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Iād probably just put that guy on my ādo not trade withā list.ĀYeah I tried moving him for 1.01 in an FFPC league (to a team that is not rebuilding or anything) and he countered with 1.07/Hopkins for 1.01
Iād probably just put that guy on my ādo not trade withā list.ĀYeah I tried moving him for 1.01 in an FFPC league (to a team that is not rebuilding or anything) and he countered with 1.07/Hopkins for 1.01
There is a dichotomy (or is it schizophrenia?) about high draft picks, isn't there?Yeah I tried moving him for 1.01 in an FFPC league (to a team that is not rebuilding or anything) and he countered with 1.07/Hopkins for 1.01
Why?Ā Seems like other owners with differing values on players are exactly who you should be looking to trade with.ĀIād probably just put that guy on my ādo not trade withā list.Ā
Because I donāt have the energy to negotiate with someone when their opening offer is 1.06/Hopkins for 1.01.ĀWhy?Ā Seems like other owners with differing values on players are exactly who you should be looking to trade with.Ā
I can see that. He's already putting you in sort of a losing situation if you're thinking about reaching a center point between the two. That's a lot to ask.Because I donāt have the energy to negotiate with someone when their opening offer is 1.06/Hopkins for 1.01.Ā
I think Chubb is the better runner, probably the best in the league. But he's never going to catch a lot of balls so that caps his upside.I have Nick Chubb on one championship and two rebuilding Zealots leagues. I think he's a better back than Dalvin Cook and might even think he's the best back in the league.
But it appears I'm on an island with that. In the rebuilding leagues I know I wouldn't get what I'd expect to in ac trade return - a couple high picks/players.
Do people really fear Kareem Hunt stealing touches that much? I just think Hunt is inordinately productive for a #2 back and doesn't really take anything from Chubb.
So what is he worth in trade?
99% of the time they don't have different values, they're just looking to rob somebody. Not worth the energy for me to deal with people like that.ĀWhy?Ā Seems like other owners with differing values on players are exactly who you should be looking to trade with.Ā
Or they initiate trade talks but make you drive the process.99% of the time they don't have different values, they're just looking to rob somebody. Not worth the energy for me to deal with people like that.Ā
He's not McCaffrey, but he caught 36 in 2019. That's not nothing.I think Chubb is the better runner, probably the best in the league. But he's never going to catch a lot of balls so that caps his upside.
For sure. I like Chubb a lot but I watched him drop 3 balls in the playoff game. Really easy balls. I have him ranked pretty high but I understand why others don't.ĀHe's not McCaffrey, but he caught 36 in 2019. That's not nothing.
Chubb's 25, so he's beginning the downswing of his career, really. He's still probably worth the 1.01+ in this draft, though as you said upthread, people are psychotic in their dichotomy about that. He's the best pure runner in the league, alongside Dobbins, in my opinion. But he has Hunt and his own contributions in the passing game to worry about. I don't know what that means, but that's where I've got him.I have Nick Chubb on one championship and two rebuilding Zealots leagues. I think he's a better back than Dalvin Cook and might even think he's the best back in the league.
But it appears I'm on an island with that. In the rebuilding leagues I know I wouldn't get what I'd expect to in ac trade return - a couple high picks/players.
Do people really fear Kareem Hunt stealing touches that much? I just think Hunt is inordinately productive for a #2 back and doesn't really take anything from Chubb.
So what is he worth in trade?
I'm with you on Hopkins. Adding to your astute evaluation, I think his situation dictates a little more downgrade. Kyler will get his rushing TDs, most of which will come from red zone offense. If he were playing with more of a pocket passer, I'd hold him. As is, I'm actively pursuing trades.ĀHe'll be 29, at a position other then QB in one start QB leagues is the deepest in fantasy and getting deeper. He's at an age that basically no matter what kind of season he realistically could put up he's an annually declining asset. If you are paying for him now at his age I'd have to think it only makes sense if you are in win now mode and as good as he was last year it was not some type of 2019 Thomas or Davante Adams stuff from last year. Typically 18-19 PPG WR's are not changing the dynamic of a league.
