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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (14 Viewers)
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The Commish
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That's the old way of thought. Now if you're against Trump you are a "liberal" or a "democrat". It doesn't matter if you hold the conservative (traditional sense of the word here) ideas around deficits. You don't like that Trump is blowing them up? You're a democrat/liberal. It's all over these threads and being perpetuated by what used to be relatively normal posters who now appear to be off the rails.
BigJim®
Footballguy
You don't see the value in infiltrating bodies that offer significant exposure and access to a political party? I'm pretty confident I'm not interacting with anyone that would hand me a mic to ask a presidential candidate for his views on Russian sanctions.
Also, I'm curious on your angle that she's a lobbyist. For whom? A Russian agent has an interest in gun rights for Americans?
ren hoek
Footballguy
If there's some inordinate crime against the US she committed that wouldn't have otherwise been permissible had she simply notified the AG of it, that warrants being held in solitary confinement and having her life destroyed in Western media, as if Jeff Sessions was a reliable last line of defense against inappropriate lobbying in this country, I'd sure love to know what it was. Just the latest casualty in order that people may continue holding on to a conspiracy theory.
Ren is right though. There is a conspiracy here. Unfortunately, for him, Butina is the one that just plead guilty to a conspiracy :
The plea agreement states that Butina "agreed and conspired, with a Russian government official ('Russian Official') and at least one other person, for Butina to act in the United States under the direction of Russian Official without prior notification to the Attorney General," according to ABC and CNN.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/11/maria-butina-spy-plea-deal-conspiracy/2274643002/
The Commish
Footballguy
Hate to be the wet blanket on a good rant, but she plead guilty to conspiracy
Even by the loosist of definitions it can't really be considered a theory in this context any longer.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
She’s not in solitary because of the charge, she’s in solitary aka protective custody because being in general population could be dangerous to her health.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Dickies
Footballguy
Remember when Republicans acted concerned about enforcing law and order? Seems they only care about crimes if they are committed by minorities.
Defrauding US taxpayers of $400M+ would have toppled any other administration in the history of the country, but it just gets buried in an endless pile of scandals. WTF qualifies as a crime to these people? A former potential client of mine (who I chose not to work with because he seemed sketchy) is sitting in jail for 20 years after being convicted of wire fraud and money laundering. The money involved in his case was in the low single digit millions. Guys like Manafort are surely moving way bigger sums of money and dealing with shadier characters, but we're concerned about "ruining lives". This from the guy who has built an empire on scamming people, whether it's high-end condo purchasers or lower-middle class folks thinking they are attending a university to learn about real estate. Sickening.
Defrauding US taxpayers of $400M+ would have toppled any other administration in the history of the country, but it just gets buried in an endless pile of scandals. WTF qualifies as a crime to these people? A former potential client of mine (who I chose not to work with because he seemed sketchy) is sitting in jail for 20 years after being convicted of wire fraud and money laundering. The money involved in his case was in the low single digit millions. Guys like Manafort are surely moving way bigger sums of money and dealing with shadier characters, but we're concerned about "ruining lives". This from the guy who has built an empire on scamming people, whether it's high-end condo purchasers or lower-middle class folks thinking they are attending a university to learn about real estate. Sickening.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Trump sympathizer sides with accused Russian spy, calls himself a "patriot". Can't make this up. That's how far Trump supporters have fallen.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Strange how suddenly people who supported "respect the rule of law" are now questioning how suspected criminals are treated. I wonder if this concern has also been applied to the treatment of minorities or innocent immigrants trying to legally enter our country.
whoknew
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Eh, she's going back to Russia ultimately. It's a problem for her but also Putin. She can get the Anna Chapman treatment or get shoved into a suite at the Dzerzhinsky Bed & Breakfast.I see where Ren is getting his idea that she's being tortured. Straight from Putin's mouth.
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#Russia's state TV program argues that Maria Butina "has no plans to slander Moscow - or herself," but lays the groundwork for the worst case scenario by claiming that she is being tortured in U.S. custody.
That one guy
Footballguy
Foreign migrants seeking asylum: there is a process! We have rules and laws that you must follow, stay away and jump through all the hoops from your country first!
Foreign unregistered lobbyist attempting and gaining influence within our electorate: you know, I’m just glad you’ve taken an interest in our ways and are trying to make things more in line with whoever you’re assisting. Good on you, can’t believe those nasty federal agents are getting all red tapey on you about this
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VOTER FRAUD BY CRIMINALLY DISEASED ILLEGALS TAKING YOUR GUNS!!!
Foreign unregistered lobbyist attempting and gaining influence within our electorate: you know, I’m just glad you’ve taken an interest in our ways and are trying to make things more in line with whoever you’re assisting. Good on you, can’t believe those nasty federal agents are getting all red tapey on you about this
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VOTER FRAUD BY CRIMINALLY DISEASED ILLEGALS TAKING YOUR GUNS!!!
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Huh.
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ren hoek
Footballguy
https://ccrjustice.org/home/get-involved/tools-resources/fact-sheets-and-faqs/torture-use-solitary-confinement-us-prisonsI see where Ren is getting his idea that she's being tortured. Straight from Putin's mouth.
