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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (10 Viewers)
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Sabertooth
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Yaknow, Rudy, this is suggesting that there is evidence against Trump, it’s just that this is an argument which says that evidence should be thrown out because it was improperly gathered.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Sure, but the punishments for treason or seditious conspiracy under 18 USC Chap 115 are far more significant than any punishment for leaking.
And I'm not sure I grasp your argument here anyway. No matter how dumb anyone might be, if they have a problem they can solve by either making a phone call or by participating in an elaborate conspiracy that may or may not actually solve the problem, they're gonna make the phone call. Do you really think someone could be intelligent enough to function and still be dumb enough to choose the latter over the former?
packersfan
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The Trump argument is nuts, there is no evidence and Strzok manufactured all of it. 
Sabertooth
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Not sure who you think you are that I have to respond to you at all much less within a time limit? My initial post was a response to someone with similar views on the situation then I get the swarm of trolls coming after me. You are one of the many that have spent years venting about Trump with biased views I’m not interested in wasting time trying to convince otherwise. I have no desire wasting the time, but am just as entitled to post in here as the circus of hatred you all put on so just go ahead and move on. You regurgitate the same hate in a different thread on a regular basis, I don’t have the time in the day to argue with you and the 30 or so others that do the same. Have fun.
packersfan
Footballguy
Don't know. But it would appear a lot of new ones are joining the fray and they're definitely not pro-Trump.
"Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you *keep* it a *secret*! Why didn't you tell the world, EH?"
packersfan
Footballguy
Trumps: "There was a massive liberal conspiracy against Donald Trump during the campaign."The Trump argument is nuts, there is no evidence and Strzok manufactured all of it.
"Really? That sounds terrible and illegal. What did they do during the campaign to prevent him from winning?"
Trumps: "....... HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'd like to see Gohmert interview Trump - "When you looked into your wife's eyes while the wetnurse held newborn Baron Trump ....were you so smug?"
Weebs210
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Not sure these insults are what they want on this board. Attacks just cause I don’t want to engage the same daily runaround in here is sad.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Aaaaaaaaaaanyways......
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
But I'm not asking you to analyze him personally. I'm asking for a plausible explanation as to why ANY person in his position who has a certain goal in mind (in this case, taking down Donald Trump) would choose an elaborate deep state conspiracy that puts their freedom and maybe their life at risk to maybe accomplish the goal, instead of the telephone call to definitely accomplish the goal that at most maybe puts their job at risk. Do you honestly believe anyone would opt for the former over the latter?
Weebs210
Footballguy
Both options could potentially put his freedom and life at risk not just his job right? We aren't talking about anyone though. We are talking about someone dumb enough to make damning text messages on their FBI phone.
packersfan
Footballguy
Speaking of leaks the Trumps don't care about and FBI actions that absolutely impacted the election unlike anything Strzok did:
Natasha BertrandVerified account @NatashaBertrand 1h1 hour ago
Natasha Bertrand Retweeted Mayor Rudy Giuliani
Many complaining about Strzok's texts are noticeably silent about concerns expressed by various high-ranking DOJ & FBI officials in the run-up to the election that anti-Clinton animus in the NY field office may have impacted the course of the email probe
Natasha BertrandVerified account @NatashaBertrand 1h1 hour ago
Natasha Bertrand Retweeted Mayor Rudy Giuliani
Many complaining about Strzok's texts are noticeably silent about concerns expressed by various high-ranking DOJ & FBI officials in the run-up to the election that anti-Clinton animus in the NY field office may have impacted the course of the email probe
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Mario Kart
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That is not an insult at all. Allow me to explain: since the topic of the day is Strzok
Simple Minded conclusion = "He wrote something bad about Trump therefore he is biased."
Knowledgeable conclusion = "He wrote something bad about Trump but did that affect his job? There has been zero evidence that his job was affected nor was his work compromised due to his statement. Therefore, the conclusion may be that his personal opinions did not inhibit any professional responsibilities.
Other synonyms for "simple minded" are: ignorant, unsophisticated, impulsive, callow. Maybe you'd prefer me to use either of those?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
I guess insults are allowed since you are part of the regular extremists in here. You should be embarrassed, very immature all over politics.
moleculo
Footballguy
guyz, isn't it obvious? Because an FBI agent sent some text messages, we HAVE to ignore all of the findings of the Trump/Russia investigation. Manafort: free to go. Papadopolous: charges wiped. Flynn: free man. Trump Jr's meeting with Russian agents: we have to pretend that never happened. Fruit of the tainted tree!
moleculo
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
apalmer
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I don't believe leaking the existence of an FBI investigation is a criminal act, and I'm fairly certain it's not punishable by long-term imprisonment or even the death penalty as is the case with treason and seditious conspiracy under federal law. But feel free to correct me on either point.
