Poncho
Footballguy
I have a feeling gurley wont play. Cant see them risking it being a meaningless game....
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[Dynasty] Todd Gurley (3 Viewers)
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Team Smokin'
Footballguy
That would be amazing, yet not out of the question. Every site or ranking I see Gurley in the top 2-5. What gives? Lazy vacation for those following and posting updates? Even ESPN doesn't talk about it? I don't get it?
packersfan
Footballguy
Officially listed as doubtful so he isn't playing
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
I just see where Dodds and Tremblay have put his numbers at 0. Bloom will most likely follow suit. Tre Mason looks like a top 10-15.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I stopped reading when you said "if two guys are close". I don't think they are remotely close in value at all for two obvious reasons, talent and age. That's the end of the discussion for me. That's all I need to say. If you disagree, so be it.You are right, his ACL looks fine.
But if I have two players, that are very close, then give me the one NOT coming off major injury.
Look, I get it, I really do. Injuries are fluky and very hard to predict.
I'm just saying personally, I'd rather have the guy that doesn't have that injury on his track record.
The fact that he is on a much better offense should be yet another reason to like him, if it were a close pick.
Beyond that, if you are saying that DJ being on the better offense means nothing to me ....well thats silly and "short sighted" at best.
Are you saying his "superior talent" which it seems you believe he has, can overcome him being on a bad offense?
Regardless, I'm not looking for an argument, it seems as if people want to split hairs sometimes on this board, and this is looking to be a classic case of just that.
The fact is, both are extremely talented, and I wouldn't mind owning either.
If both are healthy next year, there is a great chance they are both top 5 in their positions.
If its an extremely close case, then give me the guy coming off a major injury, and is on a great offense to boot.
Now- IF YOU FEEL GURLEY IS FAR AND AWAY THE BETTER TALENT , then the factors I mentioned might not be enough to overcome that. But thats not really the argument you seem to be making.
I personally don't feel like Gurley is that huge of a talent upgrade over DJ, but time may prove me wrong on that.
One thing is for sure, if DJ keeps having monster games and they go to the Super Bowl, then his price will be extremely expensive next year, and Gurley would be a much better value.
TZM
Was it you or the other guy who says you don't play in dynasty leagues? Maybe you shouldn't. This kind of ranking will get keep you donating to everyone else for years and years.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Uh oh, drop this injury prone guy in your rankings. Such a red flag to sit your stud RB coming off ACL surgery a year ago in a meaningless game.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
So rather than try and have discussion about which one is better of the two, or (gasp) actually try and state why you think he is better, you resort to "maybe you shouldn't play in dynasty ".
Got it.
The best thing about this and your posts, is if Gurley comes out next year, and is obviously hampered by his stagnant offense, then you have a crutch to blame his performance on.(and your personal stance) So rejoice!!
What if he does get injured again?
Will you then say that DJ had been a better pick? Or would you blame it on the fluky injury factor....?
Or would you be grasping at another straw to try and cling on to your opinion, even though it may have been wrong.
Let me guess, you might also be one of those guys that vanishes when they are wrong on someone too, right?
I said it earlier, I believe the two are extremely close, and I don't fault anyone going either way.
If both guys are starters for their teams next year for the whole season, I think there is a legitimate chance both *could* be top 5 guys.
There is a whole host of factors that could make this a scenario, where its not even close, or one isn't even fantasy relevant by the end of next year.
Injury is only one.
Just give me the one with the less checkered injury history. (oh wait, one is on a poor offense too)
You go on to say "This kind of ranking will get keep you donating to everyone else for years and years."
I think you meant to say "will keep". But I get what you are trying to assert here, even though you are wrong.
It is short term results-oriented people just like this who I make my living off of every day.
Just keep punching your clock, sir.
You said - "I stopped reading when you said "if two guys are close"
If you actually did stop reading, then why did you bother responding?
I don't understand this.
So you are trying to state a case, or make an argument for something, yet you didn't read an entire post you were set on responding to?
TZM
Sebowski
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If gurley tore both his acls right now i would take him over johnson. Its close, but i would.
