Buffaloes
Footballguy
they should just let him play QB on that team. but he's not a former pat backup QB so he probably doesn't pass the 1st set of criteria
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DE J.J. Watt - Retired (1 Viewer)
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matttyl
Footballguy
Not sure about that. Maybe 2 years ago I posted a question here of what non-QB player means the most to his team in terms of wins and losses. I think Watt was in the top 3 on the list. I think Peterson was as well (prior to his off field stuff). Can you name a non-QB who currently means more to his team in terms of wins and losses?Jack White said:
Jack White
Footballguy
You just answered your own question.
As great as he is as an individual player, he has zero affect on wins and losses. The team is not winning, and the defense as a whole has been a train wreck.
matttyl
Footballguy
Who, Peterson? Yes, he does mean a lot to his team. Aside from him, though, what player in the NFL means more to his team in terms of wins and losses?
Last year Houston was 9-7 - with 3 (you could argue 4) different QBs. They were 24th in passing offense, and while they were 22nd in yards per rush (3.9 YPC) which they just happened to do a lot of. So how'd they win 9 games? The 20.5 sacks from Watt was a huge part of it.
FUBAR
Footballguy
zero affect. really? The rest of the team is bad. Without him, they might go winless.
If your argument is (and it seems it might be) "the Texans have a losing record, therefore Watt is doing nothing to help the team", how do you apply that to Phillip Rivers?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is kind of true by now isn't it. It doesn't get discussed much since he's not an offensive skill player but that does appear to be his status and holding...Bri said:
Then its a good thing that they didn't pay him QB money. The headline number may seem like a lot at $100M but his deal is very team friendly. Very little dead money or guarantees after the prime of his career years. Houston has a boatload of cap space next year as well.Jack White said:
dhockster
Footballguy
I think the monumental mistake was letting Rick Smith remain GM and bringing in Romeo Crennel as DC.Jack White said:
The Texans have 5 other 1st round picks on defense besides Watt: Mercilus, Clowney, Cushing, Jackson, and Johnson. They have have 3 defensive starters who were signed as Free Agents: James Joseph, Rahim Moore, Vince Wilfork. Wilfork and Moore have been busts. Cushing should have been cut several years ago, but Rick Smith signed him to a ridiculous extension which has forced the Texans to keep him. Clowney has potential but is looking like a china doll who can't stay healthy. Mercilus was also underperforming this year (after signing an extension in the off-season) until he got to fill in at Clowneys spot and he has been a pass rushing Juggernaut.
The one knock on Watt is that he likes to free lance, and at times that puts him out of position and forces other guys to have to try and make up for that. I think that is a valid criticism. but if Crennel can't find a way to have a great defense with someone like Watt as his cornerstone, then he really isn't much of a defensive coach. And outside of his time in New England (under Belichick) he really hasn't been that much of a defensive coach.
Faust
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Dezbelief
Footballguy
Yep, has a cast already, expected to play Sunday. I guess I'll start him.Edit- he's also been playing with a pulled groin.
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Borden
Footballguy
JJ Watt randomly shows up to pick up basketball games.
Zero fantasy or even football news but it's cool to see the good things players do.
Zero fantasy or even football news but it's cool to see the good things players do.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
even as a Titans fan, I'd hate to see Watt hang it up any time soon. The man is simply the best player in the league, probably this century - though Tom Brady makes a strong case.
dhockster
Footballguy
Jrodicus
Footballguy
dhockster
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
This needs a bump. Was reported yesterday before it hit the wire. Big kudos.Jrodicus said:
Jrodicus
Footballguy
wormburner
Footballguy
Got anything else for us before it hits the wire?Jrodicus said:
FUBAR
Footballguy
Yep. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this has on the Texans. But I'd bet a few QBs aren't sorry to see him out for a bit. He seems like one of the genuinely good guys in the game and he's one of the elite so the league is worse off without him playing.
matttyl
Footballguy
Wonderful scoop here. Was able to move him for DeVante Parker earlier this week before this news spread. It's a dynasty league so it may end up hurting me next year or later, but with the hits I've been taking at WR (Calvin retirement, Allen injury, Watkins injury, Floyd questionable) I had to do it.Jrodicus said:
matttyl
Footballguy
I believe it started as a herniated disc. Mike Golic (of Mike and Mike on ESPN radio) said when it first was news this preseason/offseason that he could end up "never being the same" even then. That news, along with his actually talking about possible retirement, and now this news last night of IR and maybe done for the season - I had to move him. He had a great run on my team, but it was time to move on.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
My understanding is there wasn't any sort of reinjuring that occurred but that it wasn't fully healed (and he tried to through it).
Jrodicus
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
2nd best in the division. But probably average in ff and overall. I wouldn't draft them, maybe a stream play.
Cushing is injured, Clowney has potential but isn't a difference maker yet. Maybe I'm underestimsting someone but they don't have impact guys other than watt.
