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Black Box
Footballguy
We'll give it out to any fbg posters who know what they're doing and are on board with the concept. Will withhold from kids, etc.
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Footballguy
freeannyong
Footballguy
Why do people think the update will be this week? Usually they have like 7 sneak peeks and then update drops. I need the time to go after skull walls now!
Black Box
Footballguy
Is shuke ever welcome?Is shuke welcome?Alright, it sounds like there is enough interest to at least try a 2x/week warring clan that is a bit more serious than the Boog/Honda. I am going to start one up. Any bases TH7 and below in any state of development are welcome, as long as you participate and are willing to learn. Any bases TH8 and above cannot be underdeveloped*. If it is underdeveloped, we'll kindly ask you to hold off on upgrading your TH and catch up in another clan. Then you can come on over. Yes, we are going to be jerks about it
Maybe it will take, or maybe it won't and we'll all come crawling back.
If the Boog and Honda both drop low in numbers, I'd suggest merging them. Boogers could move over to Honda, since the two clans aim to do essentially the same thing.
But we will shoot for getting enough for war to declare this Thursday evening with the second war declare TBD... probably on Sun or Mon night in order to space them out. Hopefully we won't drag along trying to gain new members for a long period of time.
I'll post again once I have the new clan opened up. Search for "FBG4".
*An underdeveloped TH8 would have TH6 level stuff. It might also be lacking in troop upgrades or have terrible walls. A TH8 with TH7 level stuff, or new TH8 level buildings is normal and welcome. Much like porn, you know an underdeveloped base when you see it.
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
If I hang back in Honda for the thursday war and then hop over to the S-Bus just for your 2nd war, will that be frowned upon?
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Hope it works. Last time we tried a 4th clan it lasted about 3 minutes.
Black Box
Footballguy
Black Box
Footballguy
GregR
Footballguy
I'll be willing to move over for it, maybe bounce between there and FBG1 to some extent depending how numbers work out.Alright, it sounds like there is enough interest to at least try a 2x/week warring clan that is a bit more serious than the Boog/Honda. I am going to start one up. Any bases TH7 and below in any state of development are welcome, as long as you participate and are willing to learn. Any bases TH8 and above cannot be underdeveloped*. If it is underdeveloped, we'll kindly ask you to hold off on upgrading your TH and catch up in another clan. Then you can come on over. Yes, we are going to be jerks about it
Maybe it will take, or maybe it won't and we'll all come crawling back.
If the Boog and Honda both drop low in numbers, I'd suggest merging them. Boogers could move over to Honda, since the two clans aim to do essentially the same thing.
But we will shoot for getting enough for war to declare this Thursday evening with the second war declare TBD... probably on Sun or Mon night in order to space them out. Hopefully we won't drag along trying to gain new members for a long period of time.
I'll post again once I have the new clan opened up. Search for "FBG4".
*An underdeveloped TH8 would have TH6 level stuff. It might also be lacking in troop upgrades or have terrible walls. A TH8 with TH7 level stuff, or new TH8 level buildings is normal and welcome. Much like porn, you know an underdeveloped base when you see it.
How do we feel about kids in it? I'd rather not have to censor our language so would be fine saying no kids, we have 2 other options for them.
Also, I'd say for underdeveloped, focus as much on attack strength as on defense. If there's a TH8 with maxed TH8 troops but some underpowered defenses, that won't bother me as much as a TH10 who never upgraded the troops needed to face low end TH10 when we need them to. The former helps our matchmaking, the latter kills it.
And I'd throw in a general, people who just show up to get in an attack so they don't get booted for inactivity isn't what we're wanting. Using barch when people have better units available, not caring what's in CC, not working on a sound war base, never talking in chat to help us optimize our strategy... those are all bad signs.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
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uhm
hhh
To attack whenever they wish on cleanup or any no-shows past 8:30am EST tomorrow. Make sure they are aware of this in chat.
Paintrain try to get attacks in asap from the gun.
31 and 32 are interesting cases. Not sure how this will get handled.
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33 - Dude
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35 - Acer
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adam
uhm
hhh
To attack whenever they wish on cleanup or any no-shows past 8:30am EST tomorrow. Make sure they are aware of this in chat.
Paintrain try to get attacks in asap from the gun.
31 and 32 are interesting cases. Not sure how this will get handled.
Black Box
Footballguy
I'm open to kids, but you make a good point about them. Kids can come, but don't expect it to be family friendly. So use your discretion parents.
Agreed on your latter points.
Black Box
Footballguy
Thursday just because it is easy. In all likelihood, we don't have enough by Thursday, so we'll just declare whenever we have enough.
In other words, the clan will war 2x a week, but the schedule is not set in stone as of yet.
ETA: And since this clan is going for a bit more commitment than Boog/Honda, I think it makes sense to start a new one instead of asking a bunch of people to leave.
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GregR
Footballguy
Because it creates a better environment for our cleaning up to get the 1st star on the TH10 at the same time as we've got a shot at the 2nd star.