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#Russia's state TV program argues that Maria Butina "has no plans to slander Moscow - or herself," but lays the groundwork for the worst case scenario by claiming that she is being tortured in U.S. custody.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/02/solitary-confinement-isnt-punishment-its-torture
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/almost-addicted/201801/solitary-confinement-torture-pure-and-simple
https://www.theweek.com/articles/801168/solitary-confinement-torture
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/03/30/hellhole
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/solitary-confinement-is-torture-will-the-bureau-of-prisons-finally-stop-using-it/2017/07/15/f719de20-68c6-11e7-8eb5-cbccc2e7bfbf_story.html
https://www.insidescience.org/news/solitary-confinement-form-torture
Straight from putin's mouth, wow you've really cracked the case dude.
I wish other people on this board would call out this bull####. Ridiculous that this sort of smear tactic has been normalized now.
For years big business Republicans have sold the culture war to recruit rubes into voting for them since there are not enough rich people to win elections. Now the rubes are all that are left, which also explains the low quality of the congressman, the people they conned into becoming true-believers are now the ones running for office. They don't actually know or believe anything, and can change their opinions on a dime depending on what they are told to believe.
https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/809069737879674888
I don't know who this guy is, but it has the graph I was trying to find. Republicans are now pro-Putin because they were told to be.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Dude, you realize she has professional legal defense provided by the Russian MFA?
- Look at their avatar.
- She's not like some poor single mother who is getting jammed by the local rural sheriff on drug possession.
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
Reagan's rolling in his grave. The GOP is in bed with a Soviet hard-liner and alleged Russian spies are worthy of sympathy. But they're patriots and love America!
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[scooter]
Footballguy
"Reporter #3" is believed to be his ex-girlfriend, NY Times reporter Ali Watkins.
Now, back to real news:
Carrie JohnsonVerified account @johnson_carrie
Flynn met with prosecutors 19 times over 62 hours, and turned over “sweeping categories” of documents held by his two companies plus electronic devices, lawyers said.
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Just in: Michael Flynn asks for probation not to exceed one year with minimal conditions of supervision and 200 hrs community service bc he accepted responsibility and cooperated extensively. Court filing includes references from multiple retired military incl General Jack Keane.
Carrie JohnsonVerified account @johnson_carrie
Flynn met with prosecutors 19 times over 62 hours, and turned over “sweeping categories” of documents held by his two companies plus electronic devices, lawyers said.
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Carrie JohnsonVerified account @johnson_carrie 21m21 minutes ago
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Just in: Michael Flynn asks for probation not to exceed one year with minimal conditions of supervision and 200 hrs community service bc he accepted responsibility and cooperated extensively. Court filing includes references from multiple retired military incl General Jack Keane.
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BigJim®
Footballguy
Yeah, I need someone to circulate the new Republican platform. Near as I can tell it is:
1. Immigrants pose a significant security threat*
* Unless they are admitted agents of an adversarial government seeking to infiltrate the highest level of our party to further Russian interests - they're ok and should be victimized/justified because otherwise we'd look really really dumb.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
adonis
Footballguy
Serious question: do you really care, or are you just looking for a way to minimize her criminality to justify your political perspective?
Banger
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mr roboto
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Manafort's lawyers delayed his opposition to the Feds' sentencing into January today.
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Snorkelson
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What really gets me is the total 180 the gop will do on someone. When mueller was announced SC it was nothing but good- he’s professional, he’s unbiased, right guy for the job. Now he’s running a biased witch hunt for the democrats. Michael Flynn was a great guy and it’s too bad what they’re doing to him- now he’s a liar. Cohen was trumps personal lawyer....that he barely knew and he’s also a liar and a terrible lawyer. Russians are bad in the 80s, now they’re just another country looking to do business. People from the Middle East are not to be trusted, in fact we shouldn’t even let them come here at all, so let’s make a travel ban, but one guy who is actually responsible for ordering a murder is ok- because he’s an ally (or perhaps the trump family has other factors in mind.) And people just nod and go forward.
Snorkelson
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Double post
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
Well sure she's accused of, and pleading guilty to, being a Russian spy. But that's only because the US intelligence community is corrupt and can't be trusted. Plus they treat her mean.
timschochet
Footballguy
At least one of these will soon be a former Republican lawmaker. I am so happy about that.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
who cares if they even get him, if he is an innocent man. we dont need to repeat the kenneth starr crap ever again.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I agree but is has been 2 years and a crap ton of resources and money so if he is guilty of something he should be ousted now.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
the resources are not a concern. it's a talking point. it is always part of an investigation or litigation.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
It's a complicated operation because Trump has entanglements dating back a long time. And I bet there isn't as much of a paper trail as we'd normally see because Don can't read and write very well (plus written instructions imply a commitment to an action and a loss of deniability -- I used to work for a guy very much like this in nature). So investigators have to find the cash transfers and then dig into the underlying reasons for them.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
The civil forfeitures and fines have paid for it. It took more than twice this much time to determine Clinton committed perjury.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Maybe we can pin a one post thread at the top of the forum for every time someone wants to end the investigation "because it is taking too long and if he's guilty he should be charged".
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Isn't the claim that she's being held in solitary for her protection rather than as punishment?
I agree that it's an excessive form of punishment and I hope the government isn't using it as such. That said, I tend to give a lot more credence to people who consistently rail against the excesses and injustices in law enforcement when they're perpetrated against the poor, minorities, etc. We talk about that kind of stuff all the time around here and I don't recall ever hearing from you in those conversations
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
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