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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (2 Viewers)

I disagree. They will keep their "no brown people" policy, forever.
Right, I get the racial divide and recognize that remains a conservative problem and is unlikely to change. But will the who cares about Russia interference, and protection of Turkey/Saudi Arabia, etc. extend beyond the days when our president stood to gain financially from those stances? I've seen some on this board embracing pro-Russia as an ok thing, as if Trump's own self interest in that topic is secondary. You only get to witch hunt mindset if you don't think the Russian intrusion is worth caring about.  

 
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Ex-fed prosecutor Dan Goldman said he's beginning to believe conspiracy with Russian interference is not the most serious crime Mueller is investigating.

"There may have been a much larger conspiracy to provide sanctions relief to Russia" for assistance.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-russia-what-expect-mueller-2019-n949281
You don't have to be an ex-fed to know that the Trump team's official* story is that they met with a Russian who was later implicated in a KGB recruiting scandal in Europe and has said she was an agent of the Russian government to discuss dirt on Hilary Clinton and during the meeting they discussed Russian adoptions. The KGB recruiter was a well-known lobbyist against the Magnitsky Act. Russia retaliated against those sanctions by...curtailing adoptions. (I guess I shouldn't also point out that Trump tweeted about how Russia should wait until he was in charge to respond to Obama's sanctions that attempted to punish them for interfering with our election. Probably unrelated.)

I mean, Trump and his guys have also admitted they lied their asses off before they told that version of events. 

I won't even mention that one of the organizers and attendees of that meeting forwarded an email with a CNN report about the DNC hacks to some of the other attendees of the meeting where he said it was "eerily weird" considering what they'd talked about at the meeting with the Trump people.

Trump is basically OJ, he just released his "If I did it" a little too soon. 

*Yes, it's their official story. "We discussed dirt on Hilary and Russian sanctions with a Russian government agent" is Trump's official story. That he dictated and then lied about dictating. I'm sure that NBC News analyst is a nice guy, but we've known all of this for over a year. 

 
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Also, according to another Russian news agency, “Whelan was arrested five minutes after receiving a USB stick containing a list of all the employees at a classified security agency.”

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Paul Whelan's lawyer tells NYT he hopes he can be part of a prisoner exchange with the US (!)
this is all smelling like a big setup to allow Butina to slink away and be murdered so as not to expose the top ranks of the Republican's who were involved with her and used her to receive nice PAC / campaign funding....

 
Yup. Putin helping out his son.
all too convenient, public and obvious....Trump hasn't said a word...how long until he announces a prisoner xchange via twitter?  You think the R's are going to object?  they'll pack her bags...you can see it coming...

 
right on cue...

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Did Trump and Putin swing a deal to scoop up a random knucklehead as a pretext for shipping Maria Butina out of the country before she could cooperate?

 
all too convenient, public and obvious....Trump hasn't said a word...how long until he announces a prisoner xchange via twitter?  You think the R's are going to object?  they'll pack her bags...you can see it coming...
Mueller and his ANGRY democrats are treating the lovely Maria Butina VERY unfairly.  She did nothing wrong and just wants to go home to Russia.  I have issued an executive order making that happen.  In fact she is already on a jet plane.  I don't know when she'll be back again...   1/2

... Also, and totally separately, I spoke with Putin this morning and DEMANDED that Russia release Paul Whelan.  I told him that if Russia messed with the Bull, they will get the horns!  Putin is a smart man, he agreed to send Whelan home tonight. #MAGA  #nopuppet  #nocollusion   2/2

 
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Paul Whelan's lawyer tells NYT he hopes he can be part of a prisoner exchange with the US (!)
Let this guy rot imo. But I think this is 100% artificial.