Let's say I have a 40% chance at 2 stars, a 40% chance at 1 star, and a 20% chance of botching it. If the TH10 has no stars, then my EV is 1.2 stars added.
If he already has a star, then my EV for attacking the TH 10 becomes a 40% chance of adding 1 star (his second), or 0.4 stars. At that point I'm probably better off attacking a 1-starred TH9 than I am attacking a 1-starred TH10. And there are other people with attacks left who can probably pick up the 1 star on the TH9 I'll get, but they aren't expressing confidence in getting a 2nd star from the TH10.
In other words, unless every other TH9 gets cleaned up, by having gotten 1 star on that TH 10 base we've probably removed any real possibility that trying for the 2nd star is in our best moves.
Or put another way, the chances I get 2 from the TH10 and Jordan can pick up a lone star off a TH9 getting a dragon to the TH are probably greater than the chances that Jordan gets 1 off a TH10 and I am able to convert a 1-star into a 3-star. At least against that opponent with strong walled TH9s.
I think if everyone says, "No, none of us has a good shot at 2 stars from that particular TH10" is the time having lower guys see what it would take to get 1 is the right move.
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Warsteinner
Footballguy
I'm sitting around in the 500s completely maxed on gold and almost on elixir. I still have 5 more days until TH9 is ready. I contemplating pulling a Ron and making myself TH9 now or else I'm going to end up in the wagering thread tonight with a small fortune on Roast Beef A&M laying 8.5 points.
I think this results in either Honda or boog closing...not enough active players to support four clans. Not sure why boog doesn't do some house cleaning instead.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Sounds about right.I'll be willing to move over for it, maybe bounce between there and FBG1 to some extent depending how numbers work out.Alright, it sounds like there is enough interest to at least try a 2x/week warring clan that is a bit more serious than the Boog/Honda. I am going to start one up. Any bases TH7 and below in any state of development are welcome, as long as you participate and are willing to learn. Any bases TH8 and above cannot be underdeveloped*. If it is underdeveloped, we'll kindly ask you to hold off on upgrading your TH and catch up in another clan. Then you can come on over. Yes, we are going to be jerks about it
Maybe it will take, or maybe it won't and we'll all come crawling back.
If the Boog and Honda both drop low in numbers, I'd suggest merging them. Boogers could move over to Honda, since the two clans aim to do essentially the same thing.
But we will shoot for getting enough for war to declare this Thursday evening with the second war declare TBD... probably on Sun or Mon night in order to space them out. Hopefully we won't drag along trying to gain new members for a long period of time.
I'll post again once I have the new clan opened up. Search for "FBG4".
*An underdeveloped TH8 would have TH6 level stuff. It might also be lacking in troop upgrades or have terrible walls. A TH8 with TH7 level stuff, or new TH8 level buildings is normal and welcome. Much like porn, you know an underdeveloped base when you see it.
How do we feel about kids in it? I'd rather not have to censor our language so would be fine saying no kids, we have 2 other options for them.
Also, I'd say for underdeveloped, focus as much on attack strength as on defense. If there's a TH8 with maxed TH8 troops but some underpowered defenses, that won't bother me as much as a TH10 who never upgraded the troops needed to face low end TH10 when we need them to. The former helps our matchmaking, the latter kills it.
And I'd throw in a general, people who just show up to get in an attack so they don't get booted for inactivity isn't what we're wanting. Using barch when people have better units available, not caring what's in CC, not working on a sound war base, never talking in chat to help us optimize our strategy... those are all bad signs.
And I'm not anti-kids if their parents don't care about language, but the same expectations should be there concerning donations, wars, etc. At this point, I'd say that most of the kids in our clans aren't quite up to snuff. If they wouldn't cut it in FBG1, then FBG4 isn't for them either.
Instinctive
Footballguy
NIU Kicker
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
I don't like this. Where is my don't like button?
If I was going to swing big at a TH10 for 2 as a TH9 I would much prefer there to be one on the board already.
It's like an expiring option contract. You always want to wait to you have all the information in hand before you exercise it.
Jordan getting 1 shouldn't have steered you away there if you really thought 2 was in the bag. With Jordan's one you are going all out for the TH and not having to half ### it to get a 50 if things go haywire.
What happens if you go first, whiff for 0. then jordan can't quite get it done, becuase lets admit none of us were really sure it was doable. Then where are we?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I think a Saturday night declare after Boog/FBG1 ends may be better. Grab som Boog/FBG1/Honda guys. Then declare for war 2 right after the first ends. That way guys could go back to Boog/Honda/FBG1 guys for Thursday too if they want.
GregR
Footballguy
If there was scouting information to be gained, that might be worthwhile. There wasn't here, the CC contents were known and a dragon attack wasn't going to give any new info that would help a gowipe.
What we're talking about is the same thing essentially as why we started doing +5. We don't want to use 2 attacks to 3-star a base, we want to hit the max stars we'll get in as few attacks, and free up the other attack to try for a star elsewhere.
