dkp993
Footballguy
My bad you are correct. The gassed TD was the Henderson GL carries that ultimately became the Higbee TD. Thank you.
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[Dynasty] Todd Gurley (7 Viewers)
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leftcoastheel
Footballguy
Flex at best. And I live in LA
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
In 14 games last year, Gurley had 825 snaps. It's a HUGE workload. Obviously it caused issues for him. So LAR is focused on load management...I'm sure its easy to get tempted to have Gurley out there 85-95% of the time. I have to think McVay recognizes that it's on him to exercise discipline in his usage pattern.
Gurley will be productive - and I'd say that most assuredly because he's still one of the best RB's in the game. But where you once had a combo volume/playmaker asset in him, he'll simply need to be more efficient going forward to yield RB1 value which is more than possible. But his touches will max out 15-18 per game range versus 22-24.
Gurley will be productive - and I'd say that most assuredly because he's still one of the best RB's in the game. But where you once had a combo volume/playmaker asset in him, he'll simply need to be more efficient going forward to yield RB1 value which is more than possible. But his touches will max out 15-18 per game range versus 22-24.
Todem
Footballguy
Apologies that I find the false confidence of Gurley owners comical following a (non-blowout) game where he got 14 carries, 1 target, and was sniped of most red zone work. But yeah, not worried at all.
dkp993
Footballguy
So my observations were pretty much right on. Gurley played 54 snaps compared to Brown’s 21. Gurley got 70%. Most importantly from the middle of the 3rd Brown didn’t get another carry (DH got 2 on the GL). They trusted Gurley when it mattered most. I truly believe the GL carries were flukey and Gurley will get his and likely be amongst the leaders in TD’s for RB’s like always.
Its clear his workload is/will be reduced from the 90% snap count of years past but if he gets 70% as he did in game 1 we’re all good.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
That seems like a fair and rational take. Thanks for posting the snap count. That makes sense.
Football Jones
Footballguy
If I was a Gurley owner, sure, I'd be worried. I might not panic, but there's already enough evidence to say his ceiling is clearly hindered.
We now know for sure there's an issue. In one aspect, it's a relief that Gurley had 15 touches with a good YPC, but this was the healthiest he'll ever be & they needed him in a tough matchup.
The GL carries for Brown could be a fluke, but we don't know that yet. If I was a Gurley owner, I'd be uneasy at best.
We now know for sure there's an issue. In one aspect, it's a relief that Gurley had 15 touches with a good YPC, but this was the healthiest he'll ever be & they needed him in a tough matchup.
The GL carries for Brown could be a fluke, but we don't know that yet. If I was a Gurley owner, I'd be uneasy at best.
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ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Nice that he got snap count, but if this is not a concern, then I want some of whatever you are smoking...
"Of the 12 official red-zone plays in four trips for the Rams on Sunday, Gurley got an official touch on zero of them.
The lone Gurley red-zone touch was negated by a holding penalty, but that even ended poorly with Gurley fumbling after a five-yard rush (a teammate recovered the ball)."
Nice that they "trusted him when it mattered most", which is arguable, but when it matters most to us is inside the 10. I am heavily invested in Gurley - just not wearing the same rose colored glasses that some people seem to have been lucky enough to acquire. I wish I could find one of those guys in my leagues so that I could try to get something substantial back for him, but those glasses apparently were not handed out in any of my leagues.
He salvaged a disastrous day with a couple nice runs late. They count (thank goodness), but lets call this like it is...a huge disappointment for any realistic Gurley owner.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I love how McVay said Gurley wasn't on a snap count (before the game), then says in the interview they were counting his plays.
Gotta love McVay, LOL.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Seems like the only question is the arthritic knee / losing a step / decreased share (80% < 60%) vs shaking off the rust and he'll be fine. Nice to have M Brown be very capable. I think it would be time to offer a owner a lil nugget for Gurley in hopes he gets back in the swing and takes over 70%? I may offer Kerryon Johnson for him? It's close, but didn't like what I saw out of Johnson to open. I like that TE in Detroit. Gurley has got to be at least a high end RB #2, right? Or slip to Flex material at worst?-jb- said:
Jacksonke1
Footballguy
Hopefully no news about the knees is good news following the game.
But Gurley seemed a bit abrupt with his comments. Not sure what to make of that? Sick of being asked maybe or waiting to see how they feel?
But Gurley seemed a bit abrupt with his comments. Not sure what to make of that? Sick of being asked maybe or waiting to see how they feel?
dkp993
Footballguy
-jb-
Footballguy
I'm holding him. At this point, I would only look at a WR/RB trade offer to improve at WR...but obviously everyone's roster looks different.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Week 1 overreaction and week 1 underreaction are both major banes on fantasy owners.
The top 50, even top 10 has so much turnover from year to year. People that wait until the season is well under way before adjusting have already missed the boat.
We have to look at each individual situation, try and read between the lines and figure out whether panic selling Gurley at 2nd/3rd round startup value will be like getting out from a young Christian McCaffrey for another top 25 player, or getting out from a young Jay Ajayi for another top 25 player.
Todem
Footballguy
Very true. But when I watched him play in the second half and also look at the situation.....after week 1. I am not going to react to that. The fact was he looked very fresh, and ran with authority. He is not a RB1 bell cow per se. But a strong RB2 with RB1 like numbers some weeks.
If you are depending on him to be a Kamara, McCaffery or Barkley...then yes concern is very much warranted. So it all depends on where he is in your lineup. For me he is firmly a RB2 in my lineup. Hence my lack of concern. And I feel like there will be plenty of weeks he will be a top 3 back. I see upside...not downside with Gurley this year in redraft.
