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QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (4 Viewers)
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The Frankman
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Y! Sports Read and React, Can Anyone Stop Lamar Jackson? - By Jay Hart
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The Frankman
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The_Man
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Over his last 9 regular season games, Lamar now has a passer rating of 133.1
That includes a 28-1 TD to INT ratio, and a 70.6 completion percentage (149 of 211 for 1,752 yards)
The only two QBs to ever post a passer rating of over 120 for a full season are Rodgers (122.5 in 2011) and Manning (121.1 in 2004)
He also has 675 yards rushing and 4 TDs during that span
It's impossible to know how long it will last, but Lamar during the last half of 2019 and now the start of 2020 is playing QB at a historic level. At the age of 23. And there's still debate about whether he's really good or not.
That includes a 28-1 TD to INT ratio, and a 70.6 completion percentage (149 of 211 for 1,752 yards)
The only two QBs to ever post a passer rating of over 120 for a full season are Rodgers (122.5 in 2011) and Manning (121.1 in 2004)
He also has 675 yards rushing and 4 TDs during that span
It's impossible to know how long it will last, but Lamar during the last half of 2019 and now the start of 2020 is playing QB at a historic level. At the age of 23. And there's still debate about whether he's really good or not.
Ghost Rider
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There is?? The only criticism I still see of him is that his play hasn't been great in the playoffs thus far, which is more than fair. Aside from that, everyone at this point knows he's really good.
The_Man
Footballguy
Well here you go - not a talented arm. But somehow a 133.1 passer rating for more than half a season
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Saying he doesn't have a "very talented arm" is not really a criticism.
But I take back what I said earlier: another criticism I have seen of him is that he doesn't play well from behind, and that one seems to be fair as well. And I am not talking falling behind 3-0 in the first quarter.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
That's fine.
I'll give him a pass for the SD game two years ago. They were building that offense on the fly and Jackson was still getting his feet wet.
Last year against the Titans, though, was a failure. Some of that's on Jackson, who got frustrated when things didn't go well and went Hero Ball (& accounted for 500 yds of offense). I also think Roman panicked.
Right or wrong, QBs are judged on winning big games. Lamar has won a bunch of them regular season, but he needs some wins in the postseason.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed. He is a stud thus far, there is no other way to say it. But, for whatever reasons, he didn't play well in either playoff game so far. I thought the whole team looked out of sorts in the playoff loss to the Titans, not just Jackson, but we all know the deal: the QB always gets too much credit when a team wins and too much blame when a team loses.
Uruk-Hai
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The Titans smacked the Ravens in the mouth and the Ravens blinked (& kept blinking all the way out of the playoffs).
Yesterday, Cleveland absolutely stifled Baltimore's run game just as Tennessee did. The big difference was that Jackson didn't let it bother him. He made some unbelievable passes; his most errant, in the first half, was the TD to Andrews. Those two drives to end the half (&, basically, the game) were gorgeous quarterbacking. Our little guy is growing up.
massraider
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His playoff performance needs to improve. He's 23 years old, what's taking so long???
And LOL at everyone agrees he's good. The ones that don't think so are just avoiding this thread now, don't kid yourself.
And LOL at everyone agrees he's good. The ones that don't think so are just avoiding this thread now, don't kid yourself.
CalBear
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The_Man
Footballguy
Lamar's record as a starting NFL QB
0-2 in the playoffs
0-2 vs KC
21-1 vs everyone else (Lost Week 4 last year vs Cleveland)
It feels like the Ravens are on their way to another 11+ wins this year. At this point, the only individual games this season that really matter for judging Lamar are vs KC on MNF in 2 weeks and then the playoffs
Buck Bradcanon
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massraider
Footballguy
Those games are judgments on the coaches as well. They need to slow KC down. I know you're a Lamar fan so this isn't directed at you:
Every BIG GAME Jackson plays is not some referendum on his future simply because you were wrong about him 2 years ago.
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Synthesizer
Footballguy
Just a reminder that Jackson is 23 years old. Here are the other 23-year-old starting QBs. None of them have made the playoffs yet so their playoff record is 0-0.
Joe Burrow
Drew Lock
Daniel Jones
Sam Darnold
Kyler Murray
Dwayne Haskins
Joe Burrow
Drew Lock
Daniel Jones
Sam Darnold
Kyler Murray
Dwayne Haskins
The Frankman
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WHAT? Under 20 FP from Jackson? What a bum. Washed. Cooked. Gloried wildcat WR. Bad attitude. Arrogant. Thug. May have impregnated an alien teen with a baby and left her without child support.
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massraider
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The Frankman
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Buck Bradcanon
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Brutal.