Like i said, stay away from dynasty. You will be better off for it.
Like i said, stay away from dynasty. You will be better off for it.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
This is probably the reason I was told off the board not to even get in a discussion with you sir.
A true waste of time, and now you mention you would take Gurley if he were to tear both acls.
I was told you were one of a handful I should put in my ignore file right off the bat, but I try and give everyone a chance.
Now, you are there permanently.
OPEN NOTE TO ALL DYNASTY PLAYERS ON THIS BOARD -
A- Get in as many leagues as you can with ghostguy123, as apparently he even doesn't mind taking players with 2 torn acls.
B- Hope he continues to punch the clock every week so he can afford his fantasy habits.
For its these types of people that will always continue to make our fantasy leagues profitable.
TZM
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
This is so good it just has to be fattening.
Not that anyone cares, maybe you do since you are so passionate, but I am in two high stakes dynasty leagues and won both of them this year, and took 1st and 2nd last year, plus similar success the previous couple seasons since joining high stakes dynasty.
I guess I need someone to quote this so he can see it??? (Yeah right).
Anyway, for people who want to rank johnson over gurley in dynasty, good luck. I dont own either of them in any leagues anywhere and probably never will. No dog in this fight, just common sense.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
By the way I was NOT joking about the duel torn ACL thing.
starks
Footballguy
I am glad he isn't playing this week, if something were to happen to my baby the last week of the year in a meaningless game I would be pissed all offseason. For those crying about week 17 availability you should be squarely kicked in jock for even playing in a league that does that.
I'm not a dynasty league, but I'm in one week 17 league and honestly it is a pain but I hope it doesn't change. The prize money is split between total points (through week 17) and the championship so it's always nice that almost half the league is usually in it till the last week. Just like the discussions about PPR. You might not like it but who cares you play to the rules.
I'm thinking of trying to sell for Luck. Gurley would cost me a 5th and if I trade him for Luck I'd lose a 4th instead.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
3nOut
Footballguy
What are Gurley's splits with grass vs. turf? I assume the LA Rams will have a grass field. Is this better or worse for him? Does it make a difference? I am almost certain he played his college career on grass. If anything, this should make it easier in his knees and prolong his career.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
he's NOT coming off a major injury - he already came off of one and showed no ill effects.
Quez
Footballguy
spider321
Footballguy
So you think that someone who happens to play the QB position should get it, because they play QB, right?
Quez
Footballguy
When the QB threw for 3rd highest passing yards of any rookie QB, then yes.Besides, Rams have a pretty decent O-line. They made Benny Cunningham & Tre Mason look good at times.So you think that someone who happens to play the QB position should get it, because they play QB, right?
This is just the NFL already pandering to the LA market.
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Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/olWhen the QB threw for 3rd highest passing yards of any rookie QB, then yes.Besides, Rams have a pretty decent O-line. They made Benny Cunningham & Tre Mason look good at times.So you think that someone who happens to play the QB position should get it, because they play QB, right?
This is just the NFL already pandering to the LA market.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/20/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season/
20th and 25th in graded run blocking
You were saying?
Quez
Footballguy
I assumed the Oline was better. What happened to Greg Robinson? The guy was supposed to be a stud. I guess Tre Mason & Benny Cunningham were just a good rbs.http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/olWhen the QB threw for 3rd highest passing yards of any rookie QB, then yes.Besides, Rams have a pretty decent O-line. They made Benny Cunningham & Tre Mason look good at times.So you think that someone who happens to play the QB position should get it, because they play QB, right?
This is just the NFL already pandering to the LA market.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/20/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season/
20th and 25th in graded run blocking
You were saying?
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
I know ypc is not the end-all be-all but...I assumed the Oline was better. What happened to Greg Robinson? The guy was supposed to be a stud. I guess Tre Mason & Benny Cunningham were just a good rbs.http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/olWhen the QB threw for 3rd highest passing yards of any rookie QB, then yes.Besides, Rams have a pretty decent O-line. They made Benny Cunningham & Tre Mason look good at times.So you think that someone who happens to play the QB position should get it, because they play QB, right?