 
 Mueller and his ANGRY democrats are treating the lovely Maria Butina VERY unfairly.  She did nothing wrong and just wants to go home to Russia.  I have issued an executive order making that happen.  In fact she is already on a jet plane.  I don't know when she'll be back again...   1/2

 ... Also, and totally separately, I spoke with Putin this morning and DEMANDED that Russia release Paul Whelan.  I told him that if Russia messed with the Bull, they will get the horns!  Putin is a smart man, he agreed to send Whelan home tonight. #MAGA  #nopuppet  #nocollusion   2/2

  
Dude, you had me until the jet plane stuff :lmao:

 
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True -- but as I said before the FBI collected a lot of intel on Butina and her contacts (inc possibly via FISA surveillance) before she was arrested...I suspect they have a lot to go on without her. And Trump can't trade Americans once they're arrested soooo

didn't realize this...

 
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True -- but as I said before the FBI collected a lot of intel on Butina and her contacts (inc possibly via FISA surveillance) before she was arrested...I suspect they have a lot to go on without her. And Trump can't trade Americans once they're arrested soooo

didn't realize this...
Apparently a lot of people found that part confusing:

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I'm not sure why this is confusing people -- I said Trump can't trade *Americans* once they are arrested. Because they are American citizens and live here. So if NRA or GOP folks get arrested as a result of what FBI has uncovered thru Butina inv, they are stuck.

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Who would he trade Americans to? They're citizens here. Butina will traded to Russia because she's a Russian national.

 
Apparently a lot of people found that part confusing:

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I'm not sure why this is confusing people -- I said Trump can't trade *Americans* once they are arrested. Because they are American citizens and live here. So if NRA or GOP folks get arrested as a result of what FBI has uncovered thru Butina inv, they are stuck.

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Who would he trade Americans to? They're citizens here. Butina will traded to Russia because she's a Russian national.
ok....thanks...get it now but that wasn't clear to me.

 
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True -- but as I said before the FBI collected a lot of intel on Butina and her contacts (inc possibly via FISA surveillance) before she was arrested...I suspect they have a lot to go on without her. And Trump can't trade Americans once they're arrested soooo

didn't realize this...
omg, he'd have to pardon her first?

 
Mueller and his ANGRY democrats are treating the lovely Maria Butina VERY unfairly.  She did nothing wrong and just wants to go home to Russia.  I have issued an executive order making that happen.  In fact she is already on a jet plane.  I don't know when she'll be back again...   1/2

... Also, and totally separately, I spoke with Putin this morning and DEMANDED that Russia release Paul Whelan.  I told him that if Russia messed with the Bull, they will get the horns!  Putin is a smart man, he agreed to send Whelan home tonight. #MAGA  #nopuppet  #nocollusion   2/2
Collusion spelled correcty. No random capitalization. No way he quotes John Denver

Weak effort.2/10

 
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I don't know the details, but I just got off the phone with my dad, who is retired Navy, and he is really mad they* keep referring to Whelan as a "retired marine" as, according to my dad, Whelan was discharged for bad conduct, including theft...

Let that ####er rot in Russia, imo

"They = media

 
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Paul Whelan's arrest may be retaliation for Butina, but no way it's a scheme to get her back in a spy-swap. By her sentencing date she'll have already served more than the 6-month maximum contemplated by her plea agreement. She's looking at time-served and a plane ticket home.

 
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Paul Whelan's arrest may be retaliation for Butina, but no way it's a scheme to get her back in a spy-swap. By her sentencing date she'll have already served more than the 6-month maximum contemplated by her plea agreement. She's looking at time-served and a plane ticket home.
Does she get a plane ticket "home" or just a ticket out of the US? Putin may have an interest in making sure that ticket is to Russia, whether she wants to go there or not.

 
Why did Trump endorse old Soviet talking points on Afghanistan?...But there’s one angle to this that lingered in my mind: where, exactly, did Trump get this bogus history lesson?

...It sure would be nice to know who played the role of history teacher for the confused American president.

Maybe Trump just made it up, which is possible given his over-active imagination and his capacity for concocting all kinds of strange beliefs, though the level of specificity suggests someone actually told him a story.

It seems unlikely Trump read it somewhere, since he’s not much of a reader, and it’s implausible to think he’d deliberately brush up on Middle East history from the 1970s. It seems even less likely that he heard this from someone on his staff, since the president’s aides generally don’t encourage him to believe Soviet propaganda. He probably didn’t get this from conservative media, since Fox News doesn’t devote much airtime to covering Soviet foreign policy from the Carter era.

