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We've all seen him play quarterback and its not working. His ego is too big to change positions though so he'll end up in the trash with Tebow.There have been 100's of success stories of players changing positions. He is not getting it done, just face it. Is he your cousin, why so defensive? Especially if he loses his mobility, he's worthless. And it's a message board, not concerned about fitting in, just speaking my mind.
I would say he was getting it done earlier in the season, with room for improvement. Of course he's worthless if he loses his mobility, but he's injured, what do you want him to do? You're going to penalise him because he's injured?
I'm saying you take away his running ability he's worthless. He can't make his living in the pocket, so that makes it difficult to trust him moving forward, he relies on the dual threat. He is going to continue to get dinged up if he runs...So its a vicious cycle. Peyton and other QBs can sit in the pocket and be productive on 2 stumps...
He has never been a great pocket passer all the way back to college. There have been warnings from all sorts of experts, past players, coaches, he needs alot of development and is maybe beyond help. Good luck to the supporters, I just don't see it with him. I realize the bar has been raised on QB's now, expectations are that they will assimilate quickly, and maybe that is too much to expect. But, what, 1 TD passing and 8 INT in the past 4? Thats pretty bad. Look at guys like Keenum and Foles, coming in lighting it up. Didn't take but a few bad games for Schaub (and ok an injury-which may be overblown) and he was out, that's the culture we live in, quick results. As a fan I would give him this year, but if this play keeps up it would be unacceptable if he can't turn it around. I've heard Raider fans chime in, they're not all happy with him. So in short no I don't give up on every prospect this fast, but if you take his background into account, there is reason to believe he will continue sucking at the NFL version of a QB. Imagine that Al Davis made a bad pick?And with all this said maybe a simple offensive redesign would improve matters. Interested to see what happens...
Well of course there have been more failures, there are only a small percentage of players from college that are successful period. Dude just sucks at passing though, but he has elite physical skills. Tell me Pryor hasn't regressed. Either he switches it up or he's out of the league or riding pine in a couple years. Just bringing up alternatives. I like his speed, agility and work ethic. I think he could be successful with some work. If Raider fans are fine with mediocrity, have at it, keep him in there... Look at all the tight ends that are coming into the league and succeeding with minimal time at the position...It's not out of the question.FYI Julius Peppers played running back in HS, Jim brown played linebacker, Jim Thorpe-every skill position, Hines Ward-QB, RB, Antonio Gates-LB,Joe Thomas-TE, Vernon Davis-WR and Safety, Dante Hall-RB, Jason Peters-TE, Jeff Hostetler- LB, Curtis Conway-QB, Warren Sapp- LB, TE, Jason Taylor-LB, Rod Smith-QB, Ladainian Tomlinson- LB, Lance Briggs-RB, Marvin Harrison- RB, Tony Gonzalez-LB, Otto Graham-DB, Dave Casper- OL, Jim Kelly-Linebacker,Todd Christensen- RB, Julian Edelman-QB,Jim Alstot- LB Ryan Grant-LB,antawn Randle El-QB,Kordell Stewart-WR Josh Cribbs-QB, Mike brown-QB, Tim Wright-WR just this year. There are more than you think. Granted moves along the lines are the most common...
That's pretty good. How many changed positions once they arrived in the NFL? A great athlete can change positions in high school or college. What's Pryor going to transition to, and where will he get enough reps to be good enough to compete with guys who have been playing that position for years?Gvindy said:
Depends, but remember The Raiders GM McKenzie didn't pick Pryor and Raiders coaches have spoken highly of McGloin. If McGloin can protect the ball and even do a semi-good Case Keenum/ Nick Foles impersonation it might be hard for Pryor to get back on the field. I know that is still a big "if" with OAK facing the #1 Pass D today. I would just hate to see Pryors physical skills go to waste if McGloin somehow takes over, Pryor is fun to watch in the open field.. We'll see how the game goes today.
I don't see an "Oof" there. In dynasty leagues he's worth a shot. He's basically learning to pass from scratch in the last two years (he's admitted to this). He hasn't been healthy recently and seems to have another pretty good QB on the team that can help the Raiders now more than he can.lod01 said:
Difficult to determine Pryor's dynasty value at the moment. Before last week he looked to be Oakland's QB of the future, but now...