This is just the NFL already pandering to the LA market.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/20/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season/
20th and 25th in graded run blocking
You were saying?
Mason in 2015- 75/208- 2.8ypc
Benny Cunningham in 2015- 37/140- 3.8 ypc
Gurley in 2015- 229/1108- 4.8 ypc
Faust
MVP
Todd Gurley said he's "got to get more catches this year."
Gurley was targeted just 26 times out of the backfield as a rookie, which was 48th among all running backs. He said he tried to get involved more down the stretch last season and hopes to see those numbers rise in 2016 after a fully healthy offseason where he's also dropped 10-15 pounds after being listed at 231 coming out of college. If Gurley can add 15-20 more catches, it makes him all that more appealing as a surefire top-three fantasy running back.
Source: ESPN.com
Jun 3 - 11:19 AM
Dez
Footballguy
lardonastick
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
he's very well thought in the article but how do you account for freakish ability? how many times were Tomlinson or Peterson on terrible teams where they made something from nothing and elevated the play of the entire team?
Borden
Footballguy
Good article but it read strange.
It was basically "Todd Gurley has the worst situation in FF." I would guess a large portion of this board won't take a RB in the top 5 of their draft anyways. Or maybe it should be; "Is Gurley a top 5 RB?" That's what most of numbers that he uses reference anyways.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Pre-draft perception is a funny animal in redraft.
DJ and Gurley the consensus top 2 RBs this year, and 3 other RBs are virtually guaranteed to go in the first round (ADP, Elliott, Miller.) The Big 3 WRs in PPR are pretty much locked in (AB, OBJ, JJ), and Nuk, Green and Dez often fills out the tail end. Somebody will draft Gronk in the first.
I have the fifth pick and there's a 75% chance I'll be staring at a choice of Gurley or the WR4 (whoever you think that is.)
I'm strongly considering going against consensus and taking a RB from the state of Texas just based on volume.
I owned Gueley last year, he's a generational talent on Peterson's level. But I'm not convinced I want to own him in redraft this year.
DJ and Gurley the consensus top 2 RBs this year, and 3 other RBs are virtually guaranteed to go in the first round (ADP, Elliott, Miller.) The Big 3 WRs in PPR are pretty much locked in (AB, OBJ, JJ), and Nuk, Green and Dez often fills out the tail end. Somebody will draft Gronk in the first.
I have the fifth pick and there's a 75% chance I'll be staring at a choice of Gurley or the WR4 (whoever you think that is.)
I'm strongly considering going against consensus and taking a RB from the state of Texas just based on volume.
I owned Gueley last year, he's a generational talent on Peterson's level. But I'm not convinced I want to own him in redraft this year.
Squintz82
Footballguy
I'm really considering going against ADP and snagging Gurley at 1.03 in a 0.5 PPR. I'm a bit biased because he helped me me to a championship last season. But I just feel like his floor combined with a someone like Mike Evans / Keenan Allen / D. Thomas is way more valuable than someone like Julio combined with McCoy / Lacy / CJA. Maybe I'm crazy?
flapgreen
Footballguy
Not at all. I was the opposite for a while and now I'm coming around to this. But I have a pick a little later than that
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Because on a year-round FF board such as this one, a lot of dynasty players let their instinctive long-run planning slip into their redraft projections.
Pwingles
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
Dizzy
Footballguy
Looks the same as last year.
Gurley on 1st & 2nd down... hope to convert on 3rd... and eventually (hopefully) he breaks one off in the 4th qtr.
Got Jeff Fisher, a 1970s offense, and a reclaim project QB... what's not to love?
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Fisher just looks like the game has passed him by. Brutal to watch this offense.Looks the same as last year.
Gurley on 1st & 2nd down... hope to convert on 3rd... and eventually (hopefully) he breaks one off in the 4th qtr.
Got Jeff Fisher, a 1970s offense, and a reclaim project QB... what's not to love?
Dizzy
Footballguy
Agreed. You need a QB and the ability to "open things up" in today's NFL.
Fisher ain't going back to the play-offs by trying to win games by 13-10 while handing the ball to Eddie George Todd Gurley 350 times to shorten the games.