It seems to me the best time to move him would be in-season to a team that is contending but believes that rock solid WR1 is what they lack. Right now most people see WR's all over and think they can get what they need, some will, but generally someone will need someone like Hopkins to help them think they can get over the hump. Obvious problem with this is you don't get a pick until 2022Ā and if you are picking up another teams picks that views them as a contender, and not another pick they own, that's not very exciting about cashing him out for a later first.
I'd for sure value 1.2 over him now but I'd not be afraid to hold him into the season either if I did not get what I wanted. I think of a league I was in last year and this guy did a masterful job with his team. He won the league in 2019, then about a week or two into the season just started trading away a chunk of his team. Got a bunch of 2021 firsts and some good young players, I hate to say Justin Jefferson from me. Then during the season he started buying up players like J Taylor and Dobbins with the 2021 picks after they got off to a slow start. I bring this up to point out that just if getting a good 2021 pick for Hopkins is your goal, even if you hold him into the season, it just might mean you can buy some of the 2021 players you like a little cheaper if they don't start out with a bang.
Wrong thread? I think we were just talking about this is another thread. If it's not the wrong thread, count me among those who don't mind FFPC in here, either. Some of our better posters play it, and it's good to hear. Plus, you sort of know the deal after a while of reading it and it becomes interesting. I might give it a whirl in a few years. Maybe.I don't mind FFPC stuff in here.
Of course, I wouldn't mind Assistant Coach questions in here either so....
Oops. Yeah, wrong thread. Asst Coach stuff should be allowed in the Dynasty Trade thread.Wrong thread? I think we were just talking about this is another thread. If it's not the wrong thread, count me among those who don't mind FFPC in here, either. Some of our better posters play it, and it's good to hear. Plus, you sort of know the deal after a while of reading it and it becomes interesting. I might give it a whirl in a few years. Maybe.
drives me up the wallOr they initiate trade talks but make you drive the process.
Team 1: "I'm willing to trade away this."
Team 2: "Okay, how about this."Ā
Team 1: "No." (no counter)
Team 2: "Okay, how about THIS?"Ā
Team 1: "No." (no counter)
Dude, I'm not going to send you twenty seven offers until I thread the needle you've set up. I've given you an idea of what I'm willing to offer, now tell me what you're looking for!
Only if that difference is in your favor. If it isn't it is just laborious, tedious and ultimately rarely fruitful to try and get anywhere with. I'll say this, though. Those owners who you can't seem to get anything done with because you're too far apart on prices *are* the ones that eventually will surprise you because they hate some player that you like. So I do agree you should at least keep them on your radar. But it is almost impossible to know when that might happen. And if they happen to be a "must win all trades" kind of person then forget about it.Why?Ā Seems like other owners with differing values on players are exactly who you should be looking to trade with.Ā
What if it was Hopkins/1.06 for 1.01 plus a future 1st (or some equivalent level of value)? Is that too big of negotiation bump to warrant a counter (if not an official counter in the system, a feeler question to the owner)?ĀBecause I donāt have the energy to negotiate with someone when their opening offer is 1.06/Hopkins for 1.01.Ā
Yeah I'm not above robbery, but it just isn't something I'm looking for. If it happens it happens. I am sooooo willing to let myself get robbed, or to make my partner think he is robbing me, if I get a deal that I think helps my team. And I have often made deals that other owners have complained to me about in terms of having greatly helped my opponent. Yet my teams keep improving and winning. Yeah there are some owners that will not do a trade, and have even said so, unless they think they are winning it.99% of the time they don't have different values, they're just looking to rob somebody. Not worth the energy for me to deal with people like that.Ā
Do people really fear Kareem Hunt stealing touches that much?
He's not McCaffrey, but he caught 36 in 2019. That's not nothing.
Well for the record it was 1.07Because I donāt have the energy to negotiate with someone when their opening offer is 1.06/Hopkins for 1.01.Ā
I think Hopkins and the seven pick is a legit offer for najee. In comparison i was offered the one pick for my aiyuk diontae and the ten pick. I donāt have much depth at wr besides those two and mclaurin and Dj Moore. We Start two to four wrs also. So makes it hard for me to pull the trigger since I wonāt be picking again until pick thirty.ĀWell for the record it was 1.07
And I would consider trading Hopkins plus 1.07 for 1.01 in the right situation - for instance if I love the rookie at 1.01 and I'm relativelyĀ indifferent between what's there at 1.07 and my 2nd round pick ( or if i have extra picks etc.).
