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RB/WR Ty Montgomery, NE (2 Viewers)

Sabertooth said:
hauser42 said:
Montgomery hopefully be the main return man in the near future. He has time to learn from Nelson and Cobb on being a NFL WR and be ready when their contracts are done to step in to replace one of them. Rumors were floated that he might be used out of the backfield on passing downs. Cobb was used at times in this role will will have to watch camp notes to see what Packers are saying.
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I don't think the players job is to get their replacements ready. I think the coaches will probably be in charge of teaching Montgomery how to play.
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To be fair, "learn from" can be "learn from watching," which is an opportunity I would expect any rookie behind all-pros like Cobb and Jordy to be exploiting. They don't have to be teaching their replacements explicitly to be setting an example that is instructive.

 
I see him as a different player than Jordy, Cobb or Adams. They haven't run reverses in maybe decades and haven't run Cobb out of the backfield much lately.

I think they drafted him to fill in holes, to do things their other players haven't done, and be a returner.

Time will tell how they use him but one scout called him a bigger Cobb after he was picked and see him on bubble screens, hand offs and short throws out of the backfield, but he could could replace Jordy eventually too.

I trust Thompson in picking wideouts and think they had a plan for him.

 
More:

http://gnb.247sports.com/Bolt/Five-knee-jerk-reactions-to-Day-5-of-Packers-training-camp-38555517/

1. Ty Montgomery's talent is undeniable: It's not as if Montgomery was a secret coming out of college, but at a Stanford program without an prolific passing game in 2014, he fell to the Packers in the third round.

Montgomery received ample playing time with the second-string offense on Tuesday, and based on his performance, the Packers aren't going to be able to afford keeping him off the first unit for long.

The Packers got the ball in the hands of Montgomery on a reverse, a smoke screen, and Scott Tolzien tossed him a touchdown pass in the corner of the end zone in team drills.

Everyone expected Montgomery to make an instant impact as a return specialist, but the way things are going, it's going to be difficult to keep him off the field on offense as well.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/21939/ty-montgomery-impresses-packers-on-and-off-the-field

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Sam Shields had a pretty good idea what Ty Montgomery could do after watching him the first three days of training camp. That didn't help Shields, the veteran Green Bay Packers veteran cornerback, one iota when he came face to face with the rookie receiver midway through Monday's practice.

The 6-foot, 216-pound Montgomery had just snagged a short pass from Scott Tolzien in the left flat and turned up the field. As Shields lined up for the tackle, Montgomery's hips shook, freezing the speedy cornerback in his tracks.

A second later, Montgomery crossed the goal line. Untouched.

"When he first got here, you could tell how quick he was," Shields said. "That move he did, I played the right leverage."

And then Shields smiled and shook his head, almost as if he were still in disbelief.

"But it was quick," he said.

Ty Montgomery has been a tough cover for Packers' defensive backs during the first days of training camp. Morry Gash/APSo far, the third-round pick has shown off his physical skills -- "strong, very powerful, obviously gifted," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said on Montgomery after the first full-pads practice on Saturday. But what only those behind the scenes at Lambeau Field have seen is how the 22-year-old from Stanford has prepared for moments like Monday.

"Taking away the athletic part of it, just his approach to understanding our playbook, asking questions, trying to be detailed as much as possible in a short amount of time," Packers receiver Jordy Nelson said. "He's not just worried about having a 15-yard puma [route] but knowing what he has to do within that.

"We give him a hard time that it must be the Stanford coming out of him, but I think it's the detail and the effort that he's putting in to understand that he's going to be part of this and that he needs to get going. Sometimes you see that more with some guys than with other guys, so it's great to see that. As an older guy you have appreciation for that because then you want to help him out and you understand that he's going to retain it and you see the impact."

So far none of the questions about his hands -- he had a few games in college with multiple drops -- have even been worth bringing up. He hasn't dropped a ball during a team or group drill so far in camp.

And then there's his versatility. Already in the first four days of camp, Montgomery has returned kickoffs, lined up at receiver, caught a shovel pass out of the backfield and run the ball on an end around. Montgomery scored three touchdowns in team drills on Monday -- the juke move against Shields, a post from Tolzien and a shovel pass from Matt Blanchard on a goal-line play. Shields went so far as to compare him to Percy Harvin.

If the rookie indoctrination process seems like it's going fast, that's news to Montgomery.

"To be honest, I've never seen anyone go through it before besides the guys that are here with me," Montgomery said. "So I can't tell you if I think I'm accelerating the process or how to do it, I just know that I'm just me. I ask a lot of questions. I've always been that way because I just want to make sure I understand everything and I want to understand why everything is the way it is. I think that makes anything easier when you start to understand why because you don't have to just memorize it."

