Concept Coop
Footballguy
The Panthers got fewer goal line opportunities, and played form behind less. I didn't follow the Lions season as closely, so I won't comment on that.
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Buy low, sell high, buy high, sell low (1 Viewer)
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Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
While I still think Brady is going to finish top 3, I can see an argument for him falling out of that tier. If the defense is good and their running game turns out to be a strong one I could see them curtailing the attempts. Don't think it will happen but it's not the craziest argument I've heard.
cheese
Footballguy
I've been a "buy high" proponent on here for years and I plan to stick with it this year as well. Put simply, circumstances change very rapidly and so does the value of each player. Owners tend to be in a hurry to "sell high" and will normally sell for anything above the original ADP of the player, regardless of the updated situation/information. The common complaint is that owners overreact, but this is a message board. In terms of how owners actually react and value/trade their own players, they don't react nearly enough as things change.Guys like Wayne who are drafted and valued at WR30 prove right off the bat they're headed for more like WR15 and the owner is up for trading "up" for anything better than WR30. Pay WR22 value for a guy drafted WR30 and get WR15 results. It gets even more extreme in a case like Spiller. IF Jackson ends up out for the year or something, Spiller is a borderline RB1 IMO. I bet his owner will sell him for much less. It's still found value for his drafter who thinks he's getting a great deal getting RB2 or RB3 trade value out of a late round pick.Others where I'm buying high:MJD/ADP.... still being thought of at their 3rd rd draft spot, but would go MUCH sooner if redrafted today.JulioGarconRG3 Broncos passing game
Wally Cleaver
Footballguy
Unless I missed it I am very surprised I havent seen Brandon Lloyd's name posted here. He was wide open on a bomb and Brady just over threw him, he catches that he is looking at a 130 and 1 day with with bonus for long tds in leagues that have those. This may be one of the last week's you can get him at a reasonable price as he is going to have a big year. Not buying that there are too many mouths to feed as Brady had a very pedestrian day due to the score and Ridley gashing the titans on the ground and Lloyd still had lots of looks and just missed having a huge day.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Not quite sure how his value could have changed. He had 8 targets and caught 5 of them for 69 yards. If you liked him before you should like him now. If you hated him before you should hate him now. I like him and drafted him I simply have no idea how his value (or even perceived value) could have changed.
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
Will try to buy low on W Welker for my sell high K Smith.
Crazysight
Footballguy
BUY JAKE LOCKER LOW! He will sizzle by the second half, if not sooner.
Banger
Footballguy
agreed....I didn't draft a 2nd QB in a couple leagues and I'm trying to add him as a throw in.
AngryGorilla
Footballguy
Johnathan Stewart. The OC said they missed him, it sure looked they missed him ... could be had cheaply as that RB3/flex type
zamboni
Footballguy
Not crazy at all. Before Brady starting setting records a handful of years ago - during the Dillon and Antowain Smith days - he was a mediocre fantasy QB when they had a consistent running game and a solid defense. Great real life NFL QB, but not a top tier fantasy QB.In today's pass-happy NFL, I doubt they will all of a sudden ride the running game, but I could certainly see a drop off in the bombs-away mentality.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
sell RB Greene?
Banger
Footballguy
as quick as you can.
Where does BenJarvus Green-Ellis fall here? He seems like the most controversial mover of the week. Either BJGE is a plodder who was deservedly dumped by the Pats, or a guy with spring in his step destined for greatness after getting 5.1 YPC vs the Ravens with an offense where even Benson was productive.
Plus, Bernard Scott is coming back.
Which is true? Argh. I have an offer of DJax (my WR4!) for BJGE in a PPR league (I get BJGE) and I'm really torn.
Plus, Bernard Scott is coming back.
Which is true? Argh. I have an offer of DJax (my WR4!) for BJGE in a PPR league (I get BJGE) and I'm really torn.
