 34 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Baylor WR Josh Gordon measured in at 6-foot-3, 224 pounds in his Tuesday Pro Day, and was unofficially timed at 4.52 seconds in the 40-yard dash.only 4.5 hand timed? yikes. slow the hype train a bit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasmaDogPlasma 7,345 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabertooth 5,923 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 So it has begun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whatadai 0 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 link13 reps? For a big 4.6 guy I expected him to be stronger. Maybe he's let himself go a bit being out of football? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabertooth 5,923 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 4.52 is solid for a guy who probably didn't have the speed coaching and pre workout routine that other prospects may have had. 10'1" is a pretty good broad jump. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabertooth 5,923 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) What is up with the rounding of numbers in here? 4.52 is hardly 4.6. Why not just say 5.0? At least that is mathematically defensible. Edited July 10, 2012 by Sabertooth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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