Pryor is like a bigger faster Vince Young.
Apparently you are.
Not a huge fan of Olson either. But let's add some needed context. He's a journeyman OC, that's had a mixed bag of success/failure and probably the best qualified guy the Raiders could have gotten to cowtow to a young rookie head coach like Dennis Allen. One thing I give credit to Olson is knowing his personnel. The Raiders have a real problem with starter quality at the skill positions and even the depth positions. The one superstar talent the team has/had is DMC and he's going away next year. The rest of this group of starters would be lucky to break the rosters of some of the better teams, let alone starting roles. The team is young, cap strapped, and the cupboard is bare. Thankfully, they get an almost fully stocked draft class and a boatload of cap space next year. To see Terrelle Pryor succeed despite the banged up O-line, despite the unsteady talent at the skill positions was exciting to watch. If he could stay healthy, if he could be better protected, if the skill position players can be upgraded in the draft and/or free agency, I think Olson can be innovative enough to adapt a plan and match it to his personnel. It's not his fault he's working with blanks. If there is an available upgrade on the market that wants to come to the Raiders, I'd be fine with that. But until we got the ammo to be thinking deep playoff run, we probably are fine with a guy like Olson running the show.
Actually all of them currently are horrible. Cousins needs a shot in Washington. There is a case of drafting a QB in the 1st round and maybe the backup is better but they are too stubborn to make the move. It's not like the old days where you paid a guy zillions and you feel the need to try and get your $ worth.
That's summed up well Raiderfan. Regarding DMC--given how well Rashad Jennings has played in his absence how do you see them being used when he returns. I'm pretty unlikely to keep both at that time and having had McFadden on my roster frequently over recent years being able to play Jennings consistently has been a breath of fresh air!
I think DMC is fantasy irrelevant going forward. I still carry him in one league over no better options on the waiver wire. I might have dropped him for a waiver wire defense but no good ones were available. A second kicker maybe?
LOL at your ridiculous sample. How can you just embarrass yourself like that? Let me school you. Would this be the same game RG the TURD had 2 INTs also and Cousins came off the bench trying to lead the Redskins from the HUGE hole RG3 helped dig for the 'skins? Hmm, yes it was.
I honestly think that McKenzie and Allen are not sold on Pryor. McKenzie and Allen have been intrigued by McGloin since he signed with them early in training camp. However, if he and/or McGloin don't show much promise by the end of the season then I think the Raiders starting QB for 2014 is not on the Roster.
You may be right that McKenzie/Allen aren't fully committed on Pryor. But the fact the owner is behind him coupled with him being the last Al Davis draft pick gives Pryor a little more latitude than you may believe. FWIW, one of the major reasons I want Pryor to be the guy starting next year is McKenzie's poor track record drafting prospects. If he gets to choose our next QB savior, I'm going to be wincing behind my couch as they call the pick next April.
I disagree that Mark Davis is fully behind Pryor. FYI, during the pre-season Mark Davis picked McGloin to be the undrafted rookie that would make the biggest impact for the Raiders this year. I think Raider fans who think because Pryor will get more latitue because he was Al Davis's last draft pick is nothing more then just wishful thinking on their part.
I traded a 3rd rd pick for him in one league, and Chris Givens in another. Would happily still do it today. Pryor is still only 24 and while it might take a second organization, there has to be some OCs out there that are drooling to at least have a shot to scheme around his rare tools. All you have to do is listen to the quotes from defenders against him. They hate having to chase him for a whole. The OAK OL has been in shambles all year, and as we've seen, this regime is erring on the side of not believing in Pryor. They might be right, but as a speculative hold in dynasty, Pryor still has plenty of value. If he is a starting QB, he will surely be featured as a runner in a way that will give him low QB1/high QB2 value at worst. If he "gets it" at all as a passer, he could be a lot more than that.
No there really doesn't. The good OCs won't waste time with him. The bad OCs might but since they are already bad at what they do, they won't last long with this guy as their starter. There is no way this guy will be even a 3 year starter of 16 games/year, ever, for any team, let alone a franchise QB. Get him a Carolina/Seattle/SF level D and they could mask his deficiencies temporarily.