3nOut
Footballguy
Depending on the situation, I think a good buy low option is Greg Jennings. With him nursing a groin injury and with all the James Jones and Randall Cobb talk, I think you might be able to get him fairly cheaply. You may have to sit him a week or two but he may pay dividends later.
Stafford and newton had a bye in week 9, why in the world are you comparing total points when ryan had an extra game during that span.
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Was offered Lloyd for Smith from a 'desperate' owner
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Is that PPR or non-PPR? Makes a huge difference. Still not sure how to value BJGE compared to a week ago.
Seasick Sailor
Footballguy
Thinking I may try to " sell high" and get some value from Roddy White while some people still think there's a question as to who the WR1 in ATL is. Sure does seem like Julio is the man now.
Overreaction? If Bailey covers Julio next week, Roddy could put up big numbers, but too many more games where Julio get 100+/2 to White's 84/0, and his value is going to drop drastically.
Overreaction? If Bailey covers Julio next week, Roddy could put up big numbers, but too many more games where Julio get 100+/2 to White's 84/0, and his value is going to drop drastically.
shadyridr
Footballguy
cuz it makes his argument better
DevilintheDetail
Footballguy
Trying to decide on the same thing...
TheFootballJesus
Footballguy
I'll throw out a name: Willis McGahee. Manning didn't look as good as the Manning of old to me, but he's going to keep defenses from stacking the line of scrimmage. Was concerned during training camp/preseason that ronnie hillman would steal a chunk of carries but it looks he's in Fox's doghouse. Not all that worried about Moreno/Ball stealing much work from him.
I think it's likely that Mcgahee ends the year as a high end RB2 and I think you might be able to get him at borderline RB2/3 prices.
I'm also an S-jax owner considering selling high. Loss of Roger Saffold just makes an already beleaguered offensive line even worse.
I think it's likely that Mcgahee ends the year as a high end RB2 and I think you might be able to get him at borderline RB2/3 prices.
I'm also an S-jax owner considering selling high. Loss of Roger Saffold just makes an already beleaguered offensive line even worse.
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yup. i thought he looked fantastic sunday night, against the best run d in the league over the past decade. throw in the fact that peyton almost always has a productive fantasy rb behind him, and that he was great last year, and i see a top 12 rb at minimum.
The Jerk
Footballguy
Completely false, both of you, and I'm surprised as I expect much more out of two veteran and usually more careful posters.My wording is precise and does not say week. It says game.Initially I didn't want to post any fbg content here, but really, all I'm adding that can't be found elsewhere is the final rightmost column, and that's just a conventional scoring system.So here are the 9th-15th games of 2011 for each QB. And yes, that's Week 10 thru Week 16, which I thought wouldn't be too difficult to comprehend, but clearly I was wrong.'shadyridr said:
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week Stafford comp att yds tds ints rushes yds tds fbg pts10 DET CHI 33 63 329 1 4 2 1 0 13.511 DET CAR 28 36 335 5 2 4 2 0 3812 DET GB 32 45 276 1 3 4 31 0 15.913 DET NO 31 44 408 1 1 0 0 0 23.414 DET MIN 20 29 227 2 0 2 4 0 21.815 DET OAK 29 52 391 4 0 1 5 0 4016 DET SD 29 36 373 3 0 2 5 0 34.1 186.7week Newton comp att yds tds ints rushes yds tds fbg pts10 CAR TEN 23 40 212 0 1 7 55 0 14.111 CAR DET 22 38 280 1 4 7 37 2 26.712 CAR IND 20 27 208 0 0 9 53 1 21.713 CAR TB 12 21 204 1 0 14 54 3 41.314 CAR ATL 19 39 276 2 2 7 36 0 23.415 CAR HOU 13 23 149 2 0 7 55 0 22.916 CAR TB 12 17 171 3 0 6 65 1 36 186.1 week Ryan comp att yds tds ints rushes yds tds fbg pts10 ATL NO 29 52 351 2 1 1 9 0 26.411 ATL TEN 22 32 316 1 0 6 3 0 21.112 ATL MIN 27 34 262 3 0 4 3 0 28.413 ATL HOU 20 47 267 1 2 1 10 0 15.314 ATL CAR 22 38 320 4 0 3 0 0 3615 ATL JAX 19 26 224 3 0 0 0 0 26.216 ATL NO 34 52 373 1 0 2 -3 0 23.3 176.7
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tarheel4ever
Footballguy
Even with a separated shoulder? I know it's the non-throwing arm, but he went down and stayed down. One good pop next weekend and he doesn't finish a game. It's not like it heals in a couple days.Now dynasty I can see a different train of thought.'Banger said:
Banger
Footballguy
I think I would be a buyer. I liked what I saw, he ran hard, picked up some key first downs to keep the chains moving and Marvin likes to run. He did nothing at all to make marvin want to lean on scott. I've always liked Scott but I really don't see him getting a shot. For whatever reason Marvin really doesn't want to give him the shot.'chem said:
shadyridr
Footballguy
I was just being a smartass. I didnt actually verify his comments. My reply was just a joke.