Much of Montgomery's work so far has come with the second stringers. Snaps with the starters are tough to come by with Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb and Davante Adams -- the top-three receivers from last season -- all back and fully practicing with Aaron Rodgers.

But Rodgers, too, has noticed Montgomery.

Just don't give any of that Stanford business to Rodgers, who went to rival California.

"He's not maybe Cal smart -- I'm going to take shots at his school as much as I can -- but we're excited to have him," Rodgers said. "He's going to be a good player for us, we think, and the best thing is he's got a great attitude and a great approach."

Oh and those physical skills aren't bad, either.

"No, but everyone sees that," Nelson said. "Some people have that athleticism, but if you don't understand it and can't get it and don't have the trust of the quarterback, it doesn’t matter what you can do otherwise."
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He's not going to see the field this year. He's in a similar situation to what Cody Latimer was in last year. Plus he's doing all this against 2nd stringers for the most part.

 
Given his spot on the depth chart, may it be a smart move to sell at this point? I took him as a flier late in the draft thinking moderately high pick from a team with great success with WR's. Seems his value could be pretty high right now.

 
I don't know. I think he's going to have a tough time getting reps. He's certainly not going to bump Cobb or Nelson. He might kill Adams' value though. And Richard Rodgers.

 
Grahamburn said:
Janis or this kid?
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I'm betting on Montgomery after the first month. Everything that's been reported has been Montgomery has been impressive and Janis hasn't taken any positive strides during training camp. I suspect he will get more and more reps with each week.

I think the Janis stuff is basically everyone saying "hur dur, let's replace a white guy with another white guy!"

 
bigmarc27 said:
Grahamburn said:
Janis or this kid?
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I'm betting on Montgomery after the first month. Everything that's been reported has been Montgomery has been impressive and Janis hasn't taken any positive strides during training camp. I suspect he will get more and more reps with each week. I think the Janis stuff is basically everyone saying "hur dur, let's replace a white guy with another white guy!"
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I honestly didn't know he was white until just now
 
bigmarc27 said:
Grahamburn said:
Janis or this kid?
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I'm betting on Montgomery after the first month. Everything that's been reported has been Montgomery has been impressive and Janis hasn't taken any positive strides during training camp. I suspect he will get more and more reps with each week.

I think the Janis stuff is basically everyone saying "hur dur, let's replace a white guy with another white guy!"
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I thought most were looking at the depth chart and saying next guy up. Who would have known there was racial motivation?

 
Warhogs said:
bigmarc27 said:
Grahamburn said:
Janis or this kid?
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I'm betting on Montgomery after the first month. Everything that's been reported has been Montgomery has been impressive and Janis hasn't taken any positive strides during training camp. I suspect he will get more and more reps with each week.I think the Janis stuff is basically everyone saying "hur dur, let's replace a white guy with another white guy!"
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I thought most were looking at the depth chart and saying next guy up. Who would have known there was racial motivation?
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He's next guy up on a depth chart against a rookie in the preseason. I haven't seen any praise of Janis at all. I've got both in my dynasty so it doesn't matter to me, but I don't get how rotoworld says how much Janis has sucked, and then say pick him up because he's going to start. It's lazy.

 
Depth chart has Janis behind Adams and Montgomery and Myles White behind Cobb.

White hasn't been good lately but unless Abrederris gets on the field should make the team.

 
Rotoworld:

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel expects third-round pick Ty Montgomery to take over as the Packers' third receiver after Jordy Nelson's ACL tear.

Jeff Janis was Nelson's immediate replacement on the outside in Sunday's preseason game, but the Journal-Sentinel apparently believes Montgomery is ahead of him on the depth chart. Beat reporter Tom Silverstein writes he expects Janis to compete with Myles White and a host of others for the final few game-day roster spots. Montgomery and Janis should really be a camp battle for the rest of August and early September. Both should get a ton of snaps in the remaining exhibition games.

Related: Jeff Janis

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

Aug 24 - 5:43 PM
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Looks like Montgomery has won the Punt return job, and now may be worked into the offence a lot quicker. Hopefully he is up for the earlier than expected opportunity.

 
Ty Montgomery was operating as the Packers' No. 3 receiver in Tuesday's practice.

With the Packers in a three-wide set, Montgomery lined up opposite Davante Adams while Randall Cobb manned the slot. It confirms Montgomery is getting the first crack to replace Jordy Nelson over Jeff Janis. Although Janis is a favorite of the Twitter metrics crowd, the Packers believe he's too inconsistent for a bigger role on offense. Janis could theoretically still overtake Montgomery with strong performances in Green Bay's final two preseason games, but a third-round pick, Montgomery is getting the benefit of the doubt. Aug 25 - 2:48 PM

Source: Rob Demovsky on Twitter

 
For my money, I'd rather have the guy built like a WR than the guy built like a RB.