Do you guys view this as a one game blip or cause for concern for the rest of the season? I mean that was bad.
Do you guys view this as a one game blip or cause for concern for the rest of the season? I mean that was bad.
habsfan
Footballguy
When you can easily correlate these blips to "big game" situations, it's hard to argue he didn't melt under the lights. I guess the answer to the concern question is different if it's fantasy focused or real football focused. Fantasy wise, I expect they go back to boot stomping inferior opponents.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Blip.
They got behind two scores and went away from their gameplan. Monday was the first time they trailed all season.
Now, if the opposing offense is good enough to get ahead like that and the D is good enough it's likely you can force Baltimore into that situation again, but what teams can do that? The Superbowl champs can and did, but not many teams have that type of firepower/play-calling to do that to Baltimore.
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Dizzy
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Wishing for "blip" but nervous that it may continue (Jackson is my QB for reference)...
* Comparing Jackson to 2019 Jackson, that's two stinkers in a row... hence the concern. Almost seems impossible in today's NFL to throw for <100 yds.
* I believe this makes BAL 0-5 in games where they have trailed by 10 pts (Jackson era). That's not a massive deficit to overcome these days, so clearly there is a trend where "if you get up on them... stick a fork in them"
* The lack of go-to WR was glaring last night. We could be seeing McNabb/Eagles in the pre-TO era.
* Jackson's deep ball is still a frozen rope. As Griese pointed out last light, the more air you put under it, the better chance the WR has to adjust to it.
* Defensive coordinators are really good at adjusting during the off-season. Also, very good at copying one another. If there is a anti-Jackson formula out there... we'll find out shortly... maybe as soon as next week.
* Post game interviews were disturbing in that they were still focused on, and comparing themselves to the Chiefs. FORGET ABOUT THE CHIEFS... should be completely focused on winning the division. Steelers defense is no joke and already a game behind them.
If thy blow out WAS next week and Jackson puts up 30 fantasy points I will happily eat crow. If it's 20-16 and he's in the teens again... well... 'nuff said.
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Stinkin Ref
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I'd take Wilson and Mahomes over him ....he clearly doesn't have it "all"....lots of work to do still.....might need to pump the brakes here a little.....lol
cloppbeast
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I would say the blueprint has already been laid out and every team knows what it is. Jackson is not a great prototypical quarterback, maybe not even a good NFL passer at all. His success through the air is predicated from defenses addressing the run. So it's pretty simple to me, a team only needs to remove the rushing element of the offense forcing Jackson to throw the ball like a normal quarterback.
I think this is easier said than done, evidenced by the fact so few teams have done it.
Milkman
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Milkman
Footballguy
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. As teams get a better idea how to defend this offense.....seeing what has worked in the past.....it could get tough for Lamar.
In his defense he had some guys drop some passes that should have been caught.
When he stops running though the bottom is going to fall out.
In his defense he had some guys drop some passes that should have been caught.
When he stops running though the bottom is going to fall out.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
This is the dilemma of all these run first QBs....
It's wonderful to be mobile and keep defenses off but in every big game there will come a time that a great pass is needed. Even for the Mannings, Bradys, and Montanas of the world, this is a extremely difficult thing to do. Now you want to rely on a guy who isn't a naturally gifted passer to make a tough throw?
And PLEASE for the love of god miss me with all the passing stats for these run first clownshows. Sure you can hit the WIDE open TE and crossing WRs after youve faked the handoff and are luring the defense in with your feet.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Yup. These guys all have about a 2-5 year window, then theyre toast. By the time and IF they ever develop as passers they have already be run through the ringer and they dont have much left.
All the years they have been able to bail themselves out with their feet was at the detriment of their development as passers.
Milkman
Footballguy
This is exactly what is happening. These throwing windows are wide open because of the threat of the run. Once that threat of running is gone those windows get a lot smaller and only the great arm talents of the NFL can consistently make those throws.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
These wide open receivers are a product of Lamar though. You're giving him enough credit. We haven't seen many quarterbacks in the NFL like him - ones that are among the best runners in the NFL. He's basically a running back who can throw the ball pretty well. Combined with the Ravens accommodating his unique abilities and he's a hard player to defend. It's not easy to stop them from running the football. Defenses have to put a lot of effort into it, leading to open receivers, mostly tight ends.
When the Ravens fall behind, of course that's a problem.
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CalBear
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Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Wilson has always been a pass-first QB (in his NFL career). Eyes are always looking downfield even when he approaches the line.
CalBear
Footballguy
Really, are you going to make me dig up these exact arguments from threads early in Wilson's career?
Wilson was top-3 in rushing attempts by QBs for the first four years of his career, leading the league in 2014 with 118/849/6 on the ground.
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