We are talking about anyone, because Strozak is a subset of anyone and you said you can't read his mind. If you can come up with an explanation for this decision that could apply to anyone, then it would obviously apply to Strozak. Do you think being dumb enough to text your mistress on a government-issued phone also makes you dumb enough to decide to participate in an elaborate illegal conspiracy to possibly accomplish your goal instead of making a single phone call to almost definitely accomplish it? Is anyone that dumb, let alone anyone who knows the law and the penalties for each choice? Is there a possible explanation for making that seemingly irrational choice other than stupidity?
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apalmer
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"So, Mr. Giuliani, can you tell us how you felt about the heads of the five Mafia families in New York back in 1984? Did you personally feel they should be stopped? You did? Well, then your prosecution of them was certainly tainted. You're a disgrace."
timschochet
Footballguy
Moving on to the latest attack on the Mueller investigation: it’s sabotaging President Trunp’s effort to get along with Putin and Russia.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That foiled bomb plot is an actual thing that happened. I hate that Trump & Co. don't even understand their own conspiracy theory. Trump is arguing that this is a witch hunt, that he is - per his own lawyer - being framed. So yeah Strzok could have leaked info about the investigation. He did not. He could have leaked Trump's tax records. Did not. Could have leaked medical records. Did not. Could have leaked the Trump Tower meeting. Did not. You're actually making an argument why Strzok would never put his political beliefs into action by framing Trump because even if he was biased the penalties are so bad that he would never dare. And yet you point out his judgement was so bad (fair point, because yeah he did use his work phone) he must have done something. Like what?
Weebs210
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I just want to point out this is also a pretty fair representation of the actual argument from the administration.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I realize that, and it makes the whole Trump argument all the more senseless. It's honestly not on you, this is the administration: Strzok was biased and this bias tainted the investigation but the reason we do not know what he did to taint the investigation is because the penalties for doing so are so prohibitively great so he would have never leaked, yet his judgement was so bad that (like the 2013 foiled bomb leak) he could have still leaked nonetheless, and yet Trump is being framed in a corrupt witch hunt so anything that would have been leaked would not have been actual misdeeds but just invented claims, which would not be illegal in the first place because fake claims are not themselves classified. - This makes sense to you? It doesn't to me.
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moleculo
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great. Now we know that leaking to the press has is logical and historically plausible.
Now find one of an FBI agent pleading guilty to participating in a conspiracy to affect a national election.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
This is for leaking classified information. Is the mere existence of a law enforcement investigation considered "classified information"? I assume not, since the FBI told the media about the Clinton investigation with no legal repercussions, but I honestly don't know.
Maybe he did leak it ... to a responsible journalist whose editor wouldn’t let her run with an outlandish story from a single, unnamed, uncorroborated, off-the-record source. So it didn’t see the light of day.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
The biggest mystery of all is why some of the smartest posters on this board keep giving credibility to trolls by constantly engaging them.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I think it's fair to assume that if he had chosen to leak it he would have leaked it to a news organization with significant resources including law enforcement sources that it could devote to confirming/corroborating such a massive story, perhaps the scoop of the decade. Remember, the theory here is a deep state conspiracy, so any FBI agent who was a part of it would have faced the same no-brainer decision as Strozak if put in that position.
In addition if he did leak it then he needlessly committed perjury yesterday, again something no reasonable person and certainly nobody with a knowledge of the law would do considering what the alleged perjury accomplished (it's not like his argument got him off the hook with the committee).
Sorry, doesn't make any sense.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
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tommyGunZ
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Yeah, this is the giveaway that this has nothing to do with actual bias amongst FBI agents, and everything to do with protecting the GOP.
I’m trying to remember the sham hearings held by Democrats during the Bush years when they controlled the House that are even remotely similar to the Benghazi sham or this sham. I can’t come up with anything. Can any of you?
moleculo
Footballguy
The trump probe was considered a counter-intelligence operation - that's treated differently than a typical criminal probe.
Henry Ford
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Stop with the whining that anyone asking you to back up your claims is a troll. Your behavior has been far more trolling (throwing out baseless assertions then failing to back them up) than anyone asking you to respond.
