If he went the Rams I'm pretty sure only one of Crabtree or Talib would make it out of preseason alive.
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WR Michael Crabtree, Free Agent (1 Viewer)
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Would be a really good landing spot. Crabtree is two years younger and could easily play the role Jordy played in 2016. But there are a lot of WR needy teams, some with a lot of cap space (Jets). Baltimore seems most desperate for a WR, though.
Alex P Keaton
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Ravens tried to give Grant that money but they are interested in Crabtree because Grant failed his physical and deal is dead.
Cowboysfan8
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jeaton6
Footballguy
I wonder what level of justification required on the failure? My guess is same as a potential homeowner post inspection, i.e. zero.Any chance Balt found out Crabtree was released and "Grant failed his physical?"
Don't know but for a GM who has traditionally sucked at obtaining quality WR's we might have just seen Ozzie hit a new low.Any chance Balt found out Crabtree was released and "Grant failed his physical?"
I mean trying to overpay Grant is bad by itself but I just realized they tried to commit about $20M to two WR's and John Brown turns out to be the healthy one.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Cowboysfan8
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I wouldn't mind seeing him go to Dallas for a decent price. Sign him to replace Williams, find a LG somehow and draft defense.
I have no idea how much $ he's looking for though
I have no idea how much $ he's looking for though
Alex P Keaton
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Dr. Octopus
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2017 was a bad year for the Raiders as a whole, but if we're talking about an upgrade from his 2015 and 2016 seasons, there are not many places where he'll get 145+ targets.
- With the lack of options in Baltimore, I think he could see some Anquan Boldin-esque success there (John Brown, if healthy, would occupy the Torrey Smith role)
- I just don't know if the targets would be there in Seattle. But quality of target would be up. Could see him being a red zone machine for Wilson.
- Same as above for New Orleans, although Crabtree would probably move to the slot here, which I think is a move he was going to be making as he got older anyway.
- I agree with Dr. O that Dallas needs speed, but Crabtree might be the best WR on the team at this point (no idea what's going on with the Dez/Dak connection), so he could still have solid value there.
- I think he'd be an upgrade over Funchess in Carolina, but I doubt he'd be treated that way. I would not like this landing spot.
- SF would be interesting, but he'd be occupying the same role as Garcon. I think Crabtree is much better than Garcon, but I don't know how it would pan out.
- NE would be awful. Way too many mouths to feed and father time is coming for Brady.
- I'd see the Jets as a lateral move because somebody has to catch the ball there, but then again I'm not an Enunwa believer.
- Not sure how the split in Washington would work between Doctson, Richardson, Crowder, and Crabtree. I could see Crabtree being a good fit with Smith the second time around, though.
- Arizona desperately needs a WR, but I'd see this as a downgrade.
- I'd still like to see him fill the Jordy role in GB - I think 2016 Jordy = 2018 Crabtree as far as ability and skill set.
King of the Jungle
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If someone wakes the Colt's up for free agency they could use a receiver.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Haha, yes, they've been so absent I totally forgot about them. Crabtree would be a perfect complement to Hilton.
strong
Footballguy
FF Ninja said:
as a crab dyno owner, i'm happy with this turn of events. i think his floor stays the same but he's got a better shot at getting back into that "Good WR2" conversation and i'd think he even has an outside chance at being a TD-dependent low-end WR1 if he can sync up with Flacco in the red zone...
Alex P Keaton
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I don't know. Seems like Crabtree was better off in a high volume offense where he isn't defended by the #1 CB on the other team.
strong
Footballguy
there's probably some merit to this but i still think crabtree sees a bump up in dyno and redraft.
it's been a while since flacco put a receiver "on the map" so to speak but in the last few years he did get a kamer aiken, a 30 year old mike wallace, and a 35 year old steve smith into solid WR3 territory. personally, i think crab might has a better ceiling than any of those guys with his talent and red zone skills.
Blick
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
hahaha. You're on an island alone (or you're a Crabtree owner hoping to inflate his value).
Even if I'm in win-now mode, I'm not interested in acquiring Crabtree for unless it's 2.07 or later.
If I’m picking at 1.11 or 1.12 that means my team was pretty good, if not great. If WR was a need area, I’d deal that pick for Crabtree.
He can't be all that good...they're paying him even less than they offered Ryan Grant.
voiceofunreason
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foxco
Footballguy
Don’t expect him to be a stud, but he should have plenty of targets, which is about the best you can hope for at this point in his career.
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Snorkelson
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What were they thinking with that contract?He can't be all that good...they're paying him even less than they offered Ryan Grant.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think its pretty fair to expect Crabtree's numbers to be similar to what Wallace did last year. 1,000-7 is probably close to his ceiling.
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I think the Raiders swapping in Nelson for Crabtree makes a ton of sense. They are roughly equal talents at this point, and Nelson is a far superior locker room guy, and mentor/sounding board for Carr and Cooper. This is Gruden 101.
Neither Carr nor Flacco is that great of a QB, but Carr throws more TDs. In general, it is pretty elite for a WR to catch 33% of his QB's TDs. Crabtree is still at the tail end of his prime and is a great red zone player, so he's got a good shot at that. However, we're only talking about maybe 7 TDs. So if Crabtree is to become a WR1, it's going to have to be on heavy volume, not TDs. I mean, there are rare cases where a guy catches 50% of his team's receiving TDs, but that's very uncommon.
I can't speak to which CB faced Crabtree week-to-week, but I'm inclined to agree with this statement. If Crabtree can still get 145+ targets, I think he'll put up similar numbers as he did in Oakland. I think he finished right around WR12/13 in 2016, so that's pretty good. He's been criminally underrated for a few years.
https://twitter.com/MattHarmon_BYB/status/974309565356322816Even in 2016, the advanced statistics were showing Nelson in decline. He's two years older than Crabtree and I don't think he's going to age as well. I think Crabtree will be able to make a Fitzgerald-like transition to the slot as he gets older, but for now he's still a capable outside WR, which Jordy is not.
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As for the debate about his dynasty value, I agree with the guy who said he'd give up a late 1st if it was a need. People get caught up looking at age, but different players age differently. Some guys are finished after their age 31 season. Other guys are able to transition their game. I argued in dynasty threads in the past that DT and Crabtree have been flip flopped bc DT used to be ranked a lot higher, but they are the same age and I just don't see DT's game aging as well as Crabtree's. I think Crabtree could easily pull a Boldin where he's still relevant in his mid-30's because there's always room on a roster for a big bodied WR who can run precise routes and catch contested passes. So my point is that you can get Crabtree right now for the price of a guy who only has 1-2 years left, but you'll probably squeeze 3-5 years out of him, even if those last 2 years are just as a flex or bye week filler.
Dr. Octopus
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If you are picking at 1.11 or 1.12 and your team is good you are far better off taking a shot at long term upside with the pick than the WR2/3 production you will get from Crabtree. That production comes a lot cheaper.
cloppbeast
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He’s criminally undervalued. Right now his floor is WR3/flex, but he could easily be a high end #2. I think his ADP will start to creep up this pre-season
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
I've tried to trade him but nobody wants him, lol.