I've been down this road with Boyce before and I'll pass on Montgomery. I get that Montgomery got his name tossed around more because he has a function of value on special teams but when they start playing football, Rodgers will prefer the guy built like Andre Johnson over the guy built like a shorter Arian Foster. Neither of these guys will ever be described as electric after the catch so they can at least use the guy that can play the part in the Red zone.

Overall, I'm not excited about spending too much time and effort on either.

 
Grahamburn said:
Twitter metrics crowd?
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You know, those guys that actually point out that one of these guys is 6'3 and looks like a WR and the other looks like a RB that plays ST.

I would say I'm one of those guys but I don't think I've said a word about either guy on Twitter.

 
Grahamburn said:
Overall, I'm not excited about spending too much time and effort on either.
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If this kid is getting Jordy Nelson's reps on an offense led by Aaron Rodgers we should pay attention.
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If flies had machine guns, frogs wouldn't f$$k with them. Neither of our statements is true. Lining up in a guy's spot in practice is not "replacing" him when it counts.

Be realistic: Rodgers has Lacy and Cobb and the talk about Adams has been where the buzz has been about growing roles. R. Rodgers some too. Montgomery's main source of having his name tossed around has been in his ST contributions. If he were good enough to replace Jordy already, he would already be the #3.

 
Shutout said:
For my money, I'd rather have the guy built like a WR than the guy built like a RB.

I've been down this road with Boyce before and I'll pass on Montgomery. I get that Montgomery got his name tossed around more because he has a function of value on special teams but when they start playing football, Rodgers will prefer the guy built like Andre Johnson over the guy built like a shorter Arian Foster. Neither of these guys will ever be described as electric after the catch so they can at least use the guy that can play the part in the Red zone.

Overall, I'm not excited about spending too much time and effort on either.
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I hear what you're saying here and actually do believe that Janis holds the edge for more value this season than Montgomery does. But I also don't think it's fair to write Montgomery off as a guy "built like a RB" in comparison to Janis being built like a WR.

Montgomery is 3 inches shorter than Janis but also had a vertical 3 inches higher (37 v. 40 inches). Janis is definitely more explosive off the line but I think Montgomery's strength could benefit him in fighting off jams and winning contested balls. Not to mention, he was a 3rd round pick when WR wasn't at all a clear need.

Again, I personally feel Janis is the better play here this season but I'm not at all ready to write Montgomery off. Will be a very interesting couple of weeks as we watch it all play out.

 
Packers fan here... don't buy the janis hype. He is extremely stiff, not good in and out of breaks, and has way too inconsistent hands in my opinion. He might catch the 65 yard td off of play action but week in and week out, montgomery will get more looks and be the better play. After Richard Rodgers who I am targeting in ALL leagues as the new #3 weapon.

 
Shutout said:
For my money, I'd rather have the guy built like a WR than the guy built like a RB.

I've been down this road with Boyce before and I'll pass on Montgomery. I get that Montgomery got his name tossed around more because he has a function of value on special teams but when they start playing football, Rodgers will prefer the guy built like Andre Johnson over the guy built like a shorter Arian Foster. Neither of these guys will ever be described as electric after the catch so they can at least use the guy that can play the part in the Red zone.

Overall, I'm not excited about spending too much time and effort on either.
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Montgomery is listed as 6'0" and 216 lbs. Arian Foster is 6'1" and 227 lbs.Montgomery seems like a closer physical compare for Anquan Boldin, who is listed at 6'1" and 220 lbs.

Would any of us really mind if Montgomery had the same physical stature - or a similar one - to Boldin?

 
His build is not exclusively that of a rb but even at the combine he was tested as both a wr and an rb. If I recall, he was regarded more favorably as a rb if I recall correctly

 
Montgomery really doesn't look or run like a RB. He is top-heavy and tapered like a WR.

Here is quote from a story about his pro day:

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/03/20/cardinal-standouts-shine-at-stanfords-nfl-pro-day/

After an underwhelming performance at the NFL Combine, wide receiver Ty Montgomery was one of the standouts in the outdoor workouts: He ran a 4.38-second 40-yard dash on Thursday compared to his 4.55 time in Indianapolis. He accounted his success to dropping 10 pounds since the Combine almost exactly a month ago — he weighed in at 211 pounds on Pro Day.
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5' 11 7'8" and 211 pounds would put him at a 28.7 BMI. For the sake of comparison:

Andre Johnson - 29.5

Dez Bryant - 28.9

Anquan Boldin - 28.8

Vincent Jackson - 28.8

Ty Montgomery - 28.7

Larry Fitzgerald - 28.2

Sammy Watkins - 28.0

So assuming that Montgomery can stay near that weight, it would actually be a great size for him. It's a conventional height/weight ratio for a big and strong WR. At a shade under 6' he lacks the height that most of these guys possess, but all the same I don't think it's accurate to characterize him as a RB playing WR. I watched basically his entire college career and never felt that he was anything other than a WR. I don't think he's as talented as these other guys, but in terms of body type I see him as more Boldin/Andre Johnson than Arian Foster.