The Jerk
Footballguy
Sorry. I didn't mean to jump on anyone, and I know I'm being defensive, so I apologize. What gets me frustrated is that we recently had hundreds of posts in a thread lamenting the state of the Shark Pool, but when someone puts in the effort to actually do a little research into a relevant current topic (in this case, showing that the difference between Stafford and Newton and Ryan was actually very small in the second half of last season), hoping to actually inform others of something that probably not a lot of people realized, another poster takes 30 seconds to throw out a quick insult rather than spending an extra minute or two to double-check the data.Note that I say "insult" because rather than accuse a long-term poster of making such an obvious error in analysis, I would show them the respect of looking at the data briefly to see if my snap judgment was correct. And if that was done in this case, it would have been relatively easy to see that my numbers were not vastly incorrect by virtue of mistakenly omitting a bye week differential in the analysis.Anyway, carry on.
I took your 9-15 week statement literally, I didn't double check it because you are usually always on top of your game. It seems you were still on top of your game but worded it in a way that confused me. My fault.
The Jerk
Footballguy
Very generous of you. Thanks.I deserve blame here too because I left room for confusion by choosing to write games 9-15 instead of weeks 10-16 in the post. Ironically, that happened because when I began looking at the stats, I suspected one of the QBs may have had a late (Week 10 or 11) bye week, in which case stating Weeks 10-16 would create the exact problem you were postulating about. I should have changed the "games" to "weeks" once I realized that bye weeks weren't an issue. So for that, my bad. I also could have emphasized the per game statistic rather than the cumulative points statistic. Whatever; it's all good.Now back to our regularly scheduled thread...
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ctrlaltdefeat
Footballguy
It's either this week or next as your last chance to get Matthews. If he's not playing make the offer while the owner is in need of someone to start.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Didnt the owner of Mathews draft him KNOWING hed be out a few weeks? And theyd trade him just as hes about to come back?ctrlaltdefeat
Footballguy
Not if they took an L week 1 and are in need of someone to start. Point is his value is lowest now
shadyridr
Footballguy
hes a week closer to coming back. His value is going UP not downNot if they took an L week 1 and are in need of someone to start. Point is his value is lowest now
ctrlaltdefeat
Footballguy
If his value is going up that means it's low now. Wowhes a week closer to coming back. His value is going UP not downNot if they took an L week 1 and are in need of someone to start. Point is his value is lowest now
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Buy low on Bowe.