So who put this nonsense in Trump’s head? The Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler asked, “Is it possible that Trump’s remarks on Afghanistan … reflect a conversation he had with Putin?”

That need not be a rhetorical question.

Postscript: Jon Chait added yesterday, “Meanwhile, the Russian government is moving an official resolution defending the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. (The approval is scheduled to take place next month.) Russians have previously called the invasion a tragic error, but Vladimir Putin’s regime — which regards the collapse of the Soviet Union as a world-historical tragedy — is systematically rehabilitating various Soviet crimes.”
Maddow made these points tonight, that Trump has previously made bizarre policy claims - they were not liberal, not conservative, not socialist nor even nationalist policy positions found anywhere in the US on three occasions now:

  • Supposed Polish hostility on the Belarus border.
  • The claim that Montenegro was an aggressive nation which might start WW3.
  • And now that the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan was justified and "right." - It turns out that the Putinist Duma in conjunction with the communists are set to approve a resolution stating just that, something which few if any in the US had noticed.
Eta - Maddow piece here.

Summary here.

 
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This Whelan thing is uber-bizarre. His sketchy past, the lack of comment by the White House, the stance of "prisoner exchange" by his lawyer... Nothing at all seems to add up here.

 
Umm...This is something:

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#BREAKING Germany faces the biggest hacker attack in its history. Private data of almost 1000 German #Bundestag, #Regional Parliament & #EU delegates was leaked. I worked through the leaked data all night. It's shocking! Not affected so far: #AfD. (link: https://www.bild.de/politik/inland/politik-inland/hacker-angriff-daten-von-politikern-gestohlen-und-veroeffentlicht-59349480.bild.html) bild.de/politik/inland… #BTleaks
It’s more than something.  It’s probably the biggest data breach and release in the history of the internet.  And every scrap of data is mirrored and re-mirrored and basically every precaution has been taken to make sure it cannot be effectively removed from the internet.  

 
Yeah, why travel to Russia to drop off a USB stick? Just convert the files to an encrypted .zip file and upload it to Piratebay.
I once had to respond to a state of MN RFP by hand delivering a USB or CD in an envelope. No printed replies accepted. Also could not mail it.

When I went to actual meeting after they accepted my bid, the team all had printed out copies in front of them. USB was nowhere to be found.

People are dumb

 
Even the WSJ is going after him for this one;

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-cracked-afghan-history-11546560234

“We cannot recall a more absurd misstatement of history by an American President,”
I would be ok if it was a "misstatement"

It was deliberate propaganda straight out of Putin's mouth.

Since I am not an elected official:  Impeach the Mother####er 

Seriously though - this should be much bigger news than it is.   Our President is literally picking up his talking points from the Kremlin.  

 
I would be ok if it was a "misstatement"

It was deliberate propaganda straight out of Putin's mouth.

Since I am not an elected official:  Impeach the Mother####er 

Seriously though - this should be much bigger news than it is.   Our President is literally picking up his talking points from the Kremlin.  
A "misstatement" can be intentional or unintentional.   With a little more context, I don't think they were suggesting that it was in any way unintentional;

"As reprehensible was Mr. Trump's utterly false narrative of the Soviet Union's involvement there in the 1980s. He said: "The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there."

Right to be there? We cannot recall a more absurd misstatement of history by an American President. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan with three divisions in December 1979 to prop up a fellow communist government."

 
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Next week, I expect Mueller to make a huge move. Trump is getting way too crazy and power hungry lately. Expect Don Jr to be indicted.

 
Next week, I expect Mueller to make a huge move. Trump is getting way too crazy and power hungry lately. Expect Don Jr to be indicted.
My opinion is that Mueller knows going after a relative of Trump will really be like hitting the nuclear button, so he's going to save anything like that until right before the end.  Otherwise he's putting the work of the whole group into jeopardy earlier than necessary.  None of us know when the end is, but my guess is that if Junior, Jared, or Ivanka get dinged, we know the endgame is near.  (Insert Avengers reference here.)

 

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