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Fixed, you said big name QBs and Stafford lost his chance to be mentioned with the other QBs you listed.
At the beginning of the year Stafford was being drafted as a top 5 or 6 quarterback and even though he struggled throughout the year many people had given him a pass because Calvin was out/gimpy for about 5 games. He was supposed to break out of it with a soft schedule at the end the of year with Chicago twice, Tampa, and Minnesota. So you can take him out now, but you are hindsight in doing so.
I know I have had Stafford before and even had him with Luck/Tannehill in my start 2QB team (not in redraft this year due to high price). I am saying that list of top QBs had some bad games and that Stafford doesn't belong on it when trying to compare what happened at the end of the season and looking forward is all. I give a pass to everyone else on that list though for 1 or 2 bad games during the playoffs.
That's what happens when you play in the AFC East and get home field every year.
No doubt 1st Ballot HOF even if he turns into a FF bust the rest of his career (which I doubt)
LOL. It takes a unique mental condition to challenge a stat like that.
You don't say?
sure, afc east is weak, but that only accounts for 1/2 their games. There have been other weak conferences in the past decade- Nfc north, afc south, and yet you dont see another team going to 9 conference championships.
Patriots regular season record since 2001 (Colts included in division for 2001)
Anyone know if the differences between in and out of division records are far from the norm?
50% on Brady/Belichick
i think it is more than 50% coach/qb. As i said early, a few other divisions have been weak, yet other teams haven't been able to use that to their advantage to have the sustained success the pats have. I never hear a similar argument to knock the Colts down a peg, who people think had the better qb, better offensive weapons, etc. Houston/Tenn/jax are not great competition either. Afc west was a joke for a bit too.
I believe manning made it to the afccg 3 of his 13 years prior to denver
Either the Colts or the Broncos could have claimed homefield throughout with a win against the Pats this year. How did those games turn out again?
Do you or anyone else that is claiming this have anything to support the opinion?
On top of that I would add that if the Broncos had won their home game against Indy last week they would be in the afccc. Point being, it's not easy making the playoffs and it sure as heck aint easy advancing once you get there.
I'd guess they'd mostly be around the same for in and out of division for most teams. If the Patriots had lost 3 more division games over the last 14 years their out of division record would be slightly better.
Here's the division summary of cumulative statistics (non-division games only) for 2002-2013:
NE 0.754IND 0.646PIT 0.604PHI 0.588BAL 0.577DEN 0.577GB 0.577SD 0.562DAL 0.562NO 0.554ATL 0.550NYG 0.523SEA 0.523CHI 0.508CIN 0.508TEN 0.500NYJ 0.485CAR 0.481MIA 0.477KC 0.477MIN 0.469HOU 0.446BUF 0.438WAS 0.431TB 0.431SF 0.431ARI 0.431JAC 0.423CLE 0.400STL 0.377DET 0.354OAK 0.323Well other than the Patriots the rest of the division has been on the low end of mediocre. The reason the AFCE finished on top is entirely due to the Patriots. This doesn't really refute the argument that the Patriots division opponents have been weak. (again they are 26 games under .500 against the rest of the NFL since 2001 22 games under .500 from 2002-2013) None of the other teams have won 10+ games 2 years in a row during this period.
Top 10 by difference
so, what you're telling me is that the pats have been so completely dominant in destroying the rest of the league outside their division that they singlehandedly pulled their ####ty divisionmates to the top of the rankings, outweighing the group effort of all 4 teams in every other division.
The data says the Patriots have been so dominant outside their division that it carried the entire division to the top of the rankings from Football Outsiders despite the fact that all of the other teams in the division were losing teams. Is that clear enough for you?Kool-Aid Larry said:
Everyone knows Brady started very slow the first 4 games - never throwing for more than 250 or 1 td - with line problems and Gronk rounding back into shape. 9 of his 21 sacks came in those four games.