shadyridr
Footballguy
it was lower last weekIf his value is going up that means it's low now. Wowhes a week closer to coming back. His value is going UP not downNot if they took an L week 1 and are in need of someone to start. Point is his value is lowest now
THE FANTASY KING
Footballguy
You take Lloyd and giggle merrily.Regards,THE FANTASY KING'DevilintheDetail said:
THE FANTASY KING
Footballguy
Hello Poster,I agree with the sentimental, but Brady did not overthrow him. Lloyd misread the ball and slowed his pace and turned around to catch it when he should have just continud running. Had he done so, he was wide open, and had an easy touchdown (the Titans bited hard on the playaction).If Mr Lloyd belongs in this thread at all, it is as a BUY LOW as maybe the Mr Lloyd owner in your league did not see the game and is starting to whorry that the "not enough targets" + "ooo Patriots look more balanced/will run more" worries are true. I would try to get Lloyd before the Arizona game if I did not already own him in just about every league (full closure).Regards,THE FANTASY KING
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Re: Spiller
I'm high on Spiller - I think he's a fine talent, and he's going to be my RB2 for awhile.
But it's not insane to sell high in the next couple of weeks if you're weak at WR or QB. I think the Bills are nuts if they just forget about Spiller once Jackson returns. However, Spiller will have immense trade value over the next three weeks. Spiller at this moment is a high RB2 / low RB1 prospect at the moment. That'll change once Jackson returns.
I'm high on Spiller - I think he's a fine talent, and he's going to be my RB2 for awhile.
But it's not insane to sell high in the next couple of weeks if you're weak at WR or QB. I think the Bills are nuts if they just forget about Spiller once Jackson returns. However, Spiller will have immense trade value over the next three weeks. Spiller at this moment is a high RB2 / low RB1 prospect at the moment. That'll change once Jackson returns.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Trying to see how little it costs to get Deangelo right now. No one seems to like him at all, including Dodds.
ctrlaltdefeat
Footballguy
Traded Russell Wilson for dwill
HairySasquatch
Footballguy
What kind of offers are people getting for RG3?
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
No offers made to me yet, but I don't see owners letting go of him right now. You'd need to offer a lot to get him.
rocketsauce
Footballguy
I didn't receive any offers for RG3, but did start pimping him out. I have Rodgers, so was just looking to move RG3. Ended up going with the following in my 12 team PPR:
RG3 & Donald Brown
for
Doug Martin & Brandon Lafell
I could've rode the wave and tried to get more value out of another good performance, or he could crash and burn and leave me holding him with nobody interested. I decided to go for a move now since this just isn't a very QB-starved year in Fantasy. There were only 2 even perspective teams that would need/want RG3 in my 12 teamer. Everyone else got pretty great QB play week 1.
RG3 & Donald Brown
for
Doug Martin & Brandon Lafell
I could've rode the wave and tried to get more value out of another good performance, or he could crash and burn and leave me holding him with nobody interested. I decided to go for a move now since this just isn't a very QB-starved year in Fantasy. There were only 2 even perspective teams that would need/want RG3 in my 12 teamer. Everyone else got pretty great QB play week 1.
rocketsauce
Footballguy
So far this week I've bought low on Hillis, while selling highish on Crabtree:
I send Crabtree for Hillis & Austin Collie
That deal got better when Collie was cleared this morning.
Then I got rid of my trump card in RG3 to improve my RB2 slot:
I send RG3 & Donald Brown for Doug Martin & Brandon Lafell
Now I've got an owner offering me essentially Lynch & Turbin for Martin. Considering it, but Martin feels like bigger upside in my PPR. I don't know, still mulling it over. Also considering taking a shot at Kenny Britt before he returns to the field.
Got an offer of Britt for Hillis & Donald Jones that I'm considering, but would really like to hold Hillis for now.
I send Crabtree for Hillis & Austin Collie
That deal got better when Collie was cleared this morning.
Then I got rid of my trump card in RG3 to improve my RB2 slot:
I send RG3 & Donald Brown for Doug Martin & Brandon Lafell
Now I've got an owner offering me essentially Lynch & Turbin for Martin. Considering it, but Martin feels like bigger upside in my PPR. I don't know, still mulling it over. Also considering taking a shot at Kenny Britt before he returns to the field.
Got an offer of Britt for Hillis & Donald Jones that I'm considering, but would really like to hold Hillis for now.