Dynasty is another story.
matuski
Footballguy
1) How did you achieve that roster?Benching him in a PPR league for Barkley, Chubb, Ekeler, and Kittle. Not off the bandwagon, per se, just have a lot of strong options.
I will say that there was a time when the idea of starting Ekeler or Kittle ahead of Gurley would have been viewed as.
2) Kittle over Gurley is a call I wouldn't make.
Tau837
Footballguy
Dynasty team built over time. Also have QBs Watson and Wilson and TE Kelce, but WRs are weak. Team has been a top 3 contender every season for several years, but no titles.
Agree Kittle vs. Gurley is a tough call, but Kittle just missed 2 TDs last week. FWIW, all 3 FBG projectors (Dodds, Bloom, Tremblay) have Kittle over Gurley.
dkp993
Footballguy
Josina Anderson field reporting from the Rams game today said that McVay told her the plan this year is for Gurley to get 65% of the work (Brown getting the other 35) and whomever is on the field to start the drive will get the GL carries for that drive.
This lines up with exactly what we saw in week 1. If this ends up being true all year Gurley will have a strong year (RB10-15).
This lines up with exactly what we saw in week 1. If this ends up being true all year Gurley will have a strong year (RB10-15).
If true that's relatively good news for Gurley owners. What about Henderson though, he's going to get 0 carries all year...
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Let’s direct our rage where it belongs - toward Jeff Fisher, who ran an historically awful offense that involved blindly running Gurley into 8-man fronts repeatedly for 2 seasons. That couldn’t have helped his knee health.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Best time to play him... 22 guys just trying to run the clock out.Gurley's arthritis is so bad they decided to give him five carries up 27-9 with only 5:43 left in the game against a team playing their backup QB.
They did? I thought Brown was in and Gurley was shown riding a bike and walking the sideline.Gurley's arthritis is so bad they decided to give him five carries up 27-9 with only 5:43 left in the game against a team playing their backup QB.
Yup Gurley closed it out:
Los Angeles Rams at 5:43 1-10-LA 11 (5:43) T.Gurley left tackle to LA 11 for no gain (T.Hendrickson). 2-10-LA 11 (4:57) T.Gurley left tackle to LA 20 for 9 yards (E.Apple). 3-1-LA 20 (4:15) T.Gurley left tackle to LA 26 for 6 yards (C.Gardner-Johnson). R20 1-10-LA 26 (3:30) T.Gurley right end to LA 27 for 1 yard (V.Bell, A.Klein). Timeout #1 by NO at 03:24. 2-9-LA 27 (3:24) J.Goff sacked at LA 19 for -8 yards (M.Davenport). 3-17-LA 19 (2:39) T.Gurley left guard to LA 21 for 2 yards (D.Onyemata; M.Davenport). Timeout #2 by NO at 02:35. 4-15-LA 21 (2:35) J.Hekker punts 66 yards to NO 13, Center-J.McQuaide. D.Harris to NO 22 f
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Do you want the SP to collectively say “you were right” just so you can stop litigating it in every single board conversation? I mean, maybe everyone would just agree to do that as a public service.Gurley's arthritis is so bad they decided to give him five carries up 27-9 with only 5:43 left in the game against a team playing their backup QB.
I wish I was like youGurley's arthritis is so bad they decided to give him five carries up 27-9 with only 5:43 left in the game against a team playing their backup QB.
Easily amused
VikingFrog
Footballguy
He’s RB 15 in non PPR with 100 yard bonuses. Right smack between Kamara at 14 and.... Malcolm Brown at 16.
My RB2 and RB3 are currently way over performing and I own Malcom Brown as a handcuff so I’m not complaining too much about my second round pick of Gurley. He seems to have a safe floor currently which is not exactly what you want out of your RB1. But I drafted him with the thought that he’d be a stud RB1 again even though I knew all the signs. He’s put up a bit over 11 points a game and I hope will continue to get better.
based on the established usage the first two games (65% of snaps, taking series off etc.) i dont see how you can project TG3 to be any higher than a low end RB1 or high end RB2. just looking last year at the top 10 RB's in my scoring format, the only part time RBs (i.e. a RB who has to share significant snaps) on that list was Kamara (who is historically efficient with his touches) and james white and he was RB8. every other RB was a full time or near full time RB..
pre-draft i let his past dominance (greed blinded me) get in the way of common sense (medicals) when i drafted him with the hopes of snagging a top 3 RB at the end of the 1st round. ideally, TG3 has a 2 td game this week and I can trade him for a player with a path to top 5 production. if you have elite RB production from another draft pick, then you can be thrilled with Gurley as a rock solid RB2 with upside each week.
pre-draft i let his past dominance (greed blinded me) get in the way of common sense (medicals) when i drafted him with the hopes of snagging a top 3 RB at the end of the 1st round. ideally, TG3 has a 2 td game this week and I can trade him for a player with a path to top 5 production. if you have elite RB production from another draft pick, then you can be thrilled with Gurley as a rock solid RB2 with upside each week.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Malcolm Brown listed as questionable at today’s practice.
I think this is the first time in a long while I’ve hope for an injury to the handcuff rather than vice versa.
I think this is the first time in a long while I’ve hope for an injury to the handcuff rather than vice versa.
rockaction
Footballguy
I hate to break it to you, but if a casual like me isn't giving anywhere but high second-round value, nobody at a high level is.