Long winded way of saying it didn't seem so bad to me and I could work with that guy.Ā
You should get more than a top five pick for him. He's above the 1.01 right now.Iām also going to try to move Hopkins when my league unlocks rosters. I think heās still got plenty of value to a win-now team. Heās about to turn 29 (June) which makes him less attractive long-term, but for a WR-needy team heās still got value.Ā
I do think heās got a chance to improve on his 2020 numbers after the year of experience working with Murray & the new offense. He hardly looks like he lost a step.Ā
Iām probably looking for players more than picks, but if I were offered a top 5 pick for him Iād have a hard time saying no.Ā
Iāll put him on the block and see what happens.
I'm glad you said this as I did not think it was that egregious either, more IMO what I would describe as aĀ little rich to pay for 1.1 then something really awful. I personally think a later first with Hopkins is just about right but at the moment I have a tier cutoff at 7 and while I know that may not hold I'm going to hold that line until it's not the case.I think Hopkins and the seven pick is a legit offer for najee.
Oh man he just upped it to include a future 2nd and 3.06. He is the one I sold the package to move up to 1.03 for. I think he thought he was offering me something outlandish that I wouldn't accept, and then I did and now he doesn't have 1.03 anymore and is panicking.ĀIn the same FFPC SF I just posted about in the trades thread as having 33 trades since Jan 1st. I just turned down an offer of my Mahomes for his Mayfield, two 2022 1sts, 2.10
FWIW
Being the best NFL RB (which i think Chubb is in the conversation for) is different than being the best FF RB.Ā Chubb's usage is what holds him back for FF purposes.Ā He loses TD's and 3 down work which is a great benefit to the Browns for keeping him healthy and fresh.Ā It just doesn't help his fantasy outlook.I have Nick Chubb on one championship and two rebuilding Zealots leagues. I think he's a better back than Dalvin Cook and might even think he's the best back in the league.
But it appears I'm on an island with that. In the rebuilding leagues I know I wouldn't get what I'd expect to in ac trade return - a couple high picks/players.
Do people really fear Kareem Hunt stealing touches that much? I just think Hunt is inordinately productive for a #2 back and doesn't really take anything from Chubb.
So what is he worth in trade?
Yeah I rejected without a note but sent a different small offer for later draft picks swaps and mentioned it again. I wouldn't have made a big deal to get to 1.03 to take my team in a completely different direction after that.I think you can just reply with your rejection saying that the offer is plenty fair, but you will not trade Mahomes for anything.Ā
Except that he scored the 4th most TDs while missing four games. And was still top 15 in carries.Being the best NFL RB (which i think Chubb is in the conversation for) is different than being the best FF RB.Ā Chubb's usage is what holds him back for FF purposes.Ā He loses TD's and 3 down work which is a great benefit to the Browns for keeping him healthy and fresh.Ā It just doesn't help his fantasy outlook.
I agree that he is still a top 12ish RB and have no problem with that production.Ā The perception of his production is what limits his return value in trade scenarios, and he would beĀ in contention for RB1 overall if Hunt wasn't there.Except that he scored the 4th most TDs while missing four games. And was still top 15 in carries.
I guess I'm content with keeping him on a roster. I think people analyze him all wrong.Ā
Hunt is not a threat. He's there to keep ChubbĀ fresh. I'm riding him through '21 and hope his '22 doesn't take his value. I won't think about moving him til that time.ĀI have Nick Chubb on one championship and two rebuilding Zealots leagues. I think he's a better back than Dalvin Cook and might even think he's the best back in the league.
But it appears I'm on an island with that. In the rebuilding leagues I know I wouldn't get what I'd expect to in ac trade return - a couple high picks/players.
Do people really fear Kareem Hunt stealing touches that much? I just think Hunt is inordinately productive for a #2 back and doesn't really take anything from Chubb.
So what is he worth in trade?
Sorry, meant to type pick+player.You should get more than a top five pick for him. He's above the 1.01 right now.