Just the war situation, with us trailing, I think going in the opposite order was the right move there.
I agree it's debatable. Like i said, I took awhile to mull it over before finally deciding that was the right take and worth bringing up. I think it comes down to situation at the moment. If the same thing was 8 hours earlier maybe it's different. Right near the end of the war and trailing though, I think we needed to swing for the max stars.
Instinctive
Footballguy
The point of this should not be to pull from FBG1. Which already constant wars.
The point should be to pull the serious Honda and Boog people, and ideally it would force remaining Honda and Boog to end up joining as one, wouldn't it? Then we'll have realigned:
FBG1: The Big Leagues
FBG2: Boog or Honda -> casual and learning and kid-friendly language
FBG4: Serious Bus warring 2x a week.
culdeus
Footballguy
See what Darth Maul thinks. He has skulls and should have the firepower to torch that base. I think we need to be thinking loot on 2nd attacks for everyone with the upgrades coming and all that.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Man I wish I knew what this stuff meant. Having fun in Boog though (new as of yesterday).
Warsteinner
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
Jordan getting 1 on a TH10 is phenominally +EV. If 2 is even at all possible it makes your focus singular when you hit that base later. Because you can't get 2 without the TH so you go all out for that and if the 50 comes boom, gatorade showers, coke, hoookers, all that. It also take some of the pressure off if pressure affects you in a game and all that.
Him getting 1 on a TH9 does nothing for us and hurts, but 1 on a TH10 with 2 infernos is redonkulous huge. I think that's where our disconnect may lie. If there's no hope for a 3 then getting 1 is helping. If 2 is the high end then 1 does nothing and might hurt. Finding and holding those snipe-y bases is a skill I don't quite have. Seems doc has some mad skills at it and we'll get better over time.
As we roll deeper into harder clans with pain trains running and TH8 having limited spots to place their attacks this is going to be a more needed approach (TH8 sniping a 50).
Shoot_Me_Now
Footballguy
I understand what you're saying and could agree in other cases. However, think Jordan is still rocking level two dragons and getting two on one of the remaining TH9s we had left was probably 0% chance. We already saw 5 failed lvl 3 drag rushes on what we thought was the best TH9 for our low guys to drag ruah for two stars.
I really don't think he could add value anywhere but #5 at that point in the war.
Black Box
Footballguy
I could see some in fbgs switching IF and ONLY IF constant warring is just too much. Now they have a 2x war option.
I can see that realignment as how it ultimately plays out. But I can also see this new clan going down in flames like the farming one.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
Can you confirm FBG4 will be a 2x a week war clan? It's really FBG1 with discretionary membership and one less war. And can you confirm whether this 1 canon base will be a trend in there? Shuke and Buttworms exempted, of course, but I agree with GR that giving up 3 stars on those bases will hurt more than help any matchmaking especially in any war that's not a full 50v50.
Black Box
Footballguy
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
+1.Same here. What kick in the ####.Sure am glad I busted my ### to get Golems2 done.
On that note, I'm running gowipe as a early TH9 right now with troops that are TH8 level, L2 golem and L3 pekkas. I had that before I got to TH9. I've now used this against mid to max TH8s and all but one has been 3 star. The one max TH8 I 3 starred a few wars ago though had a base layout that was just begging to be gowiped so that one really doesn't count. It looked like it could have been barched with furs leading the charge. But against mid-level TH8s with max AD's this is a good go-to. Now with the changes coming, no reason not to get to max gowipe as a TH8. I now wish I didn't hit TH9 if not for the AQ. AQ is badass.
Black Box
Footballguy
:confirmed:
2x wars a week. We won't be pushing one canon bases. We prefer developed bases over gimmicks :ducks:
Shoot_Me_Now
Footballguy
EYLive
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
I'll see what this thing looks like when I get home. They were gonna matchmake right as I left for the day. Most of the bases didn't have good walls or anything.
igbomb
Footballguy
1. I don't like the idea of gimmick bases to game the matchmaking system. Doesn't mean I think we all need to max out. But those 50 single cannon bases sound ridiculously dumb.
2. I think we can clearly see that underdeveloped bases with rushed THs and no offense are a bad thing for our clan.
What do we do about it? I'm all about being a nice guy (in general) but I'm fixing to boot as needed at this point.
We've had troubles in recent wars against other 'try hard' clans. Not that this is a bad thing necessarily, but as we get stronger and face serious opponents little issues magnify.
2. I think we can clearly see that underdeveloped bases with rushed THs and no offense are a bad thing for our clan.
What do we do about it? I'm all about being a nice guy (in general) but I'm fixing to boot as needed at this point.
We've had troubles in recent wars against other 'try hard' clans. Not that this is a bad thing necessarily, but as we get stronger and face serious opponents little issues magnify.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Fair point. FBG4 should diminish people having to jump back and forth much. But I would bet that there are at least a few FBG1s that might rather be in for 2 wars a week rather than 3. But you're right in that war schedule shouldn't really matter in the end if FBG4 actually works.
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