 
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Torn between Janis and Montgomery al week heading to waivers. Info in this thread convinced me to put my chips on Monty. I hope it's good Intel.

 
Pack used to have all those receivers... Driver, Cobb, Nelson, Jones, Finley.... lots of targets and points to spread around.

Cobb -? Adams...then what. Just estimate the points for this year. Ty has to figure in.

 
Rotoworld:

Ty Montgomery caught two passes for 71 yards in Saturday's preseason game.

Montgomery started over Jeff Janis in three-wide sets. He played into the third quarter, but made a 52-yard catch against the Eagles first-team defense. With Randall Cobb leaving early with a shoulder injury, there's potential for Montgomery to have a big early-season role. Montgomery has four catches for 99 yards through three preseason games.

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Had a live auction draft ongoing while the game was on today. The play after Cobb left the game, I nominated Ty, landed him for 1.6% of my budget :pics:

 
He definitely has upside in this offense. But to be fair he lost the handle on a kick return and had an ugly drop on a perfect pass from Hundley. Jeff Janis and Miles White played just as well as Montgemery in this game. He has not run away with the WR3 job just yet.

 
Rotoworld:

Third-round pick Ty Montgomery is still considered to have the "upper hand" for Green Bay's No. 3 receiver job.

Playing outside at Z receiver, Montgomery is coming off a third preseason game where he posted a 2-71 receiving line working in three-wide sets alongside Randall Cobb and Davante Adams. Montgomery is very clearly ahead of Jeff Janis, who "hasn't fully won over" Aaron Rodgers. Montgomery is a worthy late-round flyer in re-draft leagues, with an up arrow on his Dynasty value.

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

Sep 2 - 6:33 PM
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Let's get serious. What are we now doing with this guy in redraft? The James Jones signing really deflated my 2015 Ty Montgomery esteem balloon. Even in a return yardage league, I'm having trouble now justifying his roster spot.

What are the rest of you doing/thinking in response to the JJ addition?

 
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LawFitz said:
Let's get serious. What are we now doing with this guy in redraft? The James Jones signing really deflated my 2015 Ty Montgomery esteem balloon. Even in a return yardage league, I'm having trouble now justifying his roster spot.

What are the rest of you doing/thinking in response to the JJ addition?
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Do you want positive, Truth, or Negative..

Seriously its close to anyone's guess..

Prior to Jones return.. I had spoken w/ some guys who are Packer Fans. They seemed to not want to have none of this Ty chat...But, were sorta mentioning Janis too.

Could Jones close his eyes and run through the playbook? Maybe. However Coachs may not only like having a Veteran in the mix, but they could also get sick from some random Drop. "That's why we let him go, COACH,,,,"

Now I honestly cant provide any true feedback on Ty's level of knowledge. I would almost venture to guess that he could play Cobbs role, even though I liked the idea of his running Go -routes..

When its all said n done, I still think Ty could see plays when n IF GB puts five WR's on the field. It might be nice for a game your expecting lotta scoring/return yards..

p.s. Im thinking were talkin WR's w/ return yds. Is Mariani already rostered. Id keep an eye on Twitter for some team signing Josh Lenz too

 
The Jones signing keeps him irrelevant for redraft purposes, but I like what I'm seeing from a dynasty standpoint. I ended up with him on A LOT of my dynasty teams because nobody else wanted him in my rookie drafts and he would always fall really far. To me he was only worth a random 3rd round rookie pick in most formats back in May, but based on the buzz and what he has shown since then I would feel fine giving up a late 2nd for him. Jordy is getting old and Jones is a temporary solution, so the hope is that he'll show enough in the next year or two to make GB feel comfortable with him, Cobb, and Adams as their top 3. If they spend a high pick on the position in the next year or two then the outlook won't look quite so good though.

 
EBF said:
The Jones signing keeps him irrelevant for redraft purposes, but I like what I'm seeing from a dynasty standpoint. I ended up with him on A LOT of my dynasty teams because nobody else wanted him in my rookie drafts and he would always fall really far. To me he was only worth a random 3rd round rookie pick in most formats back in May, but based on the buzz and what he has shown since then I would feel fine giving up a late 2nd for him. Jordy is getting old and Jones is a temporary solution, so the hope is that he'll show enough in the next year or two to make GB feel comfortable with him, Cobb, and Adams as their top 3. If they spend a high pick on the position in the next year or two then the outlook won't look quite so good though.
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Agreed. They took him to take some of the responsibilities away from Cobb, so Cobb can focus on WR full time. Now returns and gadgets can go to Montgomery. He's built for it. I think he can play a style similar to Boldin once he gets some experience.

 
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