As a Mahomes ownerĀ in a superflex league he is borderlineĀ untouchable, unless an offer completely knocked my socks off. I feel like anyone trading me for Mahomes needs to overpay. Barring injury, he is the most valuable Dynasty asset for at least the foreseeableĀ future.In the same FFPC SF I just posted about in the trades thread as having 33 trades since Jan 1st. I just turned down an offer of my Mahomes for his Mayfield, two 2022 1sts, 2.10
FWIW
yepI'm not trying to drive the price up. He is genuinely untouchable for me in SF. I'm defending champ and just paid a haul to move to 1.03 to take a top rookie RB, not a QB.
Yeah I don't know. I think there are some other elite options at QB that would probably get me to consider something like this. I think I agree the dropoff is psychological and worth exploring. But for me, in addition to being capable of things I've never seen anyone else do before, Mahomes also has Hill and Kelce for at least a few more years and KC is bound to continue to bring in playmakers throughout his career. I still think CEH is a stud. The upside of that offense serves as a tiebreaker of it's own, even though there isn't a tie in the first place. But I do think chunking him out for pieces makes sense if you aren't in a position to win now. I also think people underestimate how good their teams can be ~8 months from now.As a Mahomes ownerĀ in a superflex league he is borderlineĀ untouchable, unless an offer completely knocked my socks off. I feel like anyone trading me for Mahomes needs to overpay. Barring injury, he is the most valuable Dynasty asset for at least the foreseeableĀ future.
I know that owner pretty well, so it mightĀ be do-able. IMO the drop-off from Mahomes to Watson is largely psychological. Of course thereās risk that Watson goes to a terrible team, or holds out...
No. I don't see that.Would that tradeĀ offer be considered offensively low?Ā
I have tier 1 stopping at pick for tier ends at pick 7 pick 8 starts a very long and unorganized third tier for me at this point.ĀI'm glad you said this as I did not think it was that egregious either, more IMO what I would describe as aĀ little rich to pay for 1.1 then something really awful. I personally think a later first with Hopkins is just about right but at the moment I have a tier cutoff at 7 and while I know that may not hold I'm going to hold that line until it's not the case.
Of course, his value then will be a fraction of what it is today, possibly zero.I have Dalvin and Chubb in a zealots league. Chubb looks to be the slightly superior talent, but Dalvin is the man for Minn. Chubb is only 4 months younger, but much less wear. I will be looking to trade Dalvin the year he turns 29.
I doubt you're on an island in thinking Chubb is a better player than Cook.Ā I also doubt you're on an island in thinking that Chubb may be the best back in the league.I have Nick Chubb on one championship and two rebuilding Zealots leagues. I think he's a better back than Dalvin Cook and might even think he's the best back in the league.
But it appears I'm on an island with that. In the rebuilding leagues I know I wouldn't get what I'd expect to in ac trade return - a couple high picks/players.
Do people really fear Kareem Hunt stealing touches that much? I just think Hunt is inordinately productive for a #2 back and doesn't really take anything from Chubb.
So what is he worth in trade?
Yes, you know the old saying, "it's better to trade a player a year too early, than a year too late.".Ā Twenty-nine may be a year too late.Of course, his value then will be a fraction of what it is today, possibly zero.
The Bill Walsh school of football. Missed by a year on Montana, but it was the right move.ĀYes, you know the old saying, "it's better to trade a player a year too early, than a year too late.".Ā Twenty-nine may be a year too late.
If you are waiting until a RB is 29 to move him you are more then a year to late.Yes, you know the old saying, "it's better to trade a player a year too early, than a year too late.".Ā Twenty-nine may be a year too late.
I agree......most of the time.Ā The way things are looking lately, 26 is the new 30.If you are waiting until a RB is 29 to move him you are more then a year to late.
Iāve sent out feelers to moveĀ Henry. Based on responses, Iāll probably just keep him and hope to getĀ a few more years from him. Ā Nothing close to where I value him.ĀIf you are waiting until a RB is 29 to move him you are more then a year to late.
Someone else mentioned something like this a few weeks but I'm personally not much evidence of this with RB's.I agree......most of the time.Ā The way things are looking lately, 26 is the